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Noob Question About S-On, S-Off, and HTC's unlock

I used HTC's official unlock and my phone is unlocked, but has S-On. Is there a benefit to S-Off now that mine is unlocked? What is the difference between how the unlocks are? Sorry if i'm not making much sense, I'm new to this place and Android in general... I just got my sensation last week.

Welcome to Sensation
Don't worry, everyone's a noob at some point, I'm pretty much still a noob myself but as far as I understand it:
To this point you have unlocked your bootloader which simply allows the phone to boot with third-party software installed. In your phone there is a form of security check and the level of security is determined by whether you are S-ON or S-OFF. It's a flag at the radio level of your phone that checks images before they are allowed to be written to the system memory. So when you gain S-OFF, you gain unrestricted access to the NAND flash memory on your device, also known as root. With S-ON you can get temporary root but it's not guaranteed, with S-OFF you can get permanent root no matter what you flash.
Essentially gaining S-OFF permits superuser access to the phone, giving you control over all aspects of software and hardware.
If you like your phone the way it comes to you, all filled up with bloatware and stuck using only the latest version of Android that your carrier releases OTA, with a boring/crappy splash screen and boot animation (and so on and so forth ) then you have no real reason to get S-OFF.
If however you have seen some of the shiny ROMs put together by the devs here at XDA, or have a sweet custom splash screen you'd love to see every time you boot up the phone, or just like the idea of having complete control over YOUR phone and flashing what-the-hell-ever ROM/firmware/radio/other stuff you damn well please, then you should definitely consider rooting.
The disclaimer to all this is that if you aren't careful and don't thoroughly research what you're doing BEFORE you do it, you could brick your phone and give yourself some serious grief. The fact you're even asking this now is a point in your favour, there are far too many 'help me' posts on here from people who did something without bothering to try and understand it first. Knowledge is power and there's buckets of knowledge on this forum and others.
I'd suggest reading here and here at the very least.
Hope that helps

s-off means you may do anything with your phone,
you will lose warrenty at s-off gain it at s-on
as the other guy said if u want a nice toutch to your rom s-off it and install, if u want it still legal dont

Thanks for the info. I've been considering using an ICS OTA file on my HTC Sensation 4G, but the guides i've seen only mention S-OFF and nothing about the unlocked S-ON. I just can't wait for the official release!
On the other hand though, I also want to remove bloatware from this phone and found a script for such... but i can't seem to get any temp root method working. I'm not ready to jump off the deep end yet, but i'm tired of the unnecessary stuff.

I also couldn't wait for the official ICS release so I s-off, rooted, super CID, and flashed an ICS firmware and went to android revolution. Honestly, it's one of the best decisions Ive ever made. If you think your stock phone is running good right now, you'll be amazed when you flash it, it will run absolutely faster I tell you.
Though there are alot of risks doing all of that, it might brick your phone completely. So be very careful, read and understand everything if you're going to do all of those stuff.
Sent from revolutionized HTC Sensation ICS

HTC sensation stuck at boot
Hey Guys Noob here,
I need help big time. I gone and mess with something I shouldn't have. I'm a first time android/touch screen user so bear with me.
I was trying to S-off my phone (alrady rooted- after several tries) but I downloaded the juopunutbear zip file on my phone. I mistakenly loaded it via the CWM recovery and now the screen is stuck on that juopunutbear image.
I have tried to flash my rom because I thought it was just a boot loop, but nothing happened. I NEED some advice please don't tell me I bricked it. :crying:

man+droid said:
Hey Guys Noob here,
I need help big time. I gone and mess with something I shouldn't have. I'm a first time android/touch screen user so bear with me.
I was trying to S-off my phone (alrady rooted- after several tries) but I downloaded the juopunutbear zip file on my phone. I mistakenly loaded it via the CWM recovery and now the screen is stuck on that juopunutbear image.
I have tried to flash my rom because I thought it was just a boot loop, but nothing happened. I NEED some advice please don't tell me I bricked it. :crying:
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if you can boot into bootloader then you are not bricked
secondly what do you mean by juopunutbear.zip and from where?
edit:you said that you are already rooted
which means that you have unlocked bootloader from htcdev site am i right?

Yes it was already unlock from HTC dev, but I was trying to get S- off using the wire trick method. In reading the Jounutbear guide thread it directed u to a link which has the zip file which I should have run on my pc but I had mistakenly installed it from my sd card and now it isn't going furthuer than that screen. I now can't using the Jbear exe bcuz it not recogining it.
I don't really want to keep adding my nonsense to the thread how can I PM someone for help.

man+droid said:
Yes it was already unlock from HTC dev, but I was trying to get S- off using the wire trick method. In reading the Jounutbear guide thread it directed u to a link which has the zip file which I should have run on my pc but I had mistakenly installed it from my sd card and now it isn't going furthuer than that screen. I now can't using the Jbear exe bcuz it not recogining it.
I don't really want to keep adding my nonsense to the thread how can I PM someone for help.
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do this
install 4ext recovery
enable smartflash from it
flash the rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861

I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.

man+droid said:
I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.
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that's weird
did you perform a full wipe(from recovery) before flashing the rom?
also as long as you are on S-ON use 4ext recovery to flash the rom
and before flashing the rom enable smartflash from 4ext
if you have done all the above then use a ruu.exe to return to stock condition
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672425

