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[Q] SuperSU Permanent Unroot

Hay guys I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 mini (GT-I8910N) an I've rooted it, but now I see there is new update coming out an I want to unroot my phone to update it. And I'm interested if any of you guys tried to unroot your phone using SuperSU's permanent unroot, I saw that option, but it just sounds to easy. So if I use that option will I be able to download new update and use NFC again? And will I be able to root my phone again?

Check out OTA Rootkeeper in the Play Store.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk HD

I have tried unroot device completely.. It went pretty smooth... And I again rooted my phone again without any sweat...

How?
DBZo07 said:
I have tried unroot device completely.. It went pretty smooth... And I again rooted my phone again without any sweat...
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Hi, how did you root the i8910n? Looked everywhere.
TY

pr3science said:
Hi, how did you root the i8910n? Looked everywhere.
TY
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Brother my device is i9082...
Unroot is easily done through the super su app...
Rooted back with Cwm.

Cant Root My Device
Hello,
I am a newbie. I have accidently permanently unroot my device with "SU clean up for Permanent Unroot". can any body tell me how can i root my device again?????
Thanks In Advance

new update works?
DBZo07 said:
Brother my device is i9082...
Unroot is easily done through the super su app...
Rooted back with Cwm.
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In the lastest update supersu perma unroot says it will keep some kernels that will reroot when booting... Wtf? How can i perma unroot?

JuanL said:
In the lastest update supersu perma unroot says it will keep some kernels that will reroot when booting... Wtf? How can i perma unroot?
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the only way to truly unroot your device is to flash the stock firmware back onto it.
the unroot option in superuser or whatever does not remove all traces of root on any phone, even though it may technically be no longer rooted.

bweN diorD said:
the only way to truly unroot your device is to flash the stock firmware back onto it.
the unroot option in superuser or whatever does not remove all traces of root on any phone, even though it may technically be no longer rooted.
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But... Will it reroot?

JuanL said:
But... Will it reroot?
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If you flash stock firmware again then... It will be unrooted completely .......

Killwish said:
If you flash stock firmware again then... It will be unrooted completely .......
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But if i dont... Will it reroot?

JuanL said:
But if i dont... Will it reroot?
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Sorry for my bad English ... i wrote "if you flash stock firmware again, it will be unrooted completely"
I wanted to say that "whenever you flash stock firmware, your phone will be unrooted"

unroot
bruce7373 said:
Check out OTA Rootkeeper in the Play Store.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk HD
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Hi,
my phone has been having issues since rooting. if i unroot then downgrade, can i root again? supersu says unroot is permanent- not sure what it means

Unroot on supersu not working on oneplus 2...
stuck in 'please wait...'
i get "uninstalling, please wait..." , and it never completes.
this happens when i try to use: "full unroot, cleanup for permanent unroot" (in settings).
the full unroot is simply not working/stuck, acting like it is uninstalling. i tried a bunch of reboots, and root checker confirms i'm still rooted.
i have already bricked my phone once, previously, trying to unroot (because this feature did not work on my device: oneplus 2, and i got over-zealous trying to unroot).
help! i don't want to brick again trying to unroot.
would like to get updates when 1+ make them available.
no help googling this problem.
chainfire said to check xda...
once bitten, twice shy...
if this should be in another forum, can moderator switch my post there?
sc

possible fix...
unticked unknown sources for apps under security, and supersu let me "unroot." i made a number of attempts to unroot and got no results til i did this. when 1+2 gets an update, i will know. root checker says, "Sorry! root access not properly installed...," now.
sncalaska said:
stuck in 'please wait...'
i get "uninstalling, please wait..." , and it never completes.
this happens when i try to use: "full unroot, cleanup for permanent unroot" (in settings).
the full unroot is simply not working/stuck, acting like it is uninstalling. i tried a bunch of reboots, and root checker confirms i'm still rooted.
i have already bricked my phone once, previously, trying to unroot (because this feature did not work on my device: oneplus 2, and i got over-zealous trying to unroot).
help! i don't want to brick again trying to unroot.
would like to get updates when 1+ make them available.
no help googling this problem.
chainfire said to check xda...
once bitten, twice shy...
if this should be in another forum, can moderator switch my post there?
sc
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[Q] Root D85010f

