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my g flex 2 stock unrooted geekbench is...

Way high. Anyone having issues is not making the right yes no questions about LGs location tracing service and the stupid McAfee bloatware install. I just owned pretty much everything with my scores. No need root.
No need disable cores.
SnapDragon 810 is fine. Users are stupid as usual.

Antutu is scoring over what iphone 6 should too... Over 47000 something. You have to remember unless you root and tweak this phone it is a dialed down snapdragon 810. You have to bring it back to full speed to get full speed benchmarks that would match and beat a galaxy s6. For whatever reason LG did that, it definitely does make it slower out of the box than the s6 in benchmarks. But after you de-crap your unrooted version. It runs plenty fast and not laggy.

optimatic said:
Antutu is scoring over what iphone 6 should too... Over 47000 something. You have to remember unless you root and tweak this phone it is a dialed down snapdragon 810. You have to bring it back to full speed to get full speed benchmarks that would match and beat a galaxy s6. For whatever reason LG did that, it definitely does make it slower out of the box than the s6 in benchmarks. But after you de-crap your unrooted version. It runs plenty fast and not laggy.
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The SD810 should be getting scores above 50,000 on Antutu and as for mopping the floors with everything the GS6 scores around 69,000. The 810 would score well over what my current benchmarks are, which is around 52,000 if there weren't heating issues.

If I let the cpu cool down to 20C I can get an antutu score of 58,000. I'm going to see if I can add a copper shim and thermal compound. It really made a big difference when I did that with my old galaxy nexus.

DIY manual PLZ!!!

probaina said:
If I let the cpu cool down to 20C I can get an antutu score of 58,000. I'm going to see if I can add a copper shim and thermal compound. It really made a big difference when I did that with my old galaxy nexus.
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The problem is when you run it a second or third time you get a score that's comparable to galaxy s5 scores lol

guys, please.
You own Snapdragon 810, 64-bit TOP Qualcomm processor. It's perfect with his on-paper specs, so let's try to make him perfect in real.
The only thing matters is the UI lagging. Do you really meet your friends and say "Yo, dude, my phone took 58k points in Antutu?" No, you say "dude, it's fast" or not fast.
It's G Flex 2 - it's alredy curve, stylish and sexy. It points attention to itself. So is there a huge difference between 58k or 48k points in Antutu? Does this really matter, when you like your phone?
If you really need that points - go and buy that awkward, terribly looking SGS6.

I'm on this board because I like to tweak with my phone. I enjoy pushing hardware and seeing what its capable of. I didn't really buy my LG Flex 2 to show off but I'm pretty sure most of us are here because we already like our phones.

probaina said:
I'm on this board because I like to tweak with my phone. I enjoy pushing hardware and seeing what its capable of. I didn't really buy my LG Flex 2 to show off but I'm pretty sure most of us are here because we already like our phones.
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This. I love doing this stuff. Especially when a phone has such physical appeal as the Flex 2. We may have out of the box issues, but that's why we're here. To iron out those issues!
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dark.wizard said:
guys, please.
You own Snapdragon 810, 64-bit TOP Qualcomm processor. It's perfect with his on-paper specs, so let's try to make him perfect in real.
The only thing matters is the UI lagging. Do you really meet your friends and say "Yo, dude, my phone took 58k points in Antutu?" No, you say "dude, it's fast" or not fast.
It's G Flex 2 - it's alredy curve, stylish and sexy. It points attention to itself. So is there a huge difference between 58k or 48k points in Antutu? Does this really matter, when you like your phone?
If you really need that points - go and buy that awkward, terribly looking SGS6.
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I love my phone... Until it gets hot, starts going unbareably slow and I have to sit there holding the power button for 30 seconds for the phone to reboot because rebooting normally would take about 5 to 10 minutes due to throttling. The phone is gorgeous but runs far from it. "We" are looking for ways to push it so it doesn't have these problem. Going with the mentality that "oh it's qualcomms best so it's amazing" mentality is ignorant. No offense but it is :/... Until issue are fixed with it the 808 and 805 run better because of speed and reliability (less lag) I am also a member of XDA to push my device and make it better. So no I'm not happy with this half baked chip until we come up with a way to fully bring out it's potential and share it with the community.

That is really odd because somehow I'm not experiencing lag. No matter how hard I push my phone it never seems to lag. I have the AT&T version of this phone. Could it be possible that somehow the AT&T version is different? From what I've been reading I haven't heard any one with the AT&T version complain about lag. Even when I try to push my phone hard I never see it go past 37C. If I run benchmarks for a long time like Antutu four times in a row the highest I've seen is 47C and even then my phone doesn't lag at all. So I'm wondering what's different on the phones with users that experiencing that much lag.

They may have throttled down the A57s to 1.5ghz. They've been doing that with them to try to fix the heat issues

In my AT&T model my A57 cores run at 2ghz but at around 40c it disables two cores and drops them to 1.55ghz.

The att version comes with 3 gigs of ram instead of 2

Yes but that shouldn't cause such a dramatic performance difference.

Of course it can. Most people talk about they can factory reset their device and it runs smooth as butter. Sounds like the phone starts to chug when it is loaded down with user data and apps with background processes.

I guess it can depending on how much stuff is running in the background. I know on my Galaxy S4 with 2GB of ram it runs smooth with cm11 android 5.1 no matter how many things are open. Although it also doesn't have the bloatware that comes with an OEM device.

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That is really odd because somehow I'm not experiencing lag. No matter how hard I push my phone it never seems to lag. I have the AT&T version of this phone. Could it be possible that somehow the AT&T version is different? From what I've been reading I haven't heard any one with the AT&T version complain about lag. Even when I try to push my phone hard I never see it go past 37C. If I run benchmarks for a long time like Antutu four times in a row the highest I've seen is 47C and even then my phone doesn't lag at all. So I'm wondering what's different on the phones with users that experiencing that much lag.
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I have EU version and I have no lag as well with v10e. Phone runs around 40C when gaming or browsing. There is some delay when multitasking, but no significant lag.

