The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
On digging futher. I traced the problem back to the speed governors and thermal management on the nexus 5.
There are quite a few articles discussing how the Note 3 CPU throttling differs from the Nexus 5.
Hell some benchmarks report that the nexus 5 is even slower than the nexus 4.1
WTF Google all this noise about Kit Kat and you get blwon out of the water by older slower phones.
Is there anyway for us to fix this.
Is there anyway for us to use and load the Note 3 system UI and Kernel on the nexus. As they both have identical CPU and GPU.
Please somebody come up with a fix for this.
I tried one of the Kernels on here that claimed to solve this problem But it resulted in frequent hangs and black screens.
Had to reload factory image just to boot.
Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.
Hi,
If your concern is only about bench, flash this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2537299, then take a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506965...
Stock is slow in bench (compared to other devices) right, but not in general UI...
For the other parts of your post... No comment . One thing is, I think, you should read and learn a bit more... and have a different approach in your reasoning...
I, on the other hand, will comment on your reasoning: you think that benchmarks show real life performance of a device? You have no idea what you're talking about, and exposing your ignorance in such a post is not very wise.
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So... Even when the phone performs extremely and blazing FAST (because it does and you know it) you are calling it slow because of benchmarks results. When, by the way, samsung CHEATS in benchmarks It's proven that they push the CPU and the GPU to clock speeds that are never used when you actually use the phone, and lock them there, but only during the benchmark. When you exit the benchmark, the phone returns to a normal state. That's called CHEATING you know.
https://www.google.es/search?q=sams...7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
And you want the sluggish samsung UI in your nexus? You, sir... You... No, I just can't understand you
benchmarks are not real life usage. I had to come to that same realization as well. Who cares if your phone can score 30k+ on antutu or whatever if it lags and stutters on anything else. What matters is all around scrolling fluency,speed of app open,performance in games etc. not a number on a list
LOL, this has to be trolling, you cannot be for real. Thanks for the good laugh :laugh:
If, by the slight chance you are serious, I must ask what apps, etc you use that are "slow" and/or causing lag??
What do you wish was faster?
Ha ha. Holiday chuckles. Thanks for this
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The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
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Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks
Oh no....not again.
the nexus 5 in no way is slow. not even in benchmarks. maybe you dont know how to benchmark properly, maybe the reviews that you read the people dont know how to benchmark properly. but slow and nexus 5 do not go together. besides for benchmarks, which should mean absolutely nothing to you, its the fastest device out there in user experience as well, which is way more important than a benchmark.. oh, btw, i run my nexus 5 at 2880mhz without a single problem.
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I learned this too the Nexus 5 if you're on 100% Completely stock doesn't give its 100% percent effort
using an app such as System monitor with the floating window, my nexus 5 clocks @ 1.7ghz - 1.4Ghz and it only uses 2 cores for the entire benchmark
I look @ my cheating S3 and once i opened the app the CPU was reved up to 1.5Ghz and stayed like that entire benchmark
RonChinoy said:
The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
On digging futher. I traced the problem back to the speed governors and thermal management on the nexus 5.
There are quite a few articles discussing how the Note 3 CPU throttling differs from the Nexus 5.
Hell some benchmarks report that the nexus 5 is even slower than the nexus 4.1
WTF Google all this noise about Kit Kat and you get blwon out of the water by older slower phones.
Is there anyway for us to fix this.
Is there anyway for us to use and load the Note 3 system UI and Kernel on the nexus. As they both have identical CPU and GPU.
Please somebody come up with a fix for this.
I tried one of the Kernels on here that claimed to solve this problem But it resulted in frequent hangs and black screens.
Had to reload factory image just to boot.
Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.
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Yeah, I buy a phone to play benchmarks too! They're pretty fun... I can't enjoy my phone unless the numbers that benchmarks show me are higher than other peoples numbers.
If you didn't know already, other phones that aren't a nexus will automatically force the processor to run at max speed whenever a benchmark app is opened. Therefore, there is no throttling when the benchmark is running. On nexus devices it won't do that and it'll just regulate the processor speed according to what it needs (most of the time it won't even use all 4 cores). This is why other phones will seem to get a higher score than the n5 when it comes to benchmarks.
Ha... Obviously your OP is a joke. I gave my son my Note3 and had the S4 before that since it came out and I can assure you my Nexus5 is quicker in every way for day-to-day usage.
I'm not dogging the Samsung phones because they are awesome but your statement about the N5 being slower is false.
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Yeah, I buy a phone to play benchmarks too! They're pretty fun... I can't enjoy my phone unless the numbers that benchmarks show me are higher than other peoples numbers.
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Samezies
why caring so much about benchmarks?
the actually performance is great, i have no complaint
I can't believe that people are still getting hung up on benchmark scores. It's such a relic from the early days of Android when usability was terrible and pulling down 1000 on Quadrant actually kind of meant something. It's totally irrelevant now. Whenever I read a phone review on a mainstream tech site (other than AnandTech and Ars Technica) that goes into benchmark scores, I just want to puke because they place way too much emphasis on scores over usability.
Bottom line - the N5 is fast. Really fast. Period. I don't care if your benchmark scores are too low for your liking out of the box.
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First thank you to the first guy who responded with two helpful links.
The rest of the comments where childish and immature.
Must be an age thing. Im 45 and have been compiling linux kernels since the early 90s.
First off Samsung are not cheating. They sold you a phone rated to X Mhz. And when they detect a bench mark test they let you have that speed.
The only reason they can let you have that speed is because its a well designed phone. face it.
Their thermal management is better. Why are Nexus owners so anal ? About facing facts.
Its a bit like buying a car. You see the engine configuration. 4 LTR V8. 500 BHP.
But oh wait you really cant put your nexus on a Dyno. Because it wont be able to give you 500 BHP without blowing up. Or getting damaged cause its thermal management is so bad. I don think custom Roms or kernels are the solution. The real solution is better thermal management.
The Samsung on the other hand you can put on the Dyno. And it will show you 500 BHP. Oh wait thats a bad word here.
Nexus 4.1 outperforms it.
But I understand that this is a soft spot for you guys. So lets just compare the Nexus 5 to the Nexus 4.1.
The Nexus 4.1 is faster in some bench mark tests ?. I see no way in hell that should happen.
We are coming in 5th and 6th behind some really dated and slower phones.
Forget bench marks. I am seeing that my apps are slowing down because of the heat issue. Hell my old s2 could hold a better clip and run better. Without over heating and ****ting it self like this.
Glad to see in the links provided that some people at least have acknowledged what Im saying.