Well that thread seems to be a mouth full remember I'm a noob. But I will try and read that again to get what it really says. It seems though that it was a complex instruction how to get back to the stock rom? Isn't there a file for that I can download. I get to doing that RUU thing to see if it works tho

man+droid said:
Well that thread seems to be a mouth full remember I'm a noob. But I will try and read that again to get what it really says. It seems though that it was a complex instruction how to get back to the stock rom? Isn't there a file for that I can download. I get to doing that RUU thing to see if it works tho
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i saw your post in the other thread
you managed to install 4ext
now try to flash a custom rom
before flashing the rom enable smartflash from 4ext

Hey guys good news
I finally got the phone to power on. I saw this thread that highlead my pro http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2284273 but I was really got the details from another forum. I don't know if I'm allowed to post it so I won't, but I'll sum it up.
All I need to do was flash the boot image on my current rom (get this from the zip file) and also flash the recovery image from a backup I had and presto.
But I'll go and follow you guys instruction about enabling the 4ext smart flash from now on. What I want to know though is for some custom roms (eg cyanogenmod 10.1) do I needs to be S-off to install it?
If so I'm still gonna try and S-off this here thingy. Givethanks y'all

man+droid said:
Hey guys good news
I finally got the phone to power on. I saw this thread that highlead my pro http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2284273 but I was really got the details from another forum. I don't know if I'm allowed to post it so I won't, but I'll sum it up.
All I need to do was flash the boot image on my current rom (get this from the zip file) and also flash the recovery image from a backup I had and presto.
But I'll go and follow you guys instruction about enabling the 4ext smart flash from now on. What I want to know though is for some custom roms (eg cyanogenmod 10.1) do I needs to be S-off to install it?
If so I'm still gonna try and S-off this here thingy. Givethanks y'all
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any ICS/JB rom you can install via enabling smartflash in 4EXT before flashing the ROM

ganeshp said:
any ICS/JB rom you can install via enabling smartflash in 4EXT before flashing the ROM
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Hey thanx for the heads up. So I'm finally s-off using the J-bear method but where unlocked use to be I'm now seeing the juopunutbear there so I got back into android but it was the old CWM that was on it how do I get back the 4ext and would that be a prob if that J name remains there tho?

man+droid said:
Hey thanx for the heads up. So I'm finally s-off using the J-bear method but where unlocked use to be I'm now seeing the juopunutbear there so I got back into android but it was the old CWM that was on it how do I get back the 4ext and would that be a prob if that J name remains there tho?
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no you are fine now
there is no problem with juopunutbear because now you have patched hboot which is unlocked
you are fine also with cwm recovery
but if you still want 4ext do only step 2 from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861

man+droid said:
I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.
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might be a bad dl. Download it again and reflash or try a different rom.

[Q] Need some adivce before rooting my DS :D

Hello,everyone
My DS(2.3.5, hboot 2.00.0002 ,locked, s-on)warranty expired recently,so I want to root my phone.Which method should I use for rooting my phone , htcdev or downgrade my hboot then root it?
Btw,I want to keep all my data in my phone , will root delete all data inside my phone? What App should I use for backup .
I'm Asian and do i need to change me locate to US or Europe ?
Any advice would be appreciated.

Read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1689631
And do NOT unlock via HTCdev! Use the Revolutionary method. You should also read the Index thread for tutorials on how to do so.
EDIT: I'm not sure about losing all your info when rooting, as I did mine a while ago, so I don't remember, sorry

+1 to the above.
Revolutionary Method is recommended to S-OFF.
Also, It is recommended that after S-OFF, you Change your Hboot to an ENG Hboot (refer INDEX).
To backup all your Apps - Titanium Backup (Pro).
To backup SMS - GO SMS Pro / SMS backup & Restore.
Contacts / Calendar can be backup via your Google Account.
{Save your contacts as Google Contacts & all your calendar entries in Google Calendar}.
Use 4EXT Recovery / CWM Recovery to backup your entire ROM (Nandroid Backup).

So...this method will delete all my data.Btw will I lose my root after I update my phone to 4.0 through ota?
Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk

If you're S-OFF & Rooted, never install the OTA update from your phone.
Why would you want to wait for the ICS OTA ?
We already have lots of ICS ROM's , based on the leaked RUU / Kernel. . .
Also, i believe , once we have the 4.0 (ICS) kernel sources, all our issues / bugs should
be ironed out. . . by our beloved Dev's.

If I'm not mistaken, you'll get stuck in a bootloop if you do any ota updates. So DON'T ever do any ota updates when you're rooted/S-off.
EDIT: Tapur007 beat me to it He's right though.

I see,then I will.root after.the.ota ,because I.want to try it
Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk

You may have issues gaining True S-OFF after OTA.
As of now ,revolutionary only supports 0.98.XXXX Hboots.
I'd suggest you to Root & S-OFF your phone using revolutionary & then flash an ENG Hboot.
You can then try out the custom ROM's available in the Dev Section...

What should I do if I want to go back to HTC orginal Rom?
Should I use something called RUU?