A bit underwhelmed

I'm not sure I understand the initial media plaudits from yesterday's unveiling.
With the latest flagship phones so far released or announced, I feel this is very much a step backwards from the competition (though, rather a smaller step forward than everyone else)
Realistically, this is a most minor iteration. We have the obligatory upgrade to the latest Qualcomm flagship SoC, then..?
We have more screen real estate, though at the expense of the notch and what, initially, appears to be a relatively minor upgrade to the camera, when compared to everyone else.
Aesthetically, I personally think, this is by far the best looking OnePlus device and it's really on a par with the competition here. I don't have an issue with the look of the notch, though having never used a phone with a notch, I may well hate it in use.
Elsewhere, it seems to lag behind. Of all the competition, i.e. those with the Snapdragon 845, OnePlus seems to be the least innovative in its use. Nowhere do they advertise use of its AI / ML capabilities. I'm not suggesting they go down the Asus route and call everything AI, but at least show your making use of it.
I appreciate that most 'AI' features are mostly marketing nonsense, but some of it appears very useful. We are seeing phones with translation apps using AI, rather than connecting to the web. We're seeing phones use AI to learn how people use the phone, and continually change how they manage apps memory and power usage to improve both performance and battery life.
OnePlus have not made any claims towards anything like this, so if they are doing these types of things, why keep quiet.
This 'season' most of the innovation has been centred on the use of AI with the camera and so far we've seen some very amazing results from that. The big hitter being the Huawei P20 pro, though an honorable mention goes to the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S also, especially considering it's budget flagship price (very much in the OnePlus 6 range).
OnePlus have always lagged behind in the camera department. It seems one of its big sacrifices in order to keep the prices so low. Last year's 5T, the first OnePlus with a dual lens arrangement, was routinely savaged by critics and considered on par with the average mid range phones. So here is where many considered it needed to vastly improve.
Initial impressions do seem to suggest that great improvements have been made. However, it seems like they've really only arrived at the point other flagships were at last year. Considering the huge leap forward AI has taken in-phone photography this year, it seems that OnePlus still have a lot of work to do in order to catch up with the rest and, this year, still seem just as far behind.
Hardware wise, mobile technology is now very mature, so we're only ever, mostly, seeing small iterative improvements, so phone manufacturers can only offer iterative updates, from a hardware perspective. And this is what we've come to see over the last few years.
This year the majority of mobile innovation, on flagship models more so, has come through the use of AI, something OnePlus seems to have strangely overlooked with this latest release.
This year, this iteration feels like something I'd expect from a top end, mid range phone, not from something that used to sell itself as a flagship killer.
With some serious hard work from the OnePlus software team, much AI innovation seen elsewhere could be rolled out to the OnePlus 6 in the future, which would see it much more competitive in the flagship phone sector. Though, I imagine they'll wait until the 6T to implement such changes, which may give the competition too much of a head start.
I'm currently on my third OnePlus device but if I do decide to upgrade this year, I doubt I'll be spending my money on the OnePlus 6. I feel it's time for a change, Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S anyone?
Though if by some miracle I actually win the xda competition, I'll be happy to keep the phone for the foreseeable future

I think I'll wait to see what the Xiaomi Mi7/8 will bring

That's one way of looking at it.
I think it's a fine phone compared to the Galaxy S9+ which costs approx. €250,- more.
Yes, the Samsung has a higher screenresolution, probably a better camera and a slightly higher capacity battery, but I don't want to spend that extra money on that and get a lot of bloatware in the process.
Since I'm currently still using a Oneplus One, the 6 is awesome compared to that...

Was looking forward to the oneplus 6.
I was thinking to upgrade to either a Mi Mix 2s or OP6. But I don't see what the OP6 offers, besides non-IP rated waterproofing over the Mi Mix 2s.
Same innards.
Same price
Ugly notch
Better blacks?
Arguably worse camera on paper
No wireless charging.
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
Disappointed

Compared to the S9 and £9+, yes it is a very fine phone and probably runs it very close.
Samsung was also seen this 'season' to only come to the table with an uninspired iterative update. I think that they've suffered in being one of the first this year to roll out the release and have been caught lagging by some of the other manufacturers that came later.
Last year the S8+ was considered to have one of the best cameras in a smart phone. This year, although the S9+ camera has improved, it is only a minor improvement. Huawei and Xiaomi through heavy use of AI, have made huge leaps forward compared to last year, probably equivalent to 5 years worth of normal iterative upgrades. They have also both brought some other, worthwhile, uses of AI with their latest phones to further push themselves ahead of the competition.
OnePlus originally made 2 big sacrifices in order to keep costs low. These were LCD screens and cameras that would be typically found on mid range phones. However they were pretty much alone in the budget flagship market back then and so this wasn't seen as a big issue. With the arrival of some competition they've had to adjust accordingly.
Last year OnePlus came with a fairly large price increase, which allowed them to switch to AMOLED screens, this year another price increase sees them moving to premium camera modules expected on flagship phones.
In terms of where OnePlus was with the One and even where they were last year, yes this is a great phone and a good improvement. But considering some of the innovations some of the competition has brought this year, they have lagged behind. I no longer believe they are the first choice for those looking at the budget flagship market. Xiaomi would appear to have taken on that title.
If Xiaomi would embrace the custom ROM community the same way OnePlus have, OnePlus could find themselves losing some loyal customers.

Firipu said:
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
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Only once you've got passed Xiaomi's ridiculous 360 hour bootloader unlock shenanigans.

The OP6 is a compelling candidate because of good mfg support for bootloader unlock without voiding warranty, lots of dev support for root etc., 3.5mm audio jack, now packaged with water resistance, at a lower price given the top processor/RAM specs.
Camera and display of OP6 are apparently not the tip-top of the field, but in the thin upper range where discerning the minor differences between competitors is splitting hairs IMO.
AI is a flaky gimmick that causes more problems than it solves in all phones in 2018, IMO. Same goes for voice assistants and most of the other bells and whistles. I'm going to shut off all that on any phone I get. K.I.S.S.
Watching now for more to come on OP6... extensive reviews, puddle-dunking, bootloader unlock, TWRP, root, clip cases, audio quality impressions (3.5mm output), initial OS "bug" fixes...

