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a few questions for nexus s users

currently i have i8000 and i'd like to buy an android phone. my favourite is nexus s (i am also considering an atrix 4G, but it's more expensive than nexus s - about 25%, and it's much harder to find where i live).
i have a few questions for nexus s users:
-how are you satisfied with your battery life, can it last the whole day with moderate use (1-2 hours wi-fi, 1-2 hours video, half an hour- 1 hour gaming, a little bit reading, a few short calls)?
-how does it work with graphically intensive games like shadowgun, backstab, 9mm...?
-can you normally play tegra games with chainfire, how is the performance?
-can you play mpg, flv, mkv videos?
-any other comment/opinion will be greatly appreciated.
thanks in advance.

-how does it work with graphically intensive games like shadowgun, backstab, 9mm...?
working with nice fps.. without laggs..

pike888 said:
currently i have i8000 and i'd like to buy an android phone. my favourite is nexus s (i am also considering an atrix 4G, but it's more expensive than nexus s - about 25%, and it's much harder to find where i live).
i have a few questions for nexus s users:
-how are you satisfied with your battery life, can it last the whole day with moderate use (1-2 hours wi-fi, 1-2 hours video, half an hour- 1 hour gaming, a little bit reading, a few short calls)?
-how does it work with graphically intensive games like shadowgun, backstab, 9mm...?
-can you normally play tegra games with chainfire, how is the performance?
-can you play mpg, flv, mkv videos?
-any other comment/opinion will be greatly appreciated.
thanks in advance.
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It does all that, except maybe mkv playback (depends on quality).
But, if you don't have it yet, then don't buy it. I see no reason why you would get this phone in this day and age.
Most of us here have it for more than a half a year, when it was still competitive.
Now you could easily get a dual core phone for a reasonable price. Event the Galaxy S Plus would be a better choice.
Just saying... This phone is almost dead. It's towards the end of it's support period from Google, which hasn't been great so far and it's just hardware. It gets old.

marcelnn said:
It does all that, except maybe mkv playback (depends on quality).
But, if you don't have it yet, then don't buy it. I see no reason why you would get this phone in this day and age.
Most of us here have it for more than a half a year, when it was still competitive.
Now you could easily get a dual core phone for a reasonable price. Event the Galaxy S Plus would be a better choice.
Just saying... This phone is almost dead. It's towards the end of it's support period from Google, which hasn't been great so far and it's just hardware. It gets old.
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well, if it does all that it's good enough for me.
for various factors (price, availability, me not wanting an amoled screen), my choice is limited to these:
-nexus s - for now, it's more likely my next phone
-optimus 2x - horrible battery life
-incredible s - seems fine, but as i read, nexus s is a little better (and cheaper)
-se xperia arc - similar to incredible s
-atrix 4g - nice, but most expensive of the bunch, and pretty hard to find

there are many video apks, free and paid, that play mkv video files.

Nexus s
Battery life is good, it last a whole day with a moderate use if u use a custom rom+kernel (my case).
Performance is very nice for a single-core smartphone, it runs gta3, asphalt 6, 9mm, nfs shift, and overs very smoothly.
In general i'm really enjoying the nexus s.

-how are you satisfied with your battery life, can it last the whole day with moderate use (1-2 hours wi-fi, 1-2 hours video, half an hour- 1 hour gaming, a little bit reading, a few short calls)?
-how does it work with graphically intensive games like shadowgun, backstab, 9mm...?
-can you normally play tegra games with chainfire, how is the performance?
-can you play mpg, flv, mkv videos?
-any other comment/opinion will be greatly appreciated.
1- I am satisfied with the battery life! but I would recommend rooting the nexuss and flash a new rom where you can customize the cpu and voltge.
2/3/4-I don't have a lot of games but for playing movies and videos it work great!
I just bought mine last month and I am very satisfied specially coming from an iphone 3gs!

Root it and it turns into a baby galaxy nexus
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk

i've had a chance to try nexus s, and i wasn't impressed.
the phone isn't rooted, runs ics, everything is on stock.
-i tried browsing the web, and it was pretty fine.
-720p .mkv video (in mx player) is too choppy to watch.
-i downloaded two free games from the market - asphalt 6 and gameloft real football 2012.
asphalt 6 lags like hell. it was a slideshow, not more than 2FPS.
real football 2012 worked significantly better, but it wasn't playable too; every few seconds it slows down, and after a second or two, it starts working normally.
would rooting/custom rom&kernel improve situation significantly?

