Hello everyone,
This thread will be used as a hub where I share some discoveries/observations which I stumbled upon mostly during working on my kernel projects.
I´ll clone the same thread over to the Pixel 7 forum as well. So without much further ado let´s just dive right into it.
A year ago everyone was excited for the Google SoC called Tensor 1 called GS101. One year later there is Tensor 2 called GS201.
I suggest to read about the differences, updated modem, ISP, TPU and GPU in various tech related articles.
Here´s a table so everyone gets up to speed on cores used, max freqs and other details:
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But how does that translate on the devices?
There were quite a few rumors before the actual release of the Tensor 2 SoC being manufactured on 4nm Samsung node instead of 5nm. However that was just wild speculation and unfortunately turned out to be not accurate. Tensor G2 is still manufactured in the 5nm process as confirmed by Google. This was quite a negative surprise to myself, as I don´t have good experiences from SD888 that´s also being manufactured in Samsung 5nm node and is quite a hot chip. While the switch to Samsung 4nm node, wasn´t all that great either (check sd8 gen1 on samsung 4nm vs sd8+ gen1 on tsmc 4nm) it would still have been an improvement.
While I was very excited for the Tensor G1 when the Pixel 6 devices launched, that excitement ebbed down the work I worked on the Pixel 6 series. The more I learned about the source, the more I stumbled upon Exynos driver over exynos driver, some are just left exactly like on Exynos device, some were "re-branded" by Google. Some Google did customize, but most of the drivers are just very much Exynos.
So all in all the following excerpt from Andrei Frumusanu´s article here sums it up pretty fitting:
While Google doesn’t appear to want to talk about it, the chip very clearly has provenance as a collaboration between Google and Samsung, and has a large amount of its roots in Samsung Exynos SoC architectures.
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The same is true for the Tensor 2, despite minor upgrades there. As I learned over the time, Tensor shares a lot of Exynos characteristics, one of those is performance vs thermals as hinted by in the linked Anandtech article. So let´s just jump into that first topic I want to cover.
I will cover more topics, those will also be probably interconnected to each other, but we have to start somewhere.
Thermals, Thermal Ceiling, Exynos Roots and Maximal Performance
To start things of: Thermals is a term that actually sums up a few mechanisms. Lets split this into two main areas.
The thermal ceiling (let´s call it that) that´s being implemented in the kernel, as the maximal temperature the SoC is allowed to be operated at.
The thermal-hal uses combined sensors, also virtual sensor, and restricts different subsystems, based on the temperature of those sensor. Those can be called skin temps, shell-temps, battery temperature, modem temperature etc.
First let´s explore the thermal ceiling on the two SoCs:
GS101 on Pixel 6 devices is allowed to be operated at 90°C. GS 201 on Pixel 7 devices raised the thermal ceiling by 10°C to 100°C.
If changes to the internal design allowed them to raise this, without further increasing heatup of the device, or if they just applied changes to the thermal-hal to better keep this in check I don´t know at this moment.
Let´s get back to the Exynos characterstics. I talked to a few other developers I met along that way with Exynos "experience". Exynos SoCs reach the thermal ceiling extremely quickly, as I learned. This means, the SoC can´t keep its max CPU freqs for more than a few seconds without touching the thermal ceiling and getting restricted. This is in a way also the case for other SoCs, but Exynos is very extreme in this regard. But it´s just the characteristics of the SoC, like previously mentioned.
That means in turn: The thermal ceiling is setting the maximal performance allowed, to a great extent. If the thermal ceiling is raised, the maximum performance can be held longer.
Here´s a demonstration of this:
Pixel 6 Pro in its default configuration running at 90°C temp ceiling:
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Pixel 6 Pro with temperature ceiling raised to 100°C, instead of 90°C running at Pixel 7 Pro clocks
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That´s the Pixel 7 Pro, with the default configuration of 100°C
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Now what´s interesting, the big cores get the hottest at the quickest rate. Once the ceiling is reached, the max performance drops, as maximal performance will be restricted by restrict max cpu freqs.
That´s the case after a few seconds on both SoCs, in typcial Exynos fashion.
Let´s make the next connection:
Although I´m not necessarily a friend of benchmark apps, how does that change the results of a CPU oriented benchmark like Geekbench you might ask yourself. There are other benchmarks, but I want to keep this simple for now.
The answer is: The Pixel 6 Pro with GS101 gets pretty close to the results of the Pixel 7 Pro with GS201.
So for comparisons sake:
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On the left Pixel 6 Pro in its default configuration running at 90°C temp ceiling.
On the right Pixel 6 Pro with temperature ceiling raised to 100°C, instead of 90°C running at Pixel 7 Pro clocks.
The kernel used was the same, no changes to anything that could impact performance.
The left screenshot above was taken from the Pixel 7 Pro review from XDA, while the right one was taken on my Pixel 7 Pro running my kernel.
Please don´t start benchmark contests now, It´s just for comparisons sake.
It makes sense for single-core to be less impacted, as single core benchmarks don´t put as much thermal pressure on the SoC -> not touching the thermal ceiling as much and therefore no cutback are applied.
Geekbench applies a series of short benchmarks to the device. Usually not longer than 3-8 seconds, which is ideal for a SoC like the Tensor. Short bursts with max performance, so it can run "nearly" without touching the thermal ceiling.
If a benchmark is structured differently, like the CPU stress test you will see QCOM SoCs holding their max-freqs for minutes, instead of seconds.
Well that´s the first part. More to come. I hope everyone enjoyed this little writeup so far.
I wish everyone a nice evening.
Thermal Ceiling/Maximal Performance - A comparison between QCOM Snapdragon and Tensor
Now you might ask yourself, how does QCOM´s Snapdragon behave in the little test we conducted above.
You can find the answer below.
For this a Zenfone 9 with the Snapdragon 8 + Gen 1 is used.
Pixel 6 Pro in its default configuration running at 90°C temp ceiling:
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Pixel 7 Pro, with the default configuration of 100°C:
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Asus Zenfone 9, with the default configuration of 110°C temp ceiling:
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As you can see the Zenfone 9 with SD 8+ Gen 1 can hold the max-freqs for minutes. It doesn´t touch the thermal ceiling when running under max load for a minute, while Tensor immediately scratches the ceiling.
I´m not a SoC expert and I think only engineers with insider knowledge know the exact reason why Exynos based SoCs behave that way. They just seem to work totally different in that regard.
Another point is, since the SoCs are different we can´t compare the temperatures one to one. There´s no way for me to know the exact placement of the temperature sensors, all I can say for sure is the SD 8+ Gen 1, does not touch the thermal ceiling in this test and there seems to be a lot of headway after one minute of maxed out CPU.
In the end the result will be the same. After a while the device will heat up and the thermal-hal will throttle the ZF9 back as well, as with only passive cooling that´s inevitable.
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Glad to have same phone as you good work
Freak07 said:
I hope everyone enjoyed this little writeup so far.