Robbo.5000 said:
I'm not sure I understand the initial media plaudits from yesterday's unveiling.
With the latest flagship phones so far released or announced, I feel this is very much a step backwards from the competition (though, rather a smaller step forward than everyone else)
Realistically, this is a most minor iteration. We have the obligatory upgrade to the latest Qualcomm flagship SoC, then..?
We have more screen real estate, though at the expense of the notch and what, initially, appears to be a relatively minor upgrade to the camera, when compared to everyone else.
Aesthetically, I personally think, this is by far the best looking OnePlus device and it's really on a par with the competition here. I don't have an issue with the look of the notch, though having never used a phone with a notch, I may well hate it in use.
Elsewhere, it seems to lag behind. Of all the competition, i.e. those with the Snapdragon 845, OnePlus seems to be the least innovative in its use. Nowhere do they advertise use of its AI / ML capabilities. I'm not suggesting they go down the Asus route and call everything AI, but at least show your making use of it.
I appreciate that most 'AI' features are mostly marketing nonsense, but some of it appears very useful. We are seeing phones with translation apps using AI, rather than connecting to the web. We're seeing phones use AI to learn how people use the phone, and continually change how they manage apps memory and power usage to improve both performance and battery life.
OnePlus have not made any claims towards anything like this, so if they are doing these types of things, why keep quiet.
This 'season' most of the innovation has been centred on the use of AI with the camera and so far we've seen some very amazing results from that. The big hitter being the Huawei P20 pro, though an honorable mention goes to the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S also, especially considering it's budget flagship price (very much in the OnePlus 6 range).
OnePlus have always lagged behind in the camera department. It seems one of its big sacrifices in order to keep the prices so low. Last year's 5T, the first OnePlus with a dual lens arrangement, was routinely savaged by critics and considered on par with the average mid range phones. So here is where many considered it needed to vastly improve.
Initial impressions do seem to suggest that great improvements have been made. However, it seems like they've really only arrived at the point other flagships were at last year. Considering the huge leap forward AI has taken in-phone photography this year, it seems that OnePlus still have a lot of work to do in order to catch up with the rest and, this year, still seem just as far behind.
Hardware wise, mobile technology is now very mature, so we're only ever, mostly, seeing small iterative improvements, so phone manufacturers can only offer iterative updates, from a hardware perspective. And this is what we've come to see over the last few years.
This year the majority of mobile innovation, on flagship models more so, has come through the use of AI, something OnePlus seems to have strangely overlooked with this latest release.
This year, this iteration feels like something I'd expect from a top end, mid range phone, not from something that used to sell itself as a flagship killer.
With some serious hard work from the OnePlus software team, much AI innovation seen elsewhere could be rolled out to the OnePlus 6 in the future, which would see it much more competitive in the flagship phone sector. Though, I imagine they'll wait until the 6T to implement such changes, which may give the competition too much of a head start.
I'm currently on my third OnePlus device but if I do decide to upgrade this year, I doubt I'll be spending my money on the OnePlus 6. I feel it's time for a change, Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S anyone?
Though if by some miracle I actually win the xda competition, I'll be happy to keep the phone for the foreseeable future
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I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.

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I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.
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What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?

SlyUK said:
What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?
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Maybe wireless charging..but I don't really know.

SlyUK said:
What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?
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Maybe better battery, 3D Face unlock, fingerprint sensor under display

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Maybe better battery, 3D Face unlock, fingerprint sensor under display
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The only realistic item you listed is the battery which I 100% agree at least by a few hundred Mah.
The fingerprint sensor under the display isn't ready yet. Samsung has been trying to get this tech for their galaxy phones buts its just not there.
Huawei has a 2k device that has it and all the reviews states its not good.

They definitely could have done something special to make more of a splash but i think this rounds they did it with design.
where they fall short for me is :
1) Camera
2) Display
3) USB standard.
4) Battery
1) i think they should have done a bit more with the cameras on paper like larger pixels maybe dualpixel AF i think the 16 MP should have matched last years pixel 2 specs but with 16 MP then for the 20MP fo a wider angle monocrom so a max of LG / huawei. But i wait on official review to see if the current setup works well
2) Display i think OP should go to QHD its about time but leave the resolution at 1080p via software like what sony does but nit picking again as one plus screens are not bad its a Samsung panel so. Just they could add a AOD option via software.
3)The main let down for me why is the USB C port still usb 2.0 standard every one else uses usb 3.0 or 3.1 to allow for faster file transfers. For a lunch focused on speed this is the major let down smh the rest i was being nit picky but the usb really.
4) one plus should really try to get in the 4000 mah and 3600 mah battery capacity ranges especially since they have dash charge and goodish battery life

hunhool said:
I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.
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I bought and returned a View 10 and P20 (non-pro) and neither would play my favorite game Hill Climb Racing 2. Major stutters so bad I couldn't even play. The P20 purchase was 9 weeks after the View. I was hoping it was a fluke deal. I did try a few other games that played well but I've also seen it mentioned that the 970 has GPU issues. I held off on the Mix 2s until the curtain was pulled back for the OP6 but I'm also on the fence. Think I'll order the 6 and if not wowed just return it and get the 2s.

Glass back on the 6
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Maybe wireless charging..but I don't really know.
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Now that theyve swapped from metal to glass backing, i think you are correct.
I find it weird that it wasnt included in the 6 though.