For graphic intensive games, my nexus s ran shadowgun, backstab, gta3, and samurai2. Except for gta3, they all run without a hiccup and damn smooth. But I've had some hiccups with gta3. Also running a custom rom and custom kernel is much more better than stock in every way.
PS : For videos try "Dice player" in market. It is the best video player for nexus s and even the dev of diceplayer owns nexus s.
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pike888 said:
i've had a chance to try nexus s, and i wasn't impressed.
the phone isn't rooted, runs ics, everything is on stock.
-i tried browsing the web, and it was pretty fine.
-720p .mkv video (in mx player) is too choppy to watch.
-i downloaded two free games from the market - asphalt 6 and gameloft real football 2012.
asphalt 6 lags like hell. it was a slideshow, not more than 2FPS.
real football 2012 worked significantly, but it wasn't playable too; every few seconds it slows down, and after a second or two, it starts working normally.
would rooting/custom rom&kernel improve situation significantly?
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Asphalt 6 runs smooth as butter on my stock 2.3.6. Something is horribly wrong with the phone you used.
I also recently got a "new" nexus S and I dont see anything wrong with it. No dual core phone was near the price and in my opinion nexus S is better than the likes of incredible S, xperia arc etc.

and what do you think could be wrong with the phone i tried?
it couldn't be faulty hardware, right?

good phone
It's definitely a good phone for games. You can run games like asphalt 6, GTA 3, NFS or Counter strike portable whith high FPS (45-55). About the game 9mm, I wasn't able to play it because it was with to much lag, so much lag that was impossible to play. I'm in stock ICS. I do recomend that you buy a dual core phone if you're a gamming guy.

Today I had some stutters in Asphalt 6 so maybe it has something to do with background processes. My homescreen had certainly grown with more widgets since the last time I played it.
But I agree if you are very serious about gaming then you may wanna consider something better. What I can tell you is that if nexus S cant play something smoothly then neither would any other single core phone since we have the best GPU of all single core phones.
You could look into samsung galaxy R or the upcoming galaxy S advance. Both phones have one weird limitation with gaming, you can only use 3.5GB for storage of games so you could potentially only have 4-5 HD games before that space maxes out doesnt matter if you have 32GB card. You have to root the phone to bypass this limitation.

Gambler_3 said:
Today I had some stutters in Asphalt 6 so maybe it has something to do with background processes. My homescreen had certainly grown with more widgets since the last time I played it.
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I have the same experience, runs very smooth when i turn off al other apps and widgets

Don't use the market version of asphalt 6. Use the tegra 2 version instead coz I didn't get intensive lag afterwards.

PiPo M9 Review / Discussion

Rooting instructions:
Type into google:
HTML:
site:pipo.cn upgrading procedure
Design and feel:
The tablet feels great, its one of the lightest tablets out on the market, only being beaten by the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2, the build quality is great despite the weight, it feels solid, doesn’t bend under tension and is in my opinion one of the best Chinese tablets build quality wise.
One negative note is that the speakers are on the back and sometimes you can accidently put your hands over them, or have them facing down on a table and therefore sound isn’t as loud, but once the speakers aren’t covered they are one of the best quality speakers on the market.
In my opinion I don’t really like the design on the back, though my PiPo M9 will be in a fulltime case when it arrives. Its just a personal opinion as I’m not a fan of the Toshiba like backing.
Gaming:
Gaming is great overall, I tested apps such as Citadel, Real Racing 3, Bejeweled, Temple run 2 etc. I didn’t notice any lag in the actual gameplay while playing, but I did notice some lag which wasn’t noticeable to the normal person on the cut scenes of Real Racing 3, which only lasted about half a second, and were fixed once I rooted the device and overclocked it a bit.
Web browsing / PDF browsing:
Web browsing is pretty fast and snappy, but most of it is dependent on your internet speeds. Websites such as cnn.com loaded fine, zooming in and out there was no lag, watching online videos no lag, but some poorly coded websites like perthnow.com struggled, but this would have been the same on every single tablet.
PDF browsing is also lag free apart from zooming in really far, where it takes a second to focus the text so it looks crisp. This wouldn’t be an issue on a high resolution screen like the Nexus 10 or iPad 4, but for the price is pretty good. I’m not sure why you would be zooming in that much in real life though.
Battery life:
Generally the battery has been one of the impressive sides of this tablet. With wifi off, it loses about 1% every 8 hours on standby, with wireless on while in standby it loses about 5-10% every 8 hours. My first day with the tablet doing benchmarks and other stuff, after about 4-6 hours it was only down to about 45% which is pretty impressive. There was no issue with drainage etc. but bare in mind I’m on the newer March 19 firmware.
Android Experience:
Its snappy, works great. I used the Nova Launcher on mine as I was sick of clicking the top right corner to get to the list of apps. Most apps work great, I rooted the device so I could download mobile apps, as there still isn’t much tablet made apps or websites in general.
Price:
$250 for a quad core, 2GB ram, semi high resolution screen? This tablet is defiantly a good buy, and beats most tablets out there on the market. It will shine past high resolution tablets such as the Onda V972 which lags in HD mode and its only real competition is past the $300 mark.
Overall:
8/10 – A great buy for the price. A 10.1 inch quad core 2Gb tablet, what more could you ask for? Though 1 wish is that I hope 4.2 Android comes out with the new tablet features. Camera shouldn’t be an issue as most phone camera beat the tablets out there anyways.
It’s a great buy for almost everyone, but I wouldn’t recommend buying it for a geek or a tech savvy person as they will quickly pick up the small amounts of lag which might happen, which isn’t just isolated to this device.
Good points:
Minimalistic design
Great speakers
Android 4.1.1 Jellybean
Fast and responsive
Bad points:
Poor camera quality
Speakers on the back
If you're interested in where I bought my tablet from its from spemall
If you have any questions, or tests you would like me to do, please don't hesitate to ask and when I have time I will do those tests.

