[Q] In need of advice. - Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III

So my battery is draining at a ridiculous rate. Google services are using 34% of my battery. I'm running completely stock GS3 on verizon now with 4.3. I've been doing some research, I'm thinking I need to root to debloat and get some battery increases. I think i can do the root easily enough, but installing roms and safestrap seem a tad daunting to me. So would I be best off to root and install a rom? And would anyone be willing to help me out?
Thanks for all the hard work you all do.

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Lycan84 said:
So my battery is draining at a ridiculous rate. Google services are using 34% of my battery. I'm running completely stock GS3 on verizon now with 4.3. I've been doing some research, I'm thinking I need to root to debloat and get some battery increases. I think i can do the root easily enough, but installing roms and safestrap seem a tad daunting to me. So would I be best off to root and install a rom? And would anyone be willing to help me out?
Thanks for all the hard work you all do.
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If you need to stop google service then I will try to help you but its better you ask the MODERATOR for solution.
Thank you.

Lycan84 said:
So my battery is draining at a ridiculous rate. Google services are using 34% of my battery. I'm runvg completely stock GS3 on verizon now with 4.3. I've been doing some research, I'm thinking I need to root to debloat and get some battery increases. I think i can do the root easily enough, but installing roms and safestrap seem a tad daunting to me. So would I be best off to root and install a rom? And would anyone be willing to help me out?
Thanks for all the hard work you all do.
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Before you go overboard if you haven't already you should boot into recovery and do a factory reset. If you took the update over the air that would explain a lot. for some reason the ota changed settings and was just overall poorly executed. If a factory reset doesn't help download the 4.3 Odin file from this website and see if that helps. I say this website and not from a place like Samsung-updates because most of there files will not wipe the phone so problems tend to stick around.

Thread cleaned to remove warez reference. Be careful what you suggest and make sure it is properly done.
There are other, proper ways to get Rom Toolbox that don't involve using a third party app.

Lycan84 said:
So my battery is draining at a ridiculous rate. Google services are using 34% of my battery. I'm running completely stock GS3 on verizon now with 4.3. I've been doing some research, I'm thinking I need to root to debloat and get some battery increases. I think i can do the root easily enough, but installing roms and safestrap seem a tad daunting to me. So would I be best off to root and install a rom? And would anyone be willing to help me out?
Thanks for all the hard work you all do.
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concerning that last part, i would read very carefully before attempting to install a custom rom on 4.3. i've seen a lot of people brick their phones because they failed to read up on it. Best place to start is rooting, then after that (if you still want to install a custom rom) go to the safestrap thread and read up on it.

Been reading up on it a bit. I enabled developer options and checked close apps when exiting i think. And my battery life was improved a lot. I still want to do root i think so i can freeze some bloatware at least.
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Lycan84 said:
Been reading up on it a bit. I enabled developer options and checked close apps when exiting i think. And my battery life was improved a lot. I still want to do root i think so i can freeze some bloatware at least.
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Be careful on what you freeze. Most of the bloat is just a eye sore in the app draw. Touchwiz roms have a lot of layers depending on other layers to work properly and if you freeze the wrong thing your phone might get worse battery and be very buggy. There is a master list of what you can safely freeze somewhere on the forum.

So now a couple days later my battery is back to pitiful life and wont fully charge over night, draining to near nothing in half hour or so. Going to try a factory reset and see what happens...

I would also Odin stock
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I would also Odin stock
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What do you mean??

Did a factory reset. Battery life the first day after a full charge was great. Wasn't on it a whole lot and didn't put many apps back on it but I got to 22hrs before it hit 10%. Now I can't get the damn thing to fully charge. I feel lost.

Lycan84 said:
Did a factory reset. Battery life the first day after a full charge was great. Wasn't on it a whole lot and didn't put many apps back on it but I got to 22hrs before it hit 10%. Now I can't get the damn thing to fully charge. I feel lost.
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Sound like a faulty battery to me. Try exchanging it. Verizon should exchange for you for free. I would also download wakelock detector. Or better battery stats. Check for rogue apps
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wow the battery life is horrible even after all this configurations

