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I've seen camera examples from the n5 which look great but mine look grainy..any ideas what settings do people use
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Try compare the exif info.
P.s. it is not a problem of setting, it just if you know some basic photography techniques.
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sorry, i got to laugh first.. lmao!
settings could be different for every single photo.
and @DummyPLUG said it right, its about learning some basic photography skills, and knowing some basic physics about light helps. one thing is for sure though, dont just press the button. touch the screen first, where you want it focused. point and click, youll get better looking photos as well.
Enable HDR.
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Enable HDR.
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why? i refuse to use it. photos that come out of hdr do look nice, but also lose out on a lot of detail, as tbe image size is also reduced.
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it is not a problem of setting, it just if you know some basic photography techniques.
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settings could be different for every single photo.
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Enable HDR.
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and this, where ever possible.
see, i dont agree to enable hdr whenever possible. sure, overall images seem to look better. but you lose so much detail by using it. if detail is important to you, like the detail in my photos to me, than its the worst thing to do. as i can get a better looking "hdr" images by editing the photo after, than the hdr camera can capture.
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why? i refuse to use it. photos that come out of hdr do look nice, but also lose out on a lot of detail, as tbe image size is also reduced.
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To me, HDR + gives a truer account of the actual light conditions in front of the lens and also better pictures in lower light.
My HDR pictures are bigger. Just done a low light test. 800KB vs 1.2MB
Edit, oh maybe you mean resolution?
5992704 vs 583680 in my tests. 6mpx vs 5.8 - not a lot of detail really.
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To me, HDR + gives a truer account of the actual light conditions in front of the lens and also better pictures in lower light.
My HDR pictures are bigger. Just done a low light test. 800KB vs 1.2MB
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that's a 33.33% reduction in size. not counting the hdr effect which ruins the actual detail(zoom all the way in to look).
instead, id say use touch to focus whenever possible. as just pressing the button will give you an average focus over the whole image. but touch to focus will give you detail where you need it.
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that's a 30% reduction in size.
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Sorry, i though you were saying a smaller file size is a BAD thing. Im confused, are you now saying its BETTER?
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Sorry, i though you were saying a smaller file size is a BAD thing. Im confused, are you now saying its BETTER?
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wait, your saying the hdr photo is larger or smaller. to me it sounded like you said smaller.
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wait, your saying the hdr photo is larger or smaller. to me it sounded like you said smaller.
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Even though I used the word bigger?
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Even though I used the word bigger?
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the way you wrote the photo size.. but i just checked as well, pixel size is smaller in an hdr photo, not mb in the file size.
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the way you wrote the photo size.. but i just checked as well, pixel size is smaller in an hdr photo, not mb in the file size.
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To me, HDR+ looks sharper too.
I'd upload a couple of examples, but they get compressed on TT or Photobucket. Maybe G+ doesn't compress? That said, I don't like using my real name in forums so... hahah
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To me, HDR+ looks sharper too.
I'd upload a couple of examples, but they get compressed on TT or Photobucket. Maybe G+ doesn't compress? That said, I don't like using my real name in forums so... hahah
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na, g+ does as well.
i guess if you dont have much photography knowledge, then hdr+ might be good to use Lp
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na, g+ does as well.
i guess if you dont have much photography knowledge, then hdr+ might be good to use Lp
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Well HDR+ is designed to give more detail where a normal camera would lose in dark and light areas. To me the results are better on a phone where you cannot adjust the shutter speed, iso or aperture.
I think its very unfair to link the use of HDR+ to photography knowledge. Its about the result. I myself am a keen amateur photographer and understand photography principles well, but it doesn't change the fact that HDR+ gets more information on a point and shoot than without.
I guess its slightly subjective as to whether you like your photos accurate or not. But technically, HDR + is better
Edit.. For those who don't know what we're debating, here's a link
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-dynamic-range_imaging
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Well HDR+ is designed to give more detail where a normal camera would lose in dark and light areas. To me the results are better on a phone where you cannot adjust the shutter speed, iso or aperture.