Hi. What speed do you overclock it to and what app do you use to overclock it? Are you using the stock firmware, only rooted?
I've seen some video showing it lagging in Real Racing 3, worse than the Onda V972 which has a larger resolution albeit with more powerful GPU. You said you do not experience any lag in gameplay?
If you have the time, maybe post some benchmark score of Antutu and 3DMark

spectra9 said:
Hi. What speed do you overclock it to and what app do you use to overclock it? Are you using the stock firmware, only rooted?
I've seen some video showing it lagging in Real Racing 3, worse than the Onda V972 which has a larger resolution albeit with more powerful GPU. You said you do not experience any lag in gameplay?
If you have the time, maybe post some benchmark score of Antutu and 3DMark
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I actually have it on 1.6ghz using rom toolbox or something. I'm using the 19th of March firmware.
I noticed lag on the cut scenes of Real Racing 3 which wasn't an issue when I changed the CPU to performance instead of on demand. But the actual driving gameplay is no lag, but sometimes the cutscenes have lag... but thats mainly because real racing 3 is badly coded.
thlmobile said:
A little expensive, I in this site bicgate.com buy a quad-core tablet, spent only $ 120, up to now have not any problems,I am very satisfied.
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Strong advertising your website blatantly.

Jerry158 said:
I actually have it on 1.6ghz using rom toolbox or something. I'm using the 19th of March firmware.
I noticed lag on the cut scenes of Real Racing 3 which wasn't an issue when I changed the CPU to performance instead of on demand. But the actual driving gameplay is no lag, but sometimes the cutscenes have lag... but thats mainly because real racing 3 is badly coded.
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Thanks for the info. So changing the governor to performance is enough to make it run smoother. Have you tried actually overclocking it just for kicks? . IIRC, the RK3188 is initially rated at 1.8 GHz
I'm very interested in buying this tablet, but rather concerned about the initial performance review. I realize RR3 is not a good benchmark, but seeing some tablets using the Exynos 4412, which use the same Mali GPU with lower clock can run RR3 better makes me a bit worried. Hopefully it'll get better as the firmware matures.
Anyway, just saw that JB 4.2 update is in the works at http://blog.geekbuying.com/, interesting

spectra9 said:
Thanks for the info. So changing the governor to performance is enough to make it run smoother. Have you tried actually overclocking it just for kicks? . IIRC, the RK3188 is initially rated at 1.8 GHz
I'm very interested in buying this tablet, but rather concerned about the initial performance review. I realize RR3 is not a good benchmark, but seeing some tablets using the Exynos 4412, which use the same Mali GPU with lower clock can run RR3 better makes me a bit worried. Hopefully it'll get better as the firmware matures.
Anyway, just saw that JB 4.2 update is in the works at
Great news about 4.2! Yeh, RR3 is poorly optimized and coded for MOST devices... the Exynos 4412 is a popular Samsung CPU used in its tablets which is why RR3 runs better on that... because its optmized for it... (the amount of Samsung users who would be mad - haha). So yeh, its not because its a bad CPU, its bad relative to the popular ones which most games are optimized for.
Waiting for a custom kernel to come out before overclocking.
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Jerry158 said:
Great news about 4.2! Yeh, RR3 is poorly optimized and coded for MOST devices... the Exynos 4412 is a popular Samsung CPU used in its tablets which is why RR3 runs better on that... because its optmized for it... (the amount of Samsung users who would be mad - haha). So yeh, its not because its a bad CPU, its bad relative to the popular ones which most games are optimized for.
Waiting for a custom kernel to come out before overclocking.
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What's strange to me is, the RK3188 beats the Exynos hands down in both CPU and GPU department. I'm no expert on this but, just by comparing raw power, the RK3188 should beat the exynos in every apps. I think Samsung just got a much more mature and solid firmware at this point

I'm waiting for a group buy to end to acquire one of these tablets.
I have a question regarding the screen performance while in the street with day light. How does it behave?
Is it like most smartphones that when we step outside we can see a thing?
I have seen many reviews but non speaks about this...

Djuganight said:
I'm waiting for a group buy to end to acquire one of these tablets.
I have a question regarding the screen performance while in the street with day light. How does it behave?
Is it like most smartphones that when we step outside we can see a thing?
I have seen many reviews but non speaks about this...
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Its pretty standard with mobiles... on brightest setting, in direct sunlight, like every other device you won't be able to see much.

With Samsung's and HTC's mobiles this doesn't happen...