i have rooted installed galicar rom. i have set cpu on and superpower. still the battery drains like crazy...... wthhhhhhh
2012iawait said:
i have rooted installed galicar rom. i have set cpu on and superpower. still the battery drains like crazy...... wthhhhhhh
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There is something wrong then. Try installing watchdog and see if there are any processes using a high percentage. It could be an app, and you might have a bad device. Try all your options first, there is more about this in the current battery thread here which is where this post really belongs.
bobsbbq said:
There is something wrong then. Try installing watchdog and see if there are any processes using a high percentage. It could be an app, and you might have a bad device. Try all your options first, there is more about this in the current battery thread here which is where this post really belongs.
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ok lets say i have a bad device and i call tmobile they will exchange it right. but i am already rooted and on custom rom. what do i do? i have the nand backup i can restore that. but how do i unroot it. is there odin for this phone? like the vibrant?
What % is considered 'not favorable' in Watchdog.
I just installed because I was curious about my own setup.
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Best battery? Battery life is all relative. Every single person will experience different battery life. The apps you have installed, the amount of time you spend on it and the time you spend on/in each app, distance from cell towers, distance from Wi-Fi sources, settings you have for every app and things like sync and what not.
There is no single variable that will ever help any of us find out what the best battery life is.
All the settings in the world won't help you achieve the 2 days I'm getting because I use mine differently that you, I have different apps on mine that you, I am at different distances from cell and Wi-Fi towers/antennas than you.
The best battery life is what you get out of yours.
right now watch dog says used 8% idle 59% apps 62
i am thinking about selling this on ebay and getting nexus s
2012iawait said:
i am thinking about selling this on ebay and getting nexus s
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IMHO that would be a huge mistake, but it is your choice. Just one that I think you would end up regretting.
well i just read the review on engadget they claim to get 20hrs of battery life with heavy use and lots of phone calls and it has gingerbread......
2012iawait said:
well i just read the review on engadget they claim to get 20hrs of battery life with heavy use and lots of phone calls and it has gingerbread......
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And it only has 512MB of RAM, no SD card expansion, built by Sammy (and that isn't a good thing). It's a step down. No HSPA+ support.
You have to understand that the Nexus S is a dev phone that is oddly being offered to the public. It's not really even meant to go head to head with phones like the MT4G and others. It's a pure developer phone.
But again, it's your choice.
you are right in a way but i feel that gingerbread has fixed the battery issue and we will have to wait for ever to get gingerbread on our mytouch. And whats up with the youtube app? it is still not fixed with the ota
Way to stray off topic. LOL
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daryllh said:
What % is considered 'not favorable' in Watchdog.
I just installed because I was curious about my own setup.
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Set setcpu to powersave mode and ther you go. Problem solved. Or try recalibrating you battery. Use phone till it dies completly then plug in charger without powering on delete your batt stats in recovery before u power on after charging your phone completly while its off. Phone battery recalibrated!
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ok guys i think i have a bad device i am ready to send this one back what do i do? i am roote and on diff rom. how do i make it factory?
Just get the nexus s then ......just seems like people find any excuse to switch phones ......then when u get nexus s " is just like vibrant, i need more memory , its laggy ," and then back to square one .....i had vibrant and g2 and now mytouch 4g and after using it since it came out i sold the other phones cuz this phone (mytouch 4g ) is a beast.....im super satisfy with mt4g yeah there isnt alot of development for it but the phone by itself like this runs with no problem imho ...........and my battery is way better on this than my vibrant or g2 ever was the vibrant was the worst one ....i had to carry a charger wit me at all times........
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2012iawait said:
ok lets say i have a bad device and i call tmobile they will exchange it right. but i am already rooted and on custom rom. what do i do? i have the nand backup i can restore that. but how do i unroot it. is there odin for this phone? like the vibrant?
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There are some threads in the development section. The true permroot thread has a guide to flash back to S-on and you can even flash back your original Hboot. I have done it before and it is not hard.
I don't know how long you have had your device but I would give it some time if you have only had it a few days. If you are about to run out of your remorse period then a exchange should be of concern. If you bought it from a retail store you can just go back in and get another one. If you bought it from the internet then you will have to call them and get them to send you a new one.
PS: I assume you are on the software 2.2.1 right?
bobsbbq said:
There are some threads in the development section. The true permroot thread has a guide to flash back to S-on and you can even flash back your original Hboot. I have done it before and it is not hard.
I don't know how long you have had your device but I would give it some time if you have only had it a few days. If you are about to run out of your remorse period then a exchange should be of concern. If you bought it from a retail store you can just go back in and get another one. If you bought it from the internet then you will have to call them and get them to send you a new one.
PS: I assume you are on the software 2.2.1 right?
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yes i am on 2.2.1 i bought it from craigslist. and can you please link me to that thread. and also is there possibility that i can brick my phone? like for the vibrant the phone was unbricalble if anything goes wrong just odin back to stock and its all good. what about for the mytouch how does this work?
if i turn the s on and i made a back up of my original rom and. and i do restore of my backup. is that good enough? if i wana send back this device?
Your gonna sell mt4g and get a nexus s.... lol it has no SD card slot and no hspa...
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Is rooting worth it?