I think its very unfair to link the use of HDR+ to photography knowledge. Its about the result. I myself am a keen amateur photographer and understand photography principles well, but it doesn't change the fact that HDR+ gets more information on a point and shoot than without.
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well.. detail. hdr does make darker areas lighter, as thats why i do make many images hdr like, or faux hdr. from that point of view, sure, details get somewhat better. well, not better but you can see the details better. but on another hand, when you look at the details when you zoom in, the tiny details, they are worse. but thats just because of the nature of hdr on mobile, on taking several images and meshing them together. in my photography, those tiny details are very important, since many of my photos are macro-like, and focus on a specific point while everything else blurs. using hdr+, it tends to not catch the fine details.
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well.. detail. hdr does make darker areas lighter, as thats why i do make many images hdr like, or faux hdr. from that point of view, sure, details get somewhat better. well, not better but you can see the details better. but on another hand, when you look at the details when you zoom in, the tiny details, they are worse. but thats just because of the nature of hdr on mobile, on taking several images and meshing them together. in my photography, those tiny details are very important, since many of my photos are macro-like, and focus on a specific point while everything else blurs. using hdr+, it tends to not catch the fine details.
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Well macro is a different kettle of fish. I use a completely different set up for macro, ie not a phone
To me a phone is for snaps. I find HDR+ gives a better snap
Anyways, whatever. Use it, don't. The op has enough info to decide now
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Well macro is a different kettle of fish. I use a completely different set up for macro, ie not a phone
To me a phone is for snaps. I find HDR+ gives a better snap
Anyways, whatever. Use it, don't. The op has enough info to decide now
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or use it in certain types of shots. anyways, its a personal preference. and absolutely!
@rootSU @simms22 people never understand this.
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HDR = High Dynamic Range, multiple (doesn't matter how many) pictures taken at different exposures and put together so you get everything exposed and nothing over/under-exposed.
HDR+ = Google's random magic algorithm for scene recognition, saturation fixing and contrast fixing, done with multiple (I think 2) images. Quoting Google; “With HDR+, create vivid photos by day and sharper photos by night.”
What Google calls "HDR+" only exists on the Nexus 5.
See this image: http://images.fonearena.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/htc-one-hdr-vs-nexus-5-hdr-plus.jpg
As you can see, the HDR image doesn't have anything over/under-exposed whereas the HDR+ image has it's subject underexposed.
HDR is NOT the same as HDR+.
Edit: also have to add that "HDR+" is limited to the Google Camera. If you download a 3rd party camera app to use on the Nexus 5 and it has a "HDR mode", it'll be actual HDR, rather than what Google calls "HDR+".
I'm pretty sure the algorithm for "HDR+" is closed source but its definitely not real High Dynamic Range.
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Someone posted this about the Z2 and why you need to root it in order to get the best camera resolution:
Basically it gives you the option to do things you normally couldn't. Install custom software. Delete apps that normally can't be deleted. Modifications to things like camera (eg the phone currently only uses 8mp in superior auto, but the mod allows it to use 20mp in superior) all kinds of tweaks and stuff that without root access, you wouldn't be able to install.
So does anyone know if the Z3 will have this issue resolved or will you still need to root it in order to get 20MP in Superior Auto Mode? I think it's so stupid that you have to root it in order to get that. It should be a choice, not forced. Hopefully it won't need to be.
Any info would be appreciated.
Thank You,
RockStar2005
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Someone posted this about the Z2 and why you need to root it in order to get the best camera resolution:
Basically it gives you the option to do things you normally couldn't. Install custom software. Delete apps that normally can't be deleted. Modifications to things like camera (eg the phone currently only uses 8mp in superior auto, but the mod allows it to use 20mp in superior) all kinds of tweaks and stuff that without root access, you wouldn't be able to install.
So does anyone know if the Z3 will have this issue resolved or will you still need to root it in order to get 20MP in Superior Auto Mode? I think it's so stupid that you have to root it in order to get that. It should be a choice, not forced. Hopefully it won't need to be.