I'm a bit disappointed with these Android compilation they install in Pipo M9.
It’s missing a ton of features that are native of Android ICS and JB.
For example:
1. Shortcut widgets from pull down menu should work to turn on/off the respective features.
Instead when clicked they take us to settings.
2. We should also be able to select, add or remove which widgets to show in that “pull down” menu.
We don't have this option
3. No Auto rotation on home screens with native launcher.
With 3rd party launcher this is possible....
4. Using the native launcher, not possible do we add/remove home screens?
Actually the native launcher does not allow a single customization!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5. Native camera app is extremely poor and almost don't have any options.
Also, no option to choose where to save the photos and videos, such as on External SD Card.
6. No battery percentage icon as alternative as we have natively in ICS and JB roms.
7. On look screen the slide to unlock feature only allow the option to unlock.
In ICS and JB this "circle" has more options and in some cases we can also customize it. Here is just to unlock.
8. Honestly I just can't understand the system folder hierarchy nor the files and their settings, therefore I tried to do some changes and just don't know what to do. I do some MOD and DEV with Huawei and Samsung but this **** I never see!!
And so on and so on and so on....
Overall I'm extremely happy with the tablet but completely disappointed with this ****y and completely Android firmware they have INVENTED to install in this tablet.
This screems for real Dev works

Good for the girls

thlmobile said:
There have been reports PiPo M9 launch the white version.
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Can you send a picture?

Augustine02 said:
Can you send a picture?
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Just found it here

I've had this tablet for a good 3+ months now and so far no issues. I have rooted the phone following the process the OP mentioned above (Pipo instructions on how to upgrade firmware) and used this firmware (JB 4.2.2) ---> M9 software_english version_20130529（no need key); it's actually the third link posted.
I also have Nova Launcher and I will have to say the price I paid for it is very much well worth it. It's actually bang for the buck one of the best out there. It's one of the few Chinese tablets with (as of now) with bluetooth and a pseudo GPS (E-Compass). The OTG function also gives it 3G capability among other things.
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Here's the instructions on how to upgrade the firmware straight from the Pipo Website:
Upgrading Procedure
I personally used moborobo to download and install all the drivers you need in order to root it properly, then I followed the instructions given above.

looks good but for a 10" would like a higher resolution screen, although that brings other issues like higher power consumption for the screen, and requiring a faster GPU which again uses more power.

Berties123 said:
looks good but for a 10" would like a higher resolution screen, although that brings other issues like higher power consumption for the screen, and requiring a faster GPU which again uses more power.
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I use my Pipo M9 a lot for reading e-books and watching videos and it's actually very good. I was on the fence for the same reasons you bring up; but seriously for the size, the resolution is good enough. Technically a 10" screen with a 720p resolution is good enough since I also game and I know that a 1080p screen on a 24" is good enough as well. I also know that anything higher than 24"; 1200p and 1440p are the best options, but that's another topic all together.
Of course, this is just my opinion and everyone will have their preference.

DOVahFeyN said:
I've had this tablet for a good 3+ months now and so far no issues. I have rooted the phone following the process the OP mentioned above (Pipo instructions on how to upgrade firmware) and used this firmware (JB 4.2.2) ---> M9 software_english version_20130529（no need key); it's actually the third link posted.
I also have Nova Launcher and I will have to say the price I paid for it is very much well worth it. It's actually bang for the buck one of the best out there. It's one of the few Chinese tablets with (as of now) with bluetooth and a pseudo GPS (E-Compass). The OTG function also gives it 3G capability among other things.
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Here's the instructions on how to upgrade the firmware straight from the Pipo Website:
Upgrading Procedure
I personally used moborobo to download and install all the drivers you need in order to root it properly, then I followed the instructions given above.
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What is the e-compass that pipo so much talk about it?
Because gps= zero

I've a 3g Pipo M9 ,32gig and would love to know how to root it.
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Jerry158 said:
I actually have it on 1.6ghz using rom toolbox or something. I'm using the 19th of March firmware.
I noticed lag on the cut scenes of Real Racing 3 which wasn't an issue when I changed the CPU to performance instead of on demand. But the actual driving gameplay is no lag, but sometimes the cutscenes have lag... but thats mainly because real racing 3 is badly coded.
Strong advertising your website blatantly.
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You can't get a 2gig ram 32 gig rom tab with 3g sum card slot on your crappy site. BTW your add should be removed and a 2 week bar for your freaking abuse of the site
Sent from my N9500 using xda app-developers app

