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[Q] Why does my Galaxy SII appear to be faster than my Trasformer Infinity?

I like my new Asus Transformer Infinity, but not as much as I love my Samsung Galaxy sII. It bugs me that it appears that a lot of apps are much smoother/faster in loading data on the SII than on the Infinity, while the former is a year older with a slower CPU.
Does anyone has the same experience?
And what could be the cause?
On both devices I use almost the same apps, have the same accounts installed and i use the same wifi connection. My sII still uses ICS and my infinty JB (which in my opinion is much better then before), Both unrooted.
When I run the usual benchmarks (quadrant, antutu, browsermark), I get the scores you would expect: Infinity scores clearly higher than the SII and conform the results that other users report. Internet speed tests do also give expected results,
I'm experiencing the following. A lot of apps that load some data from the web (news apps for example) show a delay of 1 or 2 seconds, while the SII often loads the data instantly. Browsing on the SII gives me a smooth experience, while browsing on the Infinity often results in a couple of seconds that the tablet is unresponsive when the page is not loaded completely.
This effect is the strongest in the Stumbleupon app, which probably has an inferior browser built-in, but my SII still loads the new pages really fast. The infinity shows a lot of unresponsiveness in Stumbleupon and it results in a lot of ANR popups.
The ANR popups are not so prevalant in other apps. This did happen a lot more with ICS. On my SII I almost never get an ANR.
I understand that the tablet needs to render for a much higher resolution and that the tablet has some issues with IO performance. But can this make such a difference? Could it be that most apps are so terribly designed for tablets, that the tablet needs a lot of CPU time to upscale, which causes unresponiveness?
Or is it just my tablet?

gybema said:
I understand that the tablet needs to render for a much higher resolution and that the tablet has some issues with IO performance. But can this make such a difference?
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yes.

You are not alone. I also have a galaxy s2,and it's a lot faster than this tablet.

It is not that surprising. My Sensation also feel faster and more reliable than my Infinity, guess it is just right that the S2 is much faster. And yes, the resolution does matter a lot. Imagine running Skyrim or Crysis II a 1024x768 resolution versus at 1920x1080, the difference in frame rates will blow you away.

Yup,
Most games and apps are designed for phones not tablets.
Applications for phones driving that big 'ole 1920X1200 screen with a 12 core GPU just ain't going to respond the same as the junior sized screens at a much lower resolution.
Just wait when the apps catch on to the HD wave there will be many happy campers.
Takes time...

Asus uses a tegra and samsung uses exynos. The exynos/malli processor/GPU seems to perform much better than tegra despite that tegra is made by nvidia. on paper the GFLOPS and toals MADs produced by the Exynos is higher.
The screen also is a factor as FHD screen takes more time to push all the pixels on a 10.1 screen compared to a 4.3.
Architecture of chipset as well
Manufacture also plays a part. Their coding and software implementation to make the hardware and software work together. Samsung does better in this case. ASUS is always pushing updates.

Its not just the Infinity as this was the first thing I noticed when I got the Transformer Prime vs my S2. Does resolutions play a role? Maybe a bit more in the Infinity's case but the Prime and TF300 had resolutions that's not too far off from the Galaxy Nexus but the latter with 2 less cores sure did better than the Asus tablets.

Most of it is the cheap crappy internal memory Asus decided to use for their flagship device, some of it's the higher resolution.

Unibrow said:
Most of it is the cheap crappy internal memory Asus decided to use for their flagship device, some of it's the higher resolution.
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My wife's apple ipad 3 with the high resolution runs smooth like a baby's butt. I could only wish my infinity ran that smooth. Since complaints aren't only coming from me now the proof is right here...this tablet was made without thinking. Basically Asus wanted a great tablet on paper to jump ahead of everyone, ON PAPER, but in reality it is a pretty bad device for such a large amount of money. Better off with a cheaper laptop with an SSD drive in it really.

Not to be funny, but my droid charge (2 years old, first samsung lte phone) is faster and smoother than tf700! Asus build a biggest giant cruise ship and forgot to plug a hole in the bottom of the ship!

As any gamer knows, higher resolution means more resources needed, which means a lower frames-per-second rate. It simply has to render more.
Your S2 has a resolution of 480 x 800, your TF700 a resolution of 1920x1280. In terms of resource difference between those two, it's pretty much the difference between running Minesweeper and running Skyrim.
Add to that the fact pretty much 99% of the apps are made for phones, and in most cases specifically the Galaxy series, and it's no surprise they run better on a small phone they're optimized for than on a large full HD tablet that most app-developers don't even consider.

ShadowLea said:
As any gamer knows, higher resolution means more resources needed, which means a lower frames-per-second rate. It simply has to render more.
Your S2 has a resolution of 480 x 800, your TF700 a resolution of 1920x1280. In terms of resource difference between those two, it's pretty much the difference between running Minesweeper and running Skyrim.
Add to that the fact pretty much 99% of the apps are made for phones, and in most cases specifically the Galaxy series, and it's no surprise they run better on a small phone they're optimized for than on a large full HD tablet that most app-developers don't even consider.
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The storage device is a piece of crap, there's nothing wrong with the graphics performance. Every single user experience issue with this tablet is down to data not getting read/written fast enough from/to storage. It's as simple as that.