1. The Thermal Throttling on the N5 out of the box is absurd.
2. The Thermal management on the N5 is seriously lacking. This is the real issue. This is why they have to be absurd on the thermal throttling. Cause heat dissipation or the basic design is lacking.
What do I need the speed for ?. Well that is my business. Its a bit like asking what do you need 500 BHP for ?. I paid for it. Im expecting it.
And if you must know
I need to sample sensors, GPS and OBD data from a race car while shooting a video. And our in car Temps are over 60c.
And yes when you Quad core Snap dragon 800 is performing slower than a 4.1 Nexus 600. I think its an issue. Weather you want to accept it or not.
Glad to see some people have already accepted that we got short changed by Google or Nexus. And we have to now resort to bumming stuff off the Moto X is just hilarious. So much for having state of the art Kit Kat LOL. Now we have to start bumming files off the moto x. That was the low point for me.
I'm assuming you haven't found a fix/mod with N5 thermal management?
Would love to have an app that let me switch to performance mode so I can play games and watch 1080p 10bit videos without being throttled.
Momotani-Hitoshi said:
I'm assuming you haven't found a fix/mod with N5 thermal management?
Would love to have an app that let me switch to performance mode so I can play games and watch 1080p 10bit videos without being throttled.
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if you have root, jist disable it. many custom kernels allow for this.
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I dont know if there's a topic about this or not but, guys after unpacked event i watched almost every galaxy s6 review but today i noticed something strange, in some s6 reviews s6/exynos 7420 did a great job but i noticed that there is some throttling issues-i guess-
as for evidence here is in this video s6 is getting score with almost 70k
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YlV0naJ3ZHo
And in this AP article its also a beast
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/...chmark-scores-leaves-htc-one-m9-in-the-dust/
But the strangery starts here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=32tQpttKXMc
The device is getting a 56 k score and where the scores drop is mostly in gpu and a little in cpu
Also on this gsmarena article the s6 is throttled again i guess
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_mwc_2015-review-1217p5.php
After all, test made on demo units with not final software but the question keeps in my mind that is the exynos 7420 has overheating and throttling issues, even on 14 nm, i don't know that it will be as bad as sd810 but i guess there will be some issues with Samsungs chip also
Here is also 2 more shots from two reviews
In this shot its in peak performance and its a beast
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But again it's throttled in cpu and reduced cpu about %40
I think it's something different. Those high scores are all achieved with the S6 edge(g925)'s, the lower scores are from the regular S6(g920)'s.
I think it's either that the regular S6 software wasn't ready yet or that the regular S6's weren't using the UFS 2 memory yet. As it seems that the UFS 2 memory is the thing that boosts the score (just like a SSD does with PcMark). Notice how close it performs to the M9 that's because they are very similar on the hardware side appart from the UFS 2 storage (and 14nm ofcource) that I think this preview batch of S6's wasn't equipped with.
I think both those reasons and especially the second one make sense and I believe the S6 will be scoring only >65000 scores in antutu after launch.
Also I don't think the cpu/gpu overheats or throttles as they are both running at much lower voltages than in the Note 4. So I believe there is nothing to worry about.
Emieltes said:
I think it's something different. Those high scores are all achieved with the S6 edge(g925)'s, the lower scores are from the regular S6(g920)'s.
I think it's either that the regular S6 software wasn't ready yet or that the regular S6's weren't using the UFS 2 memory yet. As it seems that the UFS 2 memory is the thing that boosts the score (just like a SSD does with PcMark). I think both those reasons and especially the second one make sense and I believe the S6 will be scoring only >65000 scores in antutu after launch.
Also I don't think the cpu/gpu overheats as they are both running at much lower voltages than in the Note 4. So I believe there is nothing to worry about.
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The s6 scored better than the edge tho in a few test
GreeleyXda said:
The s6 scored better than the edge tho in a few test
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I know but those benchmarks in which the S6 won dont take advantage from the internal memory while antutu does. So I think thats only a matter of unfinished software on both the S6 and S6 edge that is causing them to achieve different scores in the benchmarks that dont use the storage. The antutu score difference is another story though.
Emieltes said:
I know but those benchmarks in which the S6 won dont take advantage from the internal memory while antutu does. So I think thats only a matter of unfinished software on both the S6 and S6 edge that is causing them to achieve different scores in the benchmarks that dont use the storage. The antutu score difference is another story though.
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Nope man, nit this time, not from flash storage, cuz this time there's literally no difference between models, all have same storage, same cpu, same camera,only difference is edge screen, and if you look closely the scores of s6 is also about 68-70k and there is definitely a throttling/overheating problem, just don't know that its software side or hardware side and will it affect daily usage or not i mean we don't koniw for sure if the throttling will be as bad as sd810
SLMI said:
Nope man, nit this time, not from flash storage, cuz this time there's literally no difference between models, all have same storage, same cpu, same camera,only difference is edge screen, and if you look closely the scores of s6 is also about 68-70k and there is definitely a throttling/overheating problem, just don't know that its software side or hardware side and will it affect daily usage or not i mean we don't koniw for sure if the throttling will be as bad as sd810
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I haven't seen a regular S6 (G920F) scoring >60k in antutu yet, only S6 edge's (G925F). And I know there is no difference in cpu/gpu and not even display resolution. But since the UFS 2 tech is brand new and only announched somewhere last week I have my reasons to believe They haven't used it on the preview batch regular S6's yet.
I just can't and will not believe that the 7420 throttles since the 5433 didn't and the 7420 is made on a smaller node and runs lower voltages.
Emieltes said:
I haven't seen a regular S6 (G920F) scoring >60k in antutu yet, only S6 edge's (G925F). And I know there is no difference in cpu/gpu and not even display resolution. But since the UFS 2 tech is brand new and only announched somewhere last week I have my reasons to believe They haven't used it on the preview batch regular S6's yet.
I just can't and will not believe that the 7420 throttles since the 5433 didn't and the 7420 is made on a smaller node and runs lower voltages.
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The very first video on the OP shows both the Edge and the normal gs6. The normal gs6 gets around 68K.
suppousedly the note edge was better phone, now when im thinking of getting the edge version the regular s6 is scoring better.
i checked on youtube and people at the event testing the s6 got in the mid 50k range, but on here youre saying as high as 69k. can there really be that big a difference? surely the demo s6 phones at unpack arent that different from what us buyers are getting
hopefully by april ill be able to tell which one is better, tired of my laggy locked verizon note 4
The phone is charging and is 100% screen and people touch it every second for a whole day. Of course the phone gets hot.
joeshmoe08 said:
The very first video on the OP shows both the Edge and the normal gs6. The normal gs6 gets around 68K.
