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Desktop Dock / charger

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Well, I wrote nice "review" in this edited post, but whatever was the reason, the xda website was "unavailable" when I click save - and now it is gone, damn!
I really don't feel like typing it all again, sorry. Here's the gist of it: IT WORKS.
"USB Cradle Dock Battery Charger For HTC Sensation" for MyTouch 4G Slide
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Price: $9.99 (incl. free shipping from Hong Kong)
Store: just do ebay search, tons of different sellers have it
Comes with standalone charger (AC 100-240V, DC 5V 1A, cable with standard microUSB plug - all specs same as HTC's original charger).
The USB cable I am using to charge it from my own charger (as seen in my photos) is cradle's own cable that's permanently attached to the back.
The charging light is one of those horribly bright blue LEDs (what happened to the nice and subtle green LEDs? It seems like they don't make them anymore ). I have already cover it with piece of black electrical tape, otherwise it would lit half of my bedroom at night...
DOCK PHOTOS
Dock - front:
Dock - right side:
Dock - left side:
Dock - top view:
Dock - rear:
Dock - bottom:
It is sold as dock for HTC Sensation, but obviously it was manufactured for ancient by now HTC Titan!
Standalone Charger: (comes with it)
(notice how twisted is the cable that it bends like this on it's own - that's why mine arrived d.o.a); below close up of the bend spot where it is broken (probably)
Although my set came with broken charger, I have tested it with my original HTC charger and cable plugged into micro-USB rear port of the dock, and it works (it is charging the phone), same as the dock's built-in USB "data" cable attached on the back. Despite seler's description on ebay, both can be used to charge our phone.
Also note that i.e. "my" seller doesn't say anything about the charger.
His description states as follows:
Package Includes:
1x USB Cradle Dock Battery Charger
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(confusing, isn't it? I was under impression that it does NOT come with charger until I emailed the seller)
And since the USB cable itself can be used for charging too, I am thinking about buying another one and using it as CAR DOCK (holder) in my car. All it needs is adding few thin rubber strips (so the phone won't rattle when driving) and maybe mounting it on my dashboard anti-slippery mat or using sometghing to prevent sliding, it would nicely compliment my wireless FM transmitter plug (I wrote about it in other thread)
My conclusion:
GOOD PRODUCT, GOOD QUALITY DOCK, EXCELLENT PRICE!
(even though my charger is d.o.a it is still good deal)
This is product image most sellers use on ebay:
(so you know what to look for, if interested)

Where did you order yours? link please

gtmaster303 said:
Where did you order yours? link please
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Ehhh lol it hasn't arrived yet and I don't know will it really fit MT4GS... I took "guesstimated" chances ordering it, same as I did with "Gold" battery, and although I did view pictures and got exact measurements and what-not - but until I have it physically connected with my phone I won't know for sure is it good (or not), so be patient I will change 1st post when it arrives.
Have you found (or use) any?

MT4GS said:
Ehhh lol it hasn't arrived yet and I don't know will it really fit MT4GS... I took "guesstimated" chances ordering it, same as I did with "Gold" battery, and although I did view pictures and got exact measurements and what-not - but until I have it physically connected with my phone I won't know for sure is it good (or not), so be patient I will change 1st post when it arrives.
Have you found (or use) any?
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Not really. I just posted on behalf of anyone that may use it too. My phone sits on my night stand charging before I go to sleep. Never really found much use for a dock.

gtmaster303 said:
My phone sits on my night stand charging before I go to sleep. Never really found much use for a dock.
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Very same here - and that's why I want a "charging dock" for my night table by my bed, before I scratch phone's protruding camera glass or before the glass scratches my night table (either one is bound to happen )
Actual "desktop docks" were needed in old times when I had to sync my phone with Outlook on PC, but since I switched to using Google's email/calendar/contacts (and now even their OS) I have no need for "desktop" part of the dock. I just want a "stand" for MT4GS