howard bamber said:
I've a 3g Pipo M9 ,32gig and would love to know how to root it.
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They way I did it was by flashing a pre-rooted rom (riley rom 1.7 with sdk 2.0). In the meantime, I had to ditch riley rom 1.7 and flashed riley rom 1.6 cause I had an annoying flickering display issue. With this rom, the issue is still there, but only occurs if I set brightness lower than 20 or 25%.
I honestly didn't keep the tablet with stock rom long enough to see if the flickering was already there... anyone else having flickering?
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santini069 said:
howard bamber said:
I've a 3g Pipo M9 ,32gig and would love to know how to root it.
Sent from my N9500 using xda app-developers app
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They way I did it was by flashing a pre-rooted rom (riley rom 1.7 with sdk 2.0). In the meantime, I had to ditch riley rom 1.7 and flashed riley rom 1.6 cause I had an annoying flickering display issue. With this rom, the issue is still there, but only occurs if I set brightness lower than 20 or 25%.
I honestly didn't keep the tablet with stock rom long enough to see if the flickering was already there... anyone else having flickering?
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I use Sumvision Cyclone Voyager 2 4.2 v1 (GB, Incl. Root) by Hejira , and the flickering issue is in alot of roms to be honest, at moment anything lower than 50% causes the flickering for me, but that aside , this is a fantastic tablet.
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[Q] Why is the Nexus so Slow.

The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
On digging futher. I traced the problem back to the speed governors and thermal management on the nexus 5.
There are quite a few articles discussing how the Note 3 CPU throttling differs from the Nexus 5.
Hell some benchmarks report that the nexus 5 is even slower than the nexus 4.1
WTF Google all this noise about Kit Kat and you get blwon out of the water by older slower phones.
Is there anyway for us to fix this.
Is there anyway for us to use and load the Note 3 system UI and Kernel on the nexus. As they both have identical CPU and GPU.
Please somebody come up with a fix for this.
I tried one of the Kernels on here that claimed to solve this problem But it resulted in frequent hangs and black screens.
Had to reload factory image just to boot.
Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.

Hi,
If your concern is only about bench, flash this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2537299, then take a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506965...
Stock is slow in bench (compared to other devices) right, but not in general UI...
For the other parts of your post... No comment . One thing is, I think, you should read and learn a bit more... and have a different approach in your reasoning...

I, on the other hand, will comment on your reasoning: you think that benchmarks show real life performance of a device? You have no idea what you're talking about, and exposing your ignorance in such a post is not very wise.
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So... Even when the phone performs extremely and blazing FAST (because it does and you know it) you are calling it slow because of benchmarks results. When, by the way, samsung CHEATS in benchmarks It's proven that they push the CPU and the GPU to clock speeds that are never used when you actually use the phone, and lock them there, but only during the benchmark. When you exit the benchmark, the phone returns to a normal state. That's called CHEATING you know.
https://www.google.es/search?q=sams...7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
And you want the sluggish samsung UI in your nexus? You, sir... You... No, I just can't understand you

benchmarks are not real life usage. I had to come to that same realization as well. Who cares if your phone can score 30k+ on antutu or whatever if it lags and stutters on anything else. What matters is all around scrolling fluency,speed of app open,performance in games etc. not a number on a list

LOL, this has to be trolling, you cannot be for real. Thanks for the good laugh :laugh:
If, by the slight chance you are serious, I must ask what apps, etc you use that are "slow" and/or causing lag??
What do you wish was faster?

Ha ha. Holiday chuckles. Thanks for this
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RonChinoy said:
The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
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Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks

Oh no....not again.

the nexus 5 in no way is slow. not even in benchmarks. maybe you dont know how to benchmark properly, maybe the reviews that you read the people dont know how to benchmark properly. but slow and nexus 5 do not go together. besides for benchmarks, which should mean absolutely nothing to you, its the fastest device out there in user experience as well, which is way more important than a benchmark.. oh, btw, i run my nexus 5 at 2880mhz without a single problem.
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I learned this too the Nexus 5 if you're on 100% Completely stock doesn't give its 100% percent effort
using an app such as System monitor with the floating window, my nexus 5 clocks @ 1.7ghz - 1.4Ghz and it only uses 2 cores for the entire benchmark
I look @ my cheating S3 and once i opened the app the CPU was reved up to 1.5Ghz and stayed like that entire benchmark

RonChinoy said:
The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
On digging futher. I traced the problem back to the speed governors and thermal management on the nexus 5.
There are quite a few articles discussing how the Note 3 CPU throttling differs from the Nexus 5.
Hell some benchmarks report that the nexus 5 is even slower than the nexus 4.1
WTF Google all this noise about Kit Kat and you get blwon out of the water by older slower phones.
Is there anyway for us to fix this.
Is there anyway for us to use and load the Note 3 system UI and Kernel on the nexus. As they both have identical CPU and GPU.
Please somebody come up with a fix for this.
I tried one of the Kernels on here that claimed to solve this problem But it resulted in frequent hangs and black screens.
Had to reload factory image just to boot.
Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.
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Yeah, I buy a phone to play benchmarks too! They're pretty fun... I can't enjoy my phone unless the numbers that benchmarks show me are higher than other peoples numbers.

If you didn't know already, other phones that aren't a nexus will automatically force the processor to run at max speed whenever a benchmark app is opened. Therefore, there is no throttling when the benchmark is running. On nexus devices it won't do that and it'll just regulate the processor speed according to what it needs (most of the time it won't even use all 4 cores). This is why other phones will seem to get a higher score than the n5 when it comes to benchmarks.