Robbo.5000 said:
Compared to the S9 and £9+, yes it is a very fine phone and probably runs it very close.
Samsung was also seen this 'season' to only come to the table with an uninspired iterative update. I think that they've suffered in being one of the first this year to roll out the release and have been caught lagging by some of the other manufacturers that came later.
Last year the S8+ was considered to have one of the best cameras in a smart phone. This year, although the S9+ camera has improved, it is only a minor improvement. Huawei and Xiaomi through heavy use of AI, have made huge leaps forward compared to last year, probably equivalent to 5 years worth of normal iterative upgrades. They have also both brought some other, worthwhile, uses of AI with their latest phones to further push themselves ahead of the competition.
OnePlus originally made 2 big sacrifices in order to keep costs low. These were LCD screens and cameras that would be typically found on mid range phones. However they were pretty much alone in the budget flagship market back then and so this wasn't seen as a big issue. With the arrival of some competition they've had to adjust accordingly.
Last year OnePlus came with a fairly large price increase, which allowed them to switch to AMOLED screens, this year another price increase sees them moving to premium camera modules expected on flagship phones.
In terms of where OnePlus was with the One and even where they were last year, yes this is a great phone and a good improvement. But considering some of the innovations some of the competition has brought this year, they have lagged behind. I no longer believe they are the first choice for those looking at the budget flagship market. Xiaomi would appear to have taken on that title.
If Xiaomi would embrace the custom ROM community the same way OnePlus have, OnePlus could find themselves losing some loyal customers.
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Well no offence, but the AI in mobiles at this point of time is a bit overrated... We have been seeing phones detect scenes and boost colors based on the scene long before companies started marketing it as AI (Coming from Honor View 10 User) , predictive app mamagement has also been a thing for a long time now.... Sure AI helps do it better... But does it really have to be marketed so much.. In reality my phone with AI doesnt feel as smooth as my friends Oneplus 5t, so im willing to bet oneplus 6 will be even smoother...
Since no one has posted any real camera samples and reviews as of now... I cant say much about it...
Onething that i did notice using the View 10 is the battery life. Its great.. Maybe thanks to the NPU, lets see if oneplus is doing something similar without making a fuss about it...
Overall it looks to be a very 2018 phone with all features te current flagships have - the AI advertising

Firipu said:
Was looking forward to the oneplus 6.
I was thinking to upgrade to either a Mi Mix 2s or OP6. But I don't see what the OP6 offers, besides non-IP rated waterproofing over the Mi Mix 2s.
Same innards.
Same price
Ugly notch
Better blacks?
Arguably worse camera on paper
No wireless charging.
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
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Mi mix 2s disadvantages are ,very poor development & community...
If you like to modify your phone ..rooting , trying custom kernels , custom ROMs...etc.. then definitely OP6...
Otherwise Mix2s ..

I'm surprised by some of these comments. You're all asking for features that would clearly bump the price way up? I think you have unrealistic expectations - if you want it to be a s9, buy an s9 lol!
4k panel? Why? Your eyes can't see it, worse battery and more expensive.
The wireless charging, yes it's interesting, but doesn't matter at all to me. It's slower than with wires and I can't play on my phone whilst charging.
The camera is probably the only Biggie for me. I really hope it's low light shots are at least usable. I'm coming from my nexus 6P and this camera has served me very well - I hope the OnePlus 6 is better.
As for other things like the notch - I mean come on guys, if you disable it you can't even see it. With it there you get more screen size.
I think for the price it's a fantastic phone, and the software is a great experience compared to many other cheap alternatives!

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Mi mix 2s disadvantages are ,very poor development & community...
If you like to modify your phone ..rooting , trying custom kernels , custom ROMs...etc.. then definitely OP6...
Otherwise Mix2s ..
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Not disagreeing, but I have a Mix 2 and redmi note 4. They both have a very active dev community. Really can't complain. Not as amazing as e.g. Nexus devices, but still very good imo. Can't comment on Oneplus dev community though.
And the 2s is a treble device.

wireless charging will always be asked for but hardly be undestood by me.
It's utterly slow compared to any charging solution on market.
Then you go on the charge for a day... it's somewhat convenient, but takes some more room in the phone internals, and on your desk with the charger.
The glass back is more for the awesome mobile network speeds and wifi reception.
As much as I hate glass for shattering, my experience always shown that metal chassis results in poor reception.
Well that's about it. I'm curiously waiting for the oneplus6 to arrive. It was a long time ago with the OnePlus One when I last saw how OnePlus fares...
I'm sure I'm gonna have the U12+ too as well this year, but I needed to check another qualcom rocketed device this year (no kirin or exynos for dev purposes on my end)

Question Excessive overheating

Since turning it on for the first time I often notice overheating in the upper area under the cameras. It does this very often when it is empty or when I use heavy apps like Call of Duty mobile .. has anyone noticed something similar? It seems absurd to me that such a phone will overheat like this

Sorry to hear that your phone is overheating.
Except when installing the phone the first time, i did not have any problems with it heating up. I dont use have apps so can't help you with that ( most heavy app i use is prob Clash of clans haha)

Unfortunately, that is the 888. Only real solution is to decrease the settings on "heavy" games and take breaks.

I have the same issue. My sister and cousin have the phone also but neither is experiencing it. I don't play games or watch videos on the phone. I only use it for calls, messaging, and online shopping so there is no reason for it to happen. I called to get a replacement. Hopefully the new device will not have the same issue.

Oh perfect! So if I replace I resolve?

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I don't know how anybody would expect this very compact phone to not get hot with intensive tasks. It shouldn't get hot with light usage, though. Also try using Samsung browser instead of chrome if it gets hot when browsing.

I noticed mine getting awful hot the other day while using Android Auto on my car stereo with it in my pocket in my shirt, got so hot I had to take my phone out my pocket and put it in my cup holder. I noticed it getting hot also while watching Youtube videos at the house also, it wasn't in my pocket against my body though so it wasnt really that big a deal! LOL!

twistedumbrella said:
Unfortunately, that is the 888. Only real solution is to decrease the settings on "heavy" games and take breaks.
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This is correct. Let's just be happy Samsung didn't put the SD888+ in the phone. The SD888 already had thermal problems. Can only imagine the SD888 being hotter from being overclocked.

