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[Q] Why is the Nexus so Slow.

The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
On digging futher. I traced the problem back to the speed governors and thermal management on the nexus 5.
There are quite a few articles discussing how the Note 3 CPU throttling differs from the Nexus 5.
Hell some benchmarks report that the nexus 5 is even slower than the nexus 4.1
WTF Google all this noise about Kit Kat and you get blwon out of the water by older slower phones.
Is there anyway for us to fix this.
Is there anyway for us to use and load the Note 3 system UI and Kernel on the nexus. As they both have identical CPU and GPU.
Please somebody come up with a fix for this.
I tried one of the Kernels on here that claimed to solve this problem But it resulted in frequent hangs and black screens.
Had to reload factory image just to boot.
Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.

Hi,
If your concern is only about bench, flash this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2537299, then take a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506965...
Stock is slow in bench (compared to other devices) right, but not in general UI...
For the other parts of your post... No comment . One thing is, I think, you should read and learn a bit more... and have a different approach in your reasoning...

I, on the other hand, will comment on your reasoning: you think that benchmarks show real life performance of a device? You have no idea what you're talking about, and exposing your ignorance in such a post is not very wise.
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So... Even when the phone performs extremely and blazing FAST (because it does and you know it) you are calling it slow because of benchmarks results. When, by the way, samsung CHEATS in benchmarks It's proven that they push the CPU and the GPU to clock speeds that are never used when you actually use the phone, and lock them there, but only during the benchmark. When you exit the benchmark, the phone returns to a normal state. That's called CHEATING you know.
https://www.google.es/search?q=sams...7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
And you want the sluggish samsung UI in your nexus? You, sir... You... No, I just can't understand you

benchmarks are not real life usage. I had to come to that same realization as well. Who cares if your phone can score 30k+ on antutu or whatever if it lags and stutters on anything else. What matters is all around scrolling fluency,speed of app open,performance in games etc. not a number on a list

LOL, this has to be trolling, you cannot be for real. Thanks for the good laugh :laugh:
If, by the slight chance you are serious, I must ask what apps, etc you use that are "slow" and/or causing lag??
What do you wish was faster?

Ha ha. Holiday chuckles. Thanks for this
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RonChinoy said:
The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
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Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks

Oh no....not again.

the nexus 5 in no way is slow. not even in benchmarks. maybe you dont know how to benchmark properly, maybe the reviews that you read the people dont know how to benchmark properly. but slow and nexus 5 do not go together. besides for benchmarks, which should mean absolutely nothing to you, its the fastest device out there in user experience as well, which is way more important than a benchmark.. oh, btw, i run my nexus 5 at 2880mhz without a single problem.
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I learned this too the Nexus 5 if you're on 100% Completely stock doesn't give its 100% percent effort
using an app such as System monitor with the floating window, my nexus 5 clocks @ 1.7ghz - 1.4Ghz and it only uses 2 cores for the entire benchmark
I look @ my cheating S3 and once i opened the app the CPU was reved up to 1.5Ghz and stayed like that entire benchmark

RonChinoy said:
The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
On digging futher. I traced the problem back to the speed governors and thermal management on the nexus 5.
There are quite a few articles discussing how the Note 3 CPU throttling differs from the Nexus 5.
Hell some benchmarks report that the nexus 5 is even slower than the nexus 4.1
WTF Google all this noise about Kit Kat and you get blwon out of the water by older slower phones.
Is there anyway for us to fix this.
Is there anyway for us to use and load the Note 3 system UI and Kernel on the nexus. As they both have identical CPU and GPU.
Please somebody come up with a fix for this.
I tried one of the Kernels on here that claimed to solve this problem But it resulted in frequent hangs and black screens.
Had to reload factory image just to boot.
Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.
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Yeah, I buy a phone to play benchmarks too! They're pretty fun... I can't enjoy my phone unless the numbers that benchmarks show me are higher than other peoples numbers.

If you didn't know already, other phones that aren't a nexus will automatically force the processor to run at max speed whenever a benchmark app is opened. Therefore, there is no throttling when the benchmark is running. On nexus devices it won't do that and it'll just regulate the processor speed according to what it needs (most of the time it won't even use all 4 cores). This is why other phones will seem to get a higher score than the n5 when it comes to benchmarks.

Ha... Obviously your OP is a joke. I gave my son my Note3 and had the S4 before that since it came out and I can assure you my Nexus5 is quicker in every way for day-to-day usage.
I'm not dogging the Samsung phones because they are awesome but your statement about the N5 being slower is false.
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mmmmBACON said:
Yeah, I buy a phone to play benchmarks too! They're pretty fun... I can't enjoy my phone unless the numbers that benchmarks show me are higher than other peoples numbers.
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Samezies

why caring so much about benchmarks?
the actually performance is great, i have no complaint

I can't believe that people are still getting hung up on benchmark scores. It's such a relic from the early days of Android when usability was terrible and pulling down 1000 on Quadrant actually kind of meant something. It's totally irrelevant now. Whenever I read a phone review on a mainstream tech site (other than AnandTech and Ars Technica) that goes into benchmark scores, I just want to puke because they place way too much emphasis on scores over usability.
Bottom line - the N5 is fast. Really fast. Period. I don't care if your benchmark scores are too low for your liking out of the box.

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Oh no....not again.
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First thank you to the first guy who responded with two helpful links.
The rest of the comments where childish and immature.
Must be an age thing. Im 45 and have been compiling linux kernels since the early 90s.
First off Samsung are not cheating. They sold you a phone rated to X Mhz. And when they detect a bench mark test they let you have that speed.
The only reason they can let you have that speed is because its a well designed phone. face it.
Their thermal management is better. Why are Nexus owners so anal ? About facing facts.
Its a bit like buying a car. You see the engine configuration. 4 LTR V8. 500 BHP.
But oh wait you really cant put your nexus on a Dyno. Because it wont be able to give you 500 BHP without blowing up. Or getting damaged cause its thermal management is so bad. I don think custom Roms or kernels are the solution. The real solution is better thermal management.
The Samsung on the other hand you can put on the Dyno. And it will show you 500 BHP. Oh wait thats a bad word here.
Nexus 4.1 outperforms it.
But I understand that this is a soft spot for you guys. So lets just compare the Nexus 5 to the Nexus 4.1.
The Nexus 4.1 is faster in some bench mark tests ?. I see no way in hell that should happen.
We are coming in 5th and 6th behind some really dated and slower phones.
Forget bench marks. I am seeing that my apps are slowing down because of the heat issue. Hell my old s2 could hold a better clip and run better. Without over heating and ****ting it self like this.
Glad to see in the links provided that some people at least have acknowledged what Im saying.
1. The Thermal Throttling on the N5 out of the box is absurd.
2. The Thermal management on the N5 is seriously lacking. This is the real issue. This is why they have to be absurd on the thermal throttling. Cause heat dissipation or the basic design is lacking.
What do I need the speed for ?. Well that is my business. Its a bit like asking what do you need 500 BHP for ?. I paid for it. Im expecting it.
And if you must know
I need to sample sensors, GPS and OBD data from a race car while shooting a video. And our in car Temps are over 60c.
And yes when you Quad core Snap dragon 800 is performing slower than a 4.1 Nexus 600. I think its an issue. Weather you want to accept it or not.
Glad to see some people have already accepted that we got short changed by Google or Nexus. And we have to now resort to bumming stuff off the Moto X is just hilarious. So much for having state of the art Kit Kat LOL. Now we have to start bumming files off the moto x. That was the low point for me.