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I must have missed that
Also it seems like there's a throttling in this scores to, cuz exynos usually scores about 5000-5400, but its not as bad as snapdragon as in the article
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...vs-Apple-A8-iPhone-6-benchmark-scores_id66748
The funny thing is that even when it throttles, it is still faster at 56k than the SD810 which benchmarks 55k on the One M9...
tomshardware.fr ran geekbench 6 times. After 6th run, the drop in single core result was less than 1%, and about 4% for multi-core.
So, NO, i am not concerned about throttling.
Don't forget there is still time to optimize further.
Did anyone remember how 810 behaved in Flex 2? Much much worse.
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Before I forget, here's something about M9.
"Device temperate is too high. Please test again after cooling the device. Continue testing may cause system to restart or shut down"
Though remember that all these are done on event floor, where these devices are murdered by everyone. In any case, Exynos appears much safer this time around.
CLARiiON said:
tomshardware.fr ran geekbench 6 times. After 6th run, the drop in single core result was less than 1%, and about 4% for multi-core.
So, NO, i am not concerned about throttling.
Don't forget there is still time to optimize further.
Did anyone remember how 810 behaved in Flex 2? Much much worse.
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Before I forget, here's something about M9.
"Device temperate is too high. Please test again after cooling the device. Continue testing may cause system to restart or shut down"
Though remember that all these are done on event floor, where these devices are murdered by everyone. In any case, Exynos appears much safer this time around.
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how the heck were people getting 60-69k then?
GreeleyXda said:
how the heck were people getting 60-69k then?
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What are you talking about? Explain
And please don't quote whole post with photos.
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What are you talking about? Explain
And please don't quote whole post with photos.
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this.
how are they getting higher scores than all the other people who went to the event and tested the phones.
if its not throttling, then whats going on?
also why are the s6 and edge getting different scores when theyre suppouse to be the same specs (makes it hard to choose which phone to buy)
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this.
how are they getting higher scores than all the other people who went to the event and tested the phones.
if its not throttling, then whats going on?
also why are the s6 and edge getting different scores when theyre suppouse to be the same specs (makes it hard to choose which phone to buy)
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What does M9 score got to do with S6?
Also, I don't like Antutu very much. Major reason is, the results are not repeatable. I will be more interested in Geekbench.
CLARiiON said:
What does M9 score got to do with S6?
Also, I don't like Antutu very much. Major reason is, the results are not repeatable. I will be more interested in Geekbench.
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you posted geekbench scores for the s6.
tc posted antutu scores for the s6
ive seen varies antutu test from the unpacked event on youtube whose scores are way diffferent
just asking why all the scores (both test) vary so much. i cnt figure out which of the s6 models is the better model.
i didnt say anything about the m9 tho
GreeleyXda said:
you posted geekbench scores for the s6.
tc posted antutu scores for the s6
ive seen varies antutu test from the unpacked event on youtube whose scores are way diffferent
just asking why all the scores (both test) vary so much. i cnt figure out which of the s6 models is the better model.
i didnt say anything about the m9 tho
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The Antutu I posted is for M9, not S6.
Antutu results are never same. Over top of that, consider the following factors:
- Pre-release firmware
- These devices gets slaughtered by everyone in events
- They generally connected to power outlet all times - basically the worst thing to do for running benchmarks.
There is bound to be difference in results.
Can we lock these idiotic troll threads..
Suggest some best gaming phones according to you
this review will summarize it all for my recommendation:
Digital Foundry: HTC One M9 review
performance is impressive as there are no additional pixels to push.
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In the face of 2.5K screens used in other flagship phones this year, the choice to avoid bumping the M9's screen resolution is a surprise. In some respects this is a plus point; we're fast approaching a point of diminishing visual turns, and a resolution bump only increases the burden on a processor. The gains would have been slight, unless you plan on pressing your nose up to the glass for a closer inspection.
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Refreshingly, the power doesn't come at the expense of overall clarity, either. Google and Motorola have attempted a similar trick with the Nexus 6, but at maximum volume the M9 is a clear front-runner in this area. The sound tech has a positive impact on call quality too, as the uppermost Boomsound speaker above the screen is used during calls and provides excellent results.
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The M9 is blessed with a fearsome arsenal of tech, but it has attracted some negative attention for generating excessive amounts of heat. It's true that when engaged in a particularly taxing activity the phone's casing becomes noticeably warm, but no more so than many of its cutting-edge rivals, and we suspect the reason it's more immediately obvious here is because the aluminium casing is channelling the heat more effectively. During our review we felt we pushed HTC's device to the limit, and it never got uncomfortably hot - something which was claimed in many early hands-on previews by other sites.
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With this much power to hand, HTC has clearly had to put measures in place to shackle this beast. Running at full pelt, the M9's internals would usually drain its 2840mAh in no time at all. To combat this, the phone attempts to strike a balance by giving you just enough power when you need it, but eases off the accelerator once things become too demanding. It's a problem every mobile maker faces, as battery technology simply isn't keeping pace with CPU evolution, and all that can be done is to cram bigger power cells into phones. While the M9 certainly isn't the most ravenous handset we've encountered, its stamina is hardly awe-inspiring. You'll almost certainly have to charge it every day if you intend to make the most of the Snapdragon 810 chipset's potential.
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Games run very smoothly on the HTC One M9, a consequence of improving the processor while keeping the screen resolution the same as last year. The Boomsound speakers bring audio to life too, making this feel - at times - like a genuine console experience.
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HTC's handset has the added advantage of expandability too; you can slot in a microSD card of up to 128GB in capacity. This will come as excellent news to those who want to use their phone as a multimedia powerhouse, although it should be noted that inserting a card containing a lot of content could impact the overall performance of the phone.
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If you're willing to wait, I suggest waiting for the Note 5. (October/November).
If not, the M9 or the Note 4 are your best bets. The 5.0" M9 has a lower resolution and a slightly newer cpu/gpu, but the Note 4 has 5.7", 2K and an AMOLED screen. Especially the latter results in better colours and infinite contrast (black=black).
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HTC's handset has the added advantage of expandability too; you can slot in a microSD card of up to 128GB in capacity. This will come as excellent news to those who want to use their phone as a multimedia powerhouse, although it should be noted that inserting a card containing a lot of content could impact the overall performance of the phone.
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Dropping a .nomedia file in every folder you don't need to see in a media player excludes that folder, and the files and folders in it, from the indexing service. (You can still launch the files from the file explorer) This prevents the performance impact. I've got about 8.000 pdf files in one folder on my MicroSD, with the .nomedia file the folder is skipped and doesn't affect the device.
hamdir said:
this review will summarize it all for my recommendation:
Digital Foundry: HTC One M9 review
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?thanks for providing me with such deep info. I will definitely follow up with it.......