Every application that uses "RAM" is subjective as fast as at my SGS2 (runnig CM9). But the i/o perfomance at stock ROM on my TF700 is really bad. With Browser2RAM surfing is a lot snapier but still not as snappy as at SGS2. Hopefully CM10 at TF700 works as much as possible around this storage issues.
Don't forget that the TF700T has the fastest RAM of all android devices that are on sale at the moment. But it has the slowest eMMC storage, too.

As far as the browser goes, use stock browser and if you are rooted, 1st look for app browser2ram and sideload it (and follow all instructions in thread dedicated to it), then (or for anyone else not rooted) type about:debug into browser address box, hit enter, then go to settings (three small vertcal dots in upper right hand corner of screen) and choose debug menu. Check the box next to Enable CPU Upload Pathand then close it. It speeds up the browser by a lot. I'm only using the stock browser now and I'm very satisfied with its performance.
The other suggestion I have for you that feel unhappy with the TF700's performance in general, is really consider unlocking, flashing a custom recovery (I highly recommend TWRP) and a rooted custom ROM, especially the CleanROM Ultra Light Edition v1.3. This JellyBean stock-based ROM is so fast and smooth and functional, you will wonder why you waited so long to have the device you had imagined. I kid you not. I've tried all the ROMs available for this device, and though they all have their strong points, for someone looking for a better than stock experience, where everything works, right now, this one's the best and it gets even better with each update. And this is just the beginning of wonderful development for the Infinity. This is honestly, a superb machine. We owe it to ourselves to take full advantage of it.

If you're running stock it's slow. If you optimise it it's pretty damn fast. Had mine lying next to an iPad 3 and they are on the same level. How to do it? Disable (a lot) of unneeded apps and use the right software (Firefox Aurora or the above mentioned Browser2Ram)

That's not much of a win considering the ipad 3 has a higher resolution with 2 less cpu cores and running 600mhz slower.

maedox said:
The storage device is a piece of crap, there's nothing wrong with the graphics performance. Every single user experience issue with this tablet is down to data not getting read/written fast enough from/to storage. It's as simple as that.
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Yup. This. The screen is a minor thing. If the ASUS engineers had not selected subpar parts for the internal SD, this thing would have absolute bleeding edge performance on every front. As it is, it often shows signs of brilliance but also has some limitations due to the system bottleneck. Your impression of the device user experience will depend heavily on your use model (and its associated memory footprint). The vast majority of issues/discussions wrt to this device basically come down to this one thing.
Barring some very serious OS hacking (ala the effort to allow external SD to replace internal) all the TF tabs will ALWAYS be limited by memory bandwidth. It's a hardware limitation. Either you can live with it or you can't. Too bad. Now that JB is here and the OS is finally decent/stable, this tab is one bad cost cutting measure away from being the undisputed best in class device in the industry. <shrug>
I'm not browsing very frequently and when I do, they are not heavy multimedia sites, so for me, the TF's certainly a really good user experience and I love the device. Games are great now that the driver bug is fixed for example. It's slightly frustrating knowing that the tab could have been amazing on EVERY front if they had spent another fifty cents on the memory... but that's life. I'll be happy if they just continue to support/stabilize/enhance the firmware. The hardware is what it is.

htcplussony said:
That's not much of a win considering the ipad 3 has a higher resolution with 2 less cpu cores and running 600mhz slower.
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Well, I understand that the gpu is better and the whole ios thing is completely optimised for browsing, so yeah, it is kind of a good comparison in terms of user experience.

This!!!
My HTC Evo 4g LTE has more consistent performance than my TF700T....
It's kind of frustrating really and the fact that my daughter's ipad is ALWAYS smooth bothers the hell out of me...
Is this the way these things are designed or do I have a lemon on my hands?
The fact that there are articles instructing people that they can buy a $30 SD card and move their /data mount to the external micro SD card tells me this is a design issue...
There's nothing more frustrating than tapping the screen and not being able to tell if you mis tapped or if the tablet is IO locked and in a 'wait' state. and it happens way too damned much.
I'm not doing anything special.... all I can say is that I'm running a lot of apps and perhaps this is the problem (I've restricted background process to 4 and disabling all animations and am now using APEX launcher to even disable all animations + the wallpaper).
Max free RAM at any time is around ~250 MB...
I want to show this thing off but everytime I pull it out it's performing like **** and cache cleaning or rebooting doen't seem to help either...
Also to add - post JB I DID perform a factory reset as well. I've installed about 130 apps.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using xda app-developers app

Just curious, how does tf700 compare to other android tablets? Is it a a lot slower or less smooth? It one thing to compare it to phones. I want to know how it compares to a Samsung note 10.1.

HTC M4(News updated on #55) finally leaked news!