Tapur007 said:
+1 to the above.
Revolutionary Method is recommended to S-OFF.
Also, It is recommended that after S-OFF, you Change your Hboot to an ENG Hboot (refer INDEX).
To backup all your Apps - Titanium Backup (Pro).
To backup SMS - GO SMS Pro / SMS backup & Restore.
Contacts / Calendar can be backup via your Google Account.
{Save your contacts as Google Contacts & all your calendar entries in Google Calendar}.
Use 4EXT Recovery / CWM Recovery to backup your entire ROM (Nandroid Backup).
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Great guide! Dilemma is that TiBackup doesn't work without root... so you're kinda stuck in a situation where you can't back up until you've rooted, but at risk of losing data when you're doing it...
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kalvin807 said:
What should I do if I want to go back to HTC orginal Rom?
Should I use something called RUU?
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Yes, after flashing ENG bootloader to replace the Revolutionary one (which doesn't allow you to flash RUUs)
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Tapur007 said:
You may have issues gaining True S-OFF after OTA.
As of now ,revolutionary only supports 0.98.XXXX Hboots.
I'd suggest you to Root & S-OFF your phone using revolutionary & then flash an ENG Hboot.
You can then try out the custom ROM's available in the Dev Section...
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Partially yes... because most OTAs have the new v2.00.xxxx bootloader that revolutionary doesn't support (yet).
To counter that, you CAN downgrade the OTA back to original version using some clever RUU / adb tools, but its not the noobproof way forward.
My advice would be if you want to try a Sense 3.0 ROM, then just S-OFF / root and use one from the forum. (Chances are they'll be better updated with more features and with have none of the carrier branded bloatware).
Plus, you'll get access to the Sense 3.5 ROMs (Endymion! is the most flashed one), Sense 3.6 ROMs (before HTC and carriers even release it on OTAs), Sense 4.0 ROMs (which HTC will probably never release) and AOSP / CM / AOKP ROMs (the way Android should have been released without HTC butchering it with Sense)

anchemis said:
... and AOSP / CM / AOKP ROMs (the way Android should have been released without HTC butchering it with Sense)
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Not yet another Sense bashing. You want to keep the thread informative - fine, I see you have lots of energy to waste on those who don't want to read guides (it'll fade pretty soon, when you'll realize that lazy "I-can't-read-a-thread-on-front-page-with-the-same-title-so-I'll-post-another-one" types don't end, and the time you spend on long answers that in the best case repeat detailed already-posted guides is pretty much wasted). But save your Sense bashing to Sense-bashing threads, where other people would counter that. If HTC and Samsung didn't create the skins to hide the ugliness and lack of usability of stock-like Android - many people wouldn't be touching Android, most likely myself included.

No app for non-root phone to backup app+data ?! D:

I looked many post and found that the disadvantage of using Htcdev is my warranty will gone.However,my DS warranty expired now and htcdev is easier than downgrade h-boot.
What should I do now?

I'd still suggest you to downgrade & S-OFF & then flash an ENG Hboot.
Cuz, if you unlock via HTC Dev , each time you flash a custom ROM , you need to flash the kernel (boot.img) separately !

Which guide should I follow? I found 3+ guide for teaching how to downgrade hboot

kalvin807 said:
Which guide should I follow? I found 3+ guide for teaching how to downgrade hboot
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ok now before anyone replies here.. I got the best answer for u
check this guide here I have written this guide before any newcomer(s) bricks his/her phone. Instructions are really..really simple.. if you have any questions/ doubts then just reply back/PM me . Will be happy to help you

em..........my phone still s-on,not rooted and hboot 2.0000002

kalvin807 said:
em..........my phone still s-on,not rooted and hboot 2.0000002
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is it a full stock phone? like never attempted to root/unlock/s-off it?
make sure your response are correct so that we can followup

Which stock Sensation XE rom has the least amount of bloatware?

Which stock Sensation XE rom has the least amount of bloatware?
The question pretty much sums it up. I just got a Sensation XE, Hong Kong model. It has a lot of crap software on it: youni sms, xda assistant, 通通电话，baidu, kuwo player, and all this other Chinese crap. I hate Chinese software with passion. If skynet was/is real, I believe it would be running a Chinese OS. Chinese software naturally tries to take over your computer or phone.
I want to switch to the stock rom with the least amount of junk on it. If it also has a good Chinese/English keyboard with handwriting input that is a plus.
Also, just to make sure I'm on the right track, this is what should be done before I can change roms, right?
1) Get S-off
2) Install Clockwork Mod
3) Get permanent root
4) Write super cid
5) Change Stock Rom

typci said:
Which stock Sensation XE rom has the least amount of bloatware?
The question pretty much sums it up. I just got a Sensation XE, Hong Kong model. It has a lot of crap software on it: youni sms, xda assistant, 通通电话，baidu, kuwo player, and all this other Chinese crap. I hate Chinese software with passion. If skynet was/is real, I believe it would be running a Chinese OS. Chinese software naturally tries to take over your computer or phone.
I want to switch to the stock rom with the least amount of junk on it. If it also has a good Chinese/English keyboard with handwriting input that is a plus.
Also, just to make sure I'm on the right track, this is what should be done before I can change roms, right?
1) Get S-off
2) Install Clockwork Mod
3) Get permanent root
4) Write super cid
5) Change Stock Rom
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the steps are fine ..but 3rd step is not required ...and 2)better have 4EXT recovery ..its better imho and between 4 and 5 there might be one more step ..which can only be decided after you told the current rom you are having (if running gb now ..for ICS you need to flash 3.32/3.33 firmware ..then ROM)
as for the ROM ..for simple STOCK like and fully customized with bloat removed ..try ARHD, insert coin or Elegancia

Hi,
If you go through the steps you mentioned:
1) Get S-off
2) Install Clockwork Mod (Try to get a PG58IMG.zip version of it, saves having to fastboot flash it)
3) Get permanent root
4) Write super cid
5) Change Stock Rom
You could stop at step3 and manuall delete stuff off the ROM you have. OR, what I'd probably do), and as mentioned you can skip step 3 if you're installing a new ROM. Go for a WWE (World Wide English) RUU if you want to keep completely Stock, you can then run ROMcleaner to remove some redundant crap.
Look for something like: RUU_PYRAMID_ICS_HTC_Europe_3.32.401.5_Radio_11.69. 3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M_release_246089_signed.exe
It's ICS with Sense 3.6. The 401 in the above means it's WWE and will either need SuperCID (11111111) or HTC__001, it's completely unbranded.
You can find ROMcleaner at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1217664