Hello, I have a Motorola Droid X, and was wondering if it was worth while to root it. My dad has a rooted phone, and I kind of think it's cool some if the stuff you can do. But, I don't think I totally understand rooting yet.
So because if this I'm wondering if there is anything that makes it worth rooting ? I've also seen some of the custom themes and stuff that you can get on a rooted phone. Do those make your battery life a lot shorter?
Thanks for any help I can get
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Hello, I have a Motorola Droid X, and was wondering if it was worth while to root it. My dad has a rooted phone, and I kind of think it's cool some if the stuff you can do. But, I don't think I totally understand rooting yet.
So because if this I'm wondering if there is anything that makes it worth rooting ? I've also seen some of the custom themes and stuff that you can get on a rooted phone. Do those make your battery life a lot shorter?
Thanks for any help I can get
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If root isn't worth it for you (depending on apps you are using and if you are a developer), then at least a custom recovery is. Making backups is quite an obsession, but can save u weeks of work.
show-p1984 said:
If root isn't worth it for you (depending on apps you are using and if you are a developer), then at least a custom recovery is. Making backups is quite an obsession, but can save u weeks of work.
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What exactly is a custom recovery? Sorry I'm really new to this kind of stuff. I didn't even know you could change the homescreen until today and no, I'm definitely not a developer
So then what all can I do with rooting my phone then?
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So then what all can I do with rooting my phone then?
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- Make screenshots.
- Run a firewall to keep apps offline that don't need internet but use it anyway.
- Control app permissions.
- Block ads.
- Tether your internet, even if your carrier doesn't support it.
- Make full backups of your data, apps,, and settings.
- Auto-sync your clock with a time server.
- Undervolt for longer battery life, overclock to make your phone faster.
And much more.
dritz33 said:
Hello, I have a Motorola Droid X, and was wondering if it was worth while to root it. My dad has a rooted phone, and I kind of think it's cool some if the stuff you can do. But, I don't think I totally understand rooting yet.
So because if this I'm wondering if there is anything that makes it worth rooting ? I've also seen some of the custom themes and stuff that you can get on a rooted phone. Do those make your battery life a lot shorter?
Thanks for any help I can get
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I'd say YES! Personally its the Best thing I've ever done with my phone! Here's a few Incentives...
1.) Wireless Tether
2.) Increased Cpu Speed
3.) Better Battery Life
4.) Nandroid Backup
(Which basically Allows you to Fix Anything you may of messed up)
5.) New Custom Roms!!!
hi all, me to very new to this forum, and thought of asking questions regarding , what is rooting and what are the +vs of it. I get most from above replies thank you all for that, i have few more question.
1.) Does rooted phone UI will be stock version ?
2.) what may be possible -vs / disadvantages of rooting?
3.)what are Custom Roms, i see in many threads - yup am completely noob
thanks,
merin
dritz33 said:
What exactly is a custom recovery? Sorry I'm really new to this kind of stuff. I didn't even know you could change the homescreen until today and no, I'm definitely not a developer
So then what all can I do with rooting my phone then?
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a custom recovery system is used to flash zip files that are not signed (correct me if im wrong)
i suck at explaining things.
in your case you will be using a bootstrapper (just think of it as a custom recovery system, dont get confused)
once you learn and read more and see the benefits then you can decide if rooting is an option you want.
merin_83 said:
1.) Does rooted phone UI will be stock version ?
2.) what may be possible -vs / disadvantages of rooting?
3.)what are Custom Roms, i see in many threads - yup am completely noob
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1) Yes. Rooting gives you access to the system files and folders. It doesn't change anything else, unless you start changing things after you've rooted your phone.
2) Plenty of advantages. The only disadvantage is that rooted phones are not covered by warranty. You can get your warranty back by unrooting, but if something on your phones breaks that prevents you from unrooting you're out of luck.
3) Modified versions of Android. It's a bit like all the different versions of Linux for computers.
Definitely the best thing I have ever done to my Fascinate!
Thank you rogier666..
you explained everything...
Defiantly i want to root... But before that i guess i should do bit research on which version i should use O
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Unbelievably worth it in my opinion!