Hey guys,
So I just got the G3 last week, and an update rolled out from AT&T. Me being the idiot I am thought it was the Lollipop update so I updated it. Turns out, it was just 10f.
Then when I looked for ways to root the G3, all the methods required the software to be on 10d, not f.
What should I do?
Any help is much appreciated.

Use the bruteforce method in Stump root.
see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/help/att-d85010f-update-stump-root-t2953063

You are certain it'll work for 10f?

sympathizer said:
You are certain it'll work for 10f?
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100%. I rooted on 10f using stump.
In addition, if you plan on rooting a device and you know there is an update, please wait to install the update until you know a root method is found.

aybarrap1 said:
100%. I rooted on 10f using stump.
In addition, if you plan on rooting a device and you know there is an update, please wait to install the update until you know a root method is found.
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Will do.
Thanks a lot!

Not rooting
sympathizer said:
Will do.
Thanks a lot!
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I too am trying to root d850 10f with bruteforce on stumproot...mine will not do it though, keeps saying device is not supported after about 7 minutes of trying. Any ideas? (Yes, i know, shouldnt have installed the darn update), but i keep seeing people rooting 10f no problem with stump, although mine wont.

esanger22 said:
I too am trying to root d850 10f with bruteforce on stumproot...mine will not do it though, keeps saying device is not supported after about 7 minutes of trying. Any ideas? (Yes, i know, shouldnt have installed the darn update), but i keep seeing people rooting 10f no problem with stump, although mine wont.
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You can always flash back to the older version 10d in the return to stock thread.
Sent from my LG-D850 using XDA Premium HD app

Intub8 said:
You can always flash back to the older version 10d in the return to stock thread.
Sent from my LG-D850 using XDA Premium HD app
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This is what I would do. It is possible you got a bad OTA as well. Did you factory reset after the OTA? I have seen many cases on forums where a factory reset takes care of many issues after an OTA.
Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk

esanger22 said:
I too am trying to root d850 10f with bruteforce on stumproot...mine will not do it though, keeps saying device is not supported after about 7 minutes of trying. Any ideas? (Yes, i know, shouldnt have installed the darn update), but i keep seeing people rooting 10f no problem with stump, although mine wont.
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I don't know man, do you have the correct app installed? Mine went through smoothly in less than 5 minutes.

I just did this - now i am trying to bump the device. So my memory is relatively fresh
Reboot for fresh start - Run Stump - it will say device not supported - try brute force - let it run - takes 5 - 7 and maybe 10 min after which it says "reboot" device - then go ahead and reboot device. Run stump again - it should say device is rooted. Next download "root checker" it will say rooted. Ofcourse if this all does not go thru - you can downgrade to a previous firmware and it'll go easier - however that's more labor intensive and you'll not be able to back up the current ROM with all your apps and setup.

Well, I ended up having to flash back to 10d as mentioned by many of you. This fixed the problem!

esanger22 said:
Well, I ended up having to flash back to 10d as mentioned by many of you. This fixed the problem!
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Good to hear and I do not think you are missing much going back. At least I have found no difference. Just freeze "Software Update" to prevent nagging OTA update notifications.

aybarrap1 said:
Good to hear and I do not think you are missing much going back. At least I have found no difference. Just freeze "Software Update" to prevent nagging OTA update notifications.
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I actually installed CM12...its friggin awesome.

I can report no issues here with Stumproot on 10f and I've restored back to stock multiple times.