ShadowLea said:
If you're willing to wait, I suggest waiting for the Note 5. (October/November).
If not, the M9 or the Note 4 are your best bets. The 5.0" M9 has a lower resolution and a slightly newer cpu/gpu, but the Note 4 has 5.7", 2K and an AMOLED screen. Especially the latter results in better colours and infinite contrast (black=black).
Tiny addendum to:
Dropping a .nomedia file in every folder you don't need to see in a media player excludes that folder, and the files and folders in it, from the indexing service. (You can still launch the files from the file explorer) This prevents the performance impact. I've got about 8.000 pdf files in one folder on my MicroSD, with the .nomedia file the folder is skipped and doesn't affect the device.
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/Thanks for your valuable suggestion but i dont like Note series.I hope you won't mind......
@thebestappgames
Have you gotten your pic? There are so many smartphones for gaming this quarter of 2015. some Rankings
Care to look into the latest Nexus series? Nexus 5 and up.
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If not, the M9 or the Note 4 are your best bets. The 5.0" M9 has a lower resolution and a slightly newer cpu/gpu, but the Note 4 has 5.7", 2K and an AMOLED screen. Especially the latter results in better colours and infinite contrast
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2k is not really a good thing as it wastes precious GPU power, but yea the screen overall is more gorgeous on the N4/S6
however there is one very imporant factor and that is GPU throttling, and the way HTC does it is better:
if you check the Anandtech reviews, the S6 has the exact gaming problem on every Samsung flagship, ie: jumping frame-rates, even though HTC throttles the GPU on the latest M9 base they do it with grace, it steadily slows down and eventually holds at the M8 speed (after 50 minutes), if you let it cool (for 2-5 minutes thanks to metal) it jumps back up and you start the cycle again, on the s6 the GPU throttling is constantly jumping up and down, which affects real world gaming:
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The end performance actually ends up being quite similar to the One M8, but performance during the test is much higher than what we saw on the One M8.
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The one major issue here that is visible from the FPS vs time graph is that Samsung continues to struggle with graceful throttling as the GPU attempts to always target maximum performance, which causes a strong rise and fall in frame rate as the GPU goes through periods of high and low clock speeds determined by the thermal governor.
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With that said, there are still problems with Samsung Mobile’s drivers, as we see some pretty poor user experience from thermally throttled situations due to the oscillating behavior of GPU performance.
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This is why i prefer gaming on HTC since the M8 because they figured out how to do gaming finally after years of mess on Android, they know how to do it the iPhone way, Samsung is all about brute but no care about actual real world experience, a jumpy frame rate like that will kill any gaming experience
i dont kow if that affects the Note series though, I think the Note surely has better thermal release than the SGS6 due to its size and no glass
In general the best gaming Android gamer is either the M8 or M9, especially when we take audio into account
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Have you gotten your pic? There are so many smartphones for gaming this quarter of 2015. some Rankings
Care to look into the latest Nexus series? Nexus 5 and up.
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/Nexus 5 is a good deal but I was thinking of MOTO Maxx. What do you say?
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2k is not really a good thing as it wastes precious GPU power, but yea the screen overall is more gorgeous on the N4/S6
however there is one very imporant factor and that is GPU throttling, and the way HTC does it is better:
if you check the Anandtech reviews, the S6 has the exact gaming problem on every Samsung flagship, ie: jumping frame-rates, even though HTC throttles the GPU on the latest M9 base they do it with grace, it steadily slows down and eventually holds at the M8 speed (after 50 minutes), if you let it cool (for 2-5 minutes thanks to metal) it jumps back up and you start the cycle again, on the s6 the GPU throttling is constantly jumping up and down, which affects real world gaming:
This is why i prefer gaming on HTC since the M8 because they figured out how to do gaming finally after years of mess on Android, they know how to do it the iPhone way, Samsung is all about brute but no care about actual real world experience, a jumpy frame rate like that will kill any gaming experience
i dont kow if that affects the Note series though, I think the Note surely has better thermal release than the SGS6 due to its size and no glass
In general the best gaming Android gamer is either the M8 or M9, especially when we take audio into account
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/You have given me so many options that its difficult for me to choose I am confused. You are having quite deap knowledge in this stuff can you tell me Is Motto Maxx a good option or not?
If the priority is gaming, I'd say go with a Nexus 6. Bigass screen, front-facing speakers. What more could you want?
Best eyecandy gaming experience -> S6 antutu 65k (but the battery is its dissea)
Best earcandy gaming experience -> m9 antutu 57k
Gaming over longer time -> note 4 antutu 41k
I dont know what to buy :/ i use s4 atm and playing heavy games like mc5 is crap compared to s6. But therefore battery is crap in s6.
Conclusion: be patient for note 5 to arrive this september. Ill probably still buy the s6 in two weeks because of its performance. And then later the note 5
Xperia Z1, Mi 4i, zenfone2,
Way high. Anyone having issues is not making the right yes no questions about LGs location tracing service and the stupid McAfee bloatware install. I just owned pretty much everything with my scores. No need root.
No need disable cores.
SnapDragon 810 is fine. Users are stupid as usual.
Antutu is scoring over what iphone 6 should too... Over 47000 something. You have to remember unless you root and tweak this phone it is a dialed down snapdragon 810. You have to bring it back to full speed to get full speed benchmarks that would match and beat a galaxy s6. For whatever reason LG did that, it definitely does make it slower out of the box than the s6 in benchmarks. But after you de-crap your unrooted version. It runs plenty fast and not laggy.
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Antutu is scoring over what iphone 6 should too... Over 47000 something. You have to remember unless you root and tweak this phone it is a dialed down snapdragon 810. You have to bring it back to full speed to get full speed benchmarks that would match and beat a galaxy s6. For whatever reason LG did that, it definitely does make it slower out of the box than the s6 in benchmarks. But after you de-crap your unrooted version. It runs plenty fast and not laggy.
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The SD810 should be getting scores above 50,000 on Antutu and as for mopping the floors with everything the GS6 scores around 69,000. The 810 would score well over what my current benchmarks are, which is around 52,000 if there weren't heating issues.
If I let the cpu cool down to 20C I can get an antutu score of 58,000. I'm going to see if I can add a copper shim and thermal compound. It really made a big difference when I did that with my old galaxy nexus.
DIY manual PLZ!!!