I'm assuming you haven't found a fix/mod with N5 thermal management?
Would love to have an app that let me switch to performance mode so I can play games and watch 1080p 10bit videos without being throttled.

Momotani-Hitoshi said:
I'm assuming you haven't found a fix/mod with N5 thermal management?
Would love to have an app that let me switch to performance mode so I can play games and watch 1080p 10bit videos without being throttled.
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if you have root, jist disable it. many custom kernels allow for this.

Is Exynos 7420 Is Overheating/Throttling???

I dont know if there's a topic about this or not but, guys after unpacked event i watched almost every galaxy s6 review but today i noticed something strange, in some s6 reviews s6/exynos 7420 did a great job but i noticed that there is some throttling issues-i guess-
as for evidence here is in this video s6 is getting score with almost 70k
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YlV0naJ3ZHo
And in this AP article its also a beast
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/...chmark-scores-leaves-htc-one-m9-in-the-dust/
But the strangery starts here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=32tQpttKXMc
The device is getting a 56 k score and where the scores drop is mostly in gpu and a little in cpu
Also on this gsmarena article the s6 is throttled again i guess
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_mwc_2015-review-1217p5.php
After all, test made on demo units with not final software but the question keeps in my mind that is the exynos 7420 has overheating and throttling issues, even on 14 nm, i don't know that it will be as bad as sd810 but i guess there will be some issues with Samsungs chip also
Here is also 2 more shots from two reviews
In this shot its in peak performance and its a beast
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But again it's throttled in cpu and reduced cpu about %40

I think it's something different. Those high scores are all achieved with the S6 edge(g925)'s, the lower scores are from the regular S6(g920)'s.
I think it's either that the regular S6 software wasn't ready yet or that the regular S6's weren't using the UFS 2 memory yet. As it seems that the UFS 2 memory is the thing that boosts the score (just like a SSD does with PcMark). Notice how close it performs to the M9 that's because they are very similar on the hardware side appart from the UFS 2 storage (and 14nm ofcource) that I think this preview batch of S6's wasn't equipped with.
I think both those reasons and especially the second one make sense and I believe the S6 will be scoring only >65000 scores in antutu after launch.
Also I don't think the cpu/gpu overheats or throttles as they are both running at much lower voltages than in the Note 4. So I believe there is nothing to worry about.

Emieltes said:
I think it's something different. Those high scores are all achieved with the S6 edge(g925)'s, the lower scores are from the regular S6(g920)'s.
I think it's either that the regular S6 software wasn't ready yet or that the regular S6's weren't using the UFS 2 memory yet. As it seems that the UFS 2 memory is the thing that boosts the score (just like a SSD does with PcMark). I think both those reasons and especially the second one make sense and I believe the S6 will be scoring only >65000 scores in antutu after launch.
Also I don't think the cpu/gpu overheats as they are both running at much lower voltages than in the Note 4. So I believe there is nothing to worry about.
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The s6 scored better than the edge tho in a few test

GreeleyXda said:
The s6 scored better than the edge tho in a few test
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I know but those benchmarks in which the S6 won dont take advantage from the internal memory while antutu does. So I think thats only a matter of unfinished software on both the S6 and S6 edge that is causing them to achieve different scores in the benchmarks that dont use the storage. The antutu score difference is another story though.

Emieltes said:
I know but those benchmarks in which the S6 won dont take advantage from the internal memory while antutu does. So I think thats only a matter of unfinished software on both the S6 and S6 edge that is causing them to achieve different scores in the benchmarks that dont use the storage. The antutu score difference is another story though.
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Nope man, nit this time, not from flash storage, cuz this time there's literally no difference between models, all have same storage, same cpu, same camera,only difference is edge screen, and if you look closely the scores of s6 is also about 68-70k and there is definitely a throttling/overheating problem, just don't know that its software side or hardware side and will it affect daily usage or not i mean we don't koniw for sure if the throttling will be as bad as sd810

SLMI said:
Nope man, nit this time, not from flash storage, cuz this time there's literally no difference between models, all have same storage, same cpu, same camera,only difference is edge screen, and if you look closely the scores of s6 is also about 68-70k and there is definitely a throttling/overheating problem, just don't know that its software side or hardware side and will it affect daily usage or not i mean we don't koniw for sure if the throttling will be as bad as sd810
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I haven't seen a regular S6 (G920F) scoring >60k in antutu yet, only S6 edge's (G925F). And I know there is no difference in cpu/gpu and not even display resolution. But since the UFS 2 tech is brand new and only announched somewhere last week I have my reasons to believe They haven't used it on the preview batch regular S6's yet.
I just can't and will not believe that the 7420 throttles since the 5433 didn't and the 7420 is made on a smaller node and runs lower voltages.

Emieltes said:
I haven't seen a regular S6 (G920F) scoring >60k in antutu yet, only S6 edge's (G925F). And I know there is no difference in cpu/gpu and not even display resolution. But since the UFS 2 tech is brand new and only announched somewhere last week I have my reasons to believe They haven't used it on the preview batch regular S6's yet.
I just can't and will not believe that the 7420 throttles since the 5433 didn't and the 7420 is made on a smaller node and runs lower voltages.
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The very first video on the OP shows both the Edge and the normal gs6. The normal gs6 gets around 68K.

suppousedly the note edge was better phone, now when im thinking of getting the edge version the regular s6 is scoring better.
i checked on youtube and people at the event testing the s6 got in the mid 50k range, but on here youre saying as high as 69k. can there really be that big a difference? surely the demo s6 phones at unpack arent that different from what us buyers are getting
hopefully by april ill be able to tell which one is better, tired of my laggy locked verizon note 4

The phone is charging and is 100% screen and people touch it every second for a whole day. Of course the phone gets hot.

joeshmoe08 said:
The very first video on the OP shows both the Edge and the normal gs6. The normal gs6 gets around 68K.
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I must have missed that

Also it seems like there's a throttling in this scores to, cuz exynos usually scores about 5000-5400, but its not as bad as snapdragon as in the article
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...vs-Apple-A8-iPhone-6-benchmark-scores_id66748

The funny thing is that even when it throttles, it is still faster at 56k than the SD810 which benchmarks 55k on the One M9...

tomshardware.fr ran geekbench 6 times. After 6th run, the drop in single core result was less than 1%, and about 4% for multi-core.
So, NO, i am not concerned about throttling.
Don't forget there is still time to optimize further.
Did anyone remember how 810 behaved in Flex 2? Much much worse.
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Before I forget, here's something about M9.
"Device temperate is too high. Please test again after cooling the device. Continue testing may cause system to restart or shut down"
Though remember that all these are done on event floor, where these devices are murdered by everyone. In any case, Exynos appears much safer this time around.