Sounds like something was just messed up on my phone, everyone else was able to use it!

perhaps this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-lg-g3/development/rom-stock-rooted-att-odexed-d85010f-t2945873
works nicely, no muss, no fuss

If i revert to 10D do i have to use the BUMP method after root? Or just get TWRP/CWM Recovery like good ole days? I just don't care to have the BUMP bypass that is why I am asking.
I have the ATT G3 10F.

[Q] OTA Update Fails

Today i get an update OTA
i downloaded it and wanted to update, but in the Update-Screen, the progress failed and my phone reboot
i have rooted my flex2 (h955) and the software recognized it and throw out an error
is there any way to update?
i searched the problem in google, but google doesnt found anything and in the G3 forum stands, that root is no problem with stock recovery and ich have stock recovery

You might have to unroot before doing the OTA update.
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Arkangel786 said:
You might have to unroot before doing the OTA update.
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doesn't work :/ i try the LG PC Suite and report
EDIT: it seems that the LG tool is the only way, but you can root again ^^

TheAxiks said:
doesn't work :/ i try the LG PC Suite and report
EDIT: it seems that the LG tool is the only way, but you can root again ^^
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Which version of the LG PC Suite did you use?
There doesn't seem to be one available for the Flex 2 yet on their main site.
*Edit* Software tool downloaded and works fine.

could anyone post links to the tool/s to update the sprint flex 2 please. i too got the OTA update and failed, most likely because im rooted. but anyway im just trying to update. also anyone also with sprint and updated notice any performance differences or better signal after update.?

I'm using Flex 2 after the root is not updated. When I unroot the LG logo hanging Flex 2, now I needed stock rom and file tot

ngheokieumy said:
I'm using Flex 2 after the root is not updated. When I unroot the LG logo hanging Flex 2, now I needed stock rom and file tot
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you can try to flash this:
[KDZ][H955] LG G Flex 2 stock .kdz
And then you tell us if it worked or not.

grauone said:
you can try to flash this:
[KDZ][H955] LG G Flex 2 stock .kdz
And then you tell us if it worked or not.
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After flash H955 is working fine but no phone reception and the message "current version is not avaiable for users. Can not find matched cust nt-code for mmc / MNC * subset *"
thankyou

ngheokieumy said:
After flash H955 is working fine but no phone reception and the message "current version is not avaiable for users. Can not find matched cust nt-code for mmc / MNC * subset *"
thankyou
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The message is no problem, only appears at startup. But no phone reception is a ****ing thing.
Have you installed the correct one for your country? if it is on the list.

foxydave said:
Which version of the LG PC Suite did you use?
There doesn't seem to be one available for the Flex 2 yet on their main site.
*Edit* Software tool downloaded and works fine.
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Which one did you get? LG PC Suite 4.3.41? Where from? I can't find it on the LG site for our phones.

count me in the same boat :/
have the sprint version of the phone and woke up this morning to a prompt that there was an android update. with my brain not being awake yet i went ahead and told it to update, not thinking about root preventing the update. So went about my morning routine and came back and the phone was booted back up, but obviously the update didn't apply as i was still on ZV4, not ZV5. when checking for update it says there are no updates available.
can anyone help me/us out and post some steps for how to unroot and reapply the update? i'm good at following directions, just too new to this stuff to be able to figure it out on my own

Stank0 said:
Which one did you get? LG PC Suite 4.3.41? Where from? I can't find it on the LG site for our phones.
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I used the LG Software Download Tool, it was on the LG UK site, but I cant find it now!
It was called 'B2CAppSetupp.exe'

Found this if its any help....
http://www.mylgphones.com/lg-software-tools-download

grauone said:
The message is no problem, only appears at startup. But no phone reception is a ****ing thing.
Have you installed the correct one for your country? if it is on the list.
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see provider but no signal

anyone have any tips on forcing the OTA to download again?i've disabled SU, rebooted, and factory reset and it still says i'm up to date when checking for an update. or is there a way to download the OTA and update the phone some other way?
really want to check out this update and see the improvements, just can't get it to go after trying to update this morning while still rooted

ngheokieumy said:
see provider but no signal
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I tested all the files and I have no message and signal works perfectly.

woke up this morning to the prompt that there was an update available again, not sure why it does it overnight but won't when i manually check for update..... anyway, i disabled SU, rebooted, then started the update and watched it this time and in the middle of the upgrade it came up with the android guy on his back and it said error. after a bit it restarted again and was back to where i started, no update.
so it looks like i need to unroot. would appreciate any help on how to unroot so i can apply the OTA, thanks!!!!!