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I am! This is very cool; thanks for doing this! Most of us (myself included) don't have the knowledge to do (or interest in doing) this ourselves, but enjoy learning more. Thank you for all that you do, both this writeup and your kernel (which I've used since the Pixel 3 days).
@Freak07 Interested in your thoughts on this CPU 'Power Efficiency' comparison. Seems a very well thought out review, although only compares the G1 Tensor.
updated the second post, with a comparison between QCOM´s Snapdragon and Google´s Tensor
Google never intended Tensor to be a flagship SoC, it was just meant to have bursts of flagship-level performance. I haven't had any complaints about the day to day or demand performance honestly, it's been WAY smoother than my OnePlus 9 with the SD888 that almost sent me back to Apple, but I will confirm that I ran the full 15 minute test when I first got the phone and it throttled to 78% near the end.
P7 also appears to stop charging, or charge at 500ma once the battery reaches 40c, which is a concern since high drain situations are usually the time where you want to have the device plugged in.
There's also not much headroom since normal temp alone when charging with no load is around 37c.
One thing I haven't noticed is throttling, this phone gets hot and is inefficient, but I haven't experienced any throttling on any day to day use.
My S22U is ice cold when playing media and quickly becomes a dumpster fire once you load up a game. The p7p runs hot when playing media and barely loses performance during gaming. It's weird.
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The p7p runs hot when playing media and barely loses performance during gaming. It's weird.
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What media were you running out of curiosity?
EtherealRemnant said:
Google never intended Tensor to be a flagship SoC, it was just meant to have bursts of flagship-level performance. I haven't had any complaints about the day to day or demand performance honestly, it's been WAY smoother than my OnePlus 9 with the SD888 that almost sent me back to Apple, but I will confirm that I ran the full 15 minute test when I first got the phone and it throttled to 78% near the end.
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What really defines a flagship SoC?
For me tensor pretty much is a flagship SoC. Not necessarily ẃhen chasing the highest benchmark scores.
I´ll link my post from the p6 pro thread here.
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P7 also appears to stop charging, or charge at 500ma once the battery reaches 40c, which is a concern since high drain situations are usually the time where you want to have the device plugged in.
There's also not much headroom since normal temp alone when charging with no load is around 37c.
One thing I haven't noticed is throttling, this phone gets hot and is inefficient, but I haven't experienced any throttling on any day to day use.
My S22U is ice cold when playing media and quickly becomes a dumpster fire once you load up a game. The p7p runs hot when playing media and barely loses performance during gaming. It's weird.
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Charging while the device is hot is not good for battery health. Don´t charge while your device is under load as well. Both are detrimental to battery health.
Charging is done, so it usally reaches close to, but doesn´t cross 40°C if you don´t touch the phone.
I don´t have that at all. Watching streams, youtube videos the device doesn´t get hot. Maybe a bit warm, especially if I load a few apps in between, but not hot.
I don´t game much though, so I can´t comment much on this matter.
I played a bit of this game and the device didn´t get hot as well. Though I guess you can´t really call that a demanding game. Maybe it´s also optimized quite well for android.
i dont understand obsession on benchmarks for phones.
these are not PCs lol
as long as the phone does not lag or slow down when doing everything you need then its fine
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What really defines a flagship SoC?
For me tensor pretty much is a flagship SoC. Not necessarily ẃhen chasing the highest benchmark scores.
I´ll link my post from the p6 pro thread here.
Charging while the device is hot is not good for battery health. Don´t charge while your device is under load as well. Both are detrimental to battery health.
Charging is done, so it usally reaches close to, but doesn´t cross 40°C if you don´t touch the phone.
I don´t have that at all. Watching streams, youtube videos the device doesn´t get hot. Maybe a bit warm, especially if I load a few apps in between, but not hot.
I don´t game much though, so I can´t comment much on this matter.
I played a bit of this game and the device didn´t get hot as well. Though I guess you can´t really call that a demanding game. Maybe it´s also optimized quite well for android.
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The Tensor is definitely meant to be upper midrange with bursty performance rather than a flagship with steady high performance. I mean Google could have gone to Samsung 4nm and chose not to while being totally aware of the peak performance issues with the first gen Tensor and even bumped the clocks so it seems to me they aren't really unhappy the position of the Tensor chip relative to everything else. It's going to be a distinctly midrange chip compared to the 2023 flagships if the rumors about the gains Qualcomm got from switching to TSMC end up panning out.
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The Tensor is definitely meant to be upper midrange with bursty performance rather than a flagship with steady high performance. I mean Google could have gone to Samsung 4nm and chose not to while being totally aware of the peak performance issues with the first gen Tensor and even bumped the clocks so it seems to me they aren't really unhappy the position of the Tensor chip relative to everything else. It's going to be a distinctly midrange chip compared to the 2023 flagships if the rumors about the gains Qualcomm got from switching to TSMC end up panning out.
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I have a theory I've mentioned before that since Google depends on Samsung for so much, you have to consider that Samsung doesn't necessarily make the best of the best available for Google to purchase at a reasonable price since Google's products effectively compete with Samsung's own, and Samsung has Google more "over the barrel" than Google does Samsung.
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I have a theory I've mentioned before that since Google depends on Samsung for so much, you have to consider that Samsung doesn't necessarily make the best of the best available for Google to purchase at a reasonable price since Google's products effectively compete with Samsung's own, and Samsung has Google more "over the barrel" than Google does Samsung.
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This is certainly possible. I also think that Google is pretty happy with Tensor overall. They have never marketed this phone as the top performing device but the performance it does have is pretty solid. Until I installed the beta, I hadn't even seen any random lag, which is amazing to me coming from the mess that was the OnePlus 9.
Thought this might be a good place to share this...
Chip chat! And not the cool ranch kind. In the fourth episode of the #MadeByGoogle podcast, our host Rachid Finge speaks with Monika Gupta, Senior Director of Product Management for Google Silicon Teams, about the Tensor G2 chip in Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro. Monika and Rachid discuss Google’s AI first approach, how Tensor got its name, its role in our favourite speech and camera features, and why classical benchmarks for chips don’t always tell the whole story.
Episode 04 – Chip Chat
Chip chat! And not the cool ranch kind. In the fourth episode of the #MadeByGoogle podcast, our host Rachid Finge speaks with Monika Gupta, Senior Director of Product Management for Google Silicon Teams, about the Tensor G2 chip in Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro. Monika and Rachid discuss Google’s AI...
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This thread still alive/relevant? 'Cause I've been looking for information on how to access the TPU on the Tensor chip and didn't find anything
My dream is to be able some day to run LLaMA on Tensor's TPU via ggml/llama.cpp - but for that you'd need to know how to access the TPU directly and that doesn't seem to be possible in any way... or may be I missed something?
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The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
On digging futher. I traced the problem back to the speed governors and thermal management on the nexus 5.
There are quite a few articles discussing how the Note 3 CPU throttling differs from the Nexus 5.
Hell some benchmarks report that the nexus 5 is even slower than the nexus 4.1
WTF Google all this noise about Kit Kat and you get blwon out of the water by older slower phones.