It opens up a whole new world of possibilities and fine tuning. In addition to this, you can often talk to the people who develop some of the custom roms/features and receive direct support. Also, this scale of developing usually means any problems are corrected within a week (instead of within 4-6 months from the manufacturer). Having the ability to make nandroid backups (think of them as save states) is yet another wonderful feature.
Happy rooting!
dritz33 said:
Hello, I have a Motorola Droid X, and was wondering if it was worth while to root it. My dad has a rooted phone, and I kind of think it's cool some if the stuff you can do. But, I don't think I totally understand rooting yet.
So because if this I'm wondering if there is anything that makes it worth rooting ? I've also seen some of the custom themes and stuff that you can get on a rooted phone. Do those make your battery life a lot shorter?
Thanks for any help I can get
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Don't be Fooled by the Pessimists!
Rooting your phones the Most fun you can have with your Pants On!
Lol... Nah but Seriously its Definitely Worth it!
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No your battery life will not be shorter if you flash the correct way, make sure you have it fully charged then flash. After this you drain it all the way and then charge it all the way. Do it again (twice) then boot into recovery and wipe battery stats. I think this is correct, I may have the steps switched around and someone correct me if i am wrong. Overall, many custom roms actually give you better battery life.
To Root or Not To Root, That is the Question
The decision to root your phone is highly dependent on your personality and background.
For example, many people "just want it to work." This basically means that they don't care how it works, they just want to use the device as-advertised. They expect the device to give them what they pay for. Their priorities are elsewhere.
This gets a little more complicated because rooting is basically tearing down a wall that is hiding additional functionality. The complication comes from the person knowing the extra functionality is behind that wall and finding value in that extra functionality. The question of whether rooting is "useful" depends on how much value the person puts on that addition functionality (minus the potential headache of figuring out to root).
An example is tethering to access the internet with a laptop by connecting to the phone via wifi, USB, or other means. For tethering, service providers charge about $20-$30 which can be gotten for free with rooting + the appropriate apps. That's an obvious value. The cost is when the service provider decides to try to block that tethering which can be a headache trying to circumvent. There are also the moral implications...
Other reasons may be to
- learn the unknown -- who knows, you might try to make an app to do what you want to do and get paid. you could dig into the kernel and become an expert, you could start creating themes and become skilled at visual/UI design.
- control the bull$#!^ that your service provider is trying to feed you (media, ads, pay apps, etc). remove all those junk apps that they force upon you too.
- impress the ladies -- seriously, if you can get them facegoogle+ in a car on a road trip they may nod a googlyface in the future. nerd girls get their own by definition, don't try, just belong.
dritz33 said:
Hello, I have a Motorola Droid X, and was wondering if it was worth while to root it. My dad has a rooted phone, and I kind of think it's cool some if the stuff you can do. But, I don't think I totally understand rooting yet.
So because if this I'm wondering if there is anything that makes it worth rooting ? I've also seen some of the custom themes and stuff that you can get on a rooted phone. Do those make your battery life a lot shorter?
Thanks for any help I can get
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My opinion is it depends on the particular device and what the root consists of. I have an Inspire 4G that I won't root because it just works too well as is and the root process is super-duper ugly and convoluted. However, I also have a Nexus S and, although it works perfectly fine without rooting, I have it root because the rooting process is simple and straightforward and the bootloader is open to being unlocked by a normal means rather than an ugly hack. And I only use root on my Nexus S to use certain apps that require root. I don't flash any other ROMs and I even allowed it to return to the original recovery image. Also I relocked the bootloader.
The only difference between my Nexus S and it's original state is the super-simple root. In fact, the only way to tell my Nexus S is different is to run an app that requires root. The app will work on mine and not on the original.
I wil do it olsow
+1 - well said
rogier666 said:
- Make screenshots.
- Run a firewall to keep apps offline that don't need internet but use it anyway.
- Control app permissions.
- Block ads.
- Tether your internet, even if your carrier doesn't support it.
- Make full backups of your data, apps,, and settings.
- Auto-sync your clock with a time server.
- Undervolt for longer battery life, overclock to make your phone faster.
And much more.
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This is your HOX on AT&T JB