Its not overheating, its getting hot. Android OS will shut down and give a warning when overheating. If your not using a case you will notice a lot more than a previous phone with a case installed. Its a CPU and GPU that creates heat. Its normal to get hot during high intensive cpu/gpu use and or when charging. It also tends to get hot when setting up for 1st time and transferring data from an old device.

JayRolla said:
Its not overheating, its getting hot. Android OS will shut down and give a warning when overheating. If your not using a case you will notice a lot more than a previous phone with a case installed. Its a CPU and GPU that creates heat. Its normal to get hot during high intensive cpu/gpu use and or when charging. It also tends to get hot when setting up for 1st time and transferring data from an old device.
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I think you may have missed the point trying to correct the wording. The 888 gets significantly hotter than even the previous 865+ performing the same tasks. The issue is that what used to be just a bit warm is now hot and one warm day will easily push that into overheating. The performance increase may not justify the difference, which is where a lot of people will have an issue.

twistedumbrella said:
I think you may have missed the point trying to correct the wording. The 888 gets significantly hotter than even the previous 865+ performing the same tasks. The issue is that what used to be just a bit warm is now hot and one warm day will easily push that into overheating. The performance increase may not justify the difference, which is where a lot of people will have an issue.
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Ive been using mine in 90* weather gaming, videos, etc... and have had the same warm/hot feeling I got with my s10+. I have yet to have overheating. I didnt see anyone mention the OS shutting down due to regular use and overheating but I could be mistaken. Being that I have been overclocking PC's, phones for 20 years the heat I am getting from my Flip 3 seems pretty normal.

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Ive been using mine in 90* weather gaming, videos, etc... and have had the same warm/hot feeling I got with my s10+. I have yet to have overheating. I didnt see anyone mention the OS shutting down due to regular use and overheating but I could be mistaken. Being that I have been overclocking PC's, phones for 20 years the heat I am getting from my Flip 3 seems pretty normal.
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I understand the point you are trying to make, but Android has not existed for 20 years. Anything before the G1 is irrelevant. That said, you also have to discard anything you used that wasn't Snapdragon, since Qualcomm and Mali (or others) are simply not the same thing.
Now that you are looking at a much less impressive list of past devices, you have to consider that you aren't actually overclocking and the 888 is currently capped. You also have to consider that the 888 does perform much more efficiently, so it may even seem cooler than an S10+ when doing the same basic tasks. After all, the 855 was known for getting hot and is now two generations back in terms of performance. When you notice the heat is when you run things the S10+ would struggle to handle.
The problem I was actually pointing out was comparing the 865+ and 888. The 865+ clocks higher than the 888, but the 888 runs significantly hotter. Running the same games on an 865+ and an 888 will yield higher temperature from the 888, but only marginal performance improvement. The question is what happens when you try to run the 888 at its full capabilities?

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I understand the point you are trying to make, but Android has not existed for 20 years. Anything before the G1 is irrelevant. That said, you also have to discard anything you used that wasn't Snapdragon, since Qualcomm and Mali (or others) are simply not the same thing.
Now that you are looking at a much less impressive list of past devices, you have to consider that you aren't actually overclocking and the 888 is currently capped. You also have to consider that the 888 does perform much more efficiently, so it may even seem cooler than an S10+ when doing the same basic tasks. After all, the 855 was known for getting hot and is now two generations back in terms of performance. When you notice the heat is when you run things the S10+ would struggle to handle.
The problem I was actually pointing out was comparing the 865+ and 888. The 865+ clocks higher than the 888, but the 888 runs significantly hotter. Running the same games on an 865+ and an 888 will yield higher temperature from the 888, but only marginal performance improvement. The question is what happens when you try to run the 888 at its full capabilities?
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Again its hot but NOT overheating. Anyways where I messed up in replying here is I thought I was in the Fold thread and NOT Flip. LOL. The Fold with its bigger chassis probably handles the heat a lot better. My daughter has the Flip and has not mentioned that it gets hot, but I now want to play with it.
And a side note I have been doing mobile device repair since the iphone was released and have worked on every snapdragon phone pretty much ever made.

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Again its hot but NOT overheating. Anyways where I messed up in replying here is I thought I was in the Fold thread and NOT Flip. LOL. The Fold with its bigger chassis probably handles the heat a lot better. My daughter has the Flip and has not mentioned that it gets hot, but I now want to play with it.
And a side note I have been doing mobile device repair since the iphone was released and have worked on every snapdragon phone pretty much ever made.
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I never said it was overheating, either. I said it has a much higher potential to overheat and environmental temperature will have a greater impact on it.
I've also been repairing phones since long before the iPhone, so I apologize that those credentials don't have more weight.
In all honesty, this 888 is much tamer than some. Take a look at the ROG Phone 5. You can melt an igloo running YouTube with that.

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In all honesty, this 888 is much tamer than some. Take a look at the ROG Phone 5. You can melt an igloo running YouTube with that.
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Anyone had the LG G Flex 2 with the 810? That thing got hot just being on the homescreen.
The Flip3 is nowhere near that and a non-issue heat wise for me. Especially now that I have the strap case where I don't notice it at all.

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Anyone had the LG G Flex 2 with the 810? That thing got hot just being on the homescreen.
The Flip3 is nowhere near that and a non-issue heat wise for me. Especially now that I have the strap case where I don't notice it at all.
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I honestly think Samsung did some behind the scenes limitations on it. The ROG Phone 5 and Z Flip 3 are both the 888, but there is a much larger performance gap than just a few minor software optimizations.