Ha... Obviously your OP is a joke. I gave my son my Note3 and had the S4 before that since it came out and I can assure you my Nexus5 is quicker in every way for day-to-day usage.
I'm not dogging the Samsung phones because they are awesome but your statement about the N5 being slower is false.
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mmmmBACON said:
Yeah, I buy a phone to play benchmarks too! They're pretty fun... I can't enjoy my phone unless the numbers that benchmarks show me are higher than other peoples numbers.
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Samezies

why caring so much about benchmarks?
the actually performance is great, i have no complaint

I can't believe that people are still getting hung up on benchmark scores. It's such a relic from the early days of Android when usability was terrible and pulling down 1000 on Quadrant actually kind of meant something. It's totally irrelevant now. Whenever I read a phone review on a mainstream tech site (other than AnandTech and Ars Technica) that goes into benchmark scores, I just want to puke because they place way too much emphasis on scores over usability.
Bottom line - the N5 is fast. Really fast. Period. I don't care if your benchmark scores are too low for your liking out of the box.

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Oh no....not again.
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First thank you to the first guy who responded with two helpful links.
The rest of the comments where childish and immature.
Must be an age thing. Im 45 and have been compiling linux kernels since the early 90s.
First off Samsung are not cheating. They sold you a phone rated to X Mhz. And when they detect a bench mark test they let you have that speed.
The only reason they can let you have that speed is because its a well designed phone. face it.
Their thermal management is better. Why are Nexus owners so anal ? About facing facts.
Its a bit like buying a car. You see the engine configuration. 4 LTR V8. 500 BHP.
But oh wait you really cant put your nexus on a Dyno. Because it wont be able to give you 500 BHP without blowing up. Or getting damaged cause its thermal management is so bad. I don think custom Roms or kernels are the solution. The real solution is better thermal management.
The Samsung on the other hand you can put on the Dyno. And it will show you 500 BHP. Oh wait thats a bad word here.
Nexus 4.1 outperforms it.
But I understand that this is a soft spot for you guys. So lets just compare the Nexus 5 to the Nexus 4.1.
The Nexus 4.1 is faster in some bench mark tests ?. I see no way in hell that should happen.
We are coming in 5th and 6th behind some really dated and slower phones.
Forget bench marks. I am seeing that my apps are slowing down because of the heat issue. Hell my old s2 could hold a better clip and run better. Without over heating and ****ting it self like this.
Glad to see in the links provided that some people at least have acknowledged what Im saying.
1. The Thermal Throttling on the N5 out of the box is absurd.
2. The Thermal management on the N5 is seriously lacking. This is the real issue. This is why they have to be absurd on the thermal throttling. Cause heat dissipation or the basic design is lacking.
What do I need the speed for ?. Well that is my business. Its a bit like asking what do you need 500 BHP for ?. I paid for it. Im expecting it.
And if you must know
I need to sample sensors, GPS and OBD data from a race car while shooting a video. And our in car Temps are over 60c.
And yes when you Quad core Snap dragon 800 is performing slower than a 4.1 Nexus 600. I think its an issue. Weather you want to accept it or not.
Glad to see some people have already accepted that we got short changed by Google or Nexus. And we have to now resort to bumming stuff off the Moto X is just hilarious. So much for having state of the art Kit Kat LOL. Now we have to start bumming files off the moto x. That was the low point for me.

I'm assuming you haven't found a fix/mod with N5 thermal management?
Would love to have an app that let me switch to performance mode so I can play games and watch 1080p 10bit videos without being throttled.

Momotani-Hitoshi said:
I'm assuming you haven't found a fix/mod with N5 thermal management?
Would love to have an app that let me switch to performance mode so I can play games and watch 1080p 10bit videos without being throttled.
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if you have root, jist disable it. many custom kernels allow for this.

Stuttering in games

Anyone notice that some graphic intensive games stutter? I'm not talking about framerate. This also happens on my Z2 tablet.
Running the games side by side my LG G2, The G2 is noticeably smoother. Running benchmarks side by side, The G2 is smoother again, but The Z3 scores higher.
Current games I'm playing are:
Riptide GP 2
Dead trigger 2
Slingshot Braves
Update 07/09/2016: I'm now using a Z5 and experiencing the same. My old LG G2 is smoother.

shilent said:
Anyone notice that some graphic intensive games stutter? I'm not talking about framerate. This also happens on my Z2 tablet.
Running the games side by side my LG G2, The G2 is noticeably smoother. Running benchmarks side by side, The G2 is smoother again, but The Z3 scores higher.
Current games I'm playing are:
Riptide GP 2
Dead trigger 2
Slingshot Braves
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I havnt had any prolems so far. Ive play asphault 8, modern combat and GTA pretty flawlessly. Are you using heavy launchers? I also use a taskmanager to close everything prior to gaming. (ive done this with all my devices not just my z3)

I'm using the default launcher.
I'll Try Asphalt 8 later today.
Thanks.
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Must say I have not noticed stuttering like you mention, I will also try Asphalt 8 and see how it fairs.
My bench marks 3d is smooth, and my device on Antutu tops the 3d default scores.
I have though made a couple of tweaks.
Here they are and see if it helps;
Go to settings, click about phone 10 times (or until you become a developer)
Go into developer options
Go down to Hardware-Accelerated rendering
Tick force GPU rendering
And Disable HW overlays.
See how you go after that.

