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Is there any possibility to load Windows 7 standalone on Asus Transformer or better still have the option for Dual boot Windows 7 along with Honeycomb?
From what I've read windows 7 currently is impossible but may be possible on future windows iterations. Ubuntu is a possibility tho ..... see separate threads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows#Windows_8
I don't know about Windows 7, however Windows 8 has already been demonstrated running on a Tegra 2 processor. So it may be a possibility for the Transformer. A beta is rumored to be available in September 2011.
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From what I've read windows 7 currently is impossible but may be possible on future windows iterations. Ubuntu is a possibility tho ..... see separate threads.
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^This You can't run Win7 on arm
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Is there any possibility to load Windows 7 standalone on Asus Transformer or better still have the option for Dual boot Windows 7 along with Honeycomb?
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Search? This question has been answered at least 20 times.
lost101 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows#Windows_8
I don't know about Windows 7, however Windows 8 has already been demonstrated running on a Tegra 2 processor. So it may be a possibility for the Transformer. A beta is rumored to be available in September 2011.
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And when it does become available, it will be largely useless. Do you think that the wealth of Windows apps are suddenly going to work in an ARM version of Windows 8? Think again. Every single app on Windows is compiled for the x86/x64 bytecode and will have to be recompiled for the ARM instruction set.
MS would be better off developing a tablet version of Windows Phone 7 and forget about squishing a desktop OS onto a tablet.
Trouble is, WinPhone requires a total rewrite of your apps. In theory, WinARM would at least be compatible at the source level. The idea isn't to run existing apps but to make porting them as painless as possible. Assuming WinARM is targeted at tablets (and not, for example, desktops/laptops with nVidia's Denver chip), developers would have to do nothing more than write a new UI and recompile (and as .NET already runs on a VM, x86-ARM differences shouldn't be much of an issue).
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Can you provide me atleast 10 links out of 20, Mr. Search Master? As i could not find it ...
Thanks guys for clearing the doubt, i hope windows 8, comes out soon for Tegra 2 devices.
Unlike Linux, recompiling Win apps for the ARM is not easy do to x86 hooks that are incorporated. Think directx, activex, etc.
True but if you are using .Net Framework it should not be that painful. I had some of my WinForms apps working in mono in no time. I have not tried with WPF yet but it is on my list.
So as long as the Framework supports it, open the solution, rebuild it and run.
At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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How are you going to pocket a 10 inch tablet?
RT is like android and iOS. Price is like your desktop windows. There is a world of difference. RT wont run PC apps, only metro apps. I expect the pro will run metro apps so the all in one you want is the Pro.
That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
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There is a world of difference. RT wont run PC apps, only metro apps.
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Your post is off-topic. The OP is comparing WinRT v WP8 and not WinRT v Windows 8.
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At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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windows mobile was suppose to be that merger back in 2005 but that failed horribly
maybe someone will make an app for windows8 that will provide voip calling
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That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
Your post is off-topic. The OP is comparing WinRT v WP8 and not WinRT v Windows 8.
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Doh. My bad.. I was thinking of Windows pro 8 not phone 8
Bie!
RT is slimmer and consumes less operational power. It will be limited to Metro apps.
W8 requires more computing power and is more bulky than the previously mentioned. It will have the ability to run both Metro apps and standard windows compatible programs.
Windows phone 8 not windows pro 8
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part of the confusion is OP's fault for using "Windows RT" and then "WP" which can be seen as both Windows Phone 8 and Windows Pro 8.
anyway I guess windows phone 8 won't have a desktop but I haven't looked at any of the windows phone 8 stuff yet.
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That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
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Other than the totally different UI? I think they still have some differences and it's only the kernel that's the same right now.
I guess with W9/WP9 those differences will also go away and it really would be just a UI that works better on a smaller device.
The licensing costs for OEMs would still be different somehow. It's too expensive anyway. They're overcharging for the winrt license and then they also make 20-30% of sales on their app store (which with windows devices could end up being a lot more than the license)
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part of the confusion is OP's fault for using "Windows RT" and then "WP" which can be seen as both Windows Phone 8 and Windows Pro 8.
anyway I guess windows phone 8 won't have a desktop but I haven't looked at any of the windows phone 8 stuff yet.
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Thanks to all for replies. I thought Windows Phone 8 is (officially?) abbreviated WP8 while Windows 8 is abbreviated W8. I've never seen Windows 8 as WP anywhere else. WP can now be read as Windows Phone and Windows Pro!?