So my wife's HOX has taken a nose dive in performance and battery life since taking the update to JB.
*Disclaimer* if you feel so inclined to help me, please don't sit there and tell me this is brought on by my wife being dumb. She's not rooting and ROMing like us, but she's not so bad that I'd recommend she use an iPhone. In other words, I don't think she is the cause of these issues.
Performance is laggy, especially with texting and web browsing on or off WiFi. She gets about 6 hours on a charge (100% to dead) with light/medium use. She has never complained about battery life or performance on ICS.
A few days ago I went into her phone and removed excess apps, and disabled the AT&T bloatware. Didn't help though.
Her HOX is completely stock...no launchers, custom browsers, or text messaging apps.
She's going to the AT&T store soon, but I doubt those goons will be able to help.
Does anybody have any idea what to do next to troubleshoot?
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
I think it's a wife thing lol.
My wife's one x+ is laggy as hell.. SwiftKey runs like absolute ****. However could a quad core phone running the stock rom be so laggy?
Good luck with it
Disable Google maps and GPS
Put Gsam battery monitor or betterbatterystats on her phone and monitor wakelocks
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Dannar said:
So my wife's HOX has taken a nose dive in performance and battery life since taking the update to JB.
*Disclaimer* if you feel so inclined to help me, please don't sit there and tell me this is brought on by my wife being dumb. She's not rooting and ROMing like us, but she's not so bad that I'd recommend she use an iPhone. In other words, I don't think she is the cause of these issues.
Performance is laggy, especially with texting and web browsing on or off WiFi. She gets about 6 hours on a charge (100% to dead) with light/medium use. She has never complained about battery life or performance on ICS.
A few days ago I went into her phone and removed excess apps, and disabled the AT&T bloatware. Didn't help though.
Her HOX is completely stock...no launchers, custom browsers, or text messaging apps.
She's going to the AT&T store soon, but I doubt those goons will be able to help.
Does anybody have any idea what to do next to troubleshoot?
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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it's not your wife, i can tell you that. I'm having the identical issue. my HOX is bone stock bc it's a work phone and I can't root, so i went with the OTA for this. love th features, but the battery life has been halved on a good day.
it's due to wakelocks, as mentioned, and shows as though it's from maps. but really, some internet research has shown that many believe it's due to a media scanning function as well as the way that both google and 3rd party apps are using location services (which ends up being reflected as a "maps" app function. regardless, i have no idea what to do, but there are various suggestions regarding this...
http://code.google.com/p/android/is...ot&colspec=ID Type Status Owner Summary Stars
http://code.google.com/p/android/is...D Type Status Owner Summary Stars#makechanges
http://code.google.com/p/android/is...s Owner Summary Stars&groupby=&sort=&id=40370
have a look and, as said eariler, get BetteryBatteryStats, or similar, and monitor the wakelocks.
There are ways of fixing this, but they require rooting to stop various things from running in the background.
Myself, I have excellent battery life on JB; I can almost go two days without a charge.
I have pretty good battery life on JB also (knock on wood) the only time it tanks when I'm in a very poor coverage area, then the phone gets a little hot too but disabling "syncing" brings it back to normal usage. You might wanna try that. Also there's a Qualcomm made app in the play store that helps with battery life and also allows you to customize the syncing.
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A factory reset usually helps a lot of those problems after a big update.
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Same thing on the wife's... Bone ass stock, it lags like crazy now after the ota.
I tried to clean it out best I can short of formatting the SD... No dice still lags...
I been waiting for the ruu to see if thats going to help...
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I been waiting for the ruu to see if thats going to help...
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The 3.18 RUU is now posted on HTC's website (as well as the RUU thread in General): http://www.htc.com/us/support/news.aspx?p_id=464&p_name=htc-one-x-att
F'in right. Nice find redpoint
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InflatedTitan said:
F'in right. Nice find redpoint
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Heh. Another user actually PMed me and told me about it.
Otherwise, it was pretty stealth. It got added to the RUU thread, and talked about in a couple other threads, but nobody made a thread announcing it or anything.
redpoint73 said:
Heh. Another user actually PMed me and told me about it.
Otherwise, it was pretty stealth. It got added to the RUU thread, and talked about in a couple other threads, but nobody made a thread announcing it or anything.
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Well dang I been patiently waiting and checking our threads lol. Gonna run this tonight once I backup her pics and stuff.. I sure hope it helps with the lag and hesitation when navigating...
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iElvis said:
There are ways of fixing this, but they require rooting to stop various things from running in the background.
Myself, I have excellent battery life on JB; I can almost go two days without a charge.
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I wanted to, but this is my wife's phone. She wasn't 100% behind the idea of rooting and such. She's onboard now...and it's too late.
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I been waiting for the ruu to see if thats going to help...
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Maybe I'm being a noob, but how does this RUU help when we're talking about no root or S off?
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
RUU is basically flashing everything all over, including the radio, kernel, etc.
I had similar problems with my HOX prior to the update, and a factory reset took care of the problem. I could normally get about 16 hours out of the phone during the week, and still have juice in the tank when going to sleep. Then one day something was misbehaving, and the phone died in about 8 hours, with hardly any use. I think that it's more of an HTC thing...they need to be punted every now and then. Personally, I've had very good battery life since the update, and things have run very smooth (except for G+, but it think that's a G+ thing), but I find that I have to reboot the phone about once a week to flush the cache (since HTC can't seem to execute proper memory management on their devices) when things get bogged down.
Sounds like I need to do a reset then, and possibly reflash the OTA (which I can do without root access, right?).
Thanks for all the info chums. It's good to know that I'm not the only one, and that we can still make use if this awesome device.
Here's hoping we get another way to root and S-off.
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
Dannar said:
Sounds like I need to do a reset then, and possibly reflash the OTA (which I can do without root access, right?).
Thanks for all the info chums. It's good to know that I'm not the only one, and that we can still make use if this awesome device.
Here's hoping we get another way to root and S-off.
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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reflash the new ruu not the ota.