News updated on #55
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_readying_720p_jb_m4_and_budget_ics_g2_for_spring-news-5462.php
4.3" 720P
2GB ram
1.2G S4 CPU(lol?)
16GB rom(still...)
13M cam f/2.0(same as M7)
720p front cam
LTE
1700mAH battery
Sense 5.0 on JB4.2
The CPU is same as One SV(down-clocked S4) but I doubt it very much because it would not make any existing One S customer to upgrade. So, I think the CPU should at least stay the same with One S(1.5G) or little faster(like 1.7G).
I think the LCD should change to SLCD2 this time instead of AMOLED Plus like One SV(4.3" SLCD2). I actually quite like AMOLED on phone because of perfect black but SLCD2(IPS) has better viewing experiences under sunlight which is more important to me. At the end, I don't care if it's still AMOLED or IPS, they both have pros and cons.
I have a high chance to get M4 because I don't want any size larger than 4.3". However, my One S is still lovely and used only 8 months.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-C5303-HuaShan-midranger-smiles-for-the-camera_id39165
I may wait Sony and see, they are also going to out 4.0" ~ 4.3" 720P LTE with ExmorRS, Qualcomm MSM8960T Dual 1.7GHz with Adreno 320 GPU(I think M4 will use 8960T). Model name: C5302, C5303, C5306 (Code name:HuaShan).

TheEndHK said:
4.3" 720P
2GB ram
1.2G S4 CPU(lol?)
16GB rom(still...)
The CPU is same as One SV(down-clocked S4) but I doubt it very much because it would not make any existing One S customer to upgrade. So, I think the CPU should at least stay the same with One S(1.5G) or little faster(like 1.7G).
I think the LCD should change to SLCD2 this time instead of AMOLED Plus like One SV(4.3" SLCD2). I actually quite like AMOLED on phone because of perfect black but SLCD2(IPS) has better viewing experiences under sunlight which is more important to me. At the end, I don't care if it's still AMOLED or IPS, they both have pros and cons.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-C5303-HuaShan-midranger-smiles-for-the-camera_id39165
I may wait Sony and see, they are also going to out 4.0" ~ 4.3" 720P LTE with ExmorRS, Qualcomm MSM8960T Dual 1.7GHz with Adreno 320 GPU(I think M4 will use 8960T). Model name: C5302, C5303, C5306 (Code name:HuaShan).
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Well I actually lover the cpu choice. Everything runs smooth on this cpu, and with a less heavy skinned Jb (sense 5) this will only improve. Every singel game runs brilliant. I don't think you will notice its downclocked on sense 5 and will bring a lot better battery life I gues.
The display in the one S is great. But when I hold it next to the One X or the SGIII or even the xperia T it really looks dreadfull. The colors and brightness seems fine but compared to these crisp screens it really falls out of the boat.
I'm wondering what the impact will be of a higher res lcd display on the 1.2ghz S4 though.
There are some Sony alternatives. Something I really like about those phones is the waterproof ones. But than again the Sony skin on these phones are just lame. All that grey bled stuff makes it really boring (and ugly), a funeral looks more cheerfull than that.
As I'm looking to replace my One S in march, my preference will still be the Xiaom MI-2.
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And I cant edit my post because my post is to short (less than 2 characters) which its obviously not... So umh.. Yes the S4 Pro quad core is a lot more powerful without sacrificing a lot of battery, but comes with a price tag. And I think this phone will be launched as a sub-high-end alternative for the M7 (like the One S was with the one X).

Vauix said:
Well I actually lover the cpu choice. Everything runs smooth on this cpu, and with a less heavy skinned Jb (sense 5) this will only improve. Every singel game runs brilliant. I don't think you will notice its downclocked on sense 5 and will bring a lot better battery life I gues.
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You can trick the Power Saving on in JB, it will limit both cores to 1134mhz max on One S to save battery.
yup, I spoke many times in this broad 720P is a lot better(I was own a Xperia S and that is only a suck TFT mon, not IPS). QHD resolution is really not enough for text reading though. 720P does drains more cpu power over QHD because more pixels to render on screen so it's questionable to make cpu slower while the device actually needs more cpu.
All 1080P devices go with quad-core because they need even more cpu power to render extra pixels. 8960T is just a dual core ver of 1.7G S4 but with a upgraded GPU(Adreno 320).

HTC is really slipping. Three is nothing good about this device. The one thing I hated most about this phone is the terrible memory and HTC made the same mistake again... Better off with the Samsung galaxy s4 or the next nexus device. I strongly recommend skipping any HTC device for a long time.
This is NOT an upgrade to the One S, it's a sad excuse.

Closed Source Project said:
HTC is really slipping. Three is nothing good about this device. The one thing I hated most about this phone is the terrible memory and HTC made the same mistake again... Better off with the Samsung galaxy s4 or the next nexus device. I strongly recommend skipping any HTC device for a long time.
This is NOT an upgrade to the One S, it's a sad excuse.
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Everyone has right on his own opinion, but I completely disagree with you with everything you just said.
I actually LOVE this device! the only thing i would change was the display. It shows quality all around. Incredible sound quality for both headphone and speaker, a slick (aluminum) design, great performance (was the best of its time) and a really really great camera. And although you can't fully unlock it and they released only a partial sourcecode doesn't mean its instantly trash.
Every single thing on the M4 is an upgrade for the One S, besides the CPU. And quite frankly I really don't see the use for a quadcore in a 4.3 inch phone with android 4.2. As the one S proved JB is buttery smooth on this chipset. Yes the IPS display will but its tax on the CPU, but with a lighter (and a lot lighter by the looks of the leaks) sense running on 4.2, I highly doubt you will notice it.
And yes I love the idea of the nexus serie and love the looks of stock android. But I never ever want it as a daily driver. It's just to formal and vannila for my taste. In the Gingerbread and ICS days i would have loved it because it was so much smoother than skinned phones. But JB brought a lot of chance in that, and the phone manufactures really stepped up there game with software development and drivers. Therefor a Nexus phone doesn't have any appeal for me AT ALL.