Is there anyway for us to fix this.
Is there anyway for us to use and load the Note 3 system UI and Kernel on the nexus. As they both have identical CPU and GPU.
Please somebody come up with a fix for this.
I tried one of the Kernels on here that claimed to solve this problem But it resulted in frequent hangs and black screens.
Had to reload factory image just to boot.
Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.
Hi,
If your concern is only about bench, flash this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2537299, then take a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506965...
Stock is slow in bench (compared to other devices) right, but not in general UI...
For the other parts of your post... No comment . One thing is, I think, you should read and learn a bit more... and have a different approach in your reasoning...
I, on the other hand, will comment on your reasoning: you think that benchmarks show real life performance of a device? You have no idea what you're talking about, and exposing your ignorance in such a post is not very wise.
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So... Even when the phone performs extremely and blazing FAST (because it does and you know it) you are calling it slow because of benchmarks results. When, by the way, samsung CHEATS in benchmarks It's proven that they push the CPU and the GPU to clock speeds that are never used when you actually use the phone, and lock them there, but only during the benchmark. When you exit the benchmark, the phone returns to a normal state. That's called CHEATING you know.
https://www.google.es/search?q=sams...7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
And you want the sluggish samsung UI in your nexus? You, sir... You... No, I just can't understand you
benchmarks are not real life usage. I had to come to that same realization as well. Who cares if your phone can score 30k+ on antutu or whatever if it lags and stutters on anything else. What matters is all around scrolling fluency,speed of app open,performance in games etc. not a number on a list
LOL, this has to be trolling, you cannot be for real. Thanks for the good laugh :laugh:
If, by the slight chance you are serious, I must ask what apps, etc you use that are "slow" and/or causing lag??
What do you wish was faster?
Ha ha. Holiday chuckles. Thanks for this
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RonChinoy said:
The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
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Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks
Oh no....not again.
the nexus 5 in no way is slow. not even in benchmarks. maybe you dont know how to benchmark properly, maybe the reviews that you read the people dont know how to benchmark properly. but slow and nexus 5 do not go together. besides for benchmarks, which should mean absolutely nothing to you, its the fastest device out there in user experience as well, which is way more important than a benchmark.. oh, btw, i run my nexus 5 at 2880mhz without a single problem.
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I learned this too the Nexus 5 if you're on 100% Completely stock doesn't give its 100% percent effort
using an app such as System monitor with the floating window, my nexus 5 clocks @ 1.7ghz - 1.4Ghz and it only uses 2 cores for the entire benchmark
I look @ my cheating S3 and once i opened the app the CPU was reved up to 1.5Ghz and stayed like that entire benchmark
RonChinoy said:
The only reason I purchased the Nexus 5 was because it uses the same processor as the Note 3. So was expecting it to be on par with the note 3.
Also as it had kitkat expected it to be much faster than the Note 3.
But every single bench mark. (And i am talking about those that do not cheat).
Shows that the nexus is no where near the speed of the Note 3.
Hell its even slower than the S4. Which is a crying shame.
On digging futher. I traced the problem back to the speed governors and thermal management on the nexus 5.
There are quite a few articles discussing how the Note 3 CPU throttling differs from the Nexus 5.
Hell some benchmarks report that the nexus 5 is even slower than the nexus 4.1
WTF Google all this noise about Kit Kat and you get blwon out of the water by older slower phones.
Is there anyway for us to fix this.
Is there anyway for us to use and load the Note 3 system UI and Kernel on the nexus. As they both have identical CPU and GPU.
Please somebody come up with a fix for this.
I tried one of the Kernels on here that claimed to solve this problem But it resulted in frequent hangs and black screens.
Had to reload factory image just to boot.
Why is the Nexus 5 development laging so bad when say compared to the Samsung Phones.
My 2 cents never buy a google phone. Buy a Samsung Phone. Hell my S2 could run its dual core at 1.4 all day without a single problem.
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Yeah, I buy a phone to play benchmarks too! They're pretty fun... I can't enjoy my phone unless the numbers that benchmarks show me are higher than other peoples numbers.
If you didn't know already, other phones that aren't a nexus will automatically force the processor to run at max speed whenever a benchmark app is opened. Therefore, there is no throttling when the benchmark is running. On nexus devices it won't do that and it'll just regulate the processor speed according to what it needs (most of the time it won't even use all 4 cores). This is why other phones will seem to get a higher score than the n5 when it comes to benchmarks.
Ha... Obviously your OP is a joke. I gave my son my Note3 and had the S4 before that since it came out and I can assure you my Nexus5 is quicker in every way for day-to-day usage.
I'm not dogging the Samsung phones because they are awesome but your statement about the N5 being slower is false.
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mmmmBACON said:
Yeah, I buy a phone to play benchmarks too! They're pretty fun... I can't enjoy my phone unless the numbers that benchmarks show me are higher than other peoples numbers.
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Samezies
why caring so much about benchmarks?
the actually performance is great, i have no complaint
I can't believe that people are still getting hung up on benchmark scores. It's such a relic from the early days of Android when usability was terrible and pulling down 1000 on Quadrant actually kind of meant something. It's totally irrelevant now. Whenever I read a phone review on a mainstream tech site (other than AnandTech and Ars Technica) that goes into benchmark scores, I just want to puke because they place way too much emphasis on scores over usability.
Bottom line - the N5 is fast. Really fast. Period. I don't care if your benchmark scores are too low for your liking out of the box.
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First thank you to the first guy who responded with two helpful links.
The rest of the comments where childish and immature.
Must be an age thing. Im 45 and have been compiling linux kernels since the early 90s.
First off Samsung are not cheating. They sold you a phone rated to X Mhz. And when they detect a bench mark test they let you have that speed.
The only reason they can let you have that speed is because its a well designed phone. face it.
Their thermal management is better. Why are Nexus owners so anal ? About facing facts.
Its a bit like buying a car. You see the engine configuration. 4 LTR V8. 500 BHP.
But oh wait you really cant put your nexus on a Dyno. Because it wont be able to give you 500 BHP without blowing up. Or getting damaged cause its thermal management is so bad. I don think custom Roms or kernels are the solution. The real solution is better thermal management.
The Samsung on the other hand you can put on the Dyno. And it will show you 500 BHP. Oh wait thats a bad word here.
Nexus 4.1 outperforms it.
But I understand that this is a soft spot for you guys. So lets just compare the Nexus 5 to the Nexus 4.1.
The Nexus 4.1 is faster in some bench mark tests ?. I see no way in hell that should happen.
We are coming in 5th and 6th behind some really dated and slower phones.
Forget bench marks. I am seeing that my apps are slowing down because of the heat issue. Hell my old s2 could hold a better clip and run better. Without over heating and ****ting it self like this.
Glad to see in the links provided that some people at least have acknowledged what Im saying.
1. The Thermal Throttling on the N5 out of the box is absurd.
2. The Thermal management on the N5 is seriously lacking. This is the real issue. This is why they have to be absurd on the thermal throttling. Cause heat dissipation or the basic design is lacking.