Thanks for the replies. I know I can root and then uninstall system apps. I don't really like doing that because you just don't know what else has been done to the rom. This Hong Kong rom won't let me use stock SMS (I know how to select default SMS program, it doesn't work on this rom) and doesn't have stock browser (it has some chinese version of Opera), is asking me if I want to invite my contacts to join all kinds of stupid networks, gets involved with my text messages, has some Chinese antivirus that keeps complaining, and all kinds of other crap. It's the worst rom I've ever seen. The WWE appears to be what I'm looking for. It's unbranded and shouldn't have carrier or region specific stuff. Youtube and other apps that don't ask me questions I can deal with.
I want root, for all of it's obvious benefits. I usually run stock, rooted and custom kernal with GPU overclock. But I'm not so sure I like sense, but I want to try a cleaner rom before I decide on sense.
I'm guessing I don't need to do the OTA update before I start the process. I also saw there were some special procedures for the latest ICS. I'll deal with that bridge when I get there. For now I just need a clean rom that doesn't bombard me with useless Chinese crap.

typci said:
Thanks for the replies. I know I can root and then uninstall system apps. I don't really like doing that because you just don't know what else has been done to the rom. This Hong Kong rom won't let me use stock SMS (I know how to select default SMS program, it doesn't work on this rom) or doesn't have stock browser (it has some chinese version of Opera), is asking me if I want to invite my contacts to join all kinds of stupid networks, gets involved with my text messages, has some Chinese antivirus that keeps complaining, and all kinds of other crap. It's the worst rom I've ever seen. The WWE appears to be what I'm looking for. It's unbranded and shouldn't have carrier or region specific stuff. Youtube and other apps that don't ask me questions I can deal with.
I want root, for all of it's obvious benefits. I usually run stock, rooted and custom kernal with GPU overclock. But I'm not so sure I like sense, but I want to try a cleaner rom before I decide on sense.
I'm guessing I don't need to do the OTA update before I start the process. I saw there were some special procedures for the latest ICS. I'll deal with that bridge when I get there. For now I just need a clean gingerbread that doesn't bombard me with useless Chinese crap.
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There are a few WWE GB ROMs out there, the one I mentioned is pretty slick as it's ICS which seems to work better IMHO.
The following is mentioned in post 1776 and there abouts in the following thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074559
http://shipped-roms.com/index.php?category=android&model=Pyramid
The OP has filefactory as the repository but it never worked for me so I gave up on it, looks like others had the same issue.
Just get a Europe one xxx.401.xxx. Avoid 1.24 if you want to go through OTA updates, I had issues with that, might have been me but .....
The ROMcleaner thing I mentioned is pretty good at removing the HTC extra stuff.
Of course, there are a few very nice custom ROMs out there. I was using Virtuous Inquisition (AOSP look and feel based on Sense but de-sensed as much as possible). I've not tried ARHD/IC and some of the others for a long time so can't comment on them.
Have fun and GL on your quest.
EDIT:
P.S. after applying the RUU you'll need to re-install CWM (again easiest was is if you have a PG58IMG.zip version of it) and then apply the root. It looks like the best root at the moment is SuperSU (reading some posts here from EddyOS).

Thanks again. I'm downloading:
RUU_PYRAMID_LE_ICS_35_S_HTC_Europe_3.32.401.105_R2_Radio_11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M_release_253443_signed.exe
Now that I look again the 3.33 version is available, I probably should have downloaded that.
I've already got: ADB drivers, HTC Sync, HTC driver, java, pg58img(recovery.img), CMW 5.0.2.0, revolutionary-0.4pre4, su-2.3.63-efgh, and the unbrick stuff in case something goes wrong. Once I finished downloading the firmware I should be ready to go. I'll double check that all the files are good, re-read all the instructional threads, and then get started. My phone doesn't have a warranty, so I have to make sure everything is done correctly the first time.
I also found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459767
Will I need to flash this as well?
HTC phones are so much more complicated compared to the other phones I've rooted and flashed. On my Huawei phone you plugged the phone in to the computer, copied two files, and you were rooted and had CWM installed.