MT4GS said:
Very same here - and that's why I want a "charging dock" for my night table by my bed, before I scratch phone's protruding camera glass or before the glass scratches my night table (either one is bound to happen )
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My phone never comes in contact with any hard surface. I always put it on at least a piece of paper or something softer. When charging, it sits on top of my wallet. I take care of my phones extremely well

For all of you who don't miss your Palm Pilots sync-up but just want convenient charging, one solution is the Powermat contactless charging. For this phone, you can get the custom battery cover from TMobile for $10, and single-position charging stations are available similarly cheap from many sellers.
Here is a thread about it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1479258

Well, it arrived in just 4 days! Fastest shipping from Asia ever, I was very surprised and also unhappy, that's why no link to the seller, as explained in my "review" (first post, edited).

I know you're frustrated from losing a big in-progress posting, but can you clarify? You say you are unhappy, but you also said it works.
Also, I can't quite tell from the photos. Does the phone settle right down so some built-in USB thingy slides into the phone, or do you need to plug some USB cable into the phone after you've got it on the dock?

wjcarpenter said:
I know you're frustrated from losing a big in-progress posting, but can you clarify? You say you are unhappy, but you also said it works.
Also, I can't quite tell from the photos. Does the phone settle right down so some built-in USB thingy slides into the phone, or do you need to plug some USB cable into the phone after you've got it on the dock?
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First post updated.
Not as good as my original review that got lost, but most info is there. HTH.
Ask if you have questions or need more pics

[Q] Looking for best way to QI charge my S4

Basically, I'm looking for a way to enable my S4 to charge wirelessly and try some chargers.
I've seen some receivers online and heard that there is a backdoor for S4 that is QI enabled. What's the best way to proceed?

mrMinino said:
Basically, I'm looking for a way to enable my S4 to charge wirelessly and try some chargers.
I've seen some receivers online and heard that there is a backdoor for S4 that is QI enabled. What's the best way to proceed?
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GFLERAC...UTF8&colid=2CS6NFZ6SCG26&coliid=IDLZZUEM361JA
I have been happy with this one

chrisdfw said:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GFLERAC...UTF8&colid=2CS6NFZ6SCG26&coliid=IDLZZUEM361JA
I have been happy with this one
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Are you the only one to buy it.
I wonder why there are no reviews.
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KRAZYADROIDMASTER said:
Are you the only one to buy it.
I wonder why there are no reviews.
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I got it from here
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-...or-Samsung-Galaxy-S4-IV-i9500/1391784721.html
But I thought a Amazon seller was safer bet
Its thin and NFC works, Charges at 640ma

I highly recommend this one. It fits under the stock Samsung battery cover even with my zero lemon 3000 mah ext battery. I would go with this one (link at bottom of post) with the versa 2 charging pad over the their curve charging pad. They claim the curve 2 handle cases at thick as 5mm and the curve at 3mm. They also offer a versa 1st gen for $5 less. For a a few extra I'd go with the newer generation. I've been using mine for prob close to six months now since they released it and it performs great. There is one down fall though. My nfc doesn't work. Might just be my luck, I dunno for sure. Maybe someone else can chime in if they have this one. I don't have a need for nfc currently. I love wireless charging.
I've tried many cases with my wireless charging kit and they all work through the case. Spigen neo, bodyglove, leather flip case and one with a thick clear plastic back. Currently using a balllistic sg maxx for a few months now with no issues. This is the thickest case I've tried and I didn't think it would even work.
It really is a life save. Sometime after I got my wireless charging kit my usb port died. Not sure when though. Went to charge my phone one day in a friends car and nothing. Got home and tried again, nothing. Tried my wireless pad, starts charging right away. Even tried hooking my phone to my pc, wouldn't recognize my phone as ext usb storage or charger. Finally bought a new usb board ebay for $11. They are really easy to change. Went prob 4 months with no usb port, just wireless. Googled the issue and lots of people have the same problem.
http://www.vivealive.net/WiQiQi-Samsung-S4-Wireless-Receiver-and-Versa-Charger-Set-WQS4V.htm
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The receiver link that chrisdfw posted seems interesting. Working nfc and and up to 7000 mah charging current. Seems to good to be true. If so it should be able to charge your phone pretty fast if you have a good wireless charging pad that can output enough. My phone takes prob 4-5 hrs with my mosnter watts kit and no nfc. I think the s4 can only handle like 640 mah for wireless charging if I'm not mistaken.
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I bought this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CU7FO5C/
and this:
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/accessories/chargers/sku6290260.html#fbid=I2SgasOKRDt (heck a discount when you order 3)
They charge at 640mha which is slightly disappointing. the insert is "capable" of 1Ah and the pad is "capable" of 750mha and never got other units to test with. all in all I didn't drop a lot of money and it works even with thicker cases too. It doesn't interfere with the built in NFC in the battery. I'm fairly happy with the buy. If you want a pics of what it looks like installed here's the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2407306