What do I need the speed for ?. Well that is my business. Its a bit like asking what do you need 500 BHP for ?. I paid for it. Im expecting it.
And if you must know
I need to sample sensors, GPS and OBD data from a race car while shooting a video. And our in car Temps are over 60c.
And yes when you Quad core Snap dragon 800 is performing slower than a 4.1 Nexus 600. I think its an issue. Weather you want to accept it or not.
Glad to see some people have already accepted that we got short changed by Google or Nexus. And we have to now resort to bumming stuff off the Moto X is just hilarious. So much for having state of the art Kit Kat LOL. Now we have to start bumming files off the moto x. That was the low point for me.
I'm assuming you haven't found a fix/mod with N5 thermal management?
Would love to have an app that let me switch to performance mode so I can play games and watch 1080p 10bit videos without being throttled.
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I'm assuming you haven't found a fix/mod with N5 thermal management?
Would love to have an app that let me switch to performance mode so I can play games and watch 1080p 10bit videos without being throttled.
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if you have root, jist disable it. many custom kernels allow for this.
Suggest some best gaming phones according to you
this review will summarize it all for my recommendation:
Digital Foundry: HTC One M9 review
performance is impressive as there are no additional pixels to push.
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In the face of 2.5K screens used in other flagship phones this year, the choice to avoid bumping the M9's screen resolution is a surprise. In some respects this is a plus point; we're fast approaching a point of diminishing visual turns, and a resolution bump only increases the burden on a processor. The gains would have been slight, unless you plan on pressing your nose up to the glass for a closer inspection.
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Refreshingly, the power doesn't come at the expense of overall clarity, either. Google and Motorola have attempted a similar trick with the Nexus 6, but at maximum volume the M9 is a clear front-runner in this area. The sound tech has a positive impact on call quality too, as the uppermost Boomsound speaker above the screen is used during calls and provides excellent results.
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The M9 is blessed with a fearsome arsenal of tech, but it has attracted some negative attention for generating excessive amounts of heat. It's true that when engaged in a particularly taxing activity the phone's casing becomes noticeably warm, but no more so than many of its cutting-edge rivals, and we suspect the reason it's more immediately obvious here is because the aluminium casing is channelling the heat more effectively. During our review we felt we pushed HTC's device to the limit, and it never got uncomfortably hot - something which was claimed in many early hands-on previews by other sites.
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With this much power to hand, HTC has clearly had to put measures in place to shackle this beast. Running at full pelt, the M9's internals would usually drain its 2840mAh in no time at all. To combat this, the phone attempts to strike a balance by giving you just enough power when you need it, but eases off the accelerator once things become too demanding. It's a problem every mobile maker faces, as battery technology simply isn't keeping pace with CPU evolution, and all that can be done is to cram bigger power cells into phones. While the M9 certainly isn't the most ravenous handset we've encountered, its stamina is hardly awe-inspiring. You'll almost certainly have to charge it every day if you intend to make the most of the Snapdragon 810 chipset's potential.
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Games run very smoothly on the HTC One M9, a consequence of improving the processor while keeping the screen resolution the same as last year. The Boomsound speakers bring audio to life too, making this feel - at times - like a genuine console experience.
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HTC's handset has the added advantage of expandability too; you can slot in a microSD card of up to 128GB in capacity. This will come as excellent news to those who want to use their phone as a multimedia powerhouse, although it should be noted that inserting a card containing a lot of content could impact the overall performance of the phone.
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If you're willing to wait, I suggest waiting for the Note 5. (October/November).
If not, the M9 or the Note 4 are your best bets. The 5.0" M9 has a lower resolution and a slightly newer cpu/gpu, but the Note 4 has 5.7", 2K and an AMOLED screen. Especially the latter results in better colours and infinite contrast (black=black).
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HTC's handset has the added advantage of expandability too; you can slot in a microSD card of up to 128GB in capacity. This will come as excellent news to those who want to use their phone as a multimedia powerhouse, although it should be noted that inserting a card containing a lot of content could impact the overall performance of the phone.
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Dropping a .nomedia file in every folder you don't need to see in a media player excludes that folder, and the files and folders in it, from the indexing service. (You can still launch the files from the file explorer) This prevents the performance impact. I've got about 8.000 pdf files in one folder on my MicroSD, with the .nomedia file the folder is skipped and doesn't affect the device.
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this review will summarize it all for my recommendation:
Digital Foundry: HTC One M9 review
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?thanks for providing me with such deep info. I will definitely follow up with it.......
ShadowLea said:
If you're willing to wait, I suggest waiting for the Note 5. (October/November).
If not, the M9 or the Note 4 are your best bets. The 5.0" M9 has a lower resolution and a slightly newer cpu/gpu, but the Note 4 has 5.7", 2K and an AMOLED screen. Especially the latter results in better colours and infinite contrast (black=black).
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Dropping a .nomedia file in every folder you don't need to see in a media player excludes that folder, and the files and folders in it, from the indexing service. (You can still launch the files from the file explorer) This prevents the performance impact. I've got about 8.000 pdf files in one folder on my MicroSD, with the .nomedia file the folder is skipped and doesn't affect the device.
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/Thanks for your valuable suggestion but i dont like Note series.I hope you won't mind......
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Have you gotten your pic? There are so many smartphones for gaming this quarter of 2015. some Rankings
Care to look into the latest Nexus series? Nexus 5 and up.
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If not, the M9 or the Note 4 are your best bets. The 5.0" M9 has a lower resolution and a slightly newer cpu/gpu, but the Note 4 has 5.7", 2K and an AMOLED screen. Especially the latter results in better colours and infinite contrast
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2k is not really a good thing as it wastes precious GPU power, but yea the screen overall is more gorgeous on the N4/S6
however there is one very imporant factor and that is GPU throttling, and the way HTC does it is better:
if you check the Anandtech reviews, the S6 has the exact gaming problem on every Samsung flagship, ie: jumping frame-rates, even though HTC throttles the GPU on the latest M9 base they do it with grace, it steadily slows down and eventually holds at the M8 speed (after 50 minutes), if you let it cool (for 2-5 minutes thanks to metal) it jumps back up and you start the cycle again, on the s6 the GPU throttling is constantly jumping up and down, which affects real world gaming:
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The end performance actually ends up being quite similar to the One M8, but performance during the test is much higher than what we saw on the One M8.
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The one major issue here that is visible from the FPS vs time graph is that Samsung continues to struggle with graceful throttling as the GPU attempts to always target maximum performance, which causes a strong rise and fall in frame rate as the GPU goes through periods of high and low clock speeds determined by the thermal governor.
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With that said, there are still problems with Samsung Mobile’s drivers, as we see some pretty poor user experience from thermally throttled situations due to the oscillating behavior of GPU performance.