typci said:
Thanks again. I'm downloading:
RUU_PYRAMID_LE_ICS_35_S_HTC_Europe_3.32.401.105_R2_Radio_11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M_release_253443_signed.exe
Now that I look again the 3.33 version is available, I probably should have downloaded that.
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The 3.32 contains the 1.27.0000 HBOOT which can be unlocked (just done it myself). The 3.33 contains 1.29.0000 which at the moment cannot be unlocked.
As you're already S-OFF it probably doesn't make much difference. I'm on 3.32 at the moment, I don't know what the differences are between 3.32 & 3.33, I assume minor bug fixes.
I've already got: ADB drivers, HTC Sync, HTC driver, java, pg58img(recovery.img), CMW 5.0.2.0, revolutionary-0.4pre4, su-2.3.63-efgh, and the unbrick stuff in case something goes wrong. Once I finished downloading the firmware I should be ready to go. I'll double check that all the files are good, re-read all the instructional threads, and then get started. My phone doesn't have a warranty, so I have to make sure everything is done correctly the first time.
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Unless you go back to HBOOT 1.18.00 or earlier revolutionary can't help to S-OFF, as you're already S-OFF you shouldn't need it.
Does the PG58IMG.zip you mention contain CWM 5.0.2.0 ?, I usually keep a copy about called PG58IMG-CWM5020.zip, then change the name when I want to install it. The reason I ask is that PG58IMG.zip is a generic name and can be used for many things. You'll need to pop the uSD card when it asks you to reboot.
As far as SU is concerned, look at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
I also found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459767
Will I need to flash this as well?
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No the RUU is self contained and includes the firmware/radio. You might want to install HBOOT 1.27.0011 afterwards, IRC it allows fastboot commands. I think it's in that thread.
HTC phones are so much more complicated compared to the other phones I've rooted and flashed. On my Huawei phone you plugged the phone in to the computer, copied two files, and you were rooted and had CWM installed.
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I know HTC seemed to have created hassles. I had an early Sensation and waiting for someone to work out how to S-OFF was a real pain.
GL
EDIT
REMEMBER to take a nandroid backup before you start, just in case ! Also remember that nandroid backups don't include HBOOT or Radio so if you need to revert you'd need to get them. Take a note of the existing baseband/radio & HBOOT.

gol_n_dal said:
Does the PG58IMG.zip you mention contain CWM 5.0.2.0 ?, I usually keep a copy about called PG58IMG-CWM5020.zip, then change the name when I want to install it. The reason I ask is that PG58IMG.zip is a generic name and can be used for many things. You'll need to pop the uSD card when it asks you to reboot
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I found the PG58IMG-CWM5020.zip file you were talking about. I like that idea better.
gol_n_dal said:
REMEMBER to take a nandroid backup before you start, just in case ! Also remember that nandroid backups don't include HBOOT or Radio so if you need to revert you'd need to get them. Take a note of the existing baseband/radio & HBOOT.
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Good point. I'll add that to the list of steps so I don't forget.
1) Setup ADB/fastboot
2) Get S-off
3) Install Clockwork Mod
4) Backup via CWM!!!!
5) Get permanent root
6) Write super cid
7) Change Stock Rom
Unfortunately the rom didn't download correctly, so looks like I won't be installing the rom tonight.

typci said:
I found the PG58IMG-CWM5020.zip file you were talking about. I like that idea better.
Good point. I'll add that to the list of steps so I don't forget.
1) Setup ADB/fastboot
2) Backup via ADB!!!!
3) Get S-off
4) Install Clockwork Mod
5) Backup via CWM!!!!
6) Get permanent root
7) Write super cid
8) Change Stock Rom
Unfortunately the rom didn't download correctly, so looks like I won't be installing the rom tonight.
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The nandroid backup is via ClockworkMod, not certain what you're backing up through ADB/fastboot. Guess you could get Radio/Recovery etc. Never tried it myself, I like a simple life
There is no point applying SuperSU until after you have installed the new Stock ROM. You can change the CID directly with fastboot, it doesn't need root for that.
Shame about the download, at least the steps look about right.
Eek, I thought you already had S-OFF ? What HBOOT are you on at the moment ? If it's 1.18.0000 or earlier revolutionary.io is perfect, if it's later it's a different process.
Note that when you install the new stock rom via RUUxxxx.exe, it'll splat the custom recovery so it'll need to be re-applied.

Umm, I booted into HBOOT to get my HBOOT version and at the top of the screen it says:
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT 1.17.008
RADIO-10.11.9007.15_M
That mean I already had S-OFF, right? Well that was easy.
Actually the phone was smuggled into China to avoid taxes. The sellers probably had to get S-OFF to put a Chinese language rom on there. Which also would explain all the extra bloatware, probably was installed by the same people.
Also, I wasn't able to pull the images through ADB. Have to wait until after rooted.
UPDATE: Installed CWM, backing up now, then root. So far so good. I'll probably have to settle for using Titanium Backup to remove the unwanted apps for now. The second try at downloading the RUU also failed.
UPDATE: Rooted, through it probably was already rooted. Also checked the CID and it was already 11111111. Thanks Chinese smugglers. You did all the work for me. Now to finish uninstalling all the crap you put on my phone.
So actually, the only work I did was install the SU and backup my system.

Nice to see it going smoothly for you, and remember if you want to install ics, you need to flash a ics firmware 3.32 or 3.33. Or you'll be in a boot loop.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using xda app-developers app

typci said:
Umm, I booted into HBOOT to get my HBOOT version and at the top of the screen it says:
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT 1.17.008
RADIO-10.11.9007.15_M
That mean I already had S-OFF, right? Well that was easy.
Actually the phone was smuggled into China to avoid taxes. The sellers probably had to get S-OFF to put a Chinese language rom on there. Which also would explain all the extra bloatware, probably was installed by the same people.
Also, I wasn't able to pull the images through ADB. Have to wait until after rooted.
UPDATE: Installed CWM, backing up now, then root. So far so good. I'll probably have to settle for using Titanium Backup to remove the unwanted apps for now. The second try at downloading the RUU also failed.
UPDATE: Rooted, through it probably was already rooted. Also checked the CID and it was already 11111111. Thanks Chinese smugglers. You did all the work for me. Now to finish uninstalling all the crap you put on my phone.
So actually, the only work I did was install the SU and backup my system.
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LOL
As you say that was easy.
There are other sites that you can download 3.32.401 from as it's fairly common, have a look.
As you have a nandroid backup that you can recover back to if needed you can also try ROMcleaner.
I'm going to try a Jelly Bean ROM tomorrow so my nandroid backup will be vital )
A really nice fairly lightweight ROM is Virtuous Inquisition. As I said it's AOSP look and feel but has Sense backend, it's been de-sensed as much as possible.
Anyway Have Fun.

