[Q] SuperSU Permanent Unroot - General Questions and Answers

Hay guys I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 mini (GT-I8910N) an I've rooted it, but now I see there is new update coming out an I want to unroot my phone to update it. And I'm interested if any of you guys tried to unroot your phone using SuperSU's permanent unroot, I saw that option, but it just sounds to easy. So if I use that option will I be able to download new update and use NFC again? And will I be able to root my phone again?

Check out OTA Rootkeeper in the Play Store.
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I have tried unroot device completely.. It went pretty smooth... And I again rooted my phone again without any sweat...

How?
DBZo07 said:
I have tried unroot device completely.. It went pretty smooth... And I again rooted my phone again without any sweat...
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Hi, how did you root the i8910n? Looked everywhere.
TY

pr3science said:
Hi, how did you root the i8910n? Looked everywhere.
TY
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Brother my device is i9082...
Unroot is easily done through the super su app...
Rooted back with Cwm.

Cant Root My Device
Hello,
I am a newbie. I have accidently permanently unroot my device with "SU clean up for Permanent Unroot". can any body tell me how can i root my device again?????
Thanks In Advance

new update works?
DBZo07 said:
Brother my device is i9082...
Unroot is easily done through the super su app...
Rooted back with Cwm.
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In the lastest update supersu perma unroot says it will keep some kernels that will reroot when booting... Wtf? How can i perma unroot?

JuanL said:
In the lastest update supersu perma unroot says it will keep some kernels that will reroot when booting... Wtf? How can i perma unroot?
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the only way to truly unroot your device is to flash the stock firmware back onto it.
the unroot option in superuser or whatever does not remove all traces of root on any phone, even though it may technically be no longer rooted.

bweN diorD said:
the only way to truly unroot your device is to flash the stock firmware back onto it.
the unroot option in superuser or whatever does not remove all traces of root on any phone, even though it may technically be no longer rooted.
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But... Will it reroot?

JuanL said:
But... Will it reroot?
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If you flash stock firmware again then... It will be unrooted completely .......

Killwish said:
If you flash stock firmware again then... It will be unrooted completely .......
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But if i dont... Will it reroot?

JuanL said:
But if i dont... Will it reroot?
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Sorry for my bad English ... i wrote "if you flash stock firmware again, it will be unrooted completely"
I wanted to say that "whenever you flash stock firmware, your phone will be unrooted"

unroot
bruce7373 said:
Check out OTA Rootkeeper in the Play Store.
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Hi,
my phone has been having issues since rooting. if i unroot then downgrade, can i root again? supersu says unroot is permanent- not sure what it means

Unroot on supersu not working on oneplus 2...
stuck in 'please wait...'
i get "uninstalling, please wait..." , and it never completes.
this happens when i try to use: "full unroot, cleanup for permanent unroot" (in settings).
the full unroot is simply not working/stuck, acting like it is uninstalling. i tried a bunch of reboots, and root checker confirms i'm still rooted.
i have already bricked my phone once, previously, trying to unroot (because this feature did not work on my device: oneplus 2, and i got over-zealous trying to unroot).
help! i don't want to brick again trying to unroot.
would like to get updates when 1+ make them available.
no help googling this problem.
chainfire said to check xda...
once bitten, twice shy...
if this should be in another forum, can moderator switch my post there?
sc

possible fix...
unticked unknown sources for apps under security, and supersu let me "unroot." i made a number of attempts to unroot and got no results til i did this. when 1+2 gets an update, i will know. root checker says, "Sorry! root access not properly installed...," now.
sncalaska said:
stuck in 'please wait...'
i get "uninstalling, please wait..." , and it never completes.
this happens when i try to use: "full unroot, cleanup for permanent unroot" (in settings).
the full unroot is simply not working/stuck, acting like it is uninstalling. i tried a bunch of reboots, and root checker confirms i'm still rooted.
i have already bricked my phone once, previously, trying to unroot (because this feature did not work on my device: oneplus 2, and i got over-zealous trying to unroot).
help! i don't want to brick again trying to unroot.
would like to get updates when 1+ make them available.
no help googling this problem.
chainfire said to check xda...
once bitten, twice shy...
if this should be in another forum, can moderator switch my post there?
sc
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[Q] Rooted and can't update anymore