CLARiiON said:
tomshardware.fr ran geekbench 6 times. After 6th run, the drop in single core result was less than 1%, and about 4% for multi-core.
So, NO, i am not concerned about throttling.
Don't forget there is still time to optimize further.
Did anyone remember how 810 behaved in Flex 2? Much much worse.
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Before I forget, here's something about M9.
"Device temperate is too high. Please test again after cooling the device. Continue testing may cause system to restart or shut down"
Though remember that all these are done on event floor, where these devices are murdered by everyone. In any case, Exynos appears much safer this time around.
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how the heck were people getting 60-69k then?

GreeleyXda said:
how the heck were people getting 60-69k then?
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What are you talking about? Explain
And please don't quote whole post with photos.

CLARiiON said:
What are you talking about? Explain
And please don't quote whole post with photos.
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this.
how are they getting higher scores than all the other people who went to the event and tested the phones.
if its not throttling, then whats going on?
also why are the s6 and edge getting different scores when theyre suppouse to be the same specs (makes it hard to choose which phone to buy)

GreeleyXda said:
this.
how are they getting higher scores than all the other people who went to the event and tested the phones.
if its not throttling, then whats going on?
also why are the s6 and edge getting different scores when theyre suppouse to be the same specs (makes it hard to choose which phone to buy)
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What does M9 score got to do with S6?
Also, I don't like Antutu very much. Major reason is, the results are not repeatable. I will be more interested in Geekbench.

CLARiiON said:
What does M9 score got to do with S6?
Also, I don't like Antutu very much. Major reason is, the results are not repeatable. I will be more interested in Geekbench.
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you posted geekbench scores for the s6.
tc posted antutu scores for the s6
ive seen varies antutu test from the unpacked event on youtube whose scores are way diffferent
just asking why all the scores (both test) vary so much. i cnt figure out which of the s6 models is the better model.
i didnt say anything about the m9 tho

GreeleyXda said:
you posted geekbench scores for the s6.
tc posted antutu scores for the s6
ive seen varies antutu test from the unpacked event on youtube whose scores are way diffferent
just asking why all the scores (both test) vary so much. i cnt figure out which of the s6 models is the better model.
i didnt say anything about the m9 tho
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The Antutu I posted is for M9, not S6.
Antutu results are never same. Over top of that, consider the following factors:
- Pre-release firmware
- These devices gets slaughtered by everyone in events
- They generally connected to power outlet all times - basically the worst thing to do for running benchmarks.
There is bound to be difference in results.

Can we lock these idiotic troll threads..

Best Gaming Phone?

Suggest some best gaming phones according to you

this review will summarize it all for my recommendation:
Digital Foundry: HTC One M9 review
performance is impressive as there are no additional pixels to push.
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In the face of 2.5K screens used in other flagship phones this year, the choice to avoid bumping the M9's screen resolution is a surprise. In some respects this is a plus point; we're fast approaching a point of diminishing visual turns, and a resolution bump only increases the burden on a processor. The gains would have been slight, unless you plan on pressing your nose up to the glass for a closer inspection.
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Refreshingly, the power doesn't come at the expense of overall clarity, either. Google and Motorola have attempted a similar trick with the Nexus 6, but at maximum volume the M9 is a clear front-runner in this area. The sound tech has a positive impact on call quality too, as the uppermost Boomsound speaker above the screen is used during calls and provides excellent results.
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The M9 is blessed with a fearsome arsenal of tech, but it has attracted some negative attention for generating excessive amounts of heat. It's true that when engaged in a particularly taxing activity the phone's casing becomes noticeably warm, but no more so than many of its cutting-edge rivals, and we suspect the reason it's more immediately obvious here is because the aluminium casing is channelling the heat more effectively. During our review we felt we pushed HTC's device to the limit, and it never got uncomfortably hot - something which was claimed in many early hands-on previews by other sites.
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With this much power to hand, HTC has clearly had to put measures in place to shackle this beast. Running at full pelt, the M9's internals would usually drain its 2840mAh in no time at all. To combat this, the phone attempts to strike a balance by giving you just enough power when you need it, but eases off the accelerator once things become too demanding. It's a problem every mobile maker faces, as battery technology simply isn't keeping pace with CPU evolution, and all that can be done is to cram bigger power cells into phones. While the M9 certainly isn't the most ravenous handset we've encountered, its stamina is hardly awe-inspiring. You'll almost certainly have to charge it every day if you intend to make the most of the Snapdragon 810 chipset's potential.
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Games run very smoothly on the HTC One M9, a consequence of improving the processor while keeping the screen resolution the same as last year. The Boomsound speakers bring audio to life too, making this feel - at times - like a genuine console experience.
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HTC's handset has the added advantage of expandability too; you can slot in a microSD card of up to 128GB in capacity. This will come as excellent news to those who want to use their phone as a multimedia powerhouse, although it should be noted that inserting a card containing a lot of content could impact the overall performance of the phone.
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If you're willing to wait, I suggest waiting for the Note 5. (October/November).
If not, the M9 or the Note 4 are your best bets. The 5.0" M9 has a lower resolution and a slightly newer cpu/gpu, but the Note 4 has 5.7", 2K and an AMOLED screen. Especially the latter results in better colours and infinite contrast (black=black).
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HTC's handset has the added advantage of expandability too; you can slot in a microSD card of up to 128GB in capacity. This will come as excellent news to those who want to use their phone as a multimedia powerhouse, although it should be noted that inserting a card containing a lot of content could impact the overall performance of the phone.
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Dropping a .nomedia file in every folder you don't need to see in a media player excludes that folder, and the files and folders in it, from the indexing service. (You can still launch the files from the file explorer) This prevents the performance impact. I've got about 8.000 pdf files in one folder on my MicroSD, with the .nomedia file the folder is skipped and doesn't affect the device.

hamdir said:
this review will summarize it all for my recommendation:
Digital Foundry: HTC One M9 review
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?thanks for providing me with such deep info. I will definitely follow up with it.......

ShadowLea said:
If you're willing to wait, I suggest waiting for the Note 5. (October/November).
If not, the M9 or the Note 4 are your best bets. The 5.0" M9 has a lower resolution and a slightly newer cpu/gpu, but the Note 4 has 5.7", 2K and an AMOLED screen. Especially the latter results in better colours and infinite contrast (black=black).
Tiny addendum to:
Dropping a .nomedia file in every folder you don't need to see in a media player excludes that folder, and the files and folders in it, from the indexing service. (You can still launch the files from the file explorer) This prevents the performance impact. I've got about 8.000 pdf files in one folder on my MicroSD, with the .nomedia file the folder is skipped and doesn't affect the device.
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/Thanks for your valuable suggestion but i dont like Note series.I hope you won't mind......