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If I let the cpu cool down to 20C I can get an antutu score of 58,000. I'm going to see if I can add a copper shim and thermal compound. It really made a big difference when I did that with my old galaxy nexus.
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The problem is when you run it a second or third time you get a score that's comparable to galaxy s5 scores lol
guys, please.
You own Snapdragon 810, 64-bit TOP Qualcomm processor. It's perfect with his on-paper specs, so let's try to make him perfect in real.
The only thing matters is the UI lagging. Do you really meet your friends and say "Yo, dude, my phone took 58k points in Antutu?" No, you say "dude, it's fast" or not fast.
It's G Flex 2 - it's alredy curve, stylish and sexy. It points attention to itself. So is there a huge difference between 58k or 48k points in Antutu? Does this really matter, when you like your phone?
If you really need that points - go and buy that awkward, terribly looking SGS6.
I'm on this board because I like to tweak with my phone. I enjoy pushing hardware and seeing what its capable of. I didn't really buy my LG Flex 2 to show off but I'm pretty sure most of us are here because we already like our phones.
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I'm on this board because I like to tweak with my phone. I enjoy pushing hardware and seeing what its capable of. I didn't really buy my LG Flex 2 to show off but I'm pretty sure most of us are here because we already like our phones.
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This. I love doing this stuff. Especially when a phone has such physical appeal as the Flex 2. We may have out of the box issues, but that's why we're here. To iron out those issues!
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guys, please.
You own Snapdragon 810, 64-bit TOP Qualcomm processor. It's perfect with his on-paper specs, so let's try to make him perfect in real.
The only thing matters is the UI lagging. Do you really meet your friends and say "Yo, dude, my phone took 58k points in Antutu?" No, you say "dude, it's fast" or not fast.
It's G Flex 2 - it's alredy curve, stylish and sexy. It points attention to itself. So is there a huge difference between 58k or 48k points in Antutu? Does this really matter, when you like your phone?
If you really need that points - go and buy that awkward, terribly looking SGS6.
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I love my phone... Until it gets hot, starts going unbareably slow and I have to sit there holding the power button for 30 seconds for the phone to reboot because rebooting normally would take about 5 to 10 minutes due to throttling. The phone is gorgeous but runs far from it. "We" are looking for ways to push it so it doesn't have these problem. Going with the mentality that "oh it's qualcomms best so it's amazing" mentality is ignorant. No offense but it is :/... Until issue are fixed with it the 808 and 805 run better because of speed and reliability (less lag) I am also a member of XDA to push my device and make it better. So no I'm not happy with this half baked chip until we come up with a way to fully bring out it's potential and share it with the community.
That is really odd because somehow I'm not experiencing lag. No matter how hard I push my phone it never seems to lag. I have the AT&T version of this phone. Could it be possible that somehow the AT&T version is different? From what I've been reading I haven't heard any one with the AT&T version complain about lag. Even when I try to push my phone hard I never see it go past 37C. If I run benchmarks for a long time like Antutu four times in a row the highest I've seen is 47C and even then my phone doesn't lag at all. So I'm wondering what's different on the phones with users that experiencing that much lag.
They may have throttled down the A57s to 1.5ghz. They've been doing that with them to try to fix the heat issues
In my AT&T model my A57 cores run at 2ghz but at around 40c it disables two cores and drops them to 1.55ghz.
The att version comes with 3 gigs of ram instead of 2
Yes but that shouldn't cause such a dramatic performance difference.
Of course it can. Most people talk about they can factory reset their device and it runs smooth as butter. Sounds like the phone starts to chug when it is loaded down with user data and apps with background processes.
I guess it can depending on how much stuff is running in the background. I know on my Galaxy S4 with 2GB of ram it runs smooth with cm11 android 5.1 no matter how many things are open. Although it also doesn't have the bloatware that comes with an OEM device.
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That is really odd because somehow I'm not experiencing lag. No matter how hard I push my phone it never seems to lag. I have the AT&T version of this phone. Could it be possible that somehow the AT&T version is different? From what I've been reading I haven't heard any one with the AT&T version complain about lag. Even when I try to push my phone hard I never see it go past 37C. If I run benchmarks for a long time like Antutu four times in a row the highest I've seen is 47C and even then my phone doesn't lag at all. So I'm wondering what's different on the phones with users that experiencing that much lag.
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I have EU version and I have no lag as well with v10e. Phone runs around 40C when gaming or browsing. There is some delay when multitasking, but no significant lag.
I have the S22 ultra with the exynos variant and it appears to be scoring extremely low on geekbench aswell as having bad camera quality for some reason, I just got it today, updated all the software on it and ran geekbench 5 with all background apps closed and processing speed set to max and this is the score I got...:
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The best I was able to get it to was with GOS disabled and the processing speed set to max was 620 single core and 3200 multicore which is still bad for an exynos 2200, this is very bad because I know that the exynos 2200 atleast scores 800-1100+ single core in this benchmark and idk what is going on here with my phone. but this gets even worse..
AnTuTu Benchmark:
I don't know what's causing this but there seems to be from what I assume a huge image processing problem with exynos samsung phones because I haven't seen anyone post about this specific problem I have right now, the problem is with my camera saying it's abysmal would be an understatement, my camera performance is bad, so bad in fact that I'm legit crying from pain looking at this..
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This camera quality just doesn't feel right at all for a flagship phone like this, please guys I need suggestions on what to do, the phone micro stutters in games aswell and in night mode the camera preview stutters badly, like I'm on a budget phone, I thought samsung fixed this sh*t with exynos and apparently not since this is literally new from Amazon straight out of the box. I'm disappointed how the phone that I was so excited for turns out like this, please help.
I would suggest you return it. The subpar performance on so many levels is cause for concern.
This is what I get on "Geekbench 5" without any optimization (loads of junk running)
Must be something wrong with your phone.
Camera(s) work great for me too.
I had mine since March and it has been performing nicely, both phone and camera. That said, if I felt it is somehow underperforming or was unhappy with it then it would have been sent back
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I have the S22 ultra with the exynos variant and it appears to be scoring extremely low on geekbench aswell as having bad camera quality for some reason, I just got it today, updated all the software on it and ran geekbench 5 with all background apps closed and processing speed set to max and this is the score I got...:
The best I was able to get it to was with GOS disabled and the processing speed set to max was 620 single core and 3200 multicore which is still bad for an exynos 2200, this is very bad because I know that the exynos 2200 atleast scores 800-1100+ single core in this benchmark and idk what is going on here with my phone. but this gets even worse..
AnTuTu Benchmark:
I don't know what's causing this but there seems to be from what I assume a huge image processing problem with exynos samsung phones because I haven't seen anyone post about this specific problem I have right now, the problem is with my camera saying it's abysmal would be an understatement, my camera performance is bad, so bad in fact that I'm legit crying from pain looking at this..