So I've rooted (the day it came out, so before the first update) and can't update anymore. It'll fail when attempting and reboot me. It wouldn't be an issue but I don't like getting popup reminders about the update. I've searched around but haven't found this issue and am hoping I don't have to reflash the stock rom to update again, I'd also like to keep all my stuff you know. Hopefully someone knows a solution. Sorry if this is dumb
iamheero said:
So I've rooted (the day it came out, so before the first update) and can't update anymore. It'll fail when attempting and reboot me. It wouldn't be an issue but I don't like getting popup reminders about the update. I've searched around but haven't found this issue and am hoping I don't have to reflash the stock rom to update again, I'd also like to keep all my stuff you know. Hopefully someone knows a solution. Sorry if this is dumb
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Unroot, install update, reroot.
How to Unroot:
Thanks shabbypenguin for posting this.
You can manually unroot your Droid by using a root file manager program (such as root explorer) and mountsystem as R/W. Then delete the following:
/system/app/Superuser.apk
/system/bin/su
and if it has it
/system/xbin/su
EdwardN said:
Unroot, install update, reroot.
How to Unroot:
Thanks shabbypenguin for posting this.
You can manually unroot your Droid by using a root file manager program (such as root explorer) and mountsystem as R/W. Then delete the following:
/system/app/Superuser.apk
/system/bin/su
and if it has it
/system/xbin/su
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Thanks! Unfortunately, it still fails about 10% of the way through the update. Since JB just came out I'll have to just flash to stock completely and try updating legitimately, then rooting it again, I guess.
iamheero said:
Thanks! Unfortunately, it still fails about 10% of the way through the update. Since JB just came out I'll have to just flash to stock completely and try updating legitimately, then rooting it again, I guess.
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You may have solved this problem already but did you try using voodoo root keeper? It's a pretty straight forward way of backing up the root, unrooting to install the update, then rerooting when the update is installed.
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Were you successful?
iamheero said:
Thanks! Unfortunately, it still fails about 10% of the way through the update. Since JB just came out I'll have to just flash to stock completely and try updating legitimately, then rooting it again, I guess.
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I'm running into the same problem. Did the flash back to stock and subsequent update to JB work for you? If so, were can I download the stock OS?
mmettlen said:
I'm running into the same problem. Did the flash back to stock and subsequent update to JB work for you? If so, were can I download the stock OS?
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Hey there, I had the same problem. Rooted, unrooted, frozen, deleted, restored, couldn't get anything to get JB to work. Eventually just gave up and flashed to stock. Used the amazing Utility presented here
just make sure to gain root access before going to the JB update. there is no present method for getting root on fresh phone with JB update.