flare4000 said:
Nice to see it going smoothly for you, and remember if you want to install ics, you need to flash a ics firmware 3.32 or 3.33. Or you'll be in a boot loop.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using xda app-developers app
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I downloaded 3.32 Europe RUU. I plan to install that tonight after work.

typci said:
I downloaded 3.32 Europe RUU. I plan to install that tonight after work.
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The RUU will contain everything you need and update firmware, Radio, Recovery, HBOOT, ..... and of course the ROM.
Remember it'll flatten the ROM so all saved messages, WiFi details etc. will be lost.
If for some reason you need to revert back to your existing ROM you'll need to downgrade the firmware to 1.17.0008, including the radio. I doubt you'll bother though when you're on 3.32.

help
Does Anyone Have
RUU PYRAMID hTC Asia WWE 1.77.708.148
???

rafael1369 said:
Does Anyone Have
RUU PYRAMID hTC Asia WWE 1.77.708.148
???
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1. Don't double post, you posted this somewhere else as well.
2. Go and look in Football's Shipped ROM Collection thread.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio Z715e using xda premium

help
I know but it's urgent
how I can upgrade my frimware to3.33.x???
I have install dark forest without upgrade my frimware but my device still in htc logo
s-on
with touch recovery
and rooted
please help mee

If it's that urgent you should spend time familiarize yourself with the search button. There is Asskicker's guide how to flash roms with s-on in the general forum. Plus I gave you a link to RUU's in the other thread you posted in.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e

matekaneve said:
If it's that urgent you should spend time familiarize yourself with the search button. There is Asskicker's guide how to flash roms with s-on in the general forum. Plus I gave you a link to RUU's in the other thread you posted in.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
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Hi
I dont understand what u saied??
What can I do?

[Q] i want to update my at&t htc one x

I have my at&t htc one x on 4.0.4, bootloader locked, hboot 1.14.0002 S-on
evita pvt ship. i bought from amazon used, how can i update from 4.0.4 to a higher firmware and if i try use software update it searches for a bit then i get error what can i do?

Do you want to stay stock or install custom ROMs? The two processes will be very different so I need to know which way you want to go before advising you.
Sent from my Evita
---------- Post added at 02:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:40 AM ----------
Also, do you have adb/fastboot installed on your PC? If not you're going to need that, Google search "xda minimal adb and fastboot" and the first result should be a thread that details how to install it easily.
Sent from my Evita

If you want to update to the latest "official" firmware, you can download the RUU at the following webpage, and follow the directions where it says "Manual system update instructions":
http://www.htc.com/us/support/htc-one-x-att/news/
This will update you to Jellybean 4.1.1, which is the latest that has been released for the AT&T version.
Be aware this will wipe any date on the phone, so backup anything you want to keep.
EDIT: As timmaaa advised below, CID needs to be verified before running the above RUU. If SuperCID is present with s-on, running the RUU will brick the device.

Hang on, we need to check his SuperCID status before he runs a jb RUU, the phone is used. We don't want a brick on our hands.
Sent from my Evita

timmaaa said:
Hang on, we need to check his SuperCID status before he runs a jb RUU, the phone is used. We don't want a brick on our hands.
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Very true. I assumed that since the phone is still bootloader LOCKED, that its bone stock (I also missed the word "used" when I read the OP). But its possible the previous owner changed the CID, but either botched the BL unlocking or didn't get that far.
I've edited my previous post accordingly, to make sure the OP doesn't damage his phone.

Yeah, previous owner could have also spoofed the bootloader text to say locked instead of relocked.
OP, get adb/organised as per my first reply and then we can check out your situation before proceeding.
Sent from my Evita

htc one x
how do u get pass the sid lock to get the slock off

DaShadow14 said:
how do u get pass the sid lock to get the slock off
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Huh? That makes absolutely no sense. If you want help please do the following:
1- Don't hijack this thread, we're already helping someone else here. Please repost your question in my q&a thread.
2- Tell me exactly what you want to achieve.
3- Tell me your bootloader details.
4- Tell me any other relevant information.
5- Do all this in clear and legible English, and be specific.
PS. There are no such things as a 'sid lock' or 'sloff', as I've said above please post in clear English using terms that actually exist.
Sent from my Evita

ok im going to try super cid do i need to root my phone 1st and i want stock unless custom is more better and stable.

Stock ROM is stable but so are custom ROMs, plus you get better features with custom ROMs. Before you do anything though you need to decide whether you want to use a stock ROM or a custom ROM. The two processes will vary greatly. Have you installed adb/fastboot like I suggested earlier?
Sent from my Evita

no i didnt get get adb or fastboot i dont know were to get it and ok i'll do custom rom.

ok im roothing and it says * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 *
* daemon started successfully *
DON'T TOUCH THE DEVICE OR UNPLUG WHILE ROOTING!
PUSH FILES
its been like this for 5mins now?