Disable Samsung KNOX For possible Downgrade to 4.3?

As I'm sure tons of you guys know, 4.4.2 is absolute crap. Battery life, lag, GPS issues. There is barely anything good about the update. I am sick and tired of having to charge my phone almost three times a day just because the update (that Samsung claimed in my tech support chat, is "well up to date".) that isn't going to get fixed ever again.
One of these horrible features is Samsung KNOX. Just to get more customers from businesses, Samsung KNOX is ultra secure, down to the very bootloader. Basically turning into Motorola with the no-downgrade thing. Basically making it so not even older custom ROMs will flash. (I haven't flashed a ROM yet. And I'll get to why.)
Now, on HTC devices I have used, If I hated the new update, all I needed to do was Flash an older stock rom, even use an RUU if I needed to. But this update is just plain awful. And thanks to KNOX, there is no way back.
So, I have a few questions to ask.
4.3 DID come with Samsung Knox, along with the Bootloader I believe, which in my eyes, is a very narrow tunnel, but it's there.
You can uninstall Samsung KNOX through the app (If you don't have the app in the drawer, there is a way to set it up anyways. Which I did. and I pressed uninstall KNOX, but the apps are still present on the phone.)
Does this mean the security is off? Or that the 0x0/0x1 flag is off?
Is there a way to root, flash a custom 4.3 ROM, and ODIN back to Stock 4.3?
Is there even a way to do anything development-like on the device without flipping that trigger?
Or can all of this be solved by fixing settings on 4.4.2, not needing to do this anyways?
(if anyone just wants to see how bad the battery is, I can upload Battery Manager screenshots and Gsam Shots as well.)
Thanks to anyone who can provide me with some tips and maybe solutions.
nxhappy said:
As I'm sure tons of you guys know, 4.4.2 is absolute crap. Battery life, lag, GPS issues. There is barely anything good about the update. I am sick and tired of having to charge my phone almost three times a day just because the update (that Samsung claimed in my tech support chat, is "well up to date".) that isn't going to get fixed ever again.
One of these horrible features is Samsung KNOX. Just to get more customers from businesses, Samsung KNOX is ultra secure, down to the very bootloader. Basically turning into Motorola with the no-downgrade thing. Basically making it so not even older custom ROMs will flash. (I haven't flashed a ROM yet. And I'll get to why.)
Now, on HTC devices I have used, If I hated the new update, all I needed to do was Flash an older stock rom, even use an RUU if I needed to. But this update is just plain awful. And thanks to KNOX, there is no way back.
So, I have a few questions to ask.
4.3 DID come with Samsung Knox, along with the Bootloader I believe, which in my eyes, is a very narrow tunnel, but it's there.
You can uninstall Samsung KNOX through the app (If you don't have the app in the drawer, there is a way to set it up anyways. Which I did. and I pressed uninstall KNOX, but the apps are still present on the phone.)
Does this mean the security is off? Or that the 0x0/0x1 flag is off?
Is there a way to root, flash a custom 4.3 ROM, and ODIN back to Stock 4.3?
Is there even a way to do anything development-like on the device without flipping that trigger?
Or can all of this be solved by fixing settings on 4.4.2, not needing to do this anyways?
(if anyone just wants to see how bad the battery is, I can upload Battery Manager screenshots and Gsam Shots as well.)
Thanks to anyone who can provide me with some tips and maybe solutions.
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Once your on 4.4.2 you cannot downgrade. It's not even an option
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I heard it was strictly because of the KNOX bootloader. Which led me to believe that if I somehow rooted without tripping the 0x1 trigger, removed knox, and then flashed 4.3 through odin, that I'd be able to get back to a system version that doesn't suck.
nxhappy said:
I heard it was strictly because of the KNOX bootloader. Which led me to believe that if I somehow rooted without tripping the 0x1 trigger, removed knox, and then flashed 4.3 through odin, that I'd be able to get back to a system version that doesn't suck.
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Basically yes. I wouldn't even try to downgrade it. You will brick it