chrisdfw said:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GFLERAC...UTF8&colid=2CS6NFZ6SCG26&coliid=IDLZZUEM361JA
I have been happy with this one
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Thats the same one I got with the NFC. I got mine from eBay but I dont have a charger yet, Im waiting for it from Japan.

AFAIK, all QI setups for the S4 charge @ 640mA. I have a 1A Nexus Orb with a generic 1A QI sticker and a genuine Sammy QI battery cover. They both charge at 640mah sadly.

A good Qi receiver and charging station.
mrMinino said:
Basically, I'm looking for a way to enable my S4 to charge wirelessly and try some chargers.
I've seen some receivers online and heard that there is a backdoor for S4 that is QI enabled. What's the best way to proceed?
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I got this kit: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D1N3WFS/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The only tricky part is making the cards contacts stay in the phones. Solved easily with a piece of scotch tape. Works great and I have extended batteries with protective case, not even a problem. Try it out.

farfromovin said:
AFAIK, all QI setups for the S4 charge @ 640mA. I have a 1A Nexus Orb with a generic 1A QI sticker and a genuine Sammy QI battery cover. They both charge at 640mah sadly.
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I wonder how long the Zero lemon 7500 would take to charge at that rate.
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KRAZYADROIDMASTER said:
I wonder how long the Zero lemon 7500 would take to charge at that rate.
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That's a good question. I have a zl 3000mah and I'd say it takes 4-5 hrs completely drained. Would be interesting. The problem is getting a wireless receiver to make contacts with the charging studs. I have some copper foil tape I'm thinking would work. Just need a 7500 zl to test it with. It'd be great with their rugged case if I could make it work. I'm pretty sure it would though

I found this thing on Ubergizmo
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It's a powerbank and charger...reminds me of that thing from Lugulake, just smaller capacity, but it's from Mugen, so should be good.
and this QI receiver from mugen
Available to buy here here

I had one of those charging pads that fit under the stock back cover and it was OK. It worked, but the problem was always you need to put the phone PERFECTLY on the charger or it would stop charging after a few seconds. It just got annoying.
What I would recommend is getting the Samsung Oem charging cover. I have seen a few on Ebay and they are less than $20. I bought one and I couldn't be happier. The charging just works as good as my Nexus. I have no complaints.
Here is a sample add that I found
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=251364515988
I honestly wouldn't waste my time with anymore wireless receiver pads that create a buldge and get your phone hot. Plus they are finicky on getting the contacts to touch.
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All Chinese Qi chargers are not the same (not that you thought they were..)