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This is why i prefer gaming on HTC since the M8 because they figured out how to do gaming finally after years of mess on Android, they know how to do it the iPhone way, Samsung is all about brute but no care about actual real world experience, a jumpy frame rate like that will kill any gaming experience
i dont kow if that affects the Note series though, I think the Note surely has better thermal release than the SGS6 due to its size and no glass
In general the best gaming Android gamer is either the M8 or M9, especially when we take audio into account
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Have you gotten your pic? There are so many smartphones for gaming this quarter of 2015. some Rankings
Care to look into the latest Nexus series? Nexus 5 and up.
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/Nexus 5 is a good deal but I was thinking of MOTO Maxx. What do you say?
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2k is not really a good thing as it wastes precious GPU power, but yea the screen overall is more gorgeous on the N4/S6
however there is one very imporant factor and that is GPU throttling, and the way HTC does it is better:
if you check the Anandtech reviews, the S6 has the exact gaming problem on every Samsung flagship, ie: jumping frame-rates, even though HTC throttles the GPU on the latest M9 base they do it with grace, it steadily slows down and eventually holds at the M8 speed (after 50 minutes), if you let it cool (for 2-5 minutes thanks to metal) it jumps back up and you start the cycle again, on the s6 the GPU throttling is constantly jumping up and down, which affects real world gaming:
This is why i prefer gaming on HTC since the M8 because they figured out how to do gaming finally after years of mess on Android, they know how to do it the iPhone way, Samsung is all about brute but no care about actual real world experience, a jumpy frame rate like that will kill any gaming experience
i dont kow if that affects the Note series though, I think the Note surely has better thermal release than the SGS6 due to its size and no glass
In general the best gaming Android gamer is either the M8 or M9, especially when we take audio into account
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/You have given me so many options that its difficult for me to choose I am confused. You are having quite deap knowledge in this stuff can you tell me Is Motto Maxx a good option or not?
If the priority is gaming, I'd say go with a Nexus 6. Bigass screen, front-facing speakers. What more could you want?
Best eyecandy gaming experience -> S6 antutu 65k (but the battery is its dissea)
Best earcandy gaming experience -> m9 antutu 57k
Gaming over longer time -> note 4 antutu 41k
I dont know what to buy :/ i use s4 atm and playing heavy games like mc5 is crap compared to s6. But therefore battery is crap in s6.
Conclusion: be patient for note 5 to arrive this september. Ill probably still buy the s6 in two weeks because of its performance. And then later the note 5
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I am willing to donate 100USD and crowdfund another 900USD (I'm willing to inject another 400USD to help the crowdfund hit it's target) for any dev that can make a fully functional port of the gcam (with nightsight, portrait mode and a fully functional selfiecam) for the exynos version of the S10+. Spread the word, this is legit
F it man, I'm in, can't do much but will donate 10 to the crowdfund. GCAM with the proper Night Sight on this sensor would be incredible.
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I am willing to donate 100USD and crowdfund another 900USD (I'm willing to inject another 400USD to help the crowdfund hit it's target) for any dev that can make a fully functional port of the gcam (with nightsight, portrait mode and a fully functional selfiecam) for the exynos version of the S10+. Spread the word, this is legit
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Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.
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Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.
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I hate samsung's agressive post processing (specially in selfies that looks like **** in the dark). Besides, money is not an issue
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Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.
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Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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Same thoughts here.
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Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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Have a look at the Anandtech article that came out yesterday, the exynos and snapdragon variants are vastly different even though they're supposed to be the same S10, the software love was only given to the 855 model, and lazily ported over to the exynos variant. This is kinda why we need a better image processing solution from the community, because Samsung cba about it... Quote from the article below;
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/14
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Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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You're totally right, the camera , or the hardware are way better on the s10 , but it's not only about the hardware, image processing is important too, and ssdly the imagie processing which is the software on the samsung is not that good, and the gcam is way way better , so with the samsung hardware and the pixel software (gcam) u can have the best picture on the market.
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Have a look at the Anandtech article that came out yesterday, the exynos and snapdragon variants are vastly different even though they're supposed to be the same S10, the software love was only given to the 855 model, and lazily ported over to the exynos variant. This is kinda why we need a better image processing solution from the community, because Samsung cba about it... Quote from the article below;
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/14
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Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.
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Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.
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Haha I love this theory. So you're claiming they're biased towards qualcomm even though they definitely praise a lot of the other aspects of the Exynos in the review, how it has a solidly better battery life when compared to 855, and how the A55 cores on the Exynos are way better. Where do you get the "disabled HDR" idea, they put both on Auto and took the photos, they even discuss the actual HDR processing.
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
The Mate 20 Pro is a contender for detail in this shot, but loses out in colours and dynamic range to the S10.
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Hmmm based on that last sentence now you'll claim they're Huawei Kirin shills. Lol way to "keep it classy" with your conspiracy theories mate.
The fact is 99% of the reviews do not mention the fact that the Exynos camera app doesn't take full advantage of the processing like the Qualcomm model, and there is a clear difference that must be addressed by Samsung. It's a damn shame because the 9820 is a really capable beast and deserves the same amount of finesse and perfection that is present in the 855 software.
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Haha I love this theory. So you're claiming they're biased towards qualcomm even though they definitely praise a lot of the other aspects of the Exynos in the review, how it has a solidly better battery life when compared to 855, and how the A55 cores on the Exynos are way better. Where do you get the "disabled HDR" idea, they put both on Auto and took the photos, they even discuss the actual HDR processing.
Hmmm based on that last sentence now you'll claim they're Huawei Kirin shills. Lol way to "keep it classy" with your conspiracy theories mate.
The fact is 99% of the reviews do not mention the fact that the Exynos camera app doesn't take full advantage of the processing like the Qualcomm model, and there is a clear difference that must be addressed by Samsung. It's a damn shame because the 9820 is a really capable beast and deserves the same amount of finesse and perfection that is present in the 855 software.
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Praising?
How's "Although battery life and performance this year aren’t an issue for the Exynos variant" praising it?
Another point, the end of their battery page states
"One issue I can confirm with the Exynos unit is that after a voice call in any app, the phone isn’t correctly entering its lower power state, and will suffer from increased idle battery drain until a reboot. This is something that hopefully Samsung addresses in a firmware update as it doesn’t look to be a hardware related issue. When not affected by this bug, both phones idle very similar to each other and slightly better than the S9+ I use as my daily device."
Seriously? This guide is a day old and they even bothered to include a bug that has been fixed in ASBA, TWO firmwares ago, even with half the comments mentioning it has been fixed and it doesn't belong in their review, it's still there.
This trashy excuse of a tech blog belongs in my fakenews domain blocking host, just so I stop seeing their poorly made articles whenever Google decides to shove them in my face.
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Praising?
How's "Although battery life and performance this year aren’t an issue for the Exynos variant" praising it?
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Because 9810 was riddled with very bad battery performance, this year it is a lot better. He's talking about it comparing to the last iteration, it is surprising that the Exynos went from underperforming last year, to beating snapdragon this year;
In our web browsing test, both Galaxy S10+s are showcasing outstanding longevity at 13.08h for the Exynos and 12.75h for the Snapdragon variant. Least to say, I was extremely surprised to see this result even though we measured the Exynos 9820 CPU to be quite less efficient than the Snapdragon 855 in peak performance efficiency. I would have not expected the Exynos to match the Snapdragon, much less slightly beat it.