Here with a sprint flex 2. First time I tried ota update I was rooted and it failed. A few days later the update notification showed up again, went ahead and unrooted, tried the update and still failed. I'm not sure root has anything to do with update failing now. Could be something else. So far I haven't read about anyone successfully completing update and reporting it.

I was getting the same error message about being rooted even after un rooting the device.
I installed the lg pc suite and upgraded to 10d that way and then re rooted using the method on this forum.
It looks like there may be a flag thats triggered once u root that doesnt get removed even if u unroot it.

ugh! i can't even get my phone to connect to pc suite to try and "fix" it so i can attempt the update

Autorec Lollipop for D800

Big Thanks to @bender_007!
He was nice enough to make Autorec compatible with the newest lollipop OTA 5.02 30F. I tested it for him and it works!
Check it out in the Play Store!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=b007.autorecd800&hl=en
Don't forget to give him some thanks and if you feel inclined to, some donation.
Just root your lollipop g2, here's an informative video on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i22O9VHGi3k , then install Autorec from Playstore and then you'll get TWRP!

guapinoy said:
Big Thanks to @bender_007!
He was nice enough to make Autorec compatible with the newest lollipop OTA 5.02 30F. I tested it for him and it works!
Check it out in the Play Store!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=b007.autorecd800&hl=en
Don't forget to give him some thanks and if you feel inclined to, some donation.
Just root your lollipop g2, here's an informative video on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i22O9VHGi3k , then install Autorec from Playstore and then you'll get TWRP!
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but how did you root stock lollipop

ankit360 said:
but how did you root stock lollipop
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Same question how to root stock lollipop

ankit360 said:
but how did you root stock lollipop
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Did you look at the video I linked?

Mustafa Jafri said:
Same question how to root stock lollipop
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Watch the video bro.

Mustafa Jafri said:
Same question how to root stock lollipop
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/guide-root-lg-firmwares-kitkat-lollipop-t3056951 it works . i did mine

ankit360 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/guide-root-lg-firmwares-kitkat-lollipop-t3056951 it works . i did mine
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am trying this method but when put in the last code its taken a while to do anything,so am wondering is it normal for it to take that long or am i doing something wrong?

When using one click ver 1.3 when it reaches 90% in download mode, wait a couple of mins then pull the usb cable out of phone while in download mode. You should reboot into Android upgrading SU !

Which rooting apps are u using?,is it for d800 variant?

yeah the OneClickRoot works. I was on KK 4.4.2, CloudyFlex 2.8 and decided to update to 5.0.2 just for the bootloader, modem and other stuff. So, I started backing up my "SD Card" to my laptop, using the TOT file method to flash via LG Flashtool to 20c, then rooting with TowelRoot, updating to 20y and finally, upgrading to 30f. But, just for testing, I factory reset my unit.
Then the quest to find a suitable root method began, tried towel, io and stomp but didn't work for me. Then I found this "OneClickRoot" that looked good. I d/l'ed v1.3 but it took forever in Download mode. Then, i decide to try v1.2 (Console version) and it worked PERFECTLY, highly recommended.

I just got this device (D800) with the intention of rooting and installing CM12. It came with the latest version of KK which I knew I had to downgrade to a version of JB with an unlocked boatloader. But my phone upgraded to Lollipop on its own before I had the chance to do anything. I assume the boatloader is still locked with the latest Lollipop firmware. It's nice there is a way to root Lollipop but will I be able to run CM12 and custom kernels somehow?

this is awesome, THANKS!