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This camera quality just doesn't feel right at all for a flagship phone like this, please guys I need suggestions on what to do, the phone micro stutters in games aswell and in night mode the camera preview stutters badly, like I'm on a budget phone, I thought samsung fixed this sh*t with exynos and apparently not since this is literally new from Amazon straight out of the box. I'm disappointed how the phone that I was so excited for turns out like this, please help.
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Mate try a factory reset. Much heat in your country? Can also be a Problem :/
Btw which Temperature Monitor are you using? Thanks
Goku1992 said:
Mate try a factory reset. Much heat in your country? Can also be a Problem :/
Btw which Temperature Monitor are you using? Thanks
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I tried factory resetting it 2 times from the settings aswell as using ODIN, and it didn't work this is a phone issue, but I didn't know samsung's exynos problems can extend to even the camera, and yes it's summer out here but all the testing I've done was in an air conditioned room at 17C, and I used AnTuTu to monitor my CPU's heat
I have also moved to S22 ultra Exynos Uk varaint from Snapdragon Note 10 plus and it seems downgraded in many things i.e it overheat on the rear side next to camera lenses when you start using the camera for few minute or start watching videos and I don't even use the phone for gaming....speaker and battery seem worse than note 10 plus. It only has better display because of higher brightness/ higher refreshes rate and the camera is slightly better when compared photos side by side and some photos even look better on note 10 plus if you don't go for zoom more than 2x. I assume s21 Ultra Exynos seems better than s22 ultra..I am thinking to return
My benchmarks are ok on the s22uExy but overall the performance isn't great,lags and frame drops everywhere and it heats pretty quickly and then throttles too. Pretty poor performance for the price of the phone.
Had 2 different Exynos models to shorly after its release.
3 days ago i bought a snapdragon model 256gb, brand new one on an auction on ebay from a guy in germany.
Finally this gives me the flagship feeling i expected from the beginning.
But when i finishes this phone i give Samsung a 2-3 years break... To untrustworthy to me now... I just needed the stylus so bad.
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I tried factory resetting it 2 times from the settings aswell as using ODIN, and it didn't work this is a phone issue, but I didn't know samsung's exynos problems can extend to even the camera, and yes it's summer out here but all the testing I've done was in an air conditioned room at 17C, and I used AnTuTu to monitor my CPU's heat
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I ran Geekbench 5 on my previous phone, OnePlus 6 (from 2018, though running Android 11, good official support) and it gave results similar to your original post.
I find it odd that so many S22U Exynos users are reporting this abysmal (for a 2022 flagship) performance. The camera samples you provided are horrific too, mine look fantastic on all four cameras using the stock app, by far the best smartphone photos I've ever seen and taken without add-on lenses.
So, is it some kind of quality control issue? That some units are just terrible? Seems so odd, if the chipset was that dysfunctional, how come the phone even runs at all?
Very curious about this.
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I ran Geekbench 5 on my previous phone, OnePlus 6 (from 2018, though running Android 11, good official support) and it gave results similar to your original post.
I find it odd that so many S22U Exynos users are reporting this abysmal (for a 2022 flagship) performance. The camera samples you provided are horrific too, mine look fantastic on all four cameras using the stock app, by far the best smartphone photos I've ever seen and taken without add-on lenses.
So, is it some kind of quality control issue? That some units are just terrible? Seems so odd, if the chipset was that dysfunctional, how come the phone even runs at all?
Very curious about this.
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The phone runs, but runs slowly in every possible way, when doing normal tasks like watching netflix/youtube it runs like it should, but when pushing the cpu any further, like playing games or using the camera games would just stutter from the start and the phone will get hot and battery is going to drain quickly, and for the camera I legit got no clue how would this happen, it could be a quality control issue but I highly doubt it is, because the quality of the camera is abysmal on all cameras, which means this has to be some sort of really really bad CPU issue, which if it is I'm surprised this phone even runs... samsung and their exynos bs back at it again..
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I tried factory resetting it 2 times from the settings aswell as using ODIN, and it didn't work this is a phone issue, but I didn't know samsung's exynos problems can extend to even the camera, and yes it's summer out here but all the testing I've done was in an air conditioned room at 17C, and I used AnTuTu to monitor my CPU's heat
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Mate thats ****ing bad :/ i have room Temperature of about 26C and everything is working fine... On 17C your phone should be flying...
ZephKeks said:
The phone runs, but runs slowly in every possible way, when doing normal tasks like watching netflix/youtube it runs like it should, but when pushing the cpu any further, like playing games or using the camera games would just stutter from the start and the phone will get hot and battery is going to drain quickly, and for the camera I legit got no clue how would this happen, it could be a quality control issue but I highly doubt it is, because the quality of the camera is abysmal on all cameras, which means this has to be some sort of really really bad CPU issue, which if it is I'm surprised this phone even runs... samsung and their exynos bs back at it again..
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Hi, by any chance, are you using an heavy case like Otterbox ?
Cause I get similar very low geekbench score and horrible lag in games when the phone is in my Otterbox, but if I remove it, I get scores like Pichulec
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I'm getting:
Single core 1142
Multicore 3384
So it's ok I guess.
bal12452 said:
Hi, by any chance, are you using an heavy case like Otterbox ?
Cause I get similar very low geekbench score and horrible lag in games when the phone is in my Otterbox, but if I remove it, I get scores like Pichulec
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Using the original samsung flip cover case
EDIT: Update, I just let the phone cool off and this time I magically got a score that's normal for my CPU
It's very inconsistent it ranges from 700 to 1100+, right now my biggest problem is the camera being bad, does anyone know what I could do about that please :/.,
any ideas on how I could fix my horrible camera quality?
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any ideas on how I could fix my horrible camera quality?
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Have you tried factory reset? Are you on newest Firmware?
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Have you tried factory reset? Are you on newest Firmware?
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He did. 2 times. post #6.
Hello everyone,
This thread will be used as a hub where I share some discoveries/observations which I stumbled upon mostly during working on my kernel projects.
I´ll clone the same thread over to the Pixel 7 forum as well. So without much further ado let´s just dive right into it.
A year ago everyone was excited for the Google SoC called Tensor 1 called GS101. One year later there is Tensor 2 called GS201.
I suggest to read about the differences, updated modem, ISP, TPU and GPU in various tech related articles.
Here´s a table so everyone gets up to speed on cores used, max freqs and other details:
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But how does that translate on the devices?