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Must say I have not noticed stuttering like you mention, I will also try Asphalt 8 and see how it fairs.
My bench marks 3d is smooth, and my device on Antutu tops the 3d default scores.
I have though made a couple of tweaks.
Here they are and see if it helps;
Go to settings, click about phone 10 times (or until you become a developer)
Go into developer options
Go down to Hardware-Accelerated rendering
Tick force GPU rendering
And Disable HW overlays.
See how you go after that.
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Force GPU rendering and Disabling HW overlays did not make a difference.
I just tried Asphalt 8 on my Z3, Z2 tablet, and my fiance's Z3 compact, and it stutters like crazy. Much more than Riptide GP 2. Don't get me wrong, the games are playable, but much more enjoyable on my older LG G2.
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It could be heat or game related, My LG G2 never stuttered either and the Z3 for me has stuttered only in PlayStore of all places but a restart fixed that.

Hey mate i have been scouring the net for an answer to exactly the same problem you are having. Virtually every game has some intermittent stuttering which is pretty consistently occuring every few seconds so as you say games are very playable but dont feel smooth.
I have tried asphalt 8, zen pinball, Pinball Arcade , real racing 3 and none feel completely smooth. I thought maybe that real racing 3 may have been too graphically intense for the z3 but after reading so many reports from other z3 users on how good the game played on their phones it made me start looking for a solution. Pinball arcade and zen really sealed the deal for me about maybe something wasnt quite right though as these 2 games should pose absolutely no problem for any modern device (my vita vetsion side by side looks much smoother) but the ball will stutter every so often too.
If you find a solution i would really like to know what you did as i am new to android and everything ive read to try hasnt helped.

thedaz3000 said:
Hey mate i have been scouring the net for an answer to exactly the same problem you are having. Virtually every game has some intermittent stuttering which is pretty consistently occuring every few seconds so as you say games are very playable but dont feel smooth.
I have tried asphalt 8, zen pinball, Pinball Arcade , real racing 3 and none feel completely smooth. I thought maybe that real racing 3 may have been too graphically intense for the z3 but after reading so many reports from other z3 users on how good the game played on their phones it made me start looking for a solution. Pinball arcade and zen really sealed the deal for me about maybe something wasnt quite right though as these 2 games should pose absolutely no problem for any modern device (my vita vetsion side by side looks much smoother) but the ball will stutter every so often too.
If you find a solution i would really like to know what you did as i am new to android and everything ive read to try hasnt helped.
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Possibly it's related to the resolution. The Z3 has 1080 x 1920, whereas the ps vita is only 960 × 544; around a quarter of the size. I do think it's a weakness of modern phones; I'd be a lot happier with a lower resolution. It's not as if the S3 had any problems with its 720 x 1280. I think it's a bit like the megapixel race on DSLRs; bigger is better, and damn the other problems (noise, image size on cameras; speed, battery, asset storage space on phones).

Doesn't seem to be related to resolution, as the same happens on my fiancé's Z3 compact. Also, the same games runs smooth on my LG G2.
I'm pretty sure it has to do With Sony's ROM since it's happening on my Z3, Z2 tablet, and Z3 compact. The people that report no stuttering is probably not as sensitive to it as some of us are.
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Doesn't seem to be related to resolution, as the same happens on my fiancé's Z3 compact. Also, the same games runs smooth on my LG G2.
I'm pretty sure it has to do With Sony's ROM since it's happening on my Z3, Z2 tablet, and Z3 compact. The people that report no stuttering is probably not as sensitive to it as some of us are.
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I think the Sony ROM is running a more conservative setting or something because everything seems to be a little slow on the Z3. Battery saving method on Sony's part I assume.

Probably the kernel tuning. I've noticed it too.

Maybe Sony is more aggressive than LG with the thermal protection in the kernel. Even on the LG G2 if you disabled thermal protection it got rid of any stutters that were there, though not safe in the long run.

Guys do you think they will solve it by android L relase?

It will probably improve a bit because the new OS will be more efficient, and also better battery life.

shilent said:
Doesn't seem to be related to resolution, as the same happens on my fiancé's Z3 compact. Also, the same games runs smooth on my LG G2.
I'm pretty sure it has to do With Sony's ROM since it's happening on my Z3, Z2 tablet, and Z3 compact. The people that report no stuttering is probably not as sensitive to it as some of us are.
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Feel free to chuck up a video of the problem; I'm writing a game, so perhaps I could reproduce it if I had some idea what's causing it.