@thebestappgames
Have you gotten your pic? There are so many smartphones for gaming this quarter of 2015. some Rankings
Care to look into the latest Nexus series? Nexus 5 and up.

ShadowLea said:
If not, the M9 or the Note 4 are your best bets. The 5.0" M9 has a lower resolution and a slightly newer cpu/gpu, but the Note 4 has 5.7", 2K and an AMOLED screen. Especially the latter results in better colours and infinite contrast
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2k is not really a good thing as it wastes precious GPU power, but yea the screen overall is more gorgeous on the N4/S6
however there is one very imporant factor and that is GPU throttling, and the way HTC does it is better:
if you check the Anandtech reviews, the S6 has the exact gaming problem on every Samsung flagship, ie: jumping frame-rates, even though HTC throttles the GPU on the latest M9 base they do it with grace, it steadily slows down and eventually holds at the M8 speed (after 50 minutes), if you let it cool (for 2-5 minutes thanks to metal) it jumps back up and you start the cycle again, on the s6 the GPU throttling is constantly jumping up and down, which affects real world gaming:
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The end performance actually ends up being quite similar to the One M8, but performance during the test is much higher than what we saw on the One M8.
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The one major issue here that is visible from the FPS vs time graph is that Samsung continues to struggle with graceful throttling as the GPU attempts to always target maximum performance, which causes a strong rise and fall in frame rate as the GPU goes through periods of high and low clock speeds determined by the thermal governor.
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With that said, there are still problems with Samsung Mobile’s drivers, as we see some pretty poor user experience from thermally throttled situations due to the oscillating behavior of GPU performance.
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This is why i prefer gaming on HTC since the M8 because they figured out how to do gaming finally after years of mess on Android, they know how to do it the iPhone way, Samsung is all about brute but no care about actual real world experience, a jumpy frame rate like that will kill any gaming experience
i dont kow if that affects the Note series though, I think the Note surely has better thermal release than the SGS6 due to its size and no glass
In general the best gaming Android gamer is either the M8 or M9, especially when we take audio into account

Taching said:
@thebestappgames
Have you gotten your pic? There are so many smartphones for gaming this quarter of 2015. some Rankings
Care to look into the latest Nexus series? Nexus 5 and up.
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/Nexus 5 is a good deal but I was thinking of MOTO Maxx. What do you say?

hamdir said:
2k is not really a good thing as it wastes precious GPU power, but yea the screen overall is more gorgeous on the N4/S6
however there is one very imporant factor and that is GPU throttling, and the way HTC does it is better:
if you check the Anandtech reviews, the S6 has the exact gaming problem on every Samsung flagship, ie: jumping frame-rates, even though HTC throttles the GPU on the latest M9 base they do it with grace, it steadily slows down and eventually holds at the M8 speed (after 50 minutes), if you let it cool (for 2-5 minutes thanks to metal) it jumps back up and you start the cycle again, on the s6 the GPU throttling is constantly jumping up and down, which affects real world gaming:
This is why i prefer gaming on HTC since the M8 because they figured out how to do gaming finally after years of mess on Android, they know how to do it the iPhone way, Samsung is all about brute but no care about actual real world experience, a jumpy frame rate like that will kill any gaming experience
i dont kow if that affects the Note series though, I think the Note surely has better thermal release than the SGS6 due to its size and no glass
In general the best gaming Android gamer is either the M8 or M9, especially when we take audio into account
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/You have given me so many options that its difficult for me to choose I am confused. You are having quite deap knowledge in this stuff can you tell me Is Motto Maxx a good option or not?

If the priority is gaming, I'd say go with a Nexus 6. Bigass screen, front-facing speakers. What more could you want?

Best eyecandy gaming experience -> S6 antutu 65k (but the battery is its dissea)
Best earcandy gaming experience -> m9 antutu 57k
Gaming over longer time -> note 4 antutu 41k
I dont know what to buy :/ i use s4 atm and playing heavy games like mc5 is crap compared to s6. But therefore battery is crap in s6.
Conclusion: be patient for note 5 to arrive this september. Ill probably still buy the s6 in two weeks because of its performance. And then later the note 5

Xperia Z1, Mi 4i, zenfone2,

[Review] iOcean X9, 5.0 inch FHD, 64-Bit MT6752 Octa Core 1.7 GHz, 4G LTE, 3GB/16GB