SU Binary problem

Hello,
When I try to open SuperSU, I get this error, 'There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU cannot install it. This is a problem!'
I do not know what to do.
Can anyone please help me with this?
Thanks
.::Ash::. said:
Hello,
When I try to open SuperSU, I get this error, 'There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU cannot install it. This is a problem!'
I do not know what to do.
Can anyone please help me with this?
Thanks
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hmm. what did u use to flash to get root?
.::Ash::. said:
Hello,
When I try to open SuperSU, I get this error, 'There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU cannot install it. This is a problem!'
I do not know what to do.
Can anyone please help me with this?
Thanks
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Did you try running the motochopper or the Xperia_L_Root script again?
Delete SuperSU and maybe try again. And please tell if any errors occurred during the running of the script(s).
allenwalker1998 said:
hmm. what did u use to flash to get root?
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I just used the Xperia L root script by Ishant
dj2tusk said:
Did you try running the motochopper or the Xperia_L_Root script again?
Delete SuperSU and maybe try again. And please tell if any errors occurred during the running of the script(s).
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I did root once again using Xperia_L_Root script and before doing that I had uninstalled SuperSU.
Also, there was a problem while rooting. The script said 'Failure' somewhere but still it continued and also said the Exploits were pushed successfully
.::Ash::. said:
I just used the Xperia L root script by Ishant
I did root once again using Xperia_L_Root script and before doing that I had uninstalled SuperSU.
Also, there was a problem while rooting. The script said 'Failure' somewhere but still it continued and also said the Exploits were pushed successfully
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Mind sending in a screenshot?
.::Ash::. said:
I just used the Xperia L root script by Ishant
I did root once again using Xperia_L_Root script and before doing that I had uninstalled SuperSU.
Also, there was a problem while rooting. The script said 'Failure' somewhere but still it continued and also said the Exploits were pushed successfully
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Have u tried using motochopper only?
Update SU from play store (don't open yet) and install Busybox. After installing busybox, open SU. SU will recognize busybox and install the binaries!
If this dosen't work then use motochopper again.
I just ran that script once again, it works now. Thanks
Use Backup TA
.::Ash::. said:
I just ran that script once again, it works now. Thanks
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To get full root access backup your TA and unlock your bootloader/flash Extended Stock kernel and get full root access. for more visit my thread about flashtool unlock/relock bootloader or this thread of Rachit.
Press thanks if i could help you. :highfive::fingers-crossed:
Navneet Suresh said:
To get full root access backup your TA and unlock your bootloader/flash Extended Stock kernel and get full root access. for more visit my thread about flashtool unlock/relock bootloader or this thread of Rachit.
Press thanks if i could help you. :highfive::fingers-crossed:
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Thanks for the suggestion mate but I'll be unlocking my bootloader once we get CWM
welcome
.::Ash::. said:
Thanks for the suggestion mate but I'll be unlocking my bootloader once we get CWM
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:highfive::good:
Navneet Suresh said:
To get full root access backup your TA and unlock your bootloader/flash Extended Stock kernel and get full root access. for more visit my thread about flashtool unlock/relock bootloader or this thread of Rachit.
Press thanks if i could help you. :highfive::fingers-crossed:
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Guys Need some help here,,,,,,,,,
I was an A$$ to do this i already had my phone rooted by the Xperia_L_Root app and my bootloader was locked
But something came onto my mind and i became greedy of the new OTA that came so i tried to unroot my phone by deleting the SU BAckup with OTA rootkeeper and i also did a full data reset of the phone assuming that by doing this i can easily update the firmware,,, but i was wrong..
The firmware was not updated and now i have a confused situation
I tried to root again with the same app Xperia_L_Root and at the end it said root successful but when i opened Su i received a prompt saying that Su There is no su binary installed.and su cannot install this I have attached the screen shot and then i tried to install busy box but i failed i have attached a screen shot of this
Now How can i root my phone,,,,,,,,,,,Please Help
try
neville20_dabreo said:
Guys Need some help here,,,,,,,,,
I was an A$$ to do this i already had my phone rooted by the Xperia_L_Root app and my bootloader was locked
But something came onto my mind and i became greedy of the new OTA that came so i tried to unroot my phone by deleting the SU BAckup with OTA rootkeeper and i also did a full data reset of the phone assuming that by doing this i can easily update the firmware,,, but i was wrong..
The firmware was not updated and now i have a confused situation