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Great! When this phone comes out, one s prices will drop!
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The specs looks quite ok... But wtf? 1.2Ghz cpu speed? WHY!? Ive downclocked my S to 1.2Ghz a few times to save battery, and the difference is very noticable in speed. The battery I save I lose right away when having to wait extra long for something to finish loading.

Goatshocker said:
The specs looks quite ok... But wtf? 1.2Ghz cpu speed? WHY!? Ive downclocked my S to 1.2Ghz a few times to save battery, and the difference is very noticable in speed. The battery I save I lose right away when having to wait extra long for something to finish loading.
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Since every other mid-range phone is running S4 1.5G now, I don't think HTC will use 1.2G on their 2013 new phone. Sony's up coming mid-range will use MSM8960T 1.7G dual, I think HTC will just follow Sony.

Vauix said:
Everyone has right on his own opinion, but I completely disagree with you with everything you just said.
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Hey, sorry to forget mention about Xiaom MI-2. We have many chances to use China smartphone/tablet here in Hong Kong. I've to say it depends on your usage.
They are general powerful on hardware and cheap at price because they cut the cost from software development. You have no chance to get a stock rom close to the HTC/Samsung/Sony level, don't even to think get as many updates as HTC. So, the performance totally depends by custom roms and flash rom is almost a necessary on China stuffs. I see Xiaom MI-2 got a dev broad on XDA now.
If you are going to use it with only some general apps and not a heavy usage user, the stock rom may works fine and China stuffs almost never come with google playstore and map and others google apps, you have to get root access and install them by yourself. Not sure about Xiaom MI-2.

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I think apart from the weak cpu clockspeed(hopefully they will change to something like 1.5-1.7ghz), this phone is nice. But I think I am gonna keep my one S for this year and afterwards there will be new phones as well, so no need to buy one. One S is still just fine for everything.
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TheEndHK said:
Hey, sorry to forget mention about Xiaom MI-2. We have many chances to use China smartphone/tablet here in Hong Kong. I've to say it depends on your usage.
They are general powerful on hardware and cheap at price because they cut the cost from software development. You have no chance to get a stock rom close to the HTC/Samsung/Sony level, don't even to think get as many updates as HTC. So, the performance totally depends by custom roms and flash rom is almost a necessary on China stuffs. I see Xiaom MI-2 got a dev broad on XDA now.
If you are going to use it with only some general apps and not a heavy usage user, the stock rom may works fine and China stuffs almost never come with google playstore and map and others google apps, you have to get root access and install them by yourself. Not sure about Xiaom MI-2.
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Thanks for your insight. But I think the MI-2 is worth another look. It's roots in rom development (the famous MIUI rom's) which are so succesfull they started building phones there self. I actually love the software and see more future in than in sense or touchwiz UX. They have monthly updates which are based on the miui community and by the looks of the reviews and benchmarks the firmware seems very optimized (all most the speed of the nexus 4, better audio quality than most high end phones, and photo quality is on par with the iphone and sony/samsung devices).
Many people view this phone as another cheap china phone, but I think it deserves a lot more credit than that. There are reports Xiaomi will bring the MI-2 to the US market this year, and is getting a lot of support all round (did i mention Qualcomm is one of the biggest investors?).
I don't want to sounds like this is the best phone on the market or that I'm completely sure I'm going to get one, i just want to raise it out of the budget phone segment.

HTC One S is ok for the average joe but if you want to...
i have an un branded HTC ONE S, which has been good to me in terms of using custom roms/kernels without too much hassle.
rooting on the other hand was bit of a nightmare, but that was due to me not reading all that i could before i tried, which leads me to the pain in the a** S-ON and having to flash boot kernels/recoveries with ADB (which is no longer a problem with FLASH IMAGE GUI supporting our device)
also the16gb rom is a bit low...would like to have the ability to upgrade to 32
i really dont see too much of an upgrade for our device , the HTC One S is ok for the average joe but if you want to root and mess round with custom roms and kernels, choose another device to upgrade to

This is so annoying. Still using 16 GB of internal memory, and now with 13mp camera (useless) so we can only fit 10 pictures.
Also, I guarantee this is gonna be S4 Plus (not Pro) and therefore it will have the Adreno 305 GPU. The old S4 Plus which the One S has, contains an Adreno 225, which is actually a lot faster than the 305.
So take a slower GPU and pair it with a 720p screen (instead of our 540p), take away some CPU performance as well, and what do you get?
And a 13 mp camera, seriously, I thought the "megapixel race" ended ages ago. How many people actually print out billboards from pictures taken on your phone? Just focus on lens quality and aperture, leave the megapixels at 8. Hell, even 5 is more than enough, I never take pictures at more than 2 mp myself.
HTC is digging its own grave.

djsubtronic said:
This is so annoying. Still using 16 GB of internal memory, and now with 13mp camera (useless) so we can only fit 10 pictures.
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Lol, bit of an exaggeration there.......
I have had over a 1000 photos (including lots of 1080P and slow motion footage) on my S and still had 5GB left. I don't store any music on my phone so 16GB is more than enough for me and is for many others, nexus 4 16 and 8GB models as well as iphones etc. sell well enough so the ones who want 32GB+ internal and/or a SD slot are in a small minority.
Also, we have no idea yet as to what the camera lens etc. is not to mention software/driver tweaks/optimisation, so how can you judge the camera when the phone specs etc. haven't even been confirmed
Regarding the M7 camera;
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-m7-rumored-carry-43-ultrapixel-camera
So it could be the same for the M4, just the way the camera on the X and S are the same.