However I recognize the confusion, and rather than take that blame you want to attribute to me, I wonder if this is more further confusion created by Microsoft. Windows Phone --> WPH
Basically I wonder why they don't launch one OS to serves both phones and tablets? It seems RT and the WPH OS could be merged beyond just the kernel. The RT seems to have essentially everything except the phone functionality... Would generate more interesting integrated devices. How about a 7'' RT with phone ability, for example.
WinRT WILL have the desktop, unlike Windows Phone 8. It WILL do almost everything that Windows 8 can and more - except it won't run x86/x64 compiled programs, but will have device encryption instead of drive encryption. To see what Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro and Windows RT are capable of find the Microsoft comparison table in one of their public announcements.
Stop speculating, find the facts.
As pointed out already, the differences would be different, even if they seem very close as os
I would add, also, that the WP had to call the module, which certainly will not have the tablet with Windows 8 RT (up to Skype, but also through non-cellular data network
So bottom line, WinRT is in the middle of WP8 and W8?
With the lack of Metro apps as of right now, I'm a little bit worried that if I buy a WinRT Surface that I will be having a hard time finding quality apps, does anyone agree?
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So bottom line, WinRT is in the middle of WP8 and W8?
With the lack of Metro apps as of right now, I'm a little bit worried that if I buy a WinRT Surface that I will be having a hard time finding quality apps, does anyone agree?
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No. There are big and small differences. For the average person, having a Windows RT device means they can't run their normal Windows programs and IT departments won't be able to integrate Windows RT devices with their Active Directory forests like they will be able to do with Windows 8 Pro machines, but they'll be able to make Metro apps available (or install them on) to Windows Phone 8 and at the very least Windows 9 Pro machines, possibly Windows RT, this part is a bit vague.
With 100,000 apps there are plenty to choose from ! How many apps on Play and the App Store are just rewrites by another wannabe rich dev copying someone elses idea ? Or a paid version and a free version and HD version and a HD free version with limited content ? When I first got my Android phone, there were only around 100,000 apps to iOS's nearly 400,000 and now Android has well over 600,000 less than 2 years on! MS are trying to make it easy for iOS and Android Devs to port their apps, which will hopefully encourage app growth.
With the same Metro Apps being available on Windows Phone 8, Windows RT and Windows 8 (and backwards compatible with Windows Phone 7 if the developer so chooses!) I can't see a problem. The unifying of Windows starts now people, before the iOS/OS X eventual merger in 2-3 years time and imo better than Android. Stop pissing into the wind, speculating and do some actual research on the subject.
A year ago the argument FOR wp7 was "I don't need all those apps, my os has facebook baked in."
Now, the idea that wp8 can share apps with w8 might be getting devs interested ?
Ill bet the devs are waiting to see the w8 app store functioning before they sink money into the platform.
Windows RT has a Desktop.
They are essentially the same thing, but then again so is Windows 8 and Windows RT, they just run on different architectures.
There are lots of differences, Windows RT is semi mobile whiles windows phone is fully fledged mobile OS but I suspect they will merge it in the future.Windows 9 and Wp9
But the main reason I suspect they didn't do it was because of the apps
Windows phone even though it has 120,000 apps after 2 years and is struggling to get apps, Windows 8 already has some 9,000 apps.The shear reason that Windows 8 and Windows RT can both run Metro apps means WIndows RT it will get developer attention, that wouldn't have happened if they went with Windows Phone /WIndows RT .
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I don't get the compaints with lack of apps... they are doing the best they can in terms of getting apps. Just last week there were 5000 apps, by Friday there were over 9000 apps already. Its not ideal but they are doing a tremendous job..
http://www.neowin.net/news/report-over-9000-windows-8-apps-for-launch-day
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/Press/2012/Jul12/07-16OfficePR.aspx
The just announced Office will be included in RT version, office applications on Android Or iOS always felt a little short....this try from MS could actually make it work.
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http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/Press/2012/Jul12/07-16OfficePR.aspx
The just announced Office will be included in RT version, office applications on Android Or iOS always felt a little short....this try from MS could actually make it work.
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Hi, I have been trying to find the answer to this question without any luck. I currently have an asus transformer prime and tried all the office compatible apps out there and they just don't cut it. The main thing I need is to be able to run Excel with Macros which apparently no one offers on any tablet, ios or android.