EDIT September 17 2015: ATTENTION!
Don't buy this phone unless you get it almost for free.
My initial review of the X9, which is no longer valid, comes first in the text below.
See the edits at the end for details.
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iocean X9
This review is based on my experience with one of the first regular production samples of the iOcean X9. It is not supposed to be a pre-production sample, but in some ways it behaves like that. The Android 4.4.4 it came with isn’t ready developed for the hardware and it probably never will be. I guess that the company is concentrating on developing the Lollipop rom for it instead. I suspect that iOcean were in a hurry to get this phone on the market and pushed it out too early on an unfinished Kitkat, instead of waiting for a well working Lollipop. It’s a pity because this phone has a lot of potential and deserves a better rom!
Firmware version: X9_20150608-192523
Despite the buggy Kitkat rom I have done many tests and made many observations in the phone. I could rewrite my notes to a regular short review in a wordier format, but in order to be able to come back here and add more information later on, I keep the text in a notelike form. Refer to the edits at the end of this post for updates. I attach some screen dumps of some of the tests I have done. More screen dumps and links to camera test photos etc. will probably come in a later edit.
NOTE:
There will be a part 2 of this review as soon as I have a final release LP rom in the phone. It’s not really fair to review it entirely on a buggy KK or LP Beta.
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Specs:
5.0” LCD, 1920 x 1080 pixels FHD screen
CPU: MTK6752 Octa Core, 1.7GHz; GPU: Mali-T760
Android 4.4.4 OS (will get Android 5.x soon)
3GB RAM + 16GB ROM
Dual SIM card, dual standby, micro SIM slot + nano SIM slot
Front camera 5 MP, back camera 13 MP with flashlight and auto focus
Support FDD+TDD LTE/4G/3G/GPS/Wifi/Bluetooth/Miracast/OTG
Networking:
​2G: GSM BAND 850/900/1800/1900
​3G: TD-SCDMA BAND 1900/2100, WCDMA BAND 900/1900/2100
​4G: FDD-LTE BAND 800/1800/2600, TDD-LTE BAND 1800/2300/2600
Design
This phone is thin. Very thin! 6.6 mm in my measurement (specs say 6.5 mm). It also feels very solid and a bit heavy despite the thinness (or maybe due to?). The weight is 145 g (specs say 140 g) but I think it feels heavier, in a good way. The design is very nice. It looks like a tall and very slim iPhone 4. The build quality and the quality feel is very high for the price, but a little bit lower then in a Huawei P8 for example. The texture of the metal frame and the opening for the speaker on the backside don’t give that premium feeling you could wish for. Also the buttons feels a little bit below premium. But for the price the quality feel is really excellent. The power button is in the middle on the right side, below the volume rocker. I don’t like this position as it’s too easy to accidentally switch on or off the phone just by holding it, but it seems standard in many new phones now.
Screen
The screen is excellent. It’s rather bright and vivid and it has good viewing angles. Generally I think that FHD is a bit overkill on a 5” screen. 1280 x 720 pixels is enough “retina” on a 5” screen and a good HD screen is better than a not so good FHD screen, but this is a really good FHD screen. I honestly didn’t expect that for the price.
Cameras
The main camera has a 13 MP Sony Exmor RS IMX214 sensor, which is a well-known and acclaimed sensor that is used in for example Xiaomi Mi4, OnePlus One and Vivo XShot. The camera is excellent and works very well even in low-light. It starts fast, focuses fast, has high sensitivity, little colour crosstalk and most of all the HDR function is really fast (important if you can’t hold the camera really still, or for moving objects). That’s all very rare in Chinese phones no matter what price range they are in. In fact this is the best camera I have ever seen in any Chinese phone (I haven't tried the ones in OnePlus One and Vivo XShot myself). The only little problem I had with the camera is to lock the focus on a certain object in the view by tapping on the screen and get the focus to stay there until I have time to make the shot. Probably that is software related.
The front camera is a Chinese 5 MP OmniVision OV5648. It’s also quite good and it’s even capable of capturing 720p HD video at 60 fps and 1080p HD video at 30 fps.
Performance
The phone is fast, but not as fast as I thought it would be, maybe due to the buggy rom. I get a score of ~37000 in AnTuTu 5.7.1. In Geekbench 3 I get ~4000 in multi-core score, which is almost twice as much as in the MT6732 devices. But as they say in the AnTuTu test, ”many apps only can use one core”, and the single-core score is 810, which is only ~10% better than in a MT6732. In Basemark OS II I get an overall score of 854, which is ~+50% faster than a FHD MT6592 device on Kitkat. In the graphics benchmark in Epic Citadel I get ~40 fps in average in Ultra High Quality mode.
However, the phone is running a buggy 32-bit Kitkat on a 64-bit SoC and I expect the performance to go up a bit once iOcean has put out a final release Lollipop upgrade for it.
Web browsing is fast and the Sunspider 1.0.2 test finishes in ~910 ms in Chrome and ~780 ms in the stock browser (yes the old stock browser is faster than Chrome). The MT6752 seems to be only ~10-15% faster in the Sunspider test than a MT6732, which corresponds to the +10% better single-core score in Geekbench 3. As a reference, my reference phone, an iPhone 6, only need ~330 ms to finish the sunspider test.
Network
4G LTE is really very fast in this phone and I didn’t know how fast download speeds my 4G network was capable of until I got this phone. The phone must have high sensitivity and a really fast 4G modem. Probably it’s true as they say in the specs that it can handle download speeds up to 150 Mb/s. I get over 100 Mb/s down and 27 Mb/s up. In comparison the up speed is a bit low, but that's probably limited by the network, since I only get a few percent higher up speed in my reference phone (and a lot lower down speed at the same time).
WiFi
The wifi has good sensitivity and it measures almost the same signal level in average in WiFi Analyzer as my reference in that, an 8” Xiaomi MiPad (tabs can have much larger antennas). Even on a very remote wifi the X9 and the tab measures the same signal level.
GPS
The GPS is also excellent. It locks in fast and I have never seen so many satellites in view and in use in GPS Test before. In my tests outside my house it sees 21 satellites and use 20, with a 3D fix accuracy of 1 m.
Battery
The battery run time is actually quite good, despite the relatively low capacity battery (2050 mAh), FHD screen and 8-core CPU. It manages to stand the Geekbench 3 battery test for 5 h and 10 min, with a battery score of 3100. The run time and score will definitely increase after a few charges, but already the runtime and score is ~50% better than an iPhone 6 (sorry for the iPhone references but it makes sense I think).
Sound
The sound quality in phone calls is really good and the volume is more than enough. The built in speaker on the backside is useless for music (as usual in phones), but good for phone calls. Also here the maximum volume is more then enough in an office environment. The sound quality in high quality earphones is very high, provided that you switch off the BesSurround function which is on by default. The sound volume is more than enough in good earphones (high sensitivity).
Root
The phone comes unrooted, but it becomes rooted with just a switch in Settings -> Security -> Superuser. In the Superuser setting you can control which apps you have given superuser privileges to. Basically it works in much the same way as SuperSU. Brilliant! Reason enough to buy the phone just for that as soon as it comes with a LP rom. Also there is no bloatware at all installed.
Launcher
The launcher is the CyanogenMod Trebuchet. I’m not sure how and why it ended up in this phone because the phone is not on CM and unlike in CM the launcher can’t be configured in any way in this phone, except the scroll effect between desktop screens, but not between drawer screens. The launcher works well but it’s a waste of a nice FHD screen to only have 5 rows and 4 columns of icons on the desktop and in the drawer and not be able to change that. Hopefully there will be a better launcher in the Lollipop rom.
Dual SIM?
The phone is a dual SIM and dual standby phone, but that's only partly true since one sim slot is a combined SIM/SD slot. Users have to choose between dual SIM standby or single SIM and extended memory, and with only 16 GB storage I would classify this phone as single SIM.
To be continued…
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I have received an email from an iocean representatve saying:
This problems should be related to the ROM. We have a new ROM update (for 4.4 software) that should be able to solve the problems of your iocean X9. We have already released the iocean X9 Beta version of android 5.1, and we should have a new update for it soon.
Please find below the iocean X9 update link. You can download it and upgrade the ROM, this needs to be done through PC.
https://mega.co.nz/#!fp9HwKDA!T2mqzWsAOaNSWGLomRqMEmNXnE_zuTY9tSweTZRsdSA
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I have flashed the rom in the link above and it brought the firmware in my phone from version X9_20150608-192523 to X9_20150624-143035.
However, it didn't change things much. This rom feels a little bit more stable, but the phone is still not stable. Often when I stress it with something CPU or GPU intense, the phone reboots. In the previous rom I had to force reboot it by holding the on button pressed for 10 seconds in the same situation, which might be an improvement, I'm not sure.
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I tried the Lollipop beta 20150618 with no better result than with the two previous KK roms and I start to believe that the phone has some hardware issue. I used the EngineerMode to switch on the MTKLogger and then stressed the phone to freeze two times. Then I tried to analyze the log files and figure out what's causing the stability problems. However, I'm no expert and can't really figure out what's causing the crash. The engineers at iOcean asked for the log files and they have them now. I'm currently waiting for their result.
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Yesterday, September 16, 4 months after I purchased this phone I got it back from "repair" from the dealer. It took 2 weeks for it to reach the dealer, and then they held it for a while before they sent it "to the factory", whatever that means. Small brands like iOcean have no factories by themselves, it's just a brand name and an office with a few employees. After the so called repair at the so called factory, the dealer got the phone back and according to themselves, their QC people took care of it and tested it before they sent it to me. All together it took 2 months for this warranty service.
However, the phone is exactly as faulty as when I sent it back for repair. It froze completely at first AnTuTu test and had to be force restarted by pressing powerbutton for 10s. The phone has an obvious hardware error but they didn't open the phone to change any components. All they did was to flash a fresh firmware to it and change the CPU governor and I/O handler. Probably in some belief that it would cool down the phone a bit and get rid of some of the overheating problems, as if that would help much when the max clock freq. still is 1.69 GHz. Changing governor, thermal policy and max clock freq. could have saved this phone from breaking when it was new maybe, but now it obviously have some hardware problem and the dealer did nothing about that when they had it.
To make things extremely much more complicated the iOcean company went bankrupt in July. The rumour has it that they will restructure the company and make a come back, but I'm not so sure. And even if they will be back it's very uncertain if they will support previously relased models at all. The X9 never got the LP firmware it was supposed to have before the company went bankrupt. Not a working KK either.
As an edit on top of this long post I add a warning to buy this phone because: 1. The KK fw it comes with is a disaster. 2. The LP Beta is a disaster. 3. iOcean went bankrupt. 4. There will probably never be an official well working KK or LP fw for this phone. 5. Even with good fw it would overheat a lot unless the clock freq. is lowered a lot.
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I have now sent this phone back for good to where I got it from. If some other misfortunate X9 owner wants to take over this thread please PM me. Otherwise I will close this thread soon. I'm through with with this device.