Another point, the end of their battery page states
"One issue I can confirm with the Exynos unit is that after a voice call in any app, the phone isn’t correctly entering its lower power state, and will suffer from increased idle battery drain until a reboot. This is something that hopefully Samsung addresses in a firmware update as it doesn’t look to be a hardware related issue. When not affected by this bug, both phones idle very similar to each other and slightly better than the S9+ I use as my daily device."
Seriously? This guide is a day old and they even bothered to include a bug that has been fixed in ASBA, TWO firmwares ago, even with half the comments mentioning it has been fixed and it doesn't belong in their review, it's still there.
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The bug was not fixed two firmwares ago, I've no idea what you're talking about. I had it until yesterday when the new s10e patch fixed it, every time I had a teams or whatsapp call the deepsleep broke and I had to reboot the device.
This trashy excuse of a tech blog belongs in my fakenews domain blocking host, just so I stop seeing their poorly made articles whenever Google decides to shove them in my face.
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What other genuine review articles have you read that go as in depth as anandtech and talk about the scheduler, voltage and efficiency curves, the A75 A55 and Mongoose triple chip design, die shot with detailed cache information, testing and EVEN comparing it to a desktop 9900k, I would love to see your "non fakenews" blogs that go as in depth. Seems like you're sour about them being critical of something in an objective, factual way.
Don't get me wrong I love my Exynos S10e, the screen is gorgeous, I regularly get 7+ hours SOT, but there's still room for improvement in the thermals, it can do with a lot more tweaking. My hope is that by the time Note 10 comes out, they'll have worked out a lot of the software issues and also done a better Bright Night implementation, making this phone as good as it can be.
Let's stay on track here, everyone. No flaming will be permitted. Offending posts will be deleted.
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Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.
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suspected this.
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Joseph Gomes said:
It just means you don't know how to use Gcam. All those problems can be solved by changing the lib. If you can't change minor settings on android, you should stick to iphones.
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That kind of goes beyond "minor settings on Android", nobody guarantees that Gcam will always be better or even work, I checked some Gcam vs Stock samples and I wasn't impressed, low light was a bit better but everything else was worse and I think they went for the best lib options otherwise it would look even worse.
Samsung got struck for assuming everyone would be fine with AI deciding when to enable the night camera and they confirmed working on changing that, once that is changed(if implemented well) I'm confident that Gcam will have no benefit to bring on the table.
You were already warned by a mod previously to keep it civil, and it just went downhill from there.
I suggest all of you take a deep breath and realize this looks like a group of 12 year olds fighting about who's smarter.
Some of the past few posts had nothing to do with Gcam and more to do with belittling each other. If you want to have an argument about stock vs Gcam, that's perfectly acceptable, as long as it's calm. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there's no reason for name calling just because of someone's personal preference being different than yours.
Thread has been cleaned, let's keep it that way.
I have snapdragon and used gcam, I've since deleted it because the Samsung camera pictures simply look better, even low light. Just imho
Are you kidding to make a bounty for an app for a crap smartphone sensor? (All smartphone's camera sensors are crap)... for my curiosity, I measured myself the dynamic range of my S10+ Exynos with a calibrated grey card and I found is near 7 1/2 stops @ISO 50 taking in consideration the brightness only (the color DR is much worse), and my Canon M50 has double of that dynamic range and you can find it on Amazon for less than US$700. Who can even imagine to put money in a bounty for this?
I can't understand why people are discussing if the Samsung sensor that comes with the Exynos is better than the Sony that comes with the Snapdragon... both are crap, looking the people that are testing smartphone cameras I see none of them that are able to take a descent shot, why they don't start first to learn how to shot a good picture?
Do you think that I cared about if the sensor was good or not when I shot this pictures with my S7 some years ago, at that time I was worried about how much lost of quality I will get shooting behind a window instead of thinking about the sensor...
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Why don't you donate that US$100 to an NGO that will use that money in a useful way instead of wasting your money?
Lots of words and blah blah in this thread, but I've got images to prove that the Samsung Bright Night in its current form sucks, and either Samsung needs to step it up, or we need to move ahead with the bounty. Found this on the snapdragon gcam thread https://m.imgur.com/gallery/7VsVaTO
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The night mode on Exynos sucks, but overall sharpness is pretty bad for regular indoor pics. And the colors are washed out as compared to Snapdragon version. Samsung needs to fix all of these issues on Exynos.
Since turning it on for the first time I often notice overheating in the upper area under the cameras. It does this very often when it is empty or when I use heavy apps like Call of Duty mobile .. has anyone noticed something similar? It seems absurd to me that such a phone will overheat like this
Sorry to hear that your phone is overheating.
Except when installing the phone the first time, i did not have any problems with it heating up. I dont use have apps so can't help you with that ( most heavy app i use is prob Clash of clans haha)
Unfortunately, that is the 888. Only real solution is to decrease the settings on "heavy" games and take breaks.
I have the same issue. My sister and cousin have the phone also but neither is experiencing it. I don't play games or watch videos on the phone. I only use it for calls, messaging, and online shopping so there is no reason for it to happen. I called to get a replacement. Hopefully the new device will not have the same issue.
Oh perfect! So if I replace I resolve?
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I don't know how anybody would expect this very compact phone to not get hot with intensive tasks. It shouldn't get hot with light usage, though. Also try using Samsung browser instead of chrome if it gets hot when browsing.
I noticed mine getting awful hot the other day while using Android Auto on my car stereo with it in my pocket in my shirt, got so hot I had to take my phone out my pocket and put it in my cup holder. I noticed it getting hot also while watching Youtube videos at the house also, it wasn't in my pocket against my body though so it wasnt really that big a deal! LOL!
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Unfortunately, that is the 888. Only real solution is to decrease the settings on "heavy" games and take breaks.
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This is correct. Let's just be happy Samsung didn't put the SD888+ in the phone. The SD888 already had thermal problems. Can only imagine the SD888 being hotter from being overclocked.
Its not overheating, its getting hot. Android OS will shut down and give a warning when overheating. If your not using a case you will notice a lot more than a previous phone with a case installed. Its a CPU and GPU that creates heat. Its normal to get hot during high intensive cpu/gpu use and or when charging. It also tends to get hot when setting up for 1st time and transferring data from an old device.
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Its not overheating, its getting hot. Android OS will shut down and give a warning when overheating. If your not using a case you will notice a lot more than a previous phone with a case installed. Its a CPU and GPU that creates heat. Its normal to get hot during high intensive cpu/gpu use and or when charging. It also tends to get hot when setting up for 1st time and transferring data from an old device.
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I think you may have missed the point trying to correct the wording. The 888 gets significantly hotter than even the previous 865+ performing the same tasks. The issue is that what used to be just a bit warm is now hot and one warm day will easily push that into overheating. The performance increase may not justify the difference, which is where a lot of people will have an issue.