No go for me..
ZMaissi said:
yeah the OneClickRoot works. I was on KK 4.4.2, CloudyFlex 2.8 and decided to update to 5.0.2 just for the bootloader, modem and other stuff. So, I started backing up my "SD Card" to my laptop, using the TOT file method to flash via LG Flashtool to 20c, then rooting with TowelRoot, updating to 20y and finally, upgrading to 30f. But, just for testing, I factory reset my unit.
Then the quest to find a suitable root method began, tried towel, io and stomp but didn't work for me. Then I found this "OneClickRoot" that looked good. I d/l'ed v1.3 but it took forever in Download mode. Then, i decide to try v1.2 (Console version) and it worked PERFECTLY, highly recommended.
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I always get stuck at Looking for LG serial Port...
any thoughts???

Finally..
It took me long time but finally I was able to go from 800D10D to 800D20c to 800D20y and 800D20F . Had to do lot of researching
and testing because I'm a noobie, but at the end it worked out. I thank all the developers and helpers.
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It took me long time but finally I was able to go from 800D10D to 800D20c to 800D20y and 800D20F . I'm rooted, TWRP installed and on Lollipop. Had to do lot of researching and testing because I'm a noobie, but at the end it worked out. I thank all the developers and helpers.

smilesintears77 said:
I always get stuck at Looking for LG serial Port...
any thoughts???
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I'm guessing that you re referring rooting, right? In the console version, it says that you have to unplug the phone, turn it off and plug it again pressing Vol+ (Vol Up) to enter download mode.
After that, it will continue and eventually you'll get to something that says Special Command ENTER something,, then you have to press Ctrl-C to finish.
Hope this helps
Enviado desde mi LG-D800 mediante Tapatalk

I was using windows 7. I end up using windows 8 and it worked.
Sent from my LG-D800 using xda premium

Thanks for posting this guapinoy. I recently got a new AT&T G2 that I OTA updated to Lollipop (using an AT&T sim). I followed the picture tutorial linked to that youtube video (http://highonandroid.com/android-smartphones/how-to-root-lg-g-flex-2-g2-g3-on-lollipop/) and was able to root successfully. Installed TWRP afterwards using the autorec app.

I'm having problems with that recovery that this thing installed, it doesn't work for flashing, just for backups... Tried to install other recovery (philz and the official twrp) or rom (liquidsmooth) and i always get the message "error executing updater binary in zip "zip name" "....
Also installed the kitkat baseband, but the error was still there...

I got a boot loop now, at first the ROM worked without recovery, now the recovery works but the ROM won't boot. I can't flash anything due to the same erro .

Help!!!
Hi.. Everyone I'm new to the thread I flashed Blisspop 3.2 to my lg g2 and everytime I bootbit up I keep experience gapps error such as unfortunately google play services has stopped and I can't access anything without that error popping up my LG g2 is the AT&T model (D800) can someone please give me a copy of autorec d800 for lollipop so I can use to try flash twrp on the phone or will the old kit kat autorec work Please I'm in serious need

Marshmallow!

With the update coming sometime in the near future, what does that mean for us with rooted phones? More specifically, us losers who are on the Puerto Rican rom.
I imagine if we update we lose root, but is there any way we can get back on the American AT&T H810 after the update comes out?