I tried to root again with the same app Xperia_L_Root and at the end it said root successful but when i opened Su i received a prompt saying that Su There is no su binary installed.and su cannot install this I have attached the screen shot and then i tried to install busy box but i failed i have attached a screen shot of this
Now How can i root my phone,,,,,,,,,,,Please Help
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Try 4 - 5 times and Go to debugging settings turn on these ones & then try again :
Stay awake, Mock locations and USB debugging on
Solved
Navneet Suresh said:
Try 4 - 5 times and Go to debugging settings turn on these ones & then try again :
Stay awake, Mock locations and USB debugging on
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Hey Navneet thanx,,,,,, The problem is solved.... Here are the steps that i followed
uninstalled super user from my device
rooted the phone with motochooper
Installed superSu (when you root with motochopper you will already have super user installed on your device but the binaries were not installed so instead what i did was installed SuperSu of chanfire so that i will get a conflict message and the chainfire will unstall the default super user and update the binaries for me.
And Bingo! Luckily it worked...............
neville20_dabreo said:
Hey Navneet thanx,,,,,, The problem is solved.... Here are the steps that i followed
uninstalled super user from my device
rooted the phone with motochooper
Installed superSu (when you root with motochopper you will already have super user installed on your device but the binaries were not installed so instead what i did was installed SuperSu of chanfire so that i will get a conflict message and the chainfire will unstall the default super user and update the binaries for me.
And Bingo! Luckily it worked...............
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Welcome glad to help
Almost the same problem as above but not really
Hello guys! My name is Vlad, this is my first post here and this is my first time trying to root a phone. I got a little problem so I would really appreciate if you could guide me a bit step by step out of it.
I have a Sony Xperia L phone and I have tried to root it using an app that uses Motochopper exploit, downloaded from this link:
htt p:// ww w.4shared.com/zip/6WyYYjpCce/Xperia_L_ROOT .html
delete the spaces in order for the link to work. Sorry for not respecting the rule but there would be no other way to show what I used
It seems to work but I have an error that occurs at the end:
"Rooting phone...
This may take a few minutes.
Failure.
Cleaning up...
Exploit complete.
Press enter to reboot and exit."
I have tried the ideas mentioned until now: reboot, reinstall, update, etc. but nothing seems to work. Any idea to help me please?
P.S. I am not trying to offend anyone by saying this but if I need to use some program to install something complicate please explain me as I am a beginner into this.
Thank you!
vlad.nitu said:
Hello guys! My name is Vlad, this is my first post here and this is my first time trying to root a phone. I got a little problem so I would really appreciate if you could guide me a bit step by step out of it.
I have a Sony Xperia L phone and I have tried to root it using an app that uses Motochopper exploit, downloaded from this link:
htt p:// ww w.4shared.com/zip/6WyYYjpCce/Xperia_L_ROOT .html
delete the spaces in order for the link to work. Sorry for not respecting the rule but there would be no other way to show what I used
It seems to work but I have an error that occurs at the end:
"Rooting phone...
This may take a few minutes.
Failure.
Cleaning up...
Exploit complete.
Press enter to reboot and exit."
I have tried the ideas mentioned until now: reboot, reinstall, update, etc. but nothing seems to work. Any idea to help me please?
P.S. I am not trying to offend anyone by saying this but if I need to use some program to install something complicate please explain me as I am a beginner into this.
Thank you!
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Check this out mate, it might help you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307983
I have the same problem.
DeviousFusion said:
Did you try running the motochopper or the Xperia_L_Root script again?
Delete SuperSU and maybe try again. And please tell if any errors occurred during the running of the script(s).
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I have rooted the phone two times and also lost my TA partition what to do senior members please. Reply is their any way out my phone is misbehaving no WhatsApp updates downloading problem etc
mohammadsufiankhan said:
I have rooted the phone two times and also lost my TA partition what to do senior members please. Reply is their any way out my phone is misbehaving no WhatsApp updates downloading problem etc
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There is no way you can get back TA partition if you lost the backup too. But its just for some warranty and DRM purposes. It shouldn't affect the user experience in general. As for Whatsapp and other updates, its completely unrelated to rooting or TA partition.
DeviousFusion said:
There is no way you can get back TA partition if you lost the backup too. But its just for some warranty and DRM purposes. It shouldn't affect the user experience in general. As for Whatsapp and other updates, its completely unrelated to rooting or TA partition.
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Thank you very much and what about the dual root I have done. Can I update to lollipop without any problems because of these two roots and my su binary. Problem no binary what to do thanks again please reply