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I think you may have missed the point trying to correct the wording. The 888 gets significantly hotter than even the previous 865+ performing the same tasks. The issue is that what used to be just a bit warm is now hot and one warm day will easily push that into overheating. The performance increase may not justify the difference, which is where a lot of people will have an issue.
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Ive been using mine in 90* weather gaming, videos, etc... and have had the same warm/hot feeling I got with my s10+. I have yet to have overheating. I didnt see anyone mention the OS shutting down due to regular use and overheating but I could be mistaken. Being that I have been overclocking PC's, phones for 20 years the heat I am getting from my Flip 3 seems pretty normal.
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Ive been using mine in 90* weather gaming, videos, etc... and have had the same warm/hot feeling I got with my s10+. I have yet to have overheating. I didnt see anyone mention the OS shutting down due to regular use and overheating but I could be mistaken. Being that I have been overclocking PC's, phones for 20 years the heat I am getting from my Flip 3 seems pretty normal.
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I understand the point you are trying to make, but Android has not existed for 20 years. Anything before the G1 is irrelevant. That said, you also have to discard anything you used that wasn't Snapdragon, since Qualcomm and Mali (or others) are simply not the same thing.
Now that you are looking at a much less impressive list of past devices, you have to consider that you aren't actually overclocking and the 888 is currently capped. You also have to consider that the 888 does perform much more efficiently, so it may even seem cooler than an S10+ when doing the same basic tasks. After all, the 855 was known for getting hot and is now two generations back in terms of performance. When you notice the heat is when you run things the S10+ would struggle to handle.
The problem I was actually pointing out was comparing the 865+ and 888. The 865+ clocks higher than the 888, but the 888 runs significantly hotter. Running the same games on an 865+ and an 888 will yield higher temperature from the 888, but only marginal performance improvement. The question is what happens when you try to run the 888 at its full capabilities?
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I understand the point you are trying to make, but Android has not existed for 20 years. Anything before the G1 is irrelevant. That said, you also have to discard anything you used that wasn't Snapdragon, since Qualcomm and Mali (or others) are simply not the same thing.
Now that you are looking at a much less impressive list of past devices, you have to consider that you aren't actually overclocking and the 888 is currently capped. You also have to consider that the 888 does perform much more efficiently, so it may even seem cooler than an S10+ when doing the same basic tasks. After all, the 855 was known for getting hot and is now two generations back in terms of performance. When you notice the heat is when you run things the S10+ would struggle to handle.
The problem I was actually pointing out was comparing the 865+ and 888. The 865+ clocks higher than the 888, but the 888 runs significantly hotter. Running the same games on an 865+ and an 888 will yield higher temperature from the 888, but only marginal performance improvement. The question is what happens when you try to run the 888 at its full capabilities?
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Again its hot but NOT overheating. Anyways where I messed up in replying here is I thought I was in the Fold thread and NOT Flip. LOL. The Fold with its bigger chassis probably handles the heat a lot better. My daughter has the Flip and has not mentioned that it gets hot, but I now want to play with it.
And a side note I have been doing mobile device repair since the iphone was released and have worked on every snapdragon phone pretty much ever made.
JayRolla said:
Again its hot but NOT overheating. Anyways where I messed up in replying here is I thought I was in the Fold thread and NOT Flip. LOL. The Fold with its bigger chassis probably handles the heat a lot better. My daughter has the Flip and has not mentioned that it gets hot, but I now want to play with it.
And a side note I have been doing mobile device repair since the iphone was released and have worked on every snapdragon phone pretty much ever made.
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I never said it was overheating, either. I said it has a much higher potential to overheat and environmental temperature will have a greater impact on it.
I've also been repairing phones since long before the iPhone, so I apologize that those credentials don't have more weight.
In all honesty, this 888 is much tamer than some. Take a look at the ROG Phone 5. You can melt an igloo running YouTube with that.
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In all honesty, this 888 is much tamer than some. Take a look at the ROG Phone 5. You can melt an igloo running YouTube with that.
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Anyone had the LG G Flex 2 with the 810? That thing got hot just being on the homescreen.
The Flip3 is nowhere near that and a non-issue heat wise for me. Especially now that I have the strap case where I don't notice it at all.
M4-NOOB said:
Anyone had the LG G Flex 2 with the 810? That thing got hot just being on the homescreen.
The Flip3 is nowhere near that and a non-issue heat wise for me. Especially now that I have the strap case where I don't notice it at all.
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I honestly think Samsung did some behind the scenes limitations on it. The ROG Phone 5 and Z Flip 3 are both the 888, but there is a much larger performance gap than just a few minor software optimizations.
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I honestly think Samsung did some behind the scenes limitations on it. The ROG Phone 5 and Z Flip 3 are both the 888, but there is a much larger performance gap than just a few minor software optimizations.
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Yes samsung limit big core and prime core even when gaming pubg , wild rift , mobile legend. I jist finish an hour game pubg and see the result of big core and prime core even when running demanding game. Samsung does not fully utilize big and prime core. Most of its task use small core. Big and prime deep sleep very deep. Gpu will not run over 500mhz
I have the same issue when using Android Auto with it. Overheats to the point that music starts stuttering and then AA just shuts off completely. T-Mobile is sending me a replacement but the lady at the store said her friend had the exact same issue. I don't game or do anything that would require the SD888 to go nuts.
i got mine to overheat after a long video call with usb power on a somewhat hot day, had to close camera and give it a sec to cool down.
honestly its not terrible, but it does heat up more than regular phones. during regular use its fine imo
Here you go
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1580897933171429376
but, honestly, how many people are getting the Pixel 7 Pro for gaming....?
this kinda just shows how the tensor 2 chip is for gaming environment....not a.i. or software fluidity, right?
Definitely didn't buy it for gaming. The only gaming I do on my phone is maybe some brick breaker to pass time.
Looks more efficient than Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 so what's the big deal?
Blah, blah, blah, who really cares? I have the phone in hand and compared to the previous Pixel(s) I used the 7 Pro is a winner! FINALLY, Google made a good phone that does everything I need, or want, just fine! The SOC's from 5 years ago were more than enough for 99% of the population.
EtherealRemnant said:
Looks more efficient than Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 so what's the big deal?
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Not sure that's anything to boast about, the 8 Gen 1 is terrible.
Batfink33 said:
Not sure that's anything to boast about, the 8 Gen 1 is terrible.
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Right but the G2 is also better than the 2100, 2200, and probably the OG Tensor before it (curious how that's NOT in the list because I'm sure it makes the G2 look good and we can't have that) so again, what's the gripe?
Oh, right, dude has a YouTube. Gotta get those click dollars.
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Right but the G2 is also better than the 2100, 2200, and probably the OG Tensor before it (curious how that's NOT in the list because I'm sure it makes the G2 look good and we can't have that) so again, what's the gripe?
Oh, right, dude has a YouTube. Gotta get those click dollars.