Has it been announced that the office running on the surface Rt will support Macro's. Sorry if this was asked somewhere but I can't find it.
Thanks...
For android and iOS Office you won't find things like that even the presentation in PPT can't as customizable as Windows or mac's Office does, sorry for that but you should have a desktop OS to handle this kind of stuffs
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midi_1996 said:
For android and iOS Office you won't find things like that even the presentation in PPT can't as customizable as Windows or mac's Office does, sorry for that but you should have a desktop OS to handle this kind of stuffs
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I was aware that android and IOS Apps for office would not handle Macros, that is why I asked if they would run on the surface. A desktop solution does not work for someone that needs a tablet while on sales calls that uses excel.
Is there anyone out there that knows if the office 2013 that is included on the surface rt tablet will run macros. Thanks...
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I was aware that android and IOS Apps for office would not handle Macros, that is why I asked if they would run on the surface. A desktop solution does not work for someone that needs a tablet while on sales calls that uses excel.
Is there anyone out there that knows if the office 2013 that is included on the surface rt tablet will run macros. Thanks...
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I will answer my own question, looks like surface tablet is going to come with a preview edition of office that won't support macros and vba support.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/7/3225165/office-2013-rt-macro-vba-add-in-features-support
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I will answer my own question, looks like surface tablet is going to come with a preview edition of office that won't support macros and vba support.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/7/3225165/office-2013-rt-macro-vba-add-in-features-support
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that sucks.
but i had made up my mind that if i was to get the surface, it would be the pro version.
gonna replace my tablet and laptop with it.
gibson7 said:
that sucks.
but i had made up my mind that if i was to get the surface, it would be the pro version.
gonna replace my tablet and laptop with it.
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I think I will definitely get a pro version too, but my question is there will be quite a few tablets available around 10/26 from different manufacturers, I don't know If I could hold out for surface that won't arrive for 90 days later. Is there anything that special in surface pro that we should wait...
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I will answer my own question, looks like surface tablet is going to come with a preview edition of office that won't support macros and vba support.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/7/3225165/office-2013-rt-macro-vba-add-in-features-support
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It comes down to the architecture. They just didn't build a "full blown" office for it. If you want/need this functionality on a tablet, get the Pro version and just install Office.
Hi all. Im sure that Surface is powerful device.I am a developer and I use VS and SQL server.I'm asking to you guys that surface can work well? I mean,for instance,Im working on a project on my desktop with these programs,can I be able to run my project in surface perfectly?
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I'm almost sure that you won't be able to use those on the RT ARM version (AFAIK there aren't even ARM versions of VS and MSSQL, at the moment).
Also, Visual Studio is something badly heavy... so I doubt that they will compile it for the ARM tablet.
About the x86 Surface, well, it's an Core i5, 64bits! There will run almost everything.
If it works on any windows 8 i5 laptop, it will work in surface pro. Avoid surface RT like the plague though.
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If it works on any windows 8 i5 laptop, it will work in surface pro. Avoid surface RT like the plague though.
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Maybe in the future there might be an Visual Studio Express addition for Windows RT.
They managed to port entire kernal from x86 to ARM and VS is a x86.
But the biggest problem is probably legacy DLLs and realy old stuff, that is probably not ported to new core OS.
That means, Microsoft needs to figure out, how to enable ARM desktop development without those old stuff.
I think this is the primary reason, why Windows RT desktop isn't opened for 3rd party developers.
They probably rewrote only specific DLLs to ARM, just enough to make Office work.
I wish, but however seems very unlikely! Personally wouldn't want to use a tablet to code on anyways. but would be fun for little things!
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Hi all. Im sure that Surface is powerful device.I am a developer and I use VS and SQL server.I'm asking to you guys that surface can work well? I mean,for instance,Im working on a project on my desktop with these programs,can I be able to run my project in surface perfectly?
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Well you can use visual studio for windows 8, and then compile it for ARM, using the remote debugger which you install on windows RT. But it can only develop metro apps.
The only way to use VS and MS SQL on Surface RT at the moment is via Remote Desktop
Surface Pro will run everything (though of course it's thicker, heavier, and won't last as long on battery).
I use RemoteApps for SQL Server Management Server, IIS, and more. It works beautifully.
I haven't tried Visual Studio yet.