I just got the phone from Craig's list. When I got home and I did more research I realized I got screwed. They sold me the PR version of the phone. At least I got it for 280 unlocked and no scratches almost new.
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Nirvana Rules said:
I just got the phone from Craig's list. When I got home and I did more research I realized I got screwed. They sold me the PR version of the phone. At least I got it for 280 unlocked and no scratches almost new.
Sent from my LG-H810 using Tapatalk
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Yikes sorry! Do you have the green spot issue in the camera? It's a decent rom save for that issue. Allows you to get rid of everything (bloatware). I've been dying to add xposed, but without being able to back anything up makes it a little iffy. AT&T seems to be the worst when it comes to allowing their devices to be unlocked.

robertaguilerajr said:
With the update coming sometime in the near future, what does that mean for us with rooted phones? More specifically, us losers who are on the Puerto Rican rom.
I imagine if we update we lose root, but is there any way we can get back on the American AT&T H810 after the update comes out?
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If LG releases a KDZ for ATT you can. However, even those of us who are on att firmware can't take OTA updates after rooting (even if flashing an unrooted system img). LGs root checker tool flags the system on the /persist partition

This means that you will have to UN-Root your phone. Download & install the update. Put your phone into download mode. DD if=OS of=Backup.img
Then root that backup (Or get it from someone who posted it on an XDA Root site)
Once it is rooted, then DD if=RootedOS of=OS (Disk dump it back to the phone)
Now you have a rooted Marshmellow OS on your phone.

bigjohnman said:
This means that you will have to UN-Root your phone. Download & install the update. Put your phone into download mode. DD if=OS of=Backup.img
Then root that backup (Or get it from someone who posted it on an XDA Root site)
Once it is rooted, then DD if=RootedOS of=OS (Disk dump it back to the phone)
Now you have a rooted Marshmellow OS on your phone.
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Please also know, once you root, you will NOT be able to take any future OTA Updates. Even if you flash back your unrooted System.img.
LG's Root Checker Tool prevents this. You can read more about it http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-...lysis-t3229175
UNLESS They Release a KDZ.

warri said:
Please also know, once you root, you will NOT be able to take any future OTA Updates. Even if you flash back your unrooted System.img.
LG's Root Checker Tool prevents this. You can read more about it http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-...lysis-t3229175
UNLESS They Release a KDZ.
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I did the H81010g root a while back. Is there a way for me to get on the O update, preferably rooted?

warri said:
Please also know, once you root, you will NOT be able to take any future OTA Updates. Even if you flash back your unrooted System.img.
LG's Root Checker Tool prevents this. You can read more about it http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-...lysis-t3229175
UNLESS They Release a KDZ.
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this is false. i was rooted on 10g, i unrooted and flashed stock system.img and took the update to 10o just fine.
you need to do a few things to prepare first
1) unfreeze any apps you may have frozen with debloater/titanium/greenify/etc
2) disable and uninstall any xposed modules
3) uninstall xposed (if you have it)
4) uninstall flashfire (if you have it)
5) uninstall any root apps (aside from supersu)
6) open supersu, uncheck "enable superuser" and then select full unroot, than reboot
7) download and flash the stock system.img for whatever firmware you are currently rooted on
8) now your unrooted and you may update via ota
this thread will help for flashing, just make sure you use the stock version of your current firmware: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/lg-g4-100-root-success-directives-root-t3180586
you can find lots of system.img files and more tips here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/att-h810-update-8-31-v10i-t3190714
this post is also useful for unrooting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62640811&postcount=27
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ajent said:
I did the H81010g root a while back. Is there a way for me to get on the O update, preferably rooted?
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easily done, check my post above. after you take the ota to 10o you will just need to root that basically the same way you did with 10g

thecrunked said:
easily done, check my post above. after you take the ota to 10o you will just need to root that basically the same way you did with 10g
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I completed those steps, however right at 4% still getting error 0x1123004.
I re-rooted just to make sure everything was unfrozen etc, uninstalled everything, then flashed unrooted image back, still giving the error.
Guess i'll have to wait for another method.

ajent said:
I completed those steps, however right at 4% still getting error 0x1123004.
I re-rooted just to make sure everything was unfrozen etc, uninstalled everything, then flashed unrooted image back, still giving the error.
Guess i'll have to wait for another method.
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might want to look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/att...t-analysis-t3229175/post63389636#post63389636
i went from 10g to 10o so that could explain why i didnt have a problem