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I honestly think Samsung did some behind the scenes limitations on it. The ROG Phone 5 and Z Flip 3 are both the 888, but there is a much larger performance gap than just a few minor software optimizations.
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Yes samsung limit big core and prime core even when gaming pubg , wild rift , mobile legend. I jist finish an hour game pubg and see the result of big core and prime core even when running demanding game. Samsung does not fully utilize big and prime core. Most of its task use small core. Big and prime deep sleep very deep. Gpu will not run over 500mhz

I have the same issue when using Android Auto with it. Overheats to the point that music starts stuttering and then AA just shuts off completely. T-Mobile is sending me a replacement but the lady at the store said her friend had the exact same issue. I don't game or do anything that would require the SD888 to go nuts.

i got mine to overheat after a long video call with usb power on a somewhat hot day, had to close camera and give it a sec to cool down.
honestly its not terrible, but it does heat up more than regular phones. during regular use its fine imo

Development [GS101|GS201] Google Tensor G1 and G2 In-Depth

Hello everyone,
This thread will be used as a hub where I share some discoveries/observations which I stumbled upon mostly during working on my kernel projects.
I´ll clone the same thread over to the Pixel 7 forum as well. So without much further ado let´s just dive right into it.
A year ago everyone was excited for the Google SoC called Tensor 1 called GS101. One year later there is Tensor 2 called GS201.
I suggest to read about the differences, updated modem, ISP, TPU and GPU in various tech related articles.
Here´s a table so everyone gets up to speed on cores used, max freqs and other details:
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But how does that translate on the devices?
There were quite a few rumors before the actual release of the Tensor 2 SoC being manufactured on 4nm Samsung node instead of 5nm. However that was just wild speculation and unfortunately turned out to be not accurate. Tensor G2 is still manufactured in the 5nm process as confirmed by Google. This was quite a negative surprise to myself, as I don´t have good experiences from SD888 that´s also being manufactured in Samsung 5nm node and is quite a hot chip. While the switch to Samsung 4nm node, wasn´t all that great either (check sd8 gen1 on samsung 4nm vs sd8+ gen1 on tsmc 4nm) it would still have been an improvement.
While I was very excited for the Tensor G1 when the Pixel 6 devices launched, that excitement ebbed down the work I worked on the Pixel 6 series. The more I learned about the source, the more I stumbled upon Exynos driver over exynos driver, some are just left exactly like on Exynos device, some were "re-branded" by Google. Some Google did customize, but most of the drivers are just very much Exynos.
So all in all the following excerpt from Andrei Frumusanu´s article here sums it up pretty fitting:
While Google doesn’t appear to want to talk about it, the chip very clearly has provenance as a collaboration between Google and Samsung, and has a large amount of its roots in Samsung Exynos SoC architectures.
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The same is true for the Tensor 2, despite minor upgrades there. As I learned over the time, Tensor shares a lot of Exynos characteristics, one of those is performance vs thermals as hinted by in the linked Anandtech article. So let´s just jump into that first topic I want to cover.
I will cover more topics, those will also be probably interconnected to each other, but we have to start somewhere.
Thermals, Thermal Ceiling, Exynos Roots and Maximal Performance
To start things of: Thermals is a term that actually sums up a few mechanisms. Lets split this into two main areas.
The thermal ceiling (let´s call it that) that´s being implemented in the kernel, as the maximal temperature the SoC is allowed to be operated at.
The thermal-hal uses combined sensors, also virtual sensor, and restricts different subsystems, based on the temperature of those sensor. Those can be called skin temps, shell-temps, battery temperature, modem temperature etc.
First let´s explore the thermal ceiling on the two SoCs:
GS101 on Pixel 6 devices is allowed to be operated at 90°C. GS 201 on Pixel 7 devices raised the thermal ceiling by 10°C to 100°C.
If changes to the internal design allowed them to raise this, without further increasing heatup of the device, or if they just applied changes to the thermal-hal to better keep this in check I don´t know at this moment.
Let´s get back to the Exynos characterstics. I talked to a few other developers I met along that way with Exynos "experience". Exynos SoCs reach the thermal ceiling extremely quickly, as I learned. This means, the SoC can´t keep its max CPU freqs for more than a few seconds without touching the thermal ceiling and getting restricted. This is in a way also the case for other SoCs, but Exynos is very extreme in this regard. But it´s just the characteristics of the SoC, like previously mentioned.
That means in turn: The thermal ceiling is setting the maximal performance allowed, to a great extent. If the thermal ceiling is raised, the maximum performance can be held longer.
Here´s a demonstration of this:
Pixel 6 Pro in its default configuration running at 90°C temp ceiling:
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Pixel 6 Pro with temperature ceiling raised to 100°C, instead of 90°C running at Pixel 7 Pro clocks
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That´s the Pixel 7 Pro, with the default configuration of 100°C
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Now what´s interesting, the big cores get the hottest at the quickest rate. Once the ceiling is reached, the max performance drops, as maximal performance will be restricted by restrict max cpu freqs.
That´s the case after a few seconds on both SoCs, in typcial Exynos fashion.
Let´s make the next connection:
Although I´m not necessarily a friend of benchmark apps, how does that change the results of a CPU oriented benchmark like Geekbench you might ask yourself. There are other benchmarks, but I want to keep this simple for now.
The answer is: The Pixel 6 Pro with GS101 gets pretty close to the results of the Pixel 7 Pro with GS201.
So for comparisons sake:
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On the left Pixel 6 Pro in its default configuration running at 90°C temp ceiling.
On the right Pixel 6 Pro with temperature ceiling raised to 100°C, instead of 90°C running at Pixel 7 Pro clocks.
The kernel used was the same, no changes to anything that could impact performance.
The left screenshot above was taken from the Pixel 7 Pro review from XDA, while the right one was taken on my Pixel 7 Pro running my kernel.
Please don´t start benchmark contests now, It´s just for comparisons sake.
It makes sense for single-core to be less impacted, as single core benchmarks don´t put as much thermal pressure on the SoC -> not touching the thermal ceiling as much and therefore no cutback are applied.
Geekbench applies a series of short benchmarks to the device. Usually not longer than 3-8 seconds, which is ideal for a SoC like the Tensor. Short bursts with max performance, so it can run "nearly" without touching the thermal ceiling.
If a benchmark is structured differently, like the CPU stress test you will see QCOM SoCs holding their max-freqs for minutes, instead of seconds.
Well that´s the first part. More to come. I hope everyone enjoyed this little writeup so far.
I wish everyone a nice evening.