HTC obviously has got everything wrong if they expect people to NOT store music on a "beats" branded phone.

djsubtronic said:
This is so annoying. Still using 16 GB of internal memory, and now with 13mp camera (useless) so we can only fit 10 pictures.
Also, I guarantee this is gonna be S4 Plus (not Pro) and therefore it will have the Adreno 305 GPU. The old S4 Plus which the One S has, contains an Adreno 225, which is actually a lot faster than the 305.
So take a slower GPU and pair it with a 720p screen (instead of our 540p), take away some CPU performance as well, and what do you get?
And a 13 mp camera, seriously, I thought the "megapixel race" ended ages ago. How many people actually print out billboards from pictures taken on your phone? Just focus on lens quality and aperture, leave the megapixels at 8. Hell, even 5 is more than enough, I never take pictures at more than 2 mp myself.
HTC is digging its own grave.
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yup, both CPU/GPU will be slower than One S if it is real using the Qualcomm S4 Plus MSM8930 Dual 1.2G but I doubt that because it will happen the case on One S(S3) again, a great smartphone with slower cpu and terrible sales result.
The M7/M4 will both likely using the technology similar to Foveon X3 RGB 3CMOS on DSLR. It means 3 x 4.3M CMOS combined together to output a 13M photo, you get perfect color and white balance reproduction this time. However, low light and high ISO might be even worse because three CMOS there to share the aperture now, the photo should be darker and more noises appear.
It is absolutely a killer to Nokia Pureview808 and the upcoming Nokia Lumia 950(WP8 with Pureview808) in summer but might not be on the same boat with original One X/S and Nokia 920 which targeted at low lighting environment. I'll see how M7/M4 to handle low light with this new 3CMOS because low light is more important to me.

Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!
If you care about low light that mufh, why don't get a dslr?
Sent from my One S using xda premium

gock said:
If you care about low light that mufh, why don't get a dslr?
Sent from my One S using xda premium
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Because often when one is in low light conditions and wants to take pictures, they don't usually have their hefty DSLR kit with them. People only carry that stuff around when it's planned. If you go out for some drinks in the evening and want to take some pictures, the One S works wonders, and hence I actually really appreciate its ability to take decent pics in those scenarios without a flash.
Looks like I'll either be skipping an upgrade this year and stick with the One S, or sadly move to a different brand. Unless the M4 turns out to be different.

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Vauix said:
Well I actually lover the cpu choice. Everything runs smooth on this cpu, and with a less heavy skinned Jb (sense 5) this will only improve. Every singel game runs brilliant. I don't think you will notice its downclocked on sense 5 and will bring a lot better battery life I gues.
The display in the one S is great. But when I hold it next to the One X or the SGIII or even the xperia T it really looks dreadfull. The colors and brightness seems fine but compared to these crisp screens it really falls out of the boat.
I'm wondering what the impact will be of a higher res lcd display on the 1.2ghz S4 though.
There are some Sony alternatives. Something I really like about those phones is the waterproof ones. But than again the Sony skin on these phones are just lame. All that grey bled stuff makes it really boring (and ugly), a funeral looks more cheerfull than that.
As I'm looking to replace my One S in march, my preference will still be the Xiaom MI-2.
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And I cant edit my post because my post is to short (less than 2 characters) which its obviously not... So umh.. Yes the S4 Pro quad core is a lot more powerful without sacrificing a lot of battery, but comes with a price tag. And I think this phone will be launched as a sub-high-end alternative for the M7 (like the One S was with the one X).
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Yes, and the lower processing speed will in fact increase the battery life too...
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Here are some photos of the M4:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_m4_appears_in_front_of_the_camera_for_the_first_time-news-5498.php
The M7 specs/design has been confirmed:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_m7_to_launch_on_march_8_in_france_priced_at_650-news-5496.php
The listing also confirms the specifications of HTC M7 to sport a 4.7" Full HD display, 1.7 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon quad-core processor along with 2GB RAM, 32 GB internal memory with microSD support, 4G, NFC, Android Jelly Bean and 2,300mAh battery
Furthermore, HTC M7 will be using a 13-megapixel camera with stacked sensor and ultrapixels for the first time and it will be interesting to see how the camera performs. M7 is also confirmed to feature the latest HTC 5.0 sense and Double HP techno Beats Audio.
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I imagine the black M7 will be similar to the black m4. M4 looks quite curvy/ergonomic and a bit thick so it looks like it will feel comfortable/nice in the hand.
By the looks of it, the speakers are on the front of the M7 too Also I am glad that they aren't going any bigger than 4.7".