iocean x9
thanks for review.
it answered to my question, i was thinking to buy this phone from a few weeks ago...
i wont buy it if iOcean wont release a good rom for this phone.
one question, at this moment: this phone have a notification led?

gigiunu said:
thanks for review.
it answered to my question, i was thinking to buy this phone from a few weeks ago...
i wont buy it if iOcean wont release a good rom for this phone.
one question, at this moment: this phone have a notification led?
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Yes it has a small notification led on the front. It's a beautiful phone with a lot of potential and I really hope they fix it soon, or there is something terribly wrong with just my device, but I don't think so. Let's wait and see how iOcean reacts to my complaints.

MacArthur67 said:
Yes it has a small notification led on the front. It's a beautiful phone with a lot of potential and I really hope they fix it soon, or there is something terribly wrong with just my device, but I don't think so. Let's wait and see how iOcean reacts to my complaints.
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Somebody posted your review on official page of iOcean, i hope they read it and solve the problems. Right now, i'm using as regular phone Jiayu G5s, it's very good phone, but without 4G function and bad GPS... this iOcean X9 looks same but is bigger and thinner and with a good specs...
Another question, 4G can be switched from sim1 to sim2 , or sim2 slot support only 2G?

gigiunu said:
Right now, i'm using as regular phone Jiayu G5s, it's very good phone, but without 4G function and bad GPS... this iOcean X9 looks same but is bigger and thinner and with a good specs...
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Yes I know the G5S, it's a nice iP5S design rip-off, especially with the silver and black backside, but I only have good experience with Jiayu devices. Bug free and stable but maybe a bit overpriced. I didn't know the G5S had GPS problems, but it's a 3G phone so I see why you're looking for a replacement.
Another question, 4G can be switched from sim1 to sim2 , or sim2 slot support only 2G?
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Yes you can switch the 3G/4G to any of the slots in the settings, so there's no need for physical swap. Only one can be 3G/4G at a time though.

iOcean X9
What a ugly launcher... it is the stock one?
Also, we're waiting your feedback about battery life, 2100mAh for an 5 inch fhd display seems to be not enough for a day, even in a normal use, with moderate talking and mobile data/wi-fi on all the time...

gigiunu said:
What a ugly launcher... it is the stock one?
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Yes and no. The phone has the Trebuchet launcher, which has a theme chooser. It comes with 6 stock themes and in the pic I posted I was on the ugly "Sky" theme. Next time I might be in the girly "Pink" theme!
Also, we're waiting your feedback about battery life, 2100mAh for an 5 inch fhd display seems to be not enough for a day, even in a normal use, with moderate talking and mobile data/wi-fi on all the time...
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I added battery information in the original review above. Like the MT6732 SoC the MT6752 seems to be very energy efficient. In fact it seems to be even more energy efficient than the MT6732. I get 5 h and 10 m out of it in the Geekbench 3 battery test (screen on) and that value will increase for sure. In my MT6732 device with a 5" 1280x720 display and a claimed 2250 mAh battery (it's not) I get less than 4.5 h in the GB3 battery test and that phone easily lasts a day. But of course it depends on how you use your phone. Remember that an iPhone 6 only lasts ~3.5 h on a full charge in the GB3 battery test.

can you tell me where did you buy it and how much you paid for?
I was looking for it, but nowhere is in stock...

gigiunu said:
can you tell me where did you buy it and how much you paid for?
I was looking for it, but nowhere is in stock...
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You can buy here: http://www.pompmall.com/iocean-x9.html

gigiunu said:
can you tell me where did you buy it and how much you paid for?
I was looking for it, but nowhere is in stock...
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I don't want to say how I got it at this stage, but it's an official production phone and not a pre-series phone. I know that Geekbuying had it for pre-orders before @ $249, but they seem to have pulled it off for orders now. Maybe it's not out for pre-orders any more because of the problems I'm also experiencing. I mean I'm not the only one who got one of the first regular production X9's.
At present I'm having a direct contact with iocean about the problems I'm experiencing with my phone. I'm thinking that if the problem is software related, it has something to do with the thermal management. It freezes and reboots when it gets stressed and consequently a bit hot. But of course that sounds more like a hardware problem.
It's up to you if you want to take the risk and buy it from some less known source, but make sure you get some warranty then. You have read my review so you know that it could be a fantastic phone without the freezes and reboots that I'm experiencing.

they released a BETA version of Android 5.1 for iocean X9, did you try it?
https://mega.co.nz/#!S5sTnC5B!s0v94zWHIkanhvR8ThEb59tfxO_tSngc-wh0tnBTMnU

gigiunu said:
they released a BETA version of Android 5.1 for iocean X9, did you try it?
https://mega.co.nz/#!S5sTnC5B!s0v94zWHIkanhvR8ThEb59tfxO_tSngc-wh0tnBTMnU
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I have it but I didn't want to try it because the KK rom I have was supposed to be stable, and still it's far from stable in my phone. If I install a buggy beta I have no clue to what comes from software bugs and what comes from hardware malfunction. I might give it a spin later.

i supose it can't be worst then stock kk rom ...