I remember having this problem with my Droid DNA when the Moto X rocking the same processor was smooth, regardless of framerate. Definitely firmware/video driver/kernel related. It can be most easily witnessed in games with a lot of scrolling or fluid motion, looking like a hitch or frame drop.

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Feel free to chuck up a video of the problem; I'm writing a game, so perhaps I could reproduce it if I had some idea what's causing it.
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Thanks. I'll get a video of the Z3 and G2 side by side running Riptide GP2 tonight.
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Ahh yes, i play asphalt 8 quite a bit, and while it doesn't lag, it definitely stutters a ton. I'm coming from an ascend mate 2 and even that runs it a bit better! i'm sure it all comes down to the heat/kernel settings. what's odd is when im playing need for speed, it's extremely smooth, but the phone definitely gets way hotter than it does when i play asphalt 8.

Sorry for the delay. My Canon camera crapped out on me. I ended up having to use my GoPro Hero3. Sorry for the image quality, GoPro sucks bad on everything except outdoor activities.
Top is LG G2 and bottom is Z3.
Edit: Youtube is horrible. I suggest downloading via Dropbox link.
http://youtu.be/8nyAUWBgpoM
Original file via Dropbox: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73364340/Riptide.mp4

In the LG G2 you could disable the Thermal throttling and manually set clock speed for thermal states in Trickster Kernel settings app. I suppose you could do the same here.

MiA1 GPU Artifacting in GTA SA

I just got my Mi A1 and am loving it so far. Im coming form a 2013 Nexus 5 that's battery was soo worn it only held 1500mAh on a good day. So everything about this phone has been solid till I launched GTA:SA from the app store. The game runs significantly better than it did on my Nexus 5 in terms of frame rate consistency and overall headroom to bump up settings but I'm noticing some serious graphic artifact issues regardless of what settings I use. They seem to appear as polygons get stretched and over large portions of the screen. I've seen similar things happen on PC graphics chips when overheating / poor traces however this is a new phone and seems to be software related as other games don't seem to reproduce the issue.
(intended on posting photo's but Im new to XDA forums and am unable to have links)
My goal in making this thread is to find out if anyone else is experiencing a similar issue with this specific title (official off playstore) or worst case; in other games. I tested Real Racing 3 and Simple Planes and PUBG (all full 3D titles) and all ran exceptionally well without any graphic artifacts. I don't believe this is an isolated case as the few video's that exist on youtube of GTA:SA played on this device seem to show similar visual glitches that were not present on my weaker and older Nexus 5. In addition, could it be the OREO 8.0 update that causes these issues? The only other clues I have found are a small handful of device-specifc reviews saying their games crash on missions and like one review complaining about the artifacting. Any information / advice on settings would be helpful!
Thanks all!

This problem is not happening on our device only fyi. From what I've seen, although I may be wrong for not researching enough, it happens on any device running Nougat or newer.

First thing first gta sa is not android platform game it's a console game I don't know about how much its in size but I guess it's almost 5GB maybe. Rockstar did compressed game for provide it on android (I'm not a fan of this game) I seen that game when my fiends playing and noticed some hiccups on ps2 console too those are the graphics hiccups so you can aspect them on android too, because it's ported not developed for android.
Talking about android gaming it's smooth (on mi a1) android games developer provide their best, for example need for speed Hot Pursuit is created from scratch not ported by EA Games and on android there some GPU limitations (console vs potable device gaming) thats why we are not able to play every single game on our devices when we redirect from any web browser to playstore so playstore said that game is not for your device etc. (resident evil 5)
As I can see that game is updated last in 2015 and its not optimized for newer android with newest drivers. When I compare my mi a1 gaming and Samsung galaxy s2 (almost 5 year older device) in gaming performance there is no change (on stock ROMs) like real racing 3, plants vs zombies 2, clash of clan, asphalt 8,dead trigger 2 whereas both devices are not same on software and hardware level but they run smooth.

What a shame.
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This problem is not happening on our device only fyi. From what I've seen, although I may be wrong for not researching enough, it happens on any device running Nougat or newer.
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Yeah this seems to be the case from what im seeing too. Welp, thats a shame. I mean it ran fine prior. I tried to adjust some visual settings to try my best to minimize the issue. In addition i read that multiple iOS users have had similar issues. Here are hopes that some android updates and or driver related updates do some good for this game. It's a fantastic title and amazing to have on the go. Runs at a solid framerate too on the MiA1 regardless of graphic settings so here are hopes that it gets resolved in the future.

It's not only Mi A1 problem and even not only Snapdragon/Adreno. I experience exactly same artifacts on Honor V10 with Mali GPU. Also it sometimes just crashes after few minutes of gaming.

I've faced the same issue on both on and off playstore. Had to return the game because of it
The game runs well enough, but the glitches make it look _very_ unappealing. Strangely, the glitching increases when I drop down the settings. When I max out the settings, the glitches are less frequent, but it lags and stutters a bit (maybe it needs an 8xx processor for fluid gameplay in Ultra.)

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