Really disappointed weak glass,speaker and cheating in benchmark

Really disappointed weak glass,speaker and cheating in benchmark
i want to upgrade from note 1 to note 3
after reading alot of reviews i found some issues
1- The video of an "androidauthority" that show drop test of Note 3 and its glass was broken , despite my note 1 fall from me many times and nothing was happen (gorilla glass 1) and till now non of any sites ( Samsung - Gsmarena - Phonearena .........) talked about screen protection and this was scary to me
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=note+3+drop+test
2-some reviews talked about the speaker of note 3 and all of them talked about its bad quality but it is loud enough . yesterday i read review http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/7
show that the loudness of speaker is only 71.92 db lower than note 2 and my note 1 :crying:
3-today i choked when reading the cheating in benchmark of note 3 at all phone sites
4-most of reviews done 4g version and i was planning to buy the 3g version
Waiting for more reviews and for comparing with its rivals ( LG G2 - Xperia Z1 - Acer Liquid S2 - Alcatel One Touch Hero -HTC Onemax - Lenovo Vibe Z)

Good for you. Take someone else at their word. For every bad review there are a 100 good ones. If you choose to focus on the bad ones then maybe the new iPhone is more your style. To each his own.
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dkb218 said:
Good for you. Take someone else at their word. For every bad review there are a 100 good ones. If you choose to focus on the bad ones then maybe the new iPhone is more your style. To each his own.
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LOL I hate iPhone series and i think they aren't rivals with note3 at all , but there are rivals still in same line and don't forget i ve note 1 from 2 years and it is still my little baby

Don't believe on every bullS**t that comes in front of you. If you liked note 1, you will love note 3 too. It is far better than even note 2 and people are loving it so note 1 doesn't even come closer. There is not even a single phone which is 100% perfect.

Hi,
I have upgraded from a Note 2 with custom rom (omega) and audio mods (Neak) to Note 3 Simfree quad core version.
My note 3 has all my apps inc Apex Pro Launcher.
1) The audio quality on the note 3 is defiantly better than my note 2, the call quality is amazingly clear, the music sounds better.
yes the speaker is not that loud compared to my modified note 2 but that some that a custom mod when released can fix.
2) i have not read the review but i have just done a AnTUTU Benchmark and my score is 35613
AnTUTU score 35613 (custom test with all options selected)
Quadrant Standard with score of 22279
Geekbench 2 Score 4095
The screen is amazing compared to my note two and the pictures quality is sharp, I will compare this with my sisters Samsung S4 when i get chance.
Edit: I did not like the S-Pen on the note 2 much on on Note 3 it feels much more natural when writing with the pen and the air view is brilliant when using S-Pen makes this much easier.
Thanks
Thanks

a5ian300zx said:
Hi,
I have upgraded from a Note 2 with custom rom (omega) and audio mods (Neak) to Note 3 Simfree quad core version.
My note 3 has all my apps inc Apex Pro Launcher.
1) The audio quality on the note 3 is defiantly better than my note 2, the call quality is amazingly clear, the music sounds better.
yes the speaker is not that loud compared to my modified note 2 but that some that a custom mod when released can fix.
2) i have not read the review but i have just done a AnTUTU Benchmark and my score is 35613
AnTUTU score 35613 (custom test with all options selected)
Quadrant Standard with score of 22279
Geekbench 2 Score 4095
The screen is amazing compared to my note two and the pictures quality is sharp, I will compare this with my sisters Samsung S4 when i get chance.
Edit: I did not like the S-Pen on the note 2 much on on Note 3 it feels much more natural when writing with the pen and the air view is brilliant when using S-Pen makes this much easier.
Thanks
Thanks
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about the speaker i hope that will be better but about the review of benchmark you should read it as your test on benchmark is faked by samsung

Reviews are the opinion of the reviewer only try get one of your own and I guarantee you this device is definetly better than your note 1
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sehooo said:
about the speaker i hope that will be better but about the review of benchmark you should read it as your test on benchmark is faked by samsung
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Hi,
How is it faked? when i using 3rd benchmark tools to run some tests based on the CPU/RAM/GPU etc.. from the application itself, unless the application is picking up that is note 3 and then faking the result?
It does feel more responsive and faster than my note 2, I want to root it with custom rom and take out this samsung bloatware etc.
PS: I have just tested MX Player with DTS codec pack - I can playback full bluray with DTS-HD MA audio sample file m2ts and also 10bit MKV files.
Thanks

Why do you give much thought to drop tests? There is no scientific procedure with which these tests are carried out; basically, they are all luck based. But since it seems you put weight to them, maybe these two tests will put your mind more at ease.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXX_35xy8Rc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGLea3KYD58
- As for the benchmark "cheating", basically what has been confirmed is that the phone preps all the four cores to 2.3GHz before the benchmarks begins (like revving the engine of a car before racing). it's worth noting that the Note3 still measures the highest scores even with this "booster" disabled. This is not the first time that manufacturers were caught trying to do this and it won't be the last.
- Why are you planning to buy the 3g version? The only reason you should get the 3g version is if you don't have another choice (i.e: they don't sell the 4g model in your country)
- As for the speakers, I honestly can't tell you as admittedly I'm not the best judge when it comes to audio. I sold my Note2 so I can't compare. What I can say is that I leave the volume at 13/15 when watching my videos and I have no problem hearing it in a quiet environment.