Hi
Thank for the review. I've mine in hand since 2 days. I have the same rom (Firmware version: X9_20150608-192523)
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Sometimes it's getting HOT, very HOT
It tried Google map and... i was able to see the battery lowering at sight. 1% every 20sec. Very funny or not
I don't think kitkat is good with octo core managing
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All running well and fast
thin, nice
No freeze, no shutdown, all good
Phone very hot but seems battery is ok for 1 day.
I think like you about a bad kitkat rom. Hope the 5.1 will be great. At the beginning the phone was a 5.1 phone but seems they run out of time and so we have kitkat. I didn't tried the 5.1 beta rom. I'm waiting the good one.

vodnok said:
Hi
Thank for the review. I've mine in hand since 2 days. I have the same rom (Firmware version: X9_20150608-192523)
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Sometimes it's getting HOT, very HOT
It tried Google map and... i was able to see the battery lowering at sight. 1% every 20sec. Very funny or not.
I don't think kitkat is good with octo core managing.
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I also noticed that it gets very hot during CPU/GPU intese processes. My initial thought about the freezes I have was that there was something wrong with the thermal management in the initial KK rom. However, it didn't seem to get much better in the updated KK so now I'm not so sure.
KK works very fine in "old" MT6592 octa core devices, so I don't think that the 8 cores in MT6752 is the main problem.
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All running well and fast
thin, nice
No freeze, no shutdown, all good
Phone very hot but seems battery is ok for 1 day.
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Nice to hear that it runs smooth without app/system freezes. I suppose you flashed the updated KK in the link above then? If you did that, did you notice any difference in the heat problem? The battery is definitely good enough for a days use and more. Also, if I buy the thinnest 5" FHD phone on the market at present, I don't expect it to last much more than a day. I'm happy with the battery time.
I think like you about a bad kitkat rom. Hope the 5.1 will be great. At the beginning the phone was a 5.1 phone but seems they run out of time and so we have kitkat. I didn't tried the 5.1 beta rom. I'm waiting the good one.
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Yes, it was promoted as a LP phone when I decided to get an early one. Then they changed the specs to KK. I tried the LP Beta but it was no improvement and I don't have time to be an unpaid beta tester right now, so I went back to the 20150624 version again. Also I wanted to be on KK for the EngineerMode, MTKLogger and MTK Catcher to work like I'm used to.

Nice review
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for owners of iOcean X9: can you make some speedtest of internet connection in HSDPA (H) and HSPA+ (H+)?
Thanks.

gigiunu said:
for owners of iOcean X9: can you make some speedtest of internet connection in HSDPA (H) and HSPA+ (H+)?
Thanks.
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Yes I already did that before but I'm not sure if it makes any sense because the phone easily reaches the max speed in my network. I get 8/3 Mb/s in HSPA and 27/7 Mb/s in HSPA+ (H+). I think the 3G H+ is DC-HSPA but I can't check that easily. I should be able to get up to 32 Mb/s with DC-HSDPA in my network with good signal.

thanks for reply...
i just replaced my Jiayu G5S with an Xiaomi MI 4i black and there's no differences between them, max speed on H+ is under 7 Mbps... If i put my sim in other regulary phone i can get easily ~27 Mbps.
So, i keep an eye to this iOCEAN x9 , i like it and probabily i'll buy it when it get a good firmware.

gigiunu said:
thanks for reply...
i just replaced my Jiayu G5S with an Xiaomi MI 4i black and there's no differences between them, max speed on H+ is under 7 Mbps... If i put my sim in other regulary phone i can get easily ~27 Mbps.
So, i keep an eye to this iOCEAN x9 , i like it and probabily i'll buy it when it get a good firmware.
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I don't think it will be long before the LP firmware will be out in official release form. A few weeks at the most. The bug-/to-do list isn't very long at the moment.
Off topic:
I had a Mi4i to test for a while and it had the WCDMA 850 and 2100 bands. The 850 band is only used in Asia as far as I know. In Europe it's 900/2100 everywhere I think. Can it be that your network has a higher speed on 900 MHz than on 2100 MHz? Then your Mi4i is partly incompatible with your network. There are probably different versions of the Mi4i for different markets. Mine was bought in Thailand and they have 850/2100. The JiaYu G5S don't have HSPA+.

Bounty for a fully functional Exynos GCAM port

I am willing to donate 100USD and crowdfund another 900USD (I'm willing to inject another 400USD to help the crowdfund hit it's target) for any dev that can make a fully functional port of the gcam (with nightsight, portrait mode and a fully functional selfiecam) for the exynos version of the S10+. Spread the word, this is legit

F it man, I'm in, can't do much but will donate 10 to the crowdfund. GCAM with the proper Night Sight on this sensor would be incredible.

pepeuzika said:
I am willing to donate 100USD and crowdfund another 900USD (I'm willing to inject another 400USD to help the crowdfund hit it's target) for any dev that can make a fully functional port of the gcam (with nightsight, portrait mode and a fully functional selfiecam) for the exynos version of the S10+. Spread the word, this is legit
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Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.

Misterxtc said:
Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.
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I hate samsung's agressive post processing (specially in selfies that looks like **** in the dark). Besides, money is not an issue

Misterxtc said:
Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.
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Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.

Corv0 said:
Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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Same thoughts here.

Corv0 said:
Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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Have a look at the Anandtech article that came out yesterday, the exynos and snapdragon variants are vastly different even though they're supposed to be the same S10, the software love was only given to the 855 model, and lazily ported over to the exynos variant. This is kinda why we need a better image processing solution from the community, because Samsung cba about it... Quote from the article below;
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/14
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Corv0 said:
Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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You're totally right, the camera , or the hardware are way better on the s10 , but it's not only about the hardware, image processing is important too, and ssdly the imagie processing which is the software on the samsung is not that good, and the gcam is way way better , so with the samsung hardware and the pixel software (gcam) u can have the best picture on the market.

crazyguns said:
Have a look at the Anandtech article that came out yesterday, the exynos and snapdragon variants are vastly different even though they're supposed to be the same S10, the software love was only given to the 855 model, and lazily ported over to the exynos variant. This is kinda why we need a better image processing solution from the community, because Samsung cba about it... Quote from the article below;
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/14
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Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.