Thank you OP. I wanted to ask the same question. In addition to that, does the W8 RT have an emulator to mount .img's? If so, you can use the 2008 Visual Studios image file. it works well with my android tab
Hi guys, i am just wondering how the things going with the legacy apps/software on Surface?
Is it possible to run any apps/software on Surface which are running under xp/vista/w7/w8 ?
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Hi guys, i am just wondering how the things going with the legacy apps/software on Surface?
Is it possible to run any apps/software on Surface which are running under xp/vista/w7/w8 ?
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No, it is not possible to run legacy apps. Eventually we may be able to run recompiled versions of these apps, but an app from xp will not run on the surface at any point without at least first being compiled for arm
It will run on surface pro, not surface rt
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It will run on surface pro, not surface rt
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Aha, that is sounds good.
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-us/surface-with-windows-8-pro/home - future version will do run legacy apps.
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/surface-with-windows-rt/home - current version is lucking that.
For me it is looks like MS released useless device, because as a Surface user if I am not able to run legacy apps - such device is completely useless
Yes it may be all right for HoseWife users but for Experienced users such device is completely rubbish.
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Yes it may be all right for HoseWife users but for Experienced users such device is completely rubbish.
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If you were an experienced user, you would have known what Windows RT was about without having to ask.
I can do plenty of real world work using the Surface, because I use it as a companion device to better equipped machines.
I am a IT professional, but I would not trade the battery life of the ARM based Surface with the power of an Intel based Surface Pro.
Just because something doesn't suit your purposes, doesn't make it rubbish!
As it is, by coming onto this forum making posts such as yours, you're just a troll.
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Yes it may be all right for HoseWife users but for Experienced users such device is completely rubbish.
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From the man who has owned 2 Motorola Razrs and a Siemens mobile phone. :highfive:
zing
Thank you guys for your replies.
But I would of thought that real man users would of guess that after "30th December 2012 at 11:41 AM" the question is kind of closed
Anyway I completely agree and it is exactly what I meant - if something is rubbish to me it is doesn't mean that it is nor rubbish for everybody.
Have a fun with your Surface RT if you already got one.
As for me I rather would wait unitl Pro ver released, but still not sure yet if I can by that because may be I am sill not experienced enough.
May be before to by Pro I need to by 5 iPhones, 10 iPads and some Galaxy tabls so I can put that phones in to my signature to look like a real man.
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Anyway I completely agree and it is exactly what I meant - if something is rubbish to me it is doesn't mean that it is nor rubbish for everybody.
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May be before to by Pro I need to by 5 iPhones, 10 iPads and some Galaxy tabls so I can put that phones in to my signature to look like a real man.
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if it was what you meant you wouldn't have called everyone housewife users.
You don't need a million devices, just expect an insult back when you are criticizing other users for their choice of tablet
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Thank you guys for your replies.
But I would of thought that real man users would of guess that after "30th December 2012 at 11:41 AM" the question is kind of closed
Anyway I completely agree and it is exactly what I meant - if something is rubbish to me it is doesn't mean that it is nor rubbish for everybody.
Have a fun with your Surface RT if you already got one.
As for me I rather would wait unitl Pro ver released, but still not sure yet if I can by that because may be I am sill not experienced enough.
May be before to by Pro I need to by 5 iPhones, 10 iPads and some Galaxy tabls so I can put that phones in to my signature to look like a real man.
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Mate the issue is your calling us housewives and inferring your an experienced professional user. Surface with windows rt has been announced for quite some time as an IT professional I've known full well it is an arm device which would require special apps so don't go calling me a housewife and making out your an experienced user, your simply not that smart.
I purchased my Surface RT due to the incredible battery life and the fact I can use this device to guide almost any user with windows 7/8 very easily. Full fledged remote desktop and office applications right out of the box is fantastic.
Perfect companion device for an IT professional. I'd say the housewives would be happy to stick with their ipads
The fact that I can use tablet style apps, run a full desktop environment, run a command line, and run remote desktops is exactly what I want out of a tablet. I don't need to run legacy apps when I have two other desktops and a laptop, all with remote desktop capability. For me, the pro version would be nice but the cost is too high. In addition to the cost of a pro surface, I would still need to buy a license for office.
I am a 22 year IT veteran and have used every version of Windows since version 2.11. I would hardly call myself a "housewife" user and I am very happy with my surface. I wouldn't mind running legacy apps but I certainly don't need to.