Any info would be appreciated.
Thank You,
RockStar2005
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Yes. because 20/21MP is standard on 4:3 aspect ratio.
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Yes. because 20/21MP is standard on 4:3 aspect ratio.
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Hey Electrash,
Sorry, did you mean yes it's been resolved on the Z3 or yes the Z3 will still need to be rooted in order to get 20/21MPs in Superior Auto Mode?
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RockStar2005
Yes, you will need root to use 20.7 in SA.
But why do you need it, you need to have screen like cinema paper to watch 20.7 mp in native size.
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Yes, you will need root to use 20.7 in SA.
But why do you need it, you need to have screen like cinema paper to watch 20.7 mp in native size.
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Ugghh ok. lol Thanks Electrash!
I just want the best. lol
Well when I transfer those pics to my pc and view them, I would think the difference would be noticeable? I mean 8 vs 20.7 sounds like a huge difference to me, even if both are still Sony-based. It's not quite cinema size, but my PC screen (21") is still much bigger than any phone screen I'll ever have.
What u guys think?
RockStar2005
http://web.forret.com/tools/megapixel.asp?width=5400&height=3600
Check this site 75inch*50inch is size of native picture at 19.4MP.
Also I doubt that you have 5600*3600 screen resolution, that means half of this pixels won't even be shown, unless you zoom in a lot.
But again, who takes picture to zoom like telescope.
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http://web.forret.com/tools/megapixel.asp?width=5400&height=3600
Check this site 75inch*50inch is size of native picture at 19.4MP.
Also I doubt that you have 5600*3600 screen resolution, that means half of this pixels won't even be shown, unless you zoom in a lot.
But again, who takes picture to zoom like telescope.
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Ok took a look at it. Thank you.
Well that's the thing....... I wouldn't say I zoom in a lot, but sometimes I do. It's just nice to know that when I do, the sharpness won't fade away.
So you think the quality of Superior Auto Mode at 8MPs will still be really nice? I just don't get why they can't let ppl choose for themselves? I hate being forced to choose stuff. That's one of the main reasons why I stick with Android over like Apple is b/c of the choice, the freedom. If I got it I may root it, or not. Who knows.
RockStar2005
8MP is more then enough for everything that we "little" people want to do with pictures. Trust me, I was against that, but since I research a lot, I found out that I don't need more then 8MP.
In my situation, I have 15.6inch HD screen. That means even 2MP are enough to be shown in native size, everything beyond that is for sharpness.
Why they don't let you choose, well I don't know, but I heard that SA downscale 20mp in 8MP for better image. But don't use this as true because I didn't search for this one.
Take a research if that is true, and then try to research how downscale makes photo.
(lumia 1020 Downscale her 41mp to around 15 as I remember)
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8MP is more then enough for everything that we "little" people want to do with pictures. Trust me, I was against that, but since I research a lot, I found out that I don't need more then 8MP.
In my situation, I have 15.6inch HD screen. That means even 2MP are enough to be shown in native size, everything beyond that is for sharpness.
Why they don't let you choose, well I don't know, but I heard that SA downscale 20mp in 8MP for better image. But don't use this as true because I didn't search for this one.
Take a research if that is true, and then try to research how downscale makes photo.
(lumia 1020 Downscale her 41mp to around 15 as I remember)
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lol I dunno....... I have a Sony camera, 16.2 megapixels.......... and it's a fantastic camera! Carl Zeiss lens and everything! So I am picky about that stuff.
How does downscaling a 20MP pic to 8MPs make it better?
I actually tested the Nokia Lumia 1020 this past week for a phone survey/focus group I'm doing. It wasn't a bad phone really, but 41MP camera? It's a joke man. The pics came out like nothing special at all. Obviously when it comes to cameras, there's a lot more than just MPs at play (focus, light sensitivity, flash, etc). But Sony knows that and incorporates a great deal of that knowledge into their cameras and phone cameras too. I'm not surprised you said 41 to 15MPs for the Lumia, because I swear, the pics I took on the 1020 LOOKED like they were not even 15MPs. I don't get why they advertise 40MPs if it gets downscaled? At least with the Z3 you can get 20.7MPs if you use normal mode. I just don't know man. We'll see what happens.