MohJee said:
Why do you give much thought to drop tests? There is no scientific procedure with which these tests are carried out; basically, they are all luck based. But since it seems you put weight to them, maybe these two tests will put your mind more at ease.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXX_35xy8Rc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGLea3KYD58
- As for the benchmark "cheating", basically what has been confirmed is that the phone preps all the four cores to 2.3GHz before the benchmarks begins (like revving the engine of a car before racing). it's worth noting that the Note3 still measures the highest scores even with this "booster" disabled. This is not the first time that manufacturers were caught trying to do this and it won't be the last.
- Why are you planning to buy the 3g version? The only reason you should get the 3g version is if you don't have another choice (i.e: they don't sell the 4g model in your country)
- As for the speakers, I honestly can't tell you as admittedly I'm not the best judge when it comes to audio. I sold my Note2 so I can't compare. What I can say is that I leave the volume at 13/15 when watching my videos and I have no problem hearing it in a quiet environment.
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thx for videos
and about 3g version in our country data through 4g is very expensive and not practical for us and also the 4k video need more storage + highend tv ,so i preferred the octa core ver as i heard it use less power consumption by choosing the lowest core for idle and for small process and maybe after update from Samsung it can use the 8 core simultaneously and make higher performance than snapdragon after that update.That only what i think

a5ian300zx said:
Hi,
How is it faked? when i using 3rd benchmark tools to run some tests based on the CPU/RAM/GPU etc.. from the application itself, unless the application is picking up that is note 3 and then faking the result?
It does feel more responsive and faster than my note 2, I want to root it with custom rom and take out this samsung bloatware etc.
PS: I have just tested MX Player with DTS codec pack - I can playback full bluray with DTS-HD MA audio sample file m2ts and also 10bit MKV files.
Thanks
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When people say "faked" what they really mean is that the CPU and GPU are set to a speed which is not otherwise available for general use. So (making up numbers) in normal use the GPU can only go 450mhz, if it detects that a benchmark app is running, it'll ramp it immediately up to 475mhz and keep it there so there's no ramping up and down and the speed is higher.
So it's a bit dirty, but it's not like they're dropping frames and getting a "higher FPS" or something.

khaytsus said:
When people say "faked" what they really mean is that the CPU and GPU are set to a speed which is not otherwise available for general use. So (making up numbers) in normal use the GPU can only go 450mhz, if it detects that a benchmark app is running, it'll ramp it immediately up to 475mhz and keep it there so there's no ramping up and down and the speed is higher.
So it's a bit dirty, but it's not like they're dropping frames and getting a "higher FPS" or something.
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Actually that's not what's happening here (though it was with the S4). Samsung is apparently setting everything to run at 100% during popular benchmark programs.
1. The benchmark programs really should be doing this anyway which concerns me
2. Even without this preset, the N3 still won pretty much all benchmark tests. So not a big deal in the end, making this unnecessary from Samsung.
BMW does any naked phone screen survive a direct drop on its face onto concrete? Don't think I've ever seen that.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.

Samsung did the same thing with the GS4, it's not just benchmark software it's any app that is native fullscreen that gets a CPU boost for max performance. Call that cheating if you want, the phone still created the results.

xHausx said:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.
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This is not cheating, the processor is not running outside of its designed limits. All it did was make sure it was running a full power for the whole test... The clock speeds were still 2.3 ghz,
as for the speaker, that's subjective and the glass is gorilla glass 3, it's the strongest on the market... But if you think it won't break if you smash your phone on concrete, you're kidding yourself

xHausx said:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.
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Most people don’t care about benchmarks, and I’m still going to buy the phone and not lose any sleep over this.
Are they going to get fined/punished /banned by the benchmark committee?

xHausx said:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.
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ArsTechnica also failed to "discover" that the very LG G2 that they compare in the very same article has the same CPU optimizations, only that they by luck it didn't apply to GeekBench 3.
Samsung does it, HTC does it, LG does it.

To the op about the drop test. I don't care what phone you have it will always break out shatter if you drop it on its face. There is a thing called a case. If you don't use it you deserve to have your screen smashed.

Don't get it. Stay with your note 1 and no complaining. Enough said.
I want a fancy new ferrari but the cost of maintenance is a lot more than my current car.... That's how you sound.
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unfortunately for me a few days ago my note 2 fell face first on concrete and naturally it cracked.
all smartphones will get this terrible fate if dropped face first on solid concrete unless the flexible screens with what ever will cover it finds a solution to that problem.
samsung should invest in wearable technology that senses and "magnetizes back" whenever your phone is about to get dropped or snatched (i know far out but one can dream lol)

Touch screen respond time

Hi, first of all, I would like to introduce myself. I got my nexus 5 the first week that it was announced and was amazed at the speed of the new device running both kitkat 4.4 and snapdragon 800 as well as having a ram of 2gb. I was then further blown away when I switched to ART runtime. Note, my previous phone was a Xperia Arc. So compared to that, the difference was between sky and ground.
I think the speed difference in overall smoothness of the phone could be due to kitkat 4.4 or snapdragon 800 while the speed of switching between app was due to 2gb ram and ART.
Anyway, I was very pleased with it as it is finally a phone which is comparable in smoothness to the ios world of iphones.
TL;DR, nexus 5 is very fast.
Now, onto the point. I recently came across this article. http://www.phonearena.com/news/Funk...ne-display-touch-response-time-so-far_id54887
And I see that HTC M8 topped the chart with nexus 5 tied with iphone 5/5s.
My question is this:
1. Is there anyway to improve the response time through software tweaks? either through rom, kernel or some sort of mod? or is it all impossible as it is hardware based?
2. How does the few milisecond affects the overall speed of the phone? app opening speed, overall smoothness in typing, responsiveness in games,etc

I don't have the tools or patience to test if it's just placebo or not, but others have reported success with SGS Touchscreen Booster on random devices.
Could be 100% snake oil, but you're fighting what's likely a hardware limitation, so you're probably grasping at straws in the first place.