What method are you using?
Sent from my Evita

i was using a one click rooting software i deleted it i now have
onexrootattnew.zip but that doesnt want to root it either really and truly i jus wanted to update my software cuz my phone wifi range is seriously low to the point that i have to be right new to a router or 5ft away to catch signal and my bluetooth range basically is 1ft so i wanted to update to fix my problem

There's only one way you can get root. The first thing you need to do is stop getting information from other sites, they don't properly distinguish between firmware versions, and even phone models. Everything you need is here on XDA, it's the only comprehensive Android modification site available.
Click the Everything Evita link in my signature and bookmark that thread, everything you need is compiled in that thread. In that thread navigate to the root section, find the 2.20 root method. Follow the instructions in that thread and you'll have SuperCID. Then you can go to htcdev and unlock your bootloader. Once you have an unlocked bootloader you can install Superuser to root your current ROM, or you can install a custom ROM. If you need help installing a recovery or ROM just click the How-To Guide For Beginners link in my signature.
Sent from my Evita

thanks man i will try it out will get back to u by 2morrow.

my bootloader is unlocked so i can get any custom rom?

Technically, yes. But your phone still needs some updating before you can stay on a custom ROM. Your steps will be as follows:
1. Install TWRP recovery.
2. Install root via SuperSU.
3. Get s-off via Facepalm.
4. Run the 3.18 RUU (this returns your phone to stock but it's essential because this is the step that updates everything)
5. Install TWRP recovery again (official TWRP 2.6 for Sense 5 ROMs and aosp ROMs lower than 4.4, or modified TWRP 2.6.3.0 for 4.4 aosp ROMs).
6. Update firmware via 2.15 firmware package (this step is only necessary if you're planning on installing a Sense 5 ROM). You'll find it in the first post of this thread along with instructions.
7. Install whatever ROM you like.
8. Enjoy.
If you have any questions don't be afraid to ask.
Sent from my Evita

ok ill let u know when im done

Have a look at my How-To Guide For Beginners thread in my signature for detailed instructions on some of those processes.
Sent from my Evita

[Q] need help with installing custom rom on htc sensation pyramid

hi everyone
i havebeen struggling with this for 2 years now. i have HTC sensation with hboot 1.18.xxxx that i bought in 2011. after the first year i have been keen to move to a newer rom. i have tried to look up inf in xda and elsewhere and got no where with this.
i have been worried about bricking so much that i didnt try to many weird procedures. i had even tried to go through with the android revolution installation procedure but failed right on. because revolutionary does not with with my device even though thr hboot is supported.
i badly need to move to a newer jelly bean based rom or later else my device is like a stone-age crap. i sincerely request some straight forward process / guidance of getting through this without weird, wire trick etc.
i really want to keep this device instead of buying a new device for no reason. but i dont know how to start and how to end. kindly help me out.

rajdeeprath said:
hi everyone
i havebeen struggling with this for 2 years now. i have HTC sensation with hboot 1.18.xxxx that i bought in 2011. after the first year i have been keen to move to a newer rom. i have tried to look up inf in xda and elsewhere and got no where with this.
i have been worried about bricking so much that i didnt try to many weird procedures. i had even tried to go through with the android revolution installation procedure but failed right on. because revolutionary does not with with my device even though thr hboot is supported.
i badly need to move to a newer jelly bean based rom or later else my device is like a stone-age crap. i sincerely request some straight forward process / guidance of getting through this without weird, wire trick etc.
i really want to keep this device instead of buying a new device for no reason. but i dont know how to start and how to end. kindly help me out.
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1st
This is definately not the place to ask for "all inclusive help".
You should at least do some own basic researches or leave your phone as it is,
especially when you're worried about bricking your device.
There are so many excellent descriptions here, that could guide you to flash a custom rom.
2nd
If you are on hboot 1.18 you don't need to do the wire trick for s-off, just have a look at this.
If you searched a little bit, you'd find out yourself.
But even the wire trick is nothing "bad", I did it on 6 devices till now.
I'd like to encourage you to simply read/search a little bit more here in the forums before coming back and asking for help.

tom0769 said:
1st
This is definately not the place to ask for "all inclusive help".
You should at least do some own basic researches or leave your phone as it is,
especially when you're worried about bricking your device.
There are so many excellent descriptions here, that could guide you to flash a custom rom.
2nd
If you are on hboot 1.18 you don't need to do the wire trick for s-off, just have a look at this.
If you searched a little bit, you'd find out yourself.
But even the wire trick is nothing "bad", I did it on 6 devices till now.
I'd like to encourage you to simply read/search a little bit more here in the forums before coming back and asking for help.
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thanks for the reply. as i mentioned revolutionary does NOT work for me. it says failed to get root. i have already tried those things about 8 times now and it didnt work for me. thats why i have posted here for help.
using htcdev i know i can try to unlock but it wont soff. so i dont know if that will help me or not.

rajdeeprath said:
thanks for the reply. as i mentioned revolutionary does NOT work for me. it says failed to get root. i have already tried those things about 8 times now and it didnt work for me. thats why i have posted here for help.
using htcdev i know i can try to unlock but it wont soff. so i dont know if that will help me or not.
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Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2751187 to gain S-OFF. Don't worry about the htcdev part.
I did it on a complete stock sensation xe with hboot 1.27 or 1.29 (can't remember exactly).
Just use the temp root and rumrunner.
For any information read the thread first, before asking.
Also this thread should be moved, because it doesn't belong into the development section.

Sajito said:
Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2751187 to gain S-OFF. Don't worry about the htcdev part.
I did it on a complete stock sensation xe with hboot 1.27 or 1.29 (can't remember exactly).
Just use the temp root and rumrunner.
For any information read the thread first, before asking.
Also this thread should be moved, because it doesn't belong into the development section.
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thanks i will try to read up and post back if needed. Admin please move the thread to appropriate category.