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lol I dunno....... I have a Sony camera, 16.2 megapixels.......... and it's a fantastic camera! Carl Zeiss lens and everything! So I am picky about that stuff.
How does downscaling a 20MP pic to 8MPs make it better?
I actually tested the Nokia Lumia 1020 this past week for a phone survey/focus group I'm doing. It wasn't a bad phone really, but 41MP camera? It's a joke man. The pics came out like nothing special at all. Obviously when it comes to cameras, there's a lot more than just MPs at play (focus, light sensitivity, flash, etc). But Sony knows that and incorporates a great deal of that knowledge into their cameras and phone cameras too. I'm not surprised you said 41 to 15MPs for the Lumia, because I swear, the pics I took on the 1020 LOOKED like they were not even 15MPs. I don't get why they advertise 40MPs if it gets downscaled? At least with the Z3 you can get 20.7MPs if you use normal mode. I just don't know man. We'll see what happens.
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Even worst, 1020 take pictures in 5MP in their "Superior Auto"
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Even worst, 1020 take pictures in 5MP in their "Superior Auto"
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OMG really? That's awful!! lol
Let me know about your answer too: How does downscaling a 20MP pic to 8MPs make it better?
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Even worst, 1020 take pictures in 5MP in their "Superior Auto"
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Electrash.........I think I got my answer:
Saw this review on the Z3. Some interesting things on the camera on page 3. Sample pics at bottom look pretty sharp to me, even when zoomed in: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Review_id3795/page/3
The Sony Xperia Z3's camera user interface is mostly easy to use, especially when you're sticking with Sony's Superior Auto mode, which attempts to automatically pick the best settings for you, depending on the scene you're trying to photograph, and tends to be pretty accurate most of the time. By default, the Sony Xperia Z3's Superior Auto mode shoots at 8 MP. It does use the full resolution of the 20 MP sensor, but scales the pictures down - this way, the user ends up with high-quality 8 MP photos of 'easy-to-share' size that don't exhibit less visible artifacts when viewed in actual size.
We were, frankly, surprised to see how natural the color representation of images taken with the Sony Xperia Z3 is. Sony usually boosts the color saturation and contrast a bit (or a lot), resulting in flashy hues, which are not representing the scene in front of the lens in a completely credible manner. With the Z3, however, Sony tweaked takes a what-you-see-is-what-you-get approach, producing natural colors. The automatic white balance measurements are valid with most every shot, leaving no weird overcasts in the scene. Last, but not least, the phone is able to grab a fine amount of detail..
Feel free to read the whole 4 page review if you like: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Review_id3795
RockStar2005
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Electrash.........I think I got my answer:
Saw this review on the Z3. Some interesting things on the camera on page 3. Sample pics at bottom look pretty sharp to me, even when zoomed in: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Review_id3795/page/3
The Sony Xperia Z3's camera user interface is mostly easy to use, especially when you're sticking with Sony's Superior Auto mode, which attempts to automatically pick the best settings for you, depending on the scene you're trying to photograph, and tends to be pretty accurate most of the time. By default, the Sony Xperia Z3's Superior Auto mode shoots at 8 MP. It does use the full resolution of the 20 MP sensor, but scales the pictures down - this way, the user ends up with high-quality 8 MP photos of 'easy-to-share' size that don't exhibit less visible artifacts when viewed in actual size.
We were, frankly, surprised to see how natural the color representation of images taken with the Sony Xperia Z3 is. Sony usually boosts the color saturation and contrast a bit (or a lot), resulting in flashy hues, which are not representing the scene in front of the lens in a completely credible manner. With the Z3, however, Sony tweaked takes a what-you-see-is-what-you-get approach, producing natural colors. The automatic white balance measurements are valid with most every shot, leaving no weird overcasts in the scene. Last, but not least, the phone is able to grab a fine amount of detail..