[Q] Problem with root access PLEASE HELP!!!

Ok so one day my phone is all nice and dandy, rooted as a tree, and then I go to Advence Freeze an app, and Rom Toolbox Pro tells me I no longer have root access. So I go into Titanium backup and it says the same thing. For total verification, I go to Terminal Emulator, and the "su" command gives me a "not granted" response. So while I had root yesterday, for some reason I don't have it today. The thing I'm worried about most is that I did absolutely nothing in the meantime. The phone hadn't restarted in 3 days so that wasn't it. And all I did before it unrooted itself iis use the Inkpad Notepad app, and the Boat Browser app. I didn't touch a single thing that could possibly mess something up. Root hasn't always been very "observable" on my phone. After about a week after rooting it, Superuser stopped asking me if I wanted to allow or deny new apps. But all my root apps still worked. I run no special rom, just stock 4.1.2. I have SafeStrap Bootloader installed for backups as well. I downloaded Motochopper to try to reroot my phone just a few minutes ago and the exploit ran flawlessly. No errors whatsoever. When it booted up, still no root access. To be more specific, Voodoo OTA Root Keeper tells me the device is rooted, but without root access. I also have a root backup made with that program. Can someone please tell me how to fix this because the thought of a "normal" phone is making me depressed :crying:.
Try updating your SU and see if that does anything.
RikRong said:
Try updating your SU and see if that does anything.
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The only way I could think of doing that is from the superuser app (if you mean update the binaries) and I already tried. It fails at "gettingroot access".
miapuffia said:
The only way I could think of doing that is from the superuser app (if you mean update the binaries) and I already tried. It fails at "gettingroot access".
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Yeah, that's what I meant. Hmmm...
RikRong said:
Yeah, that's what I meant. Hmmm...
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Perhaps I could backup my data using SafeStrap TWRP, download stock rooted 4.3 (which I wanted since it came out), install it to rom slot 2 using SafeStrap, and then restore my data! Where's my nobel prize? lol Would that work?
miapuffia said:
Perhaps I could backup my data using SafeStrap TWRP, download stock rooted 4.3 (which I wanted since it came out), install it to rom slot 2 using SafeStrap, and then restore my data! Where's my nobel prize? lol Would that work?
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There is no stock 4.3 ROM for us. The highest stock version would be 4.1.2. You can get CM10.2 that is vanilla AOSP, but I don't know if it would boot on SS.
RikRong said:
There is no stock 4.3 ROM for us. The highest stock version would be 4.1.2. You can get CM10.2 that is vanilla AOSP, but I don't know if it would boot on SS.
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I see. That's why my rooted 4.3 search came up.blank. I don't mind trying CM. I tried to SS install it previously but it failed (kinda). But now that I think about it I definitely installed the wrong version. As long as I can restore my data to CM I don't mind trying it. Can I get 4.1.2, root it, and then restore data? But wait, I know my bro has 4.3 rooted he used temp unroot -> update -> restore root. Can I do that? In case you didn't notice I'm new to this :/

[Q] Samsung Galaxy S5 on Verizon stuck on 4.4.2? Root problems....