Thermal Ceiling/Maximal Performance - A comparison between QCOM Snapdragon and Tensor
Now you might ask yourself, how does QCOM´s Snapdragon behave in the little test we conducted above.
You can find the answer below.
For this a Zenfone 9 with the Snapdragon 8 + Gen 1 is used.
Pixel 6 Pro in its default configuration running at 90°C temp ceiling:
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Pixel 7 Pro, with the default configuration of 100°C:
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Asus Zenfone 9, with the default configuration of 110°C temp ceiling:
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As you can see the Zenfone 9 with SD 8+ Gen 1 can hold the max-freqs for minutes. It doesn´t touch the thermal ceiling when running under max load for a minute, while Tensor immediately scratches the ceiling.
I´m not a SoC expert and I think only engineers with insider knowledge know the exact reason why Exynos based SoCs behave that way. They just seem to work totally different in that regard.
Another point is, since the SoCs are different we can´t compare the temperatures one to one. There´s no way for me to know the exact placement of the temperature sensors, all I can say for sure is the SD 8+ Gen 1, does not touch the thermal ceiling in this test and there seems to be a lot of headway after one minute of maxed out CPU.
In the end the result will be the same. After a while the device will heat up and the thermal-hal will throttle the ZF9 back as well, as with only passive cooling that´s inevitable.

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Glad to have same phone as you good work

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I hope everyone enjoyed this little writeup so far.
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I am! This is very cool; thanks for doing this! Most of us (myself included) don't have the knowledge to do (or interest in doing) this ourselves, but enjoy learning more. Thank you for all that you do, both this writeup and your kernel (which I've used since the Pixel 3 days).

@Freak07 Interested in your thoughts on this CPU 'Power Efficiency' comparison. Seems a very well thought out review, although only compares the G1 Tensor.

updated the second post, with a comparison between QCOM´s Snapdragon and Google´s Tensor

Google never intended Tensor to be a flagship SoC, it was just meant to have bursts of flagship-level performance. I haven't had any complaints about the day to day or demand performance honestly, it's been WAY smoother than my OnePlus 9 with the SD888 that almost sent me back to Apple, but I will confirm that I ran the full 15 minute test when I first got the phone and it throttled to 78% near the end.

P7 also appears to stop charging, or charge at 500ma once the battery reaches 40c, which is a concern since high drain situations are usually the time where you want to have the device plugged in.
There's also not much headroom since normal temp alone when charging with no load is around 37c.
One thing I haven't noticed is throttling, this phone gets hot and is inefficient, but I haven't experienced any throttling on any day to day use.
My S22U is ice cold when playing media and quickly becomes a dumpster fire once you load up a game. The p7p runs hot when playing media and barely loses performance during gaming. It's weird.

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The p7p runs hot when playing media and barely loses performance during gaming. It's weird.
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What media were you running out of curiosity?

EtherealRemnant said:
Google never intended Tensor to be a flagship SoC, it was just meant to have bursts of flagship-level performance. I haven't had any complaints about the day to day or demand performance honestly, it's been WAY smoother than my OnePlus 9 with the SD888 that almost sent me back to Apple, but I will confirm that I ran the full 15 minute test when I first got the phone and it throttled to 78% near the end.
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What really defines a flagship SoC?
For me tensor pretty much is a flagship SoC. Not necessarily ẃhen chasing the highest benchmark scores.
I´ll link my post from the p6 pro thread here.
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P7 also appears to stop charging, or charge at 500ma once the battery reaches 40c, which is a concern since high drain situations are usually the time where you want to have the device plugged in.
There's also not much headroom since normal temp alone when charging with no load is around 37c.
One thing I haven't noticed is throttling, this phone gets hot and is inefficient, but I haven't experienced any throttling on any day to day use.
My S22U is ice cold when playing media and quickly becomes a dumpster fire once you load up a game. The p7p runs hot when playing media and barely loses performance during gaming. It's weird.
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Charging while the device is hot is not good for battery health. Don´t charge while your device is under load as well. Both are detrimental to battery health.
Charging is done, so it usally reaches close to, but doesn´t cross 40°C if you don´t touch the phone.
I don´t have that at all. Watching streams, youtube videos the device doesn´t get hot. Maybe a bit warm, especially if I load a few apps in between, but not hot.
I don´t game much though, so I can´t comment much on this matter.
I played a bit of this game and the device didn´t get hot as well. Though I guess you can´t really call that a demanding game. Maybe it´s also optimized quite well for android.

i dont understand obsession on benchmarks for phones.
these are not PCs lol
as long as the phone does not lag or slow down when doing everything you need then its fine

Freak07 said:
What really defines a flagship SoC?
For me tensor pretty much is a flagship SoC. Not necessarily ẃhen chasing the highest benchmark scores.
I´ll link my post from the p6 pro thread here.
Charging while the device is hot is not good for battery health. Don´t charge while your device is under load as well. Both are detrimental to battery health.
Charging is done, so it usally reaches close to, but doesn´t cross 40°C if you don´t touch the phone.
I don´t have that at all. Watching streams, youtube videos the device doesn´t get hot. Maybe a bit warm, especially if I load a few apps in between, but not hot.
I don´t game much though, so I can´t comment much on this matter.
I played a bit of this game and the device didn´t get hot as well. Though I guess you can´t really call that a demanding game. Maybe it´s also optimized quite well for android.
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The Tensor is definitely meant to be upper midrange with bursty performance rather than a flagship with steady high performance. I mean Google could have gone to Samsung 4nm and chose not to while being totally aware of the peak performance issues with the first gen Tensor and even bumped the clocks so it seems to me they aren't really unhappy the position of the Tensor chip relative to everything else. It's going to be a distinctly midrange chip compared to the 2023 flagships if the rumors about the gains Qualcomm got from switching to TSMC end up panning out.