Feel free to read the whole 4 page review if you like: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Review_id3795
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Thanks for sharing. I will take a look of course because I am interested in this stuff.
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I zoom in and crop on most pics and wife's S5 is better than my z2 as when I try and zoom and crop my pics are lacking in detail so I think in some cases more mp are better. Depends on what you want. 8mp is not always enough for certain situations.
Hi. I would like to thank you all for this interesting topic. I learned a lot about how the Z3 camera works and what's the point of 8MP/20MP
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Hi. I would like to thank you all for this interesting topic. I learned a lot about how the Z3 camera works and what's the point of 8MP/20MP
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No problem bel!
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Hi all,
Just got mine today, really dissapointed with it tbh, they can't really have set the max exposure length in manual mode to 1 second? Is there an option I'm missing somewhere? Is it just a software limitation I can get around with some different software?
Thanks
Use a third party camera app for that. But tbh, if you want long exposure photos you should really get a DSLR. Long exposure on phones is not the same as long exposure on DSLR.
I already have a DSLR thanks, but I don't take it with me everywhere Decided to return the Sony, very dissatisfied with how a premium phone with a full manual camera mode is limited to 1s.
That is very surprising - HTC U11 goes up to 32s.
I also found this flaw pretty disappointing.
The other thing that's stopping me going over the the XZP already, is that you can't manually adjust BOTH ISO + Shutter Speed. Manually setting one value (eg. ISO 50) will cause the other to be set to auto.
Not sure what their reasoning for this is, as it seems kind of backwards. Appears to have been like this since the XZ when I had a play around with one of those too.
If only you could run the Huawei P Series camera app on an Xperia (wouldn't hurt to have a B&W lens as well!), and it'd pretty much be as close to perfect phone as you could realistically get, for me.
Don't know about you but what we have "selective focus" or whatever they call it is a complete trash 99% of the time. We have 2 cameras and they can make great photos. They are perfect for Portrait mode but there is no one to add it I guess.
They added Live photos - Another thing half baked. Can't be used outside of your phone... At least Huawei phones are feature rich, they could make some way to export them as a GIFs or ot export the video so we can share it on another places.
Now they are adding 3D Panorama Camera Mode (there is XDA article about it) another thing NOT SO needed.
Why not invest some time and do a Portrait Mode so we can make great photos?
If you agree with me, send your feedback to Huawei from HiCare app.
Tweet to @huaweiMobile and @huawei on Twitter.
Write on Facebook: @huaweiMobile .
Who knows maybe they will add it later if we give enough feedback.
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Don't know about you but what we have "selective focus" or whatever they call it is a complete trash 99% of the time. We have 2 cameras and they can make great photos. They are perfect for Portrait mode but there is no one to add it I guess.
They added Live photos - Another thing half baked. Can't be used outside of your phone... At least Huawei phones are feature rich, they could make some way to export them as a GIFs or ot export the video so we can share it on another places.
Now they are adding 3D Panorama Camera Mode (there is XDA article about it) another thing NOT SO needed.
Why not invest some time and do a Portrait Mode so we can make great photos?
If you agree with me, send your feedback to Huawei from HiCare app.
Tweet to @huaweiMobile and @huawei on Twitter.
Write on Facebook: @huaweiMobile .
Who knows maybe they will add it later if we give enough feedback.
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Wide aperture mode and potrait mode are similar. I think the only difference is you can alter the blur in wide aperture...
Trick with two cameras in P9 is that they are not used at the same time even to create bokeh effect. It was tested many times with covered lens or even when putting some bright thing to fool camera not to show info "dont cover lenses".
So sadly we talk here only about one sensor that still is damn nice, so at least for me its not big deal.
As for portrait mode... It would be nice to have but what we really expect from it?
Most of portrait modes on phones are actually the same as "beautification mode" where camera just slightly blur skin color and do some really small blur on background.
Its not really much and I actually found out that "beautification mode" in our device at level 3-4 do the trick just fine. Also "Food Mode" is pretty nice for portrait, it bump colors and(not sure if its me or that function) focus more on close objects so background have that light blur.