Sajito said:
Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2751187 to gain S-OFF. Don't worry about the htcdev part.
I did it on a complete stock sensation xe with hboot 1.27 or 1.29 (can't remember exactly).
Just use the temp root and rumrunner.
For any information read the thread first, before asking.
Also this thread should be moved, because it doesn't belong into the development section.
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i went through the thread again and again but still find it somewhat confusing. I cant seem to separate the temproot process start and end in there. can someone outline just the temproot procedure and the pre-requisite for it ?
Does temproot require controlbear files ? rumrunner site says it requires a htc dev unlocked device. is that a must ?

rajdeeprath said:
i went through the thread again and again but still find it somewhat confusing. I cant seem to separate the temproot process start and end in there. can someone outline just the temproot procedure and the pre-requisite for it ?
Does temproot require controlbear files ? rumrunner site says it requires a htc dev unlocked device. is that a must ?
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I'm not 100% sure about the exact steps anymore, but you don't need Controlbear, you just need the temp root.
When you have temp root, run rumrunner and follow the instructions.
I said read the thread, cause it might be possible that you get the message that it didn't work, while it actually did work.
You'll get everything needed in the thread. Otherwise just ask.

Sajito said:
I'm not 100% sure about the exact steps anymore, but you don't need Controlbear, you just need the temp root.
When you have temp root, run rumrunner and follow the instructions.
I said read the thread, cause it might be possible that you get the message that it didn't work, while it actually did work.
You'll get everything needed in the thread. Otherwise just ask.
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Seriously dont know if i am plain unlucky or topic are not very useful for a newbie.
1. Revolutionary failed
2. i did temp root + rumrunner - failed (image attached)
I wonder if my device was not made on this earth or something. Just simply soff. Also dont know if i cant install a JB rom on this without soff safely.

rajdeeprath said:
Seriously dont know if i am plain unlucky or topic are not very useful for a newbie.
1. Revolutionary failed
2. i did temp root + rumrunner - failed (image attached)
I wonder if my device was not made on this earth or something. Just simply soff. Also dont know if i cant install a JB rom on this without soff safely.
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What firmware and hboot do you have?

My rom is gingerbread stock version 1.52.xxxx and hboot is 1.18.0000

rajdeeprath said:
My rom is gingerbread stock version 1.52.xxxx and hboot is 1.18.0000
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do you have sdk tools installed?(adb/fastboot)
also check if usb debugging mode is ticked

oh! hello again hope you are great.
yes i have adb setup properly. i do android dev so all development tools are setup properly. htc drivers are installed htc sync has been uninstalled.
i have tried on windows 8 and windows 7 pcs.

rajdeeprath said:
oh! hello again hope you are great.
yes i have adb setup properly. i do android dev so all development tools are setup properly. htc drivers are installed htc sync has been uninstalled.
i have tried on windows 8 and windows 7 pcs.
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if revolutionary.io method doesn't work then try to update officially
see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672425
then try with juopunutbear or rumrunner method again

rajdeeprath said:
My rom is gingerbread stock version 1.52.xxxx and hboot is 1.18.0000
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One thing you could do is:
- get your phone updated to ICS (OTA over device settings) to get the latest firmware/hboot on it
- HTC Dev unlock your device (nothing complicated, you need to have fastboot running)
- Install/flash latest 4ext recovery (once more via fastboot) and enable smart flash option
Now in recovery with updated firmware/hboot make a nandroid backup and flash almost every rom you like.
In first place I'd not flash a CM12 rom.

tom0769 said:
One thing you could do is:
- get your phone updated to ICS (OTA over device settings) to get the latest firmware/hboot on it
- HTC Dev unlock your device (nothing complicated, you need to have fastboot running)
- Install/flash latest 4ext recovery (once more via fastboot) and enable smart flash option
Now in recovery with updated firmware/hboot make a nandroid backup and flash almost every rom you like.
In first place I'd not flash a CM12 rom.
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firstly thank you very much for continuing to show hope. appreciate that. tell me thiss. i have a ota pending which i haven't gone for yet.
4.0 update sense 3.6 system upgrade 3.33.720.6
see attached image.
i never did that cause not everyone on htc blog had a good experience. Should i do that now ? will that help me move forward? will i be able to install android revolution or vipers or cyanogenmod after this? will i be able to soff?
i understand 3.33 is ics firmware ? right? what if i wish to go for jellybean ?
thanks

rajdeeprath said:
firstly thank you very much for continuing to show hope. appreciate that. tell me thiss. i have a ota pending which i haven't gone for yet.
4.0 update sense 3.6 system upgrade 3.33.720.6
see attached image.
i never did that cause not everyone on htc blog had a good experience. Should i do that now ? will that help me move forward? will i be able to install android revolution or vipers or cyanogenmod after this? will i be able to soff?
i understand 3.33 is ics firmware ? right? what if i wish to go for jellybean ?
thanks
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since you update to ics you will be able to flash every ics/jb/kk/lp custom rom you like

so should i go ahead with the official ics update?

It's up to you.
Might be you're just satisfied with your new ICS firmware.
If you want to go further, unlock and custom recovery is an quite easy step.
For custom rom s-off is not necessarily needed.
Sent from my Sensation using XDA Free mobile app

rajdeeprath said:
so should i go ahead with the official ics update?
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If you do the update, try again with rumrunner after it has finished.

Thanks. I updated to ICS and did a full factory reset. The device seems to be quiet smooth compared to GB though. The next update i do will be using what you suggested. Without SOFF flashing a custom rom.
When i get there i will message back on this thread. Going to test drive this ICS now for a while.time.