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Alright. But is there any way I can root without tripping the 0x1? Or a way to just save battery on 4.4.2? I barely get 7 hours anymore when I got at least 18 on 4.3.
ShapesBlue said:
Basically yes. I wouldn't even try to downgrade it. You will brick it
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This probably won't work either, but rooting, flashing a 4.3 CUSTOM ROM w/ touchwiz? Is that possible at all?
nxhappy said:
This probably won't work either, but rooting, flashing a 4.3 CUSTOM ROM w/ touchwiz? Is that possible at all?
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If your on 4.4.2 then no. If your on 4.3 yes. Only flash roms intended for the correct bootloader
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Do you know of any way to keep android system and Android OS from eating up my battery?
nxhappy said:
Do you know of any way to keep android system and Android OS from eating up my battery?
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Apps are always the biggest culprit of battery issues. If you don't already have it installed I high recommend GSAM battery monitor. That will give you an idea of what is killing the battery the quickest
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I've had it for awhile and its Kernel (Android OS)
nxhappy said:
I've had it for awhile and its Kernel (Android OS)
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If you have the app and the root companion for it then it should be pretty clear about which apps are in question
I also highly recommend an app called Wakelock detector (root)
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I can't root unless I wanna tip the trigger. Which I don't wanna do. And I only have 2 apps, even tried safe mode, so its definitely the update itself.
nxhappy said:
I can't root unless I wanna tip the trigger. Which I don't wanna do. And I only have 2 apps, even tried safe mode, so its definitely the update itself.
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If your on NE1 you can root but as far as I've read towelroot is the only option for rooting. As long as the kernel is before a certain date. I can't remember off hand what the date is however. It's hard remembering a log of this as I'm not locked down like most are
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Okay. I really like this phone, I just can't handle the terrible battery life this update has given me. It's almost as bad as what I got on my HTC One M7 when I ran sense 7.. And that had BAD battery life. Wish I could flash and root without having to deal with the trigger.
I just tried safe mode and my battery drained the same amount.
nxhappy said:
Okay. I really like this phone, I just can't handle the terrible battery life this update has given me. It's almost as bad as what I got on my HTC One M7 when I ran sense 7.. And that had BAD battery life. Wish I could flash and root without having to deal with the trigger.
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I still use my S3 so I understand. I only use it for games and on wifi but it's still a champ
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I use mine as a phone since I had a droid ultra that broke, one problem could be the battery is brand new, and I heard new batteries need to be cycled 4 times at least. Or the update is just crap. And Samsung and Verizon doesn't care, so I'm as stuck as I can be as of now, I'm guessing.
nxhappy said:
I use mine as a phone since I had a droid ultra that broke, one problem could be the battery is brand new, and I heard new batteries need to be cycled 4 times at least. Or the update is just crap. And Samsung and Verizon doesn't care, so I'm as stuck as I can be as of now, I'm guessing.
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Oh i agree. Samsung and VZW came together and truly ruined the S3. Then again they ruined more than a few phones
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Yeah. Definitely. Would switch to T-Mobile but their coverage here is absolute crap. Do you know of any good extended batteries or long lasting ones between 2200 and 3000 miliamp hours?
I've never used one with this one so unfortunately I wouldn't be of much help with that. And yea TMobile coverage here is horrible as well.
I know a lot if people used the zero lemon battery which is a lot bigger
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I'm giving up.. going stock.