Other thing is that if you really want to make nice portrait mode... Expert mode is best to do it. Yes it need that few seconds to get set it up depending on lighting condition, but for most of time its a matter of selecting aperture mode, AF to manual(its tricky on phone but you can get used to it) and correction of exposition.
Also people should not be afraid of post processing. This is something that actually distinguishes professional photography from amateur. Whole magic of nice image is correcting it after taking picture. Not some heavy photoshoping, but "correcting image".
People today want everything automated and expect professional results. They take 100000 pictures and want them all to be nice.
Yes, photography is about taking lots of pictures, but what matter is to choose that one best, and polish it as much as possible.
Taking portrait is not different, you take few pictures, choose best one and polish it a bit after that.
You will never get perfect result with automatic mode in first try, this need some luck or proper preparation of scene, that no one really do when take pictures using camera.
The wide aperature (not called selective focus) is actually the portrait mode, similar to the one on iPhones(also on Note8).
It does use both cameras to percieve depth and create a bokeh/blur effect.
And if you are talking about P10's portrait mode, it is just the wide aperture mode along with beauty mode combined, and is inferior.
I think P9 does a decent job with it's potraits. It's not the best when compared to Pixel, iPhone and Note 8. But a little bit of tweaking and manually taking the photo at a good distance from subject. You can get great results. Plus you can't expect everything to be in the phone, as there are certain. limitations hardware wise. Best you can do is to see tutorials or find ways to manually tweak camera settings. Or you could get Autofocus, terrific free app that allows you to make potriats out of normal photos and it's very good.
Personally I don't find it the same as Portrait Mode on other phones. Especially with objects it's ridiculosly bad. About the two cameras I guess there is a way to make them work together and give great results. But even if they add it only for the one camera I would be really happy. It's not necessary but would be nice to have it. We see they are adding new things this one will be wellcome.
It's simple. Instead of using a button named "Portrait Mode", use the manual Settings to create portraits and bokeh effect on your own.
Because everyone knows how to use manual settings to achieve it right? Not so simple. Mode is better.
If you managed to ride a bike, create google account, register on xda forum and use phone it self at all, manual mode will be peace of cake.
Its a matter of just remembering what option do what, and you have really just 6 options where 2 of them are really clear to understand and not used too much(White Balance and Focus Mode that is just manual and auto).
Separated modes are handy, but they often "try to hard to be inteligent" and mess thing up. Its especially frustrating when you transfer images to PC and realize that image on phone look totally different than on PC, especially in terms of contrast and details...
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Trick with two cameras in P9 is that they are not used at the same time even to create bokeh effect. It was tested many times with covered lens or even when putting some bright thing to fool camera not to show info "dont cover lenses".
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Are You sure? I tested it on my P9 and covering one lens (mono) has an effect... Just look at the file size and histogram. I can clearly see the diference (with covered lens there're less highlights).
Of course in PRO mode without RAW. RAW is taking photo from ONE lens.
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Are You sure? I tested it on my P9 and covering one lens (mono) has an effect... Just look at the file size and histogram. I can clearly see the diference (with covered lens there're less highlights).
Of course in PRO mode without RAW. RAW is taking photo from ONE lens.
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There was few comparisons topic even here on XDA, but here have another one. Taken in a bit dark room near the window with just natural sun light. I used small tripod on table.
Normally I would use big one and take pic outside, but I dont have big one with me and its windy as hell and Im not in the mood for going outside
Beside here we focus on details of image, not on bokeh effect, so such close up is enough.
I used both method to cover BW lens. Simple thick tape, and second one that prevent phone from showing warning about covering lens: Bright single small LED diode facing straight in to the BW lens(its really tricky to set it in way that it dont reflect in to the other lense...) It not cover image but give big bright white blurred blob in the middle of image.
Image is saved in PNG format so it should not have additional compression artifacts.
https://goo.gl/DK1rjR
(of course download it for 100% size)
As you see... all images have almost the same amount of details. Of course BW look best especially with help of lower ISO.