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The gripe is more to do with the rubbish 4 and 5nm Samsung fabs node that has produced inefficient SOCs for the past few years. We've been short changed with Android SOCs because of this.
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The gripe is more to do with the rubbish 4 and 5nm Samsung fabs node that has produced inefficient SOCs for the past few years. We've been short changed with Android SOCs because of this.
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Again, it's outperforming others while still being demonstrably more efficient so I don't understand the gripe. Even the temps are better than anything that performed worse than it except for the chips using GOS.
I'm so sick of seeing Google get slammed for having a good product despite what they had to work with. It's not like Google can just switch fabs, their agreement with Samsung LSI covers all these components and fabrication.
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Again, it's outperforming others while still being demonstrably more efficient so I don't understand the gripe. Even the temps are better than anything that performed worse than it except for the chips using GOS.
I'm so sick of seeing Google get slammed for having a good product despite what they had to work with. It's not like Google can just switch fabs, their agreement with Samsung LSI covers all these components and fabrication.
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I'm not slamming Google, I'm slamming Samsung fabs who have produced pretty awful SOCs for the past few years. Most of the Android SOCs are performing poorly because of this so saying Tensor is outperforming them doesn't mean much because they're *all* performing below par. When we get into TSMC SOCs next year and (hopefully) the 3nm Samsung node then we'll start to see Android phones improve again.
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I'm not slamming Google, I'm slamming Samsung fabs who have produced pretty awful SOCs for the past few years. All the SOCs are performing poorly because of this so saying Tensor is outperforming them doesn't mean much because they're *all* performing below par. When we get into TSMC SOCs next year and (hopefully) the 3nm Samsung node then we'll start to see Android phones improve again.
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I doubt that it's going to be as good as you think it is. It's going to be more high benchmarks and then a crash back to reality. Google seems to have actually engineered this thing for sustained performance and I don't have any complaints about the performance so far.
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I doubt that it's going to be as good as you think it is. It's going to be more high benchmarks and then a crash back to reality. Google seems to have actually engineered this thing for sustained performance and I don't have any complaints about the performance so far.
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Dont know if you've seen the Geekerwan
video but it explains all about power efficiency and how it isn't about high benchmarks and how Samsung fabs have produced pretty awful SOCs in terms of this. The 8+Gen 1 has improved the power efficiency massively over the 8 Gen 1 and that's all because of the TSMC manufacturing process. FWIW, there's rumours the 3nm Samsung is looking good so hopefully things will improve there but when youve got the OnePlus 7 Pro outperforming the latest flagships(as in the video) then you can see how badly things have went in the Android world lately.
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Dont know if you've seen the Geekerwan
video but it explains all about power efficiency and how it isn't about high benchmarks and how Samsung fabs have produced pretty awful SOCs in terms of this. The 8+Gen 1 has improved the power efficiency massively over the 8 Gen 1 and that's all because of the TSMC manufacturing process. FWIW, there's rumours the 3nm Samsung is looking good so hopefully things will improve there but when youve got the OnePlus 7 Pro outperforming the latest flagships(as in the video) then you can see how badly things have went in the Android world lately.
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Efficiency doesn't matter to most people, performance does. If the phone gets them through a day of heavy use, they're fine with it.
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Efficiency doesn't matter to most people, performance does. If the phone gets them through a day of heavy use, they're fine with it.
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Of course efficiency matters, people like the IPhone because the battery lasts forever. It also means the phone heats less/ thermal throttles less so performance is better. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, even Qualcomm moved away from Samsung fabs because of their low yields and poor production. Surely as Android users and paying top money for these products we should be demanding the best performance and manufacturing of the parts? Like I said, when a 3 or 4 year old phone is giving better performance and battery life than a £1300 phone today (s22u for eg) then we shouldn't be saying "oh it's fine".
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Of course efficiency matters, people like the IPhone because the battery lasts forever. It also means the phone heats less/ thermal throttles less so performance is better. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, even Qualcomm moved away from Samsung fabs because of their low yields and poor production. Surely as Android users and paying top money for these products we should be demanding the best performance and manufacturing of the parts? Like I said, when a 3 or 4 year old phone is giving better performance and battery life than a £1300 phone today (s22u for eg) then we shouldn't be saying "oh it's fine".
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Best performance and best efficiency aren't compatible. High performance parts sacrifice efficiency to get that performance. That's why a midrange phone can last days but a flagship can struggle to get through a single day.
There is no world where a 3 or 4 year old phone is actually outperforming a flagship of today unless you're talking about one that's been neutered by the manufacturer like Samsung and OnePlus do. Replace the stock ROM with a custom one and try again. Manufacturers keep nerfing performance because people whine about their phones being too warm.
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but, honestly, how many people are getting the Pixel 7 Pro for gaming....?
this kinda just shows how the tensor 2 chip is for gaming environment...
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Genshin Impact is the perfect game for testing GPU. I will never play this game but here you can see what you get with the Tensor G2.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1580618724511428609
And what you get is almost the chip from last year, which was already weak + in few weeks we will see the new Snapdragon 8 Gen2 which will smash the old one (and maybe even the A16).
Sure, you can lie to yourself and say something like "i dont need that" but the SoC is not powerful, not efficient and with the Exynos Modem you can forget about great battery life on mobile data, in late 2022.
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Genshin Impact is the perfect game for testing GPU. I will never play this game but here you can see what you get with the Tensor G2.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1580618724511428609
And what you get is almost the chip from last year, which was already weak + in few weeks we will see the new Snapdragon 8 Gen2 which will smash the old one (and maybe even the A16).
Sure, you can lie to yourself and say something like "i dont need that" but the SoC is not powerful, not efficient and with the Exynos Modem you can forget about great battery life on mobile data, in late 2022.
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Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 smash the A16? Hahahahahahahahaaaaaa!! Keep dreaming.
Looks more than fast enough for me. Benchmark slags are sad f*****s. For me it's about everyday use, and if my Note 10 Plus still cuts it from that perspective, this certainly will. An extra 5 FPS on a game I'll never play means jack as far as I'm concerned.
On a side note it's good to see it is amongst the lowest for temperatures.
Linuxkek said:
Genshin Impact is the perfect game for testing GPU. I will never play this game but here you can see what you get with the Tensor G2.
Sure, you can lie to yourself and say something like "i dont need that" but the SoC is not powerful, not efficient and with the Exynos Modem you can forget about great battery life on mobile data, in late 2022.
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"here you can see what you can get with the Tensor G2"......in terms of gaming, sure.
but is that the be-all and end-all of what the potential of SoC has and can be? Can it not be used better and more efficiently in other ways better than the ones that are superior in gaming and FPS? I'm pretty sure Google's even stated that their chip is more tailored towards "A.I. powered abilities" and algorithms. And, again, I question how many people would be getting Pixel 7 Pro with gaming as their main focus and reason....
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but, honestly, how many people are getting the Pixel 7 Pro for gaming....?
this kinda just shows how the tensor 2 chip is for gaming environment....not a.i. or software fluidity, right?
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I couldn't care less about gaming on my phone