Milliseconds isn't a time scale in my life.
No one will see much difference in phone speed, for simple things like opening an app anyway, from here on in. Yes, multitasking may improve...and new features will come....but general speed has topped out. For real life noticeability anyway.
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KJ said:
Milliseconds isn't a time scale in my life.
No one will see much difference in phone speed, for simple things like opening an app anyway, from here on in. Yes, multitasking may improve...and new features will come....but general speed has topped out. For real life noticeability anyway.
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Well ,the part where i notice about the delay although very slightly is keyboard. For some reason, I still feel that the keyboard is not fully smooth, especially when I try to tap fast.

Try a different keyboard? I use Kii now. Loving it! Paid version. [emoji106]
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Not that I use it....but it can do swyping too.

The truth about laggy Idol 3 5.5 ?

So I have read and watched a lot about the i3 5.5, probably too much. In short it's a great in almost all aspects, save from
the performance, rendering it laggy/slow/choppy at times. Is it really that bad, or is it exaggerated, or perhaps downplayed?
I'm interested in intel of day-to-day use and how the i3 5.5 handles the OS, browsing, video and gaming.
Hopefully it's more a software issue than a hardware issue, which would make sense. Hopefully the 5.1 update will be out
soon. Are the European i3 5.5's also getting the last updates, or is it only the U.S?
Hopefully these relatively small issues will be a thing of the past soon. I am planning on leaving my Z Ultra (qualcomm 800,
adreno 330) for this device and that says a lot I think of how much faith I have in it
:good:

I have definitely experience lags here and there during day to day usage but haven't really found them annoying to the point where it is impossible to use the device.
Sure, the phone could have been fitted with a slightly more powerful GPU but overall the pros outweigh the cons. Only thing left is how commited Alcatel is with regards to software updates.
Power Users should definitely stay way. However, I have no qualms recommending this phone to anyone who is looking for big screen multimedia mobile device on a budget.

Thanks for your answer. A guy at Youtube said that after a couple of updates he received from Alcatel the phone performs much better, thus implying it is not a hardware issue, but a software one. He reported a perfectly lag free i3, with maybe once in a while a minor hiccup. Did you get any of those updates yet and if so, what is the difference in performance lag wise?

We have had only one update , that has resulted in a minor improvement in the UI response. Remember, the phone is still on 5.0.2 and that is responsible for the lag to a large extent. Plus - at the end of the day, its a 1.5 Ghz quad core with 2 GB RAM - The performance will be limited to whatever that means. If you are a power user , need a phone for an year or so, and are spending $250 for the Idol3 - you might want to see if you can score a OnePlus One 16GB for the same price. From a sheer performance perspective, it will come out ahead owing to a faster processor and more RAM . There are other drawbacks , that you should consider of course.

Thanks for your insight. The thing is that the i3 runs almost an all Vanilla Android, whereas other heavier skinned phones with the same cpu run perfectly fine, no hiccups either. Mind you, 33000 in Antutu is quite substantial and should be enough to run the i3 flawlessly. I guess you're on point by saying it's still on 5.0.2 and that is probably the main culprit. Hopefully Alcatel will tackle the issue soon, then they truly have a device they can be proud of for 100%, something the bigger brands and their "flagships" can learn from, imo. Did you see any improvement after the update?

My big issue was scroll lag that was in every browser, any page that had those menu overlays would stutter like a mofo. After the update it largely fixed it but still left stutter in ad laden pages. Once I installed Adguard my browsers became butter smooth. The Adreno 405 pushing 1080p res isn't doing well in 3D demanding games... if you need a phone for that get Zen2.

Thanks for the heads up. I just installed Adguard for the lulz on my old Samsung S3, quite nifty. I think the i3 will continue to impress and possibly get even better with coming updates.

Why on earth does your thread require I be in XDA 2015 theme to view it when none of the other threads do?

Good question. Probably because this thread is made of pure win

My guess is the idol using more of the 1ghz CPU to run a little cooler and save power, and when it is slow to switch to the 1.5ghz CPU is when we experience lag. Kind of like your using a 1ghz quad core phone. The idol has been proven to run cooler than its other 615 brothers, so it may be set to run on the slow CPU more.

It will definitely get better if they ever release 5.1.1. I'm not holding my breath.

I am already on the latest update, there is slight ( not sure if placebo ) improvement when scrolling web pages with mulitple images. Overall, I think it is fine unless you are power user.

Anymore input from users? What is your experience between before and after the update regarding to smoothness?

I found enabling gpu rendering for 2d made the phone run a lot smoother.
I was barely able to view this forum on it now I can scroll up and down and its buttery smooth (with the occasional hiccup here and there)

Changing default keyboard for Fleksy fixed all for me
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Funny, I love that keyboard. Fleksy all the way, looks really clean too!

Try clearing your cache and/or doing a factory reset. Worked for me after the update slowed me down a little

no more lag since 10 06 update, this phone is finally totally great

When was it released? Is there a changelog?

there was a changelog when i got it, it's about stagefright and stuff