Overall only auto mode lost some details but you need to stick your face to the screen and literally look for them, so I call it draw for both auto and manual.
Of course we need to remember that scene it self have lots to say, so with different lighting and scene you will get different image size and auto mode settings, but overall you will get the same results: There is no difference in image quality if you cover BW lense, even with bokeh effect.
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There was few comparisons topic even here on XDA, but here have another one. Taken in a bit dark room near the window with just natural sun light. I used small tripod on table.
Normally I would use big one and take pic outside, but I dont have big one with me and its windy as hell and Im not in the mood for going outside
Beside here we focus on details of image, not on bokeh effect, so such close up is enough.
I used both method to cover BW lens. Simple thick tape, and second one that prevent phone from showing warning about covering lens: Bright single small LED diode facing straight in to the BW lens(its really tricky to set it in way that it dont reflect in to the other lense...) It not cover image but give big bright white blurred blob in the middle of image.
Image is saved in PNG format so it should not have additional compression artifacts.
https://goo.gl/DK1rjR
(of course download it for 100% size)
As you see... all images have almost the same amount of details. Of course BW look best especially with help of lower ISO.
Overall only auto mode lost some details but you need to stick your face to the screen and literally look for them, so I call it draw for both auto and manual.
Of course we need to remember that scene it self have lots to say, so with different lighting and scene you will get different image size and auto mode settings, but overall you will get the same results: There is no difference in image quality if you cover BW lense, even with bokeh effect.
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Hmmmm... Im not talking about human eyes
The difference is too small to catch it, but if You look into file sizes and at histogram there IS a difference. Not huge, but there is.
The problem is... Huawei told us, they're using two sensors to produce one image. And its true, but its not like as twice as much light unfortunately. Difference is too little to catch it and say that. Covering the second lens is cutting some highlights, thats all... (right side of histogram).
I would love to, that camera is taking light with monochrome sensor and then putting colors on it... It would be AMAZING! Just take color and monochrome photos with same scenery. The monochrome photo is almost twice as fast as color (or has twice less ISO).
Why is that? I dont know, its a shame. Anyway its super camera still.
EDIT: Maybe for different ROMs its different?
Honestly I dont really care if it use both sensors to take pic or not. Its nice camera and that what matter. Many people including me tested it many time, and difference is non existing if you compare them, for most of time difference in size or histogram is a matter of just different settings and small changes in scene lighting, even small tilt or movement of camera can change it. Even if you just focus on different part of scene, there will be change in light expo(it will bright or darken some part and you will get totally different histogram and size). I can ensure you that if you put your phone in tripod and take proper test images without changing scene lighting too much you will never find a real difference, even with slightly different histogram(I actually dont get focusing on it that much... its like rating music relying on its spectrogram)
As for using two sensors and blend both images to create one... Today cameras and hardware is fast enough to take even 3 pictures instantly with different settings(exp, focus), so even with just one sensor you can get nice images that have nice dynamic range, bokeh effect and details.
So dual camera with both the same sensors are really just marketing gimmick and some people get that bait and spread false info about "superiority of dual cameras". Its a matter of creating ONE good sensor with good image algorithms to get perfect image(like proper cameras doing for past decades?). And I dont afraid to say that P9 have really nice camera and monochrome sensor is just additional feature, cool to use but not needed at all.
Yeah mulit-lenses have their pros, but we talk here about phone... you can stick on it additional wide angle lens, but beside that playing with blending images from few senors is overkill.
Jan Philipp said:
It's simple. Instead of using a button named "Portrait Mode", use the manual Settings to create portraits and bokeh effect on your own.
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You can't reproduce wide aperture effect with pro settings. You can't adjust focal length or aperture.