Corv0 said:
Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.
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Haha I love this theory. So you're claiming they're biased towards qualcomm even though they definitely praise a lot of the other aspects of the Exynos in the review, how it has a solidly better battery life when compared to 855, and how the A55 cores on the Exynos are way better. Where do you get the "disabled HDR" idea, they put both on Auto and took the photos, they even discuss the actual HDR processing.
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
The Mate 20 Pro is a contender for detail in this shot, but loses out in colours and dynamic range to the S10.
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Hmmm based on that last sentence now you'll claim they're Huawei Kirin shills. Lol way to "keep it classy" with your conspiracy theories mate.
The fact is 99% of the reviews do not mention the fact that the Exynos camera app doesn't take full advantage of the processing like the Qualcomm model, and there is a clear difference that must be addressed by Samsung. It's a damn shame because the 9820 is a really capable beast and deserves the same amount of finesse and perfection that is present in the 855 software.

crazyguns said:
Haha I love this theory. So you're claiming they're biased towards qualcomm even though they definitely praise a lot of the other aspects of the Exynos in the review, how it has a solidly better battery life when compared to 855, and how the A55 cores on the Exynos are way better. Where do you get the "disabled HDR" idea, they put both on Auto and took the photos, they even discuss the actual HDR processing.
Hmmm based on that last sentence now you'll claim they're Huawei Kirin shills. Lol way to "keep it classy" with your conspiracy theories mate.
The fact is 99% of the reviews do not mention the fact that the Exynos camera app doesn't take full advantage of the processing like the Qualcomm model, and there is a clear difference that must be addressed by Samsung. It's a damn shame because the 9820 is a really capable beast and deserves the same amount of finesse and perfection that is present in the 855 software.
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Praising?
How's "Although battery life and performance this year aren’t an issue for the Exynos variant" praising it?
Another point, the end of their battery page states
"One issue I can confirm with the Exynos unit is that after a voice call in any app, the phone isn’t correctly entering its lower power state, and will suffer from increased idle battery drain until a reboot. This is something that hopefully Samsung addresses in a firmware update as it doesn’t look to be a hardware related issue. When not affected by this bug, both phones idle very similar to each other and slightly better than the S9+ I use as my daily device."
Seriously? This guide is a day old and they even bothered to include a bug that has been fixed in ASBA, TWO firmwares ago, even with half the comments mentioning it has been fixed and it doesn't belong in their review, it's still there.
This trashy excuse of a tech blog belongs in my fakenews domain blocking host, just so I stop seeing their poorly made articles whenever Google decides to shove them in my face.

Corv0 said:
Praising?
How's "Although battery life and performance this year aren’t an issue for the Exynos variant" praising it?
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Because 9810 was riddled with very bad battery performance, this year it is a lot better. He's talking about it comparing to the last iteration, it is surprising that the Exynos went from underperforming last year, to beating snapdragon this year;
In our web browsing test, both Galaxy S10+s are showcasing outstanding longevity at 13.08h for the Exynos and 12.75h for the Snapdragon variant. Least to say, I was extremely surprised to see this result even though we measured the Exynos 9820 CPU to be quite less efficient than the Snapdragon 855 in peak performance efficiency. I would have not expected the Exynos to match the Snapdragon, much less slightly beat it.
Another point, the end of their battery page states
"One issue I can confirm with the Exynos unit is that after a voice call in any app, the phone isn’t correctly entering its lower power state, and will suffer from increased idle battery drain until a reboot. This is something that hopefully Samsung addresses in a firmware update as it doesn’t look to be a hardware related issue. When not affected by this bug, both phones idle very similar to each other and slightly better than the S9+ I use as my daily device."
Seriously? This guide is a day old and they even bothered to include a bug that has been fixed in ASBA, TWO firmwares ago, even with half the comments mentioning it has been fixed and it doesn't belong in their review, it's still there.
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The bug was not fixed two firmwares ago, I've no idea what you're talking about. I had it until yesterday when the new s10e patch fixed it, every time I had a teams or whatsapp call the deepsleep broke and I had to reboot the device.
This trashy excuse of a tech blog belongs in my fakenews domain blocking host, just so I stop seeing their poorly made articles whenever Google decides to shove them in my face.
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What other genuine review articles have you read that go as in depth as anandtech and talk about the scheduler, voltage and efficiency curves, the A75 A55 and Mongoose triple chip design, die shot with detailed cache information, testing and EVEN comparing it to a desktop 9900k, I would love to see your "non fakenews" blogs that go as in depth. Seems like you're sour about them being critical of something in an objective, factual way.
Don't get me wrong I love my Exynos S10e, the screen is gorgeous, I regularly get 7+ hours SOT, but there's still room for improvement in the thermals, it can do with a lot more tweaking. My hope is that by the time Note 10 comes out, they'll have worked out a lot of the software issues and also done a better Bright Night implementation, making this phone as good as it can be.

Let's stay on track here, everyone. No flaming will be permitted. Offending posts will be deleted.

Corv0 said:
Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.
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suspected this.
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Joseph Gomes said:
It just means you don't know how to use Gcam. All those problems can be solved by changing the lib. If you can't change minor settings on android, you should stick to iphones.
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That kind of goes beyond "minor settings on Android", nobody guarantees that Gcam will always be better or even work, I checked some Gcam vs Stock samples and I wasn't impressed, low light was a bit better but everything else was worse and I think they went for the best lib options otherwise it would look even worse.
Samsung got struck for assuming everyone would be fine with AI deciding when to enable the night camera and they confirmed working on changing that, once that is changed(if implemented well) I'm confident that Gcam will have no benefit to bring on the table.

You were already warned by a mod previously to keep it civil, and it just went downhill from there.
I suggest all of you take a deep breath and realize this looks like a group of 12 year olds fighting about who's smarter.
Some of the past few posts had nothing to do with Gcam and more to do with belittling each other. If you want to have an argument about stock vs Gcam, that's perfectly acceptable, as long as it's calm. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there's no reason for name calling just because of someone's personal preference being different than yours.
Thread has been cleaned, let's keep it that way.

I have snapdragon and used gcam, I've since deleted it because the Samsung camera pictures simply look better, even low light. Just imho

Are you kidding to make a bounty for an app for a crap smartphone sensor? (All smartphone's camera sensors are crap)... for my curiosity, I measured myself the dynamic range of my S10+ Exynos with a calibrated grey card and I found is near 7 1/2 stops @ISO 50 taking in consideration the brightness only (the color DR is much worse), and my Canon M50 has double of that dynamic range and you can find it on Amazon for less than US$700. Who can even imagine to put money in a bounty for this?
I can't understand why people are discussing if the Samsung sensor that comes with the Exynos is better than the Sony that comes with the Snapdragon... both are crap, looking the people that are testing smartphone cameras I see none of them that are able to take a descent shot, why they don't start first to learn how to shot a good picture?
Do you think that I cared about if the sensor was good or not when I shot this pictures with my S7 some years ago, at that time I was worried about how much lost of quality I will get shooting behind a window instead of thinking about the sensor...
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Why don't you donate that US$100 to an NGO that will use that money in a useful way instead of wasting your money?

Lots of words and blah blah in this thread, but I've got images to prove that the Samsung Bright Night in its current form sucks, and either Samsung needs to step it up, or we need to move ahead with the bounty. Found this on the snapdragon gcam thread https://m.imgur.com/gallery/7VsVaTO
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The night mode on Exynos sucks, but overall sharpness is pretty bad for regular indoor pics. And the colors are washed out as compared to Snapdragon version. Samsung needs to fix all of these issues on Exynos.