Hi! I'm new here... Hope I'm in the right place, but I've been having problems with my GS5. I rooted it using towelroot about 3 months ago which was successful, then a Verizon system software update was pushed and installed to my phone, and that somehow installed fine, but now root checker says my phone isn't rooted and towelroot says my phone isn't supported... For months now my phone has been trying to install the 4.4.4 update with no luck, when it reboots and is in the middle of installing with the little android dude with his chest open, it says 'error'. Has there been a fix or way around this? Any way I can completely factory wipe everything?
rswans said:
Hi! I'm new here... Hope I'm in the right place, but I've been having problems with my GS5. I rooted it using towelroot about 3 months ago which was successful, then a Verizon system software update was pushed and installed to my phone, and that somehow installed fine, but now root checker says my phone isn't rooted and towelroot says my phone isn't supported... For months now my phone has been trying to install the 4.4.4 update with no luck, when it reboots and is in the middle of installing with the little android dude with his chest open, it says 'error'. Has there been a fix or way around this? Any way I can completely factory wipe everything?
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Verizon may of patched the towelroot exploit with the new update. Have you tried posting this in the VZW S5 forums?
From my CM11 S3
Towel root is dead for firmwares newer than June 2014. You can try chainfire for root. If t he 4.4.4 firmware isn't updating, try flashing with Odin.
chaostic_2k1 said:
Towel root is dead for firmwares newer than June 2014. You can try chainfire for root. If t he 4.4.4 firmware isn't updating, try flashing with Odin.
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Thanks for chiming in but I basically said that already. There's no need to duplicate it. You won't be able to run supersu for root as you can't flash any zip files on a locked bootloader
From my CM11 S3
Thanks for replying but I basically gave OP actual useful answers to his direct question.
chaostic_2k1 said:
Thanks for replying but I basically gave OP actual useful answers to his direct question.
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As did I
From my CM11 S3
ShapesBlue said:
As did I
From my CM11 S3
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Sure you did
chaostic_2k1 said:
Sure you did
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I explained a different perspective and I didn't question what you said. Let's just leave it at that
From my CM11 S3
rswans said:
Hi! I'm new here... Hope I'm in the right place, but I've been having problems with my GS5. I rooted it using towelroot about 3 months ago which was successful, then a Verizon system software update was pushed and installed to my phone, and that somehow installed fine, but now root checker says my phone isn't rooted and towelroot says my phone isn't supported... For months now my phone has been trying to install the 4.4.4 update with no luck, when it reboots and is in the middle of installing with the little android dude with his chest open, it says 'error'. Has there been a fix or way around this? Any way I can completely factory wipe everything?
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Its too bad there is not a way to block any updates.. These companies want to control all we see and do on our devices. I have made the decision to dump my smart phone.I am going to get a flip phone and only use for phone calls.

SuperSU remains on phone after system update but cannot be accessed or deleted

I used a root explorer to access the file, it says it can't be deleted because it's read only. Going to superSU on the play store shows that it is installed and shows no option to uninstall. What do I do.
bududubdubdubs said:
I used a root explorer to access the file, it says it can't be deleted because it's read only. Going to superSU on the play store shows that it is installed and shows no option to uninstall. What do I do.
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hello bududubdubdubs it would be easier to fix your problem if you tell me some details :-
1. mobile brand and model
2. native and upgraded android os
3. the software that you rooted the phone with
Sorry, it's a verizon lg g3. Updated from 4.4.3 (I think) to 5.0.1 and rooted with the one-click root.
bududubdubdubs said:
Sorry, it's a verizon lg g3. Updated from 4.4.3 (I think) to 5.0.1 and rooted with the one-click root.
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Reroot your device and then uninstall it from within the super su menu.
Newyork! said:
Reroot your device and then uninstall it from within the super su menu.
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Can't, root process goes through and says it's completed but when I go to SuperSU it still says binary isn't installed.
bududubdubdubs said:
Can't, root process goes through and says it's completed but when I go to SuperSU it still says binary isn't installed.
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How many times did you try the one click method? I sometimes need to re run it a few times.
You can also try the manual method.
Newyork! said:
How many times did you try the one click method? I sometimes need to re run it a few times.
You can also try the manual method.
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I tried the one click way like 10 times. The first time I rooted it it worked on the first time, but since the update I have not been able to re-root it. I guess I'll try the manual way.
bududubdubdubs said:
I tried the one click way like 10 times. The first time I rooted it it worked on the first time, but since the update I have not been able to re-root it. I guess I'll try the manual way.
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Good luck. wish ya all the best. Btw i once saw here that someone reported that he managed to root the G3 with kingroot...
Is ioroot the manual way? Because if it is it doesn't work on my version firmware.
Newyork! said:
Good luck. wish ya all the best. Btw i once saw here that someone reported that he managed to root the G3 with kingroot...
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I tried kingroot, didn't work at all.

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