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The Tensor is definitely meant to be upper midrange with bursty performance rather than a flagship with steady high performance. I mean Google could have gone to Samsung 4nm and chose not to while being totally aware of the peak performance issues with the first gen Tensor and even bumped the clocks so it seems to me they aren't really unhappy the position of the Tensor chip relative to everything else. It's going to be a distinctly midrange chip compared to the 2023 flagships if the rumors about the gains Qualcomm got from switching to TSMC end up panning out.
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I have a theory I've mentioned before that since Google depends on Samsung for so much, you have to consider that Samsung doesn't necessarily make the best of the best available for Google to purchase at a reasonable price since Google's products effectively compete with Samsung's own, and Samsung has Google more "over the barrel" than Google does Samsung.

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I have a theory I've mentioned before that since Google depends on Samsung for so much, you have to consider that Samsung doesn't necessarily make the best of the best available for Google to purchase at a reasonable price since Google's products effectively compete with Samsung's own, and Samsung has Google more "over the barrel" than Google does Samsung.
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This is certainly possible. I also think that Google is pretty happy with Tensor overall. They have never marketed this phone as the top performing device but the performance it does have is pretty solid. Until I installed the beta, I hadn't even seen any random lag, which is amazing to me coming from the mess that was the OnePlus 9.

Thought this might be a good place to share this...
Chip chat! And not the cool ranch kind. In the fourth episode of the #MadeByGoogle podcast, our host Rachid Finge speaks with Monika Gupta, Senior Director of Product Management for Google Silicon Teams, about the Tensor G2 chip in Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro. Monika and Rachid discuss Google’s AI first approach, how Tensor got its name, its role in our favourite speech and camera features, and why classical benchmarks for chips don’t always tell the whole story.
Episode 04 – Chip Chat
Chip chat! And not the cool ranch kind. In the fourth episode of the #MadeByGoogle podcast, our host Rachid Finge speaks with Monika Gupta, Senior Director of Product Management for Google Silicon Teams, about the Tensor G2 chip in Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro. Monika and Rachid discuss Google’s AI...
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This thread still alive/relevant? 'Cause I've been looking for information on how to access the TPU on the Tensor chip and didn't find anything
My dream is to be able some day to run LLaMA on Tensor's TPU via ggml/llama.cpp - but for that you'd need to know how to access the TPU directly and that doesn't seem to be possible in any way... or may be I missed something?

Question What do you think about the Tegra 2 chip in this phone?

I've seen that it's relatively low powered compared to the competition, but I also own the iPhone 14 pro Max which has the must powerful mobile chip known to man and my findings are that it feels just as fast, possibly faster sometimes due to snappier animations, at least it seems that way to me personally.
When comparing opening times for graphic intensive games and such, of course the iPhone wins but in day to day use, it feels like commonly used apps open as fast or faster and are generally really smooth, definitely not underpowered.
I haven't really used the cameras too much but it does look like the chip does a great job at processing the photos from the average camera hardware.
I like the autotranslate stuff that it can do.
What are your thoughts and findings?
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Additionally, off topic kinda, as much as apple use super high quality components for ram, having double ram in this phone than the iPhone is very noticeable too! No app reload problems whatsoever on this! They're rare in the iPhone but they happen and often at annoying times.
Additionally (2), iPhone is awesome but the Pixel is winning meo ver in many ways.

It's not Tegra, it's Tensor.
I do agree with your performance rundown though. Coming from a OnePlus 9 with a processor that's superior on paper, I have been quite happy with the Pixel 7 Pro, as it has none of the random lags and frame rate drops that plagued the OnePlus 9. The cameras are MUCH better as well.
Don't get me started on how awful the OnePlus 9 was with RAM management. Sometimes I couldn't even log in to sites because I would switch apps to get my 2FA code and the web page would reload. Thankfully, none of that here. In fact I'm rather amazed sometimes when I leave an app and come back 12 hours later and it's still running despite me doing a ton of stuff inbetween.

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It's not Tegra, it's Tensor.
I do agree with your performance rundown though. Coming from a OnePlus 9 with a processor that's superior on paper, I have been quite happy with the Pixel 7 Pro, as it has none of the random lags and frame rate drops that plagued the OnePlus 9. The cameras are MUCH better as well.
Don't get me started on how awful the OnePlus 9 was with RAM management. Sometimes I couldn't even log in to sites because I would switch apps to get my 2FA code and the web page would reload. Thankfully, none of that here. In fact I'm rather amazed sometimes when I leave an app and come back 12 hours later and it's still running despite me doing a ton of stuff inbetween.
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RAM management is what I hated the most about the OP9 Pro. Closing a bunch of background stuff to give the illusion of efficiency and battery life drove me crazy.

My Pixel 5 (SD765G) always felt snappy and certainly didnt feel slower than the Oneplus 7T (SD855+) it replaced so Tensor not being top of the heap is no problem whatsoever, in the real world you just wont notice even if benchmarks make it look like a snail.

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RAM management is what I hated the most about the OP9 Pro. Closing a bunch of background stuff to give the illusion of efficiency and battery life drove me crazy.
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Oh yeah it was insanely frustrating, especially because my OnePlus 9 didn't have the most amazing battery despite the heavy RAM management!

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RAM management is what I hated the most about the OP9 Pro. Closing a bunch of background stuff to give the illusion of efficiency and battery life drove me crazy.
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It's called the iPhone philosophy. The multi-tasking of Apple phones is absolute toilet, then people bang on about the battery life that results from the aggressive background app management. Yup, but at what cost?

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My Pixel 5 (SD765G) always felt snappy and certainly didnt feel slower than the Oneplus 7T (SD855+) it replaced so Tensor not being top of the heap is no problem whatsoever, in the real world you just wont notice even if benchmarks make it look like a snail.
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It's crazy! It feels way faster than my iPhone which has the most powerful mobile chip known to man, the only reason I'm not switching over to have the pixel as my main phone is because the iPhone is linked to all my other devices like Mac and iPad.... But, dang, I'm totally won over by this device!