There were quite a few rumors before the actual release of the Tensor 2 SoC being manufactured on 4nm Samsung node instead of 5nm. However that was just wild speculation and unfortunately turned out to be not accurate. Tensor G2 is still manufactured in the 5nm process as confirmed by Google. This was quite a negative surprise to myself, as I don´t have good experiences from SD888 that´s also being manufactured in Samsung 5nm node and is quite a hot chip. While the switch to Samsung 4nm node, wasn´t all that great either (check sd8 gen1 on samsung 4nm vs sd8+ gen1 on tsmc 4nm) it would still have been an improvement.
While I was very excited for the Tensor G1 when the Pixel 6 devices launched, that excitement ebbed down the work I worked on the Pixel 6 series. The more I learned about the source, the more I stumbled upon Exynos driver over exynos driver, some are just left exactly like on Exynos device, some were "re-branded" by Google. Some Google did customize, but most of the drivers are just very much Exynos.
So all in all the following excerpt from Andrei Frumusanu´s article here sums it up pretty fitting:
While Google doesn’t appear to want to talk about it, the chip very clearly has provenance as a collaboration between Google and Samsung, and has a large amount of its roots in Samsung Exynos SoC architectures.
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The same is true for the Tensor 2, despite minor upgrades there. As I learned over the time, Tensor shares a lot of Exynos characteristics, one of those is performance vs thermals as hinted by in the linked Anandtech article. So let´s just jump into that first topic I want to cover.
I will cover more topics, those will also be probably interconnected to each other, but we have to start somewhere.
Thermals, Thermal Ceiling, Exynos Roots and Maximal Performance
To start things of: Thermals is a term that actually sums up a few mechanisms. Lets split this into two main areas.
The thermal ceiling (let´s call it that) that´s being implemented in the kernel, as the maximal temperature the SoC is allowed to be operated at.
The thermal-hal uses combined sensors, also virtual sensor, and restricts different subsystems, based on the temperature of those sensor. Those can be called skin temps, shell-temps, battery temperature, modem temperature etc.
First let´s explore the thermal ceiling on the two SoCs:
GS101 on Pixel 6 devices is allowed to be operated at 90°C. GS 201 on Pixel 7 devices raised the thermal ceiling by 10°C to 100°C.
If changes to the internal design allowed them to raise this, without further increasing heatup of the device, or if they just applied changes to the thermal-hal to better keep this in check I don´t know at this moment.
Let´s get back to the Exynos characterstics. I talked to a few other developers I met along that way with Exynos "experience". Exynos SoCs reach the thermal ceiling extremely quickly, as I learned. This means, the SoC can´t keep its max CPU freqs for more than a few seconds without touching the thermal ceiling and getting restricted. This is in a way also the case for other SoCs, but Exynos is very extreme in this regard. But it´s just the characteristics of the SoC, like previously mentioned.
That means in turn: The thermal ceiling is setting the maximal performance allowed, to a great extent. If the thermal ceiling is raised, the maximum performance can be held longer.
Here´s a demonstration of this:
Pixel 6 Pro in its default configuration running at 90°C temp ceiling:
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Pixel 6 Pro with temperature ceiling raised to 100°C, instead of 90°C running at Pixel 7 Pro clocks
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That´s the Pixel 7 Pro, with the default configuration of 100°C
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Now what´s interesting, the big cores get the hottest at the quickest rate. Once the ceiling is reached, the max performance drops, as maximal performance will be restricted by restrict max cpu freqs.
That´s the case after a few seconds on both SoCs, in typcial Exynos fashion.
Let´s make the next connection:
Although I´m not necessarily a friend of benchmark apps, how does that change the results of a CPU oriented benchmark like Geekbench you might ask yourself. There are other benchmarks, but I want to keep this simple for now.
The answer is: The Pixel 6 Pro with GS101 gets pretty close to the results of the Pixel 7 Pro with GS201.
So for comparisons sake:
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On the left Pixel 6 Pro in its default configuration running at 90°C temp ceiling.
On the right Pixel 6 Pro with temperature ceiling raised to 100°C, instead of 90°C running at Pixel 7 Pro clocks.
The kernel used was the same, no changes to anything that could impact performance.
The left screenshot above was taken from the Pixel 7 Pro review from XDA, while the right one was taken on my Pixel 7 Pro running my kernel.
Please don´t start benchmark contests now, It´s just for comparisons sake.
It makes sense for single-core to be less impacted, as single core benchmarks don´t put as much thermal pressure on the SoC -> not touching the thermal ceiling as much and therefore no cutback are applied.
Geekbench applies a series of short benchmarks to the device. Usually not longer than 3-8 seconds, which is ideal for a SoC like the Tensor. Short bursts with max performance, so it can run "nearly" without touching the thermal ceiling.
If a benchmark is structured differently, like the CPU stress test you will see QCOM SoCs holding their max-freqs for minutes, instead of seconds.
Well that´s the first part. More to come. I hope everyone enjoyed this little writeup so far.
I wish everyone a nice evening.
Thermal Ceiling/Maximal Performance - A comparison between QCOM Snapdragon and Tensor
Now you might ask yourself, how does QCOM´s Snapdragon behave in the little test we conducted above.
You can find the answer below.
For this a Zenfone 9 with the Snapdragon 8 + Gen 1 is used.
Pixel 6 Pro in its default configuration running at 90°C temp ceiling:
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Pixel 7 Pro, with the default configuration of 100°C:
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Asus Zenfone 9, with the default configuration of 110°C temp ceiling:
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As you can see the Zenfone 9 with SD 8+ Gen 1 can hold the max-freqs for minutes. It doesn´t touch the thermal ceiling when running under max load for a minute, while Tensor immediately scratches the ceiling.
I´m not a SoC expert and I think only engineers with insider knowledge know the exact reason why Exynos based SoCs behave that way. They just seem to work totally different in that regard.
Another point is, since the SoCs are different we can´t compare the temperatures one to one. There´s no way for me to know the exact placement of the temperature sensors, all I can say for sure is the SD 8+ Gen 1, does not touch the thermal ceiling in this test and there seems to be a lot of headway after one minute of maxed out CPU.
In the end the result will be the same. After a while the device will heat up and the thermal-hal will throttle the ZF9 back as well, as with only passive cooling that´s inevitable.
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Glad to have same phone as you good work
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I hope everyone enjoyed this little writeup so far.
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I am! This is very cool; thanks for doing this! Most of us (myself included) don't have the knowledge to do (or interest in doing) this ourselves, but enjoy learning more. Thank you for all that you do, both this writeup and your kernel (which I've used since the Pixel 3 days).