Hey all,
Right now I am on CleanROM 1.5 and it runs good minus the pre 5.1.1 memory leak issues and pre samsung memory management issues.
Battery life was a solid 17 hours or more.
I am going to update this with my experience on memory management, battery life and anything else in case anyone else is wondering if it is worth making the switch.
To the people who are stock.. what are the recommendations ? Can I run any debloat scripts? Any threads on what is safe to de-bloat?
i went back to stock and it seems better than when i was running a rom. running 5.1.1 smoothly with no flaws, getting about a days worth of solid battery life and no problems with anything. i gave up on rooting samsung devices. just seems like there is to much to go through every time you want to do something and it doesn't seem like there is to much development for this device with the locked bootloader and all only so much can be done
I've been thinking about doing the same, think I might just do it tonight.
THADDIUS25 said:
I've been thinking about doing the same, think I might just do it tonight.
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I did it Friday night. No regrets at all.
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Same here on Sat night
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So here is what I did.. I ODIN'ed the 0E2 Tar and it did NOT wipe my device which I should it would. Then I let it upgrade to the latest 0G9. I wiped system cache via recovery and it seems okay.
Do you guys recommended a factory reset?
Also.. there is that debloater tool.. anyone have a list of good apps to debloat that is safe? I disabled some stuff but I am sure there is much more that can be done.
musicfreak190 said:
So here is what I did.. I ODIN'ed the 0E2 Tar and it did NOT wipe my device which I should it would. Then I let it upgrade to the latest 0G9. I wiped system cache via recovery and it seems okay.
Do you guys recommended a factory reset?
Also.. there is that debloater tool.. anyone have a list of good apps to debloat that is safe? I disabled some stuff but I am sure there is much more that can be done.
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I factory reset personally, but download package disabler from the play store and it has a list to automatically debloat. And then you can go back enable anything that you did need.
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MrWicked1 said:
I factory reset personally, but download package disabler from the play store and it has a list to automatically debloat. And then you can go back enable anything that you did need.
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Thank you!
Right now I'm rooted on 5.0.2, OE2 baseband. Can someone give me directions for going back to stock so I can flash 5.1.1?
Also, how did you guys back up your apps since Titanium won't work on non root devices.
Thanks for any help.
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I'm doing the same right now. I really liked clean rom light but if I was in my car I couldn't run Google Maps/Pandora and then go into messaging or gmail without one of those two apps shutting down. I'm hoping 5.1.1 will improve this.
tazman19 said:
Right now I'm rooted on 5.0.2, OE2 baseband. Can someone give me directions for going back to stock so I can flash 5.1.1?
Also, how did you guys back up your apps since Titanium won't work on non root devices.
Thanks for any help.
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Looking for this as well
tazman19 said:
Right now I'm rooted on 5.0.2, OE2 baseband. Can someone give me directions for going back to stock so I can flash 5.1.1?
Also, how did you guys back up your apps since Titanium won't work on non root devices.
Thanks for any help.
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Head over to the general section and download Odin and the tar file for OE2 and flash it is ongoing your pc. Then I used smart switch to upgrade. I didn't back up any apps so can't help you there I've never seen any decent back up apps for non root.
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I completely agree. I've been mulling over this for a long time now as well. I guess if I want device support, then I need to go to the iPhone.
I decided to once again factory reset a couple of hours ago. Sucks that this thing slows down and stutters so much. I had already disabled a ton on stuff using Disabler app. I'm going to run on stock launcher and just a few apps for a bit before I decide whether to suffer thru or just sell it. Maybe Marshmallow will help in about 6 months when Samsung/Verizon release it. Damn. I should've kept my S4 running a bit longer. It did better than this S6. What the hell Samsung?
well...I decided to join you guys. (upgrading now) i hope i don't regret this! haha
let's just hope Marshmallow can be rooted!!!
el6006 said:
I decided to once again factory reset a couple of hours ago. Sucks that this thing slows down and stutters so much. I had already disabled a ton on stuff using Disabler app. I'm going to run on stock launcher and just a few apps for a bit before I decide whether to suffer thru or just sell it. Maybe Marshmallow will help in about 6 months when Samsung/Verizon release it. Damn. I should've kept my S4 running a bit longer. It did better than this S6. What the hell Samsung?
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Surprised your having so much trouble, no lag here and pretty decent battery life with everything I have disabled.
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el6006 said:
I decided to once again factory reset a couple of hours ago. Sucks that this thing slows down and stutters so much. I had already disabled a ton on stuff using Disabler app. I'm going to run on stock launcher and just a few apps for a bit before I decide whether to suffer thru or just sell it. Maybe Marshmallow will help in about 6 months when Samsung/Verizon release it. Damn. I should've kept my S4 running a bit longer. It did better than this S6. What the hell Samsung?
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I have had 0 issues since going to stock 5.1.1. Running smooth and fast.
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el6006 said:
I decided to once again factory reset a couple of hours ago. Sucks that this thing slows down and stutters so much. I had already disabled a ton on stuff using Disabler app. I'm going to run on stock launcher and just a few apps for a bit before I decide whether to suffer thru or just sell it. Maybe Marshmallow will help in about 6 months when Samsung/Verizon release it. Damn. I should've kept my S4 running a bit longer. It did better than this S6. What the hell Samsung?
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You consider maybe your unit is bad. Because let's be real. Saying the s4 could outperform this device is pure rubbish.
Gizmoe said:
You consider maybe your unit is bad. Because let's be real. Saying the s4 could outperform this device is pure rubbish.
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Don't think so. It starts out great every time I restore to stock but quickly degrades in performance. Since the last update, OG9, and having reset it yet again the other night, it is working somewhat better. Its not as laggy as before. I don't know maybe its all in my head. I just think that sometimes, the stuttering is just not making any sense. Google Plus lags and stutters, Gmail lags at times, Hangouts also, Firefox, Chrome,..... It works fine after a restore.
el6006 said:
I should've kept my S4 running a bit longer.
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I had a S6 for 13 days and returned it and went back to my S4. The S6 was definitely a better device performance wise but I wasn't impressed enough with it and I could do everything on my S4 that I need to do just as well. I bought my S4 a year after it was released so it's not as old as some. I also went to stock on my S4 after being rooted since I had it and did a factory reset. Feels like I have a new phone. I'm going to wait and see what the S7 is going to be like.

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