So after picking up my S5 and absolutely HATING the USB3 connector on it, I decided I would go to a wireless charger. Read reviews and everyone has a different opinion so I got what I could find easily on eBay.
I picked up a charger for my wife's S4 and my S5, though not from the same seller (Neither seller had charge cards for both phones)
Wife got a pink one (to match her Otterbox Defender....more on that in a minute) and I picked up a blue one for my S5
Hers arrived and I went to work putting in the card. Worked flawlessly even through the big Otterbox. Awesome!
Mine came a few days later. Put the card in my phone (no case) and plugged in the charger. First thing I notice is the light to let you know its plugged in is VERY dim compared to the wife's. Weird but ok. Put the charge card in and put it on the charger.....nothing. Move it around some...finally find the exact spot it needs to charge (which happens to be 180 degrees from how you use the phone) Just a slight touch and its not charging. Also noticed her charging indication light on the pad is green, the one on mine was a very, very dim red.
So, thinking its the charge card...I test with the pink Qi charger. Works fine no matter how I put it on.
Contacted the seller, they told me to take the case off my phone, after my initial complaint stated I do not use a case on my phone. That was it..all communication stopped after their first response. I eventually won the case and got a refund. Seller was "findmall".
Anyway, the wife found she doesn't use hers as much as she though so I swapped insides (I can't use a pink charger lol). Here are the pics...the one I ordered for mine (blue) looks quite a bit different, both in quality of the charge coil solder connections, and the circuit board. Both look identical on the outside other than color.
Hope this helps someone. The good charger came (very quickly) from "accmonster" on eBay and was about $3 more.
Pics of them opened up before the swap:
Front and insides
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Inside comparison. Notice neatness of coil and different circuit boards.
Close up of the blue with bad solder joints and rough looking coil
Close up of the pink with different board, better solder joins, and nice coil
Back plates:

Should make it pink and blue lol
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From my shopping I'd think there are very few factories actually making these things, My LuguLake one is very similar externally. It does work fine for all my Qi capable devices. Amazon/ebay sellers often have 8-10 Qi chargers, probably the same internals.
I also have a raw Qi transmitter ordered from China that works ok, very bright LEDs. I haven't installed it in a case or whatever yet but the LEDs are almost too bright. It is a different design from your 2.

delawaredrew said:
From my shopping I'd think there are very few factories actually making these things, My LuguLake one is very similar externally. It does work fine for all my Qi capable devices. Amazon/ebay sellers often have 8-10 Qi chargers, probably the same internals.
I also have a raw Qi transmitter ordered from China that works ok, very bright LEDs. I haven't installed it in a case or whatever yet but the LEDs are almost too bright. It is a different design from your 2.
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Your LuguLake case looks similar (mine just doesn't have the LuguLake logo) on it but otherwise identical. Definitely not the same internals though, and man...that first coil is so nice and neat compared to mine lol

blackwrx02 said:
Your LuguLake case looks similar (mine just doesn't have the LuguLake logo) on it but otherwise identical. Definitely not the same internals though, and man...that first coil is so nice and neat compared to mine lol
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The coil was pictured as a separate piece on ebay, wired to the board. I was a little bummed to see it sandwiched as it doubles thickness making the existing car mount I wanted to mod not feasible with out weakening it to much. I may make a nightstand or desk top with it embedded. Need to test how well it works through a thin veneer. But it does work fine in basic testing.
The Lugulake QI charger has the identical back as yours also, gotta be same case maker and probably same factory.

Naztech Wireless Ultra Charging Pad (45 degree)

After trying out wireless charging with $5 puck off eBay I wanted to get myself something better. My requirements were: black, small, tilted and usb connector compatible stand. (So for me Tylt Vu is too long plus it doesn't have usb connector)
I decided to go with "Wireless Ultra Charging Pad" from Naztech (ordered from eBay for $50 + $15 shipping).
I received the charger just yesterday. Fortunately for me, the charger looks really similar to the render and I like the design. It looks like it was made for S5 - the optimal position is right in the middle. (I'm no expert but based on the positions I tried it looks like a 1-coil charger.)
Unfortunately the excitement got away quickly thanks to:
LEDs - It has two LEDs: red one (always on) and green one (for charging). The green one is lit when phone is charging. When charging finishes, it starts blinking. I was aware of them and they look discreen but I just hate leds, especially blinking ones which are not mentioned in description of $60 product and they cannot be turned off (well, black tape to rescue).
Beep - It beeps when charging starts. I read that Tylt Vu also beeps but do they really have to? I wouldn't buy it if I knew it is such long and high beep (again, it's not listed in product description). The worst is that the charger has no screws so muting the beeper isn't so easy.
Slipping - I have geniune back cover with QI receiver from Samsung but the 45 degree rubber pad just isn't able to hold the phone and it is traveling down with the speed of 1-2 cm per 5 minutes. This makes me very angry. S5 is listed as compatible. When I put there only the back cover itself it was also slipping (I'm not sure if I will bother uploading it). I also tried my tablet without Qi - LG G Pad 8.3 which has aluminium back but even this didn't help.
No response - Before ordering from eBay I was unable to use 20% discount from Naztech shop. I sent them email asking for help but never received a reply.
The only good thing is that I decided not to order two pieces (one for home, other to work). I'm afraid I will not be returning the charger because shipping would cost me significant amount of the charger cost and time. Also the eBay seller undervalued the package so I better don't want additional charges or other issues when sending it back.
Here are some pics:
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Working attempt to stop the slipping (used some rubber bands):
I might also end up replacing the rubber pad with something better...