@Freak07 Interested in your thoughts on this CPU 'Power Efficiency' comparison. Seems a very well thought out review, although only compares the G1 Tensor.
updated the second post, with a comparison between QCOM´s Snapdragon and Google´s Tensor
Google never intended Tensor to be a flagship SoC, it was just meant to have bursts of flagship-level performance. I haven't had any complaints about the day to day or demand performance honestly, it's been WAY smoother than my OnePlus 9 with the SD888 that almost sent me back to Apple, but I will confirm that I ran the full 15 minute test when I first got the phone and it throttled to 78% near the end.
P7 also appears to stop charging, or charge at 500ma once the battery reaches 40c, which is a concern since high drain situations are usually the time where you want to have the device plugged in.
There's also not much headroom since normal temp alone when charging with no load is around 37c.
One thing I haven't noticed is throttling, this phone gets hot and is inefficient, but I haven't experienced any throttling on any day to day use.
My S22U is ice cold when playing media and quickly becomes a dumpster fire once you load up a game. The p7p runs hot when playing media and barely loses performance during gaming. It's weird.
Agenesis said:
The p7p runs hot when playing media and barely loses performance during gaming. It's weird.
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What media were you running out of curiosity?
EtherealRemnant said:
Google never intended Tensor to be a flagship SoC, it was just meant to have bursts of flagship-level performance. I haven't had any complaints about the day to day or demand performance honestly, it's been WAY smoother than my OnePlus 9 with the SD888 that almost sent me back to Apple, but I will confirm that I ran the full 15 minute test when I first got the phone and it throttled to 78% near the end.
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What really defines a flagship SoC?
For me tensor pretty much is a flagship SoC. Not necessarily ẃhen chasing the highest benchmark scores.
I´ll link my post from the p6 pro thread here.
Agenesis said:
P7 also appears to stop charging, or charge at 500ma once the battery reaches 40c, which is a concern since high drain situations are usually the time where you want to have the device plugged in.
There's also not much headroom since normal temp alone when charging with no load is around 37c.
One thing I haven't noticed is throttling, this phone gets hot and is inefficient, but I haven't experienced any throttling on any day to day use.
My S22U is ice cold when playing media and quickly becomes a dumpster fire once you load up a game. The p7p runs hot when playing media and barely loses performance during gaming. It's weird.
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Charging while the device is hot is not good for battery health. Don´t charge while your device is under load as well. Both are detrimental to battery health.
Charging is done, so it usally reaches close to, but doesn´t cross 40°C if you don´t touch the phone.
I don´t have that at all. Watching streams, youtube videos the device doesn´t get hot. Maybe a bit warm, especially if I load a few apps in between, but not hot.
I don´t game much though, so I can´t comment much on this matter.
I played a bit of this game and the device didn´t get hot as well. Though I guess you can´t really call that a demanding game. Maybe it´s also optimized quite well for android.
i dont understand obsession on benchmarks for phones.
these are not PCs lol
as long as the phone does not lag or slow down when doing everything you need then its fine
Freak07 said:
What really defines a flagship SoC?
For me tensor pretty much is a flagship SoC. Not necessarily ẃhen chasing the highest benchmark scores.
I´ll link my post from the p6 pro thread here.
Charging while the device is hot is not good for battery health. Don´t charge while your device is under load as well. Both are detrimental to battery health.
Charging is done, so it usally reaches close to, but doesn´t cross 40°C if you don´t touch the phone.
I don´t have that at all. Watching streams, youtube videos the device doesn´t get hot. Maybe a bit warm, especially if I load a few apps in between, but not hot.
I don´t game much though, so I can´t comment much on this matter.
I played a bit of this game and the device didn´t get hot as well. Though I guess you can´t really call that a demanding game. Maybe it´s also optimized quite well for android.
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The Tensor is definitely meant to be upper midrange with bursty performance rather than a flagship with steady high performance. I mean Google could have gone to Samsung 4nm and chose not to while being totally aware of the peak performance issues with the first gen Tensor and even bumped the clocks so it seems to me they aren't really unhappy the position of the Tensor chip relative to everything else. It's going to be a distinctly midrange chip compared to the 2023 flagships if the rumors about the gains Qualcomm got from switching to TSMC end up panning out.
EtherealRemnant said:
The Tensor is definitely meant to be upper midrange with bursty performance rather than a flagship with steady high performance. I mean Google could have gone to Samsung 4nm and chose not to while being totally aware of the peak performance issues with the first gen Tensor and even bumped the clocks so it seems to me they aren't really unhappy the position of the Tensor chip relative to everything else. It's going to be a distinctly midrange chip compared to the 2023 flagships if the rumors about the gains Qualcomm got from switching to TSMC end up panning out.
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I have a theory I've mentioned before that since Google depends on Samsung for so much, you have to consider that Samsung doesn't necessarily make the best of the best available for Google to purchase at a reasonable price since Google's products effectively compete with Samsung's own, and Samsung has Google more "over the barrel" than Google does Samsung.
roirraW edor ehT said:
I have a theory I've mentioned before that since Google depends on Samsung for so much, you have to consider that Samsung doesn't necessarily make the best of the best available for Google to purchase at a reasonable price since Google's products effectively compete with Samsung's own, and Samsung has Google more "over the barrel" than Google does Samsung.
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This is certainly possible. I also think that Google is pretty happy with Tensor overall. They have never marketed this phone as the top performing device but the performance it does have is pretty solid. Until I installed the beta, I hadn't even seen any random lag, which is amazing to me coming from the mess that was the OnePlus 9.
Thought this might be a good place to share this...
Chip chat! And not the cool ranch kind. In the fourth episode of the #MadeByGoogle podcast, our host Rachid Finge speaks with Monika Gupta, Senior Director of Product Management for Google Silicon Teams, about the Tensor G2 chip in Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro. Monika and Rachid discuss Google’s AI first approach, how Tensor got its name, its role in our favourite speech and camera features, and why classical benchmarks for chips don’t always tell the whole story.
Episode 04 – Chip Chat
Chip chat! And not the cool ranch kind. In the fourth episode of the #MadeByGoogle podcast, our host Rachid Finge speaks with Monika Gupta, Senior Director of Product Management for Google Silicon Teams, about the Tensor G2 chip in Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro. Monika and Rachid discuss Google’s AI...
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This thread still alive/relevant? 'Cause I've been looking for information on how to access the TPU on the Tensor chip and didn't find anything
My dream is to be able some day to run LLaMA on Tensor's TPU via ggml/llama.cpp - but for that you'd need to know how to access the TPU directly and that doesn't seem to be possible in any way... or may be I missed something?