Akinaro said:
Honestly I dont really care if it use both sensors to take pic or not. Its nice camera and that what matter. Many people including me tested it many time, and difference is non existing if you compare them, for most of time difference in size or histogram is a matter of just different settings and small changes in scene lighting, even small tilt or movement of camera can change it. Even if you just focus on different part of scene, there will be change in light expo(it will bright or darken some part and you will get totally different histogram and size). I can ensure you that if you put your phone in tripod and take proper test images without changing scene lighting too much you will never find a real difference, even with slightly different histogram(I actually dont get focusing on it that much... its like rating music relying on its spectrogram)
As for using two sensors and blend both images to create one... Today cameras and hardware is fast enough to take even 3 pictures instantly with different settings(exp, focus), so even with just one sensor you can get nice images that have nice dynamic range, bokeh effect and details.
So dual camera with both the same sensors are really just marketing gimmick and some people get that bait and spread false info about "superiority of dual cameras". Its a matter of creating ONE good sensor with good image algorithms to get perfect image(like proper cameras doing for past decades?). And I dont afraid to say that P9 have really nice camera and monochrome sensor is just additional feature, cool to use but not needed at all.
Yeah mulit-lenses have their pros, but we talk here about phone... you can stick on it additional wide angle lens, but beside that playing with blending images from few senors is overkill.
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I happen to disagree, multiple sensors can be useful for zoom without losing detail (that's no gimmick), monochrome let you take pics with less noise in darker scenes (I really like that) , the bokeh effect normally use both lenses to create the image. In other phones, LG's for example, the wide angle lens may come handy in numerous situations. Sure, you can have one great camera and be satisfied but I don't think that multiple sensors are just pure marketing.
joser0913 said:
I happen to disagree, multiple sensors can be useful for zoom without losing detail (that's no gimmick), monochrome let you take pics with less noise in darker scenes (I really like that) , the bokeh effect normally use both lenses to create the image. In other phones, LG's for example, the wide angle lens may come handy in numerous situations. Sure, you can have one great camera and be satisfied but I don't think that multiple sensors are just pure marketing.
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eh... I said that, quote: ""So dual camera with both the same sensors are really just marketing gimmick"". I was referring all the time to two identical sensors. Read whole topic...
I mentioned that having telephoto is different story, quote: ""(...) you can stick on it additional wide angle lens, but beside that playing with blending images from few senors is overkill.""
But still as I said al whats matter is quality of that sensor and software side of it(algorithms), there is lots of phones and camera with just one senor but because of quality of optic and optimized software it give you better end results when you compare it to any dual cam in 1:1 comparison
Being a high end phone i find this unacceptable, for example the 11U constantly takes 25MB dng, while the 12SU is around 6-8, knowing the resolving ability of this great sensor and more then decent lens, i'm pretty sure there is some information loss in the process, what was Xiaomi thinking into doing this on super high end camera hardware?
Any way to solve this, or contact Xiaomi to suggest to add option to turn reduce compression? is there any Xiaomi member from the dev team on XDA?
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Being a high end phone i find this unacceptable, for example the 11U constantly takes 25MB dng, while the 12SU is around 6-8, knowing the resolving ability of this great sensor and more then decent lens, i'm pretty sure there is some information loss in the process, what was Xiaomi thinking into doing this on super high end camera hardware?
Any way to solve this, or contact Xiaomi to suggest to add option to turn reduce compression? is there any Xiaomi member from the dev team on XDA?
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12su's dng works for 12mp. thus averaging 6-8mb
12su's 50mp mode in stock photo app results 25mb jpeg.
you can check yourself a resolution difference.
maybe a software glitch to be fixed.
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12su's dng works for 12mp. thus averaging 6-8mb
12su's 50mp mode in stock photo app results 25mb jpeg.
you can check yourself a resolution difference.
maybe a software glitch to be fixed.
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Yes i talked about 12MP, 11U 12MP is 25
dazed1 said:
Yes i talked about 12MP, 11U 12MP is 25
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oh really? now that is indeed strange
This phone have this lossless compression of DNG (and JPEG compressed), you could disable that by change the default prop from 1 to 0
Code:
persist.sys.dng.compression.enable=1
I havent test that, may not affect the compression at all. Try on your own