This makes me very angry, lmao.
There's so much more in life to get upset about. Go outside.

try searching for a charger from yijieneng, i've started a thread on this, it has what you are looking for.

I already got $15 charging orb. Phone sits wonderfully on it and makes no beeps so I ordered another one for work.

moneytoo said:
I already got $15 charging orb. Phone sits wonderfully on it and makes no beeps so I ordered another one for work.
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you mean the cheap fake nexus orb in multi colour.:fingers-crossed:

kms108 said:
you mean the cheap fake nexus orb in multi colour.:fingers-crossed:
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I was pleasantly surprised - it doesn't feel cheap at all, it's quite heavy and looks well made, at least the all black version I got ("Made in Korea" ). Also unlike other chargers ($5 puck or this Naztech) it doesn't make any buzzing during charging.

moneytoo said:
I was pleasantly surprised - it doesn't feel cheap at all, it's quite heavy and looks well made, at least the all black version I got ("Made in Korea" ). Also unlike other chargers ($5 puck or this Naztech) it doesn't make any buzzing during charging.
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with most of the chargers, you can just remove the buzzer, but you can't do anything with the phone.
I have about 12 chargers, I change them every few months.:fingers-crossed:

Wireless charging & cases

My wife and I both got an S6 (mine is Verizon and hers is Sprint through our companies). I bought the Samsung charging pucks off Amazon Warehouse Deals and they came from China so I do not know if that has anything to do with my problem.
First, the phones would charge then pause then charge then pause over and over again. I corrected this issue by connecting each charger to its own dedicated power (I was using this and its apparently 2.1A combined: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=109&cp_id=10907&cs_id=1090701&p_id=9195&seq=1&format=2). So now we can charge but the location is extremely fickle.
Second, now that we are charging, if I use anything but an ultra slim case, it does not work. I have the Ringke Slim and have her using a cheap hybrid case from Best Buy. I have several other cases but they do not work (Speck Mightyshell, Rinke Max, etc...)
My question is several really.
- This is my first experience with wireless charging, do other wireless chargers perform better or is this par for the course?
- Is the fact that these came direct from China an issue? Maybe a newer version of the puck works better?
- Has anyone else had solid experience charging with a larger case? Mainly the Speck Mightyshell because my wife loves it.
Thank you for all your help XDA community!

That's the sign of a weak charging coil. I've used the Samsung puck (ECP-920), several Nokia chargers (DT-910, DT-920, DT-601, DC-50), and the Panasonic Qi pad. . I've used the Casemate Tough, the Ballistic Jewel, and several Spigen cases, which vary in thickness between 1mm-4mm, and never had issues with any of the above chargers save the DC-50, which behaved exactly as you described. The rest stay charging without constantly disconnecting and reconnecting to the phone, which also causes it to heat up.
In your shoes, I'd spend the extra $10 to get better chargers - there's $20 chargers on Amazon which have good reviews and seem to work properly. Heck, the old Nokia DT-900 works great, I'm told, and since it's discontinued sells fairly cheap as well.
I've already returned the DC50 for another Samsung puck, which was on sale for $30 or so at the time. I wouldn't advise keeping those cheap chargers, since they'll behave similarly badly with most Qi devices.

Haesslich said:
That's the sign of a weak charging coil. I've used the Samsung puck (ECP-920), several Nokia chargers (DT-910, DT-920, DT-601, DC-50), and the Panasonic Qi pad. . I've used the Casemate Tough, the Ballistic Jewel, and several Spigen cases, which vary in thickness between 1mm-4mm, and never had issues with any of the above chargers save the DC-50, which behaved exactly as you described. The rest stay charging without constantly disconnecting and reconnecting to the phone, which also causes it to heat up.
In your shoes, I'd spend the extra $10 to get better chargers - there's $20 chargers on Amazon which have good reviews and seem to work properly. Heck, the old Nokia DT-900 works great, I'm told, and since it's discontinued sells fairly cheap as well.
I've already returned the DC50 for another Samsung puck, which was on sale for $30 or so at the time. I wouldn't advise keeping those cheap chargers, since they'll behave similarly badly with most Qi devices.
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Thank you for the reply. Just to note, they are genuine "Samsung" pucks. They may be fake but were purchased off of Amazon. I will look into this.
Is this an unequivocal "best" charging pad?

I've had similar problems with the starting and stopping of charging. Usually, though, it's due to not being on the right spot, exactly. I can usually get a sweet spot and it will stay a lot better. I also noticed more problems with it when I had a slicker case on the phone, and I think it would shift a bit on the puck when people would walk around the house.
Also, as I mentioned, I had no trouble charging through a case. My wife briefly had some case from Best Buy before switching to an Otter Box Commuter, and I had a Spigen Ultra Hybrid before switching to a Verus Iron Bumper. None have had any trouble with the Samsung charger.
I will also throw out that I am just now getting my first experience with a different wireless charger, having bought a "Freedy" one from Amazon to put on my desk at work. It seems fairly decent thus far, though I did notice yesterday that it seemed to get really warm when I left it on there for a long time (not an issue with the Samsung charger). I am going to monitor that more over the next few days.

I wouldn't call the Samsung one the absolute best, but it works well for me. You have the square ones (EP-PG900) or the round ones (EP-PG920)? I've the latter, which I bought in store. You may want to RMA them if they're the round ones and won't charge the phone even when the Galaxy logo is on the coil (the area inside the rubber circle) . The PG900s have been causing issues with some folks, from what I've read here and in Amazon.
Beyond that, I'd suggest getting a reputable brand for the charger - the Aukey one gets good reviews, for example. I've got quite a few Nokia chargers, and they've not let me down yet... except the DC50 wireless battery pack.

danman421 said:
Thank you for the reply. Just to note, they are genuine "Samsung" pucks. They may be fake but were purchased off of Amazon. I will look into this.
Is this an unequivocal "best" charging pad?
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Just because they have Samsung printed on them doesn't make them OEM. I see 10$ pucks on eBay that have Samsung print on them. They come from China and I would bet money they never seen an actual Samsung manufacturing plant
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Here are some pictures. Maybe it's a really good fake. I will take it up with Amazon if so. I've purchased another CHOE Qi Stadium charger to test.
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That might be a fake. Did you get it from Amazon or a reseller using the Marketplace? The Yamsung thing is one I've never seen, and the Qi logo is in the wrong place and drawn incorrectly. Also, scan the QR code to see if it takes you to Samsung's site.

Haesslich said:
That might be a fake. Did you get it from Amazon or a reseller using the Marketplace? The Yamsung thing is one I've never seen, and the Qi logo is in the wrong place and drawn incorrectly. Also, scan the QR code to see if it takes you to Samsung's site.
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I did. I am not at home but I scanned the QR code from the photo and it has some japanese jibberish. If the one I ordered works better, I will return these and update this thread. Hopefully this helps someone.

My QR code reader couldn't read the code off the image you uploaded, and on my pad the code's actually just the serial number and model number, not the URL I had remembered.
If you didn't see a "sold by Amazon" link on the purchase you made, I'd say you got a fake.