At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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How are you going to pocket a 10 inch tablet?
RT is like android and iOS. Price is like your desktop windows. There is a world of difference. RT wont run PC apps, only metro apps. I expect the pro will run metro apps so the all in one you want is the Pro.
That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
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There is a world of difference. RT wont run PC apps, only metro apps.
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Your post is off-topic. The OP is comparing WinRT v WP8 and not WinRT v Windows 8.
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At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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windows mobile was suppose to be that merger back in 2005 but that failed horribly
maybe someone will make an app for windows8 that will provide voip calling
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That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
Your post is off-topic. The OP is comparing WinRT v WP8 and not WinRT v Windows 8.
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Doh. My bad.. I was thinking of Windows pro 8 not phone 8
Bie!
RT is slimmer and consumes less operational power. It will be limited to Metro apps.
W8 requires more computing power and is more bulky than the previously mentioned. It will have the ability to run both Metro apps and standard windows compatible programs.
Windows phone 8 not windows pro 8
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part of the confusion is OP's fault for using "Windows RT" and then "WP" which can be seen as both Windows Phone 8 and Windows Pro 8.
anyway I guess windows phone 8 won't have a desktop but I haven't looked at any of the windows phone 8 stuff yet.
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That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
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Other than the totally different UI? I think they still have some differences and it's only the kernel that's the same right now.
I guess with W9/WP9 those differences will also go away and it really would be just a UI that works better on a smaller device.
The licensing costs for OEMs would still be different somehow. It's too expensive anyway. They're overcharging for the winrt license and then they also make 20-30% of sales on their app store (which with windows devices could end up being a lot more than the license)
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part of the confusion is OP's fault for using "Windows RT" and then "WP" which can be seen as both Windows Phone 8 and Windows Pro 8.
anyway I guess windows phone 8 won't have a desktop but I haven't looked at any of the windows phone 8 stuff yet.
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Thanks to all for replies. I thought Windows Phone 8 is (officially?) abbreviated WP8 while Windows 8 is abbreviated W8. I've never seen Windows 8 as WP anywhere else. WP can now be read as Windows Phone and Windows Pro!?
However I recognize the confusion, and rather than take that blame you want to attribute to me, I wonder if this is more further confusion created by Microsoft. Windows Phone --> WPH
Basically I wonder why they don't launch one OS to serves both phones and tablets? It seems RT and the WPH OS could be merged beyond just the kernel. The RT seems to have essentially everything except the phone functionality... Would generate more interesting integrated devices. How about a 7'' RT with phone ability, for example.
WinRT WILL have the desktop, unlike Windows Phone 8. It WILL do almost everything that Windows 8 can and more - except it won't run x86/x64 compiled programs, but will have device encryption instead of drive encryption. To see what Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro and Windows RT are capable of find the Microsoft comparison table in one of their public announcements.
Stop speculating, find the facts.
As pointed out already, the differences would be different, even if they seem very close as os
I would add, also, that the WP had to call the module, which certainly will not have the tablet with Windows 8 RT (up to Skype, but also through non-cellular data network
So bottom line, WinRT is in the middle of WP8 and W8?
With the lack of Metro apps as of right now, I'm a little bit worried that if I buy a WinRT Surface that I will be having a hard time finding quality apps, does anyone agree?
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So bottom line, WinRT is in the middle of WP8 and W8?
With the lack of Metro apps as of right now, I'm a little bit worried that if I buy a WinRT Surface that I will be having a hard time finding quality apps, does anyone agree?
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No. There are big and small differences. For the average person, having a Windows RT device means they can't run their normal Windows programs and IT departments won't be able to integrate Windows RT devices with their Active Directory forests like they will be able to do with Windows 8 Pro machines, but they'll be able to make Metro apps available (or install them on) to Windows Phone 8 and at the very least Windows 9 Pro machines, possibly Windows RT, this part is a bit vague.
With 100,000 apps there are plenty to choose from ! How many apps on Play and the App Store are just rewrites by another wannabe rich dev copying someone elses idea ? Or a paid version and a free version and HD version and a HD free version with limited content ? When I first got my Android phone, there were only around 100,000 apps to iOS's nearly 400,000 and now Android has well over 600,000 less than 2 years on! MS are trying to make it easy for iOS and Android Devs to port their apps, which will hopefully encourage app growth.
With the same Metro Apps being available on Windows Phone 8, Windows RT and Windows 8 (and backwards compatible with Windows Phone 7 if the developer so chooses!) I can't see a problem. The unifying of Windows starts now people, before the iOS/OS X eventual merger in 2-3 years time and imo better than Android. Stop pissing into the wind, speculating and do some actual research on the subject.
A year ago the argument FOR wp7 was "I don't need all those apps, my os has facebook baked in."
Now, the idea that wp8 can share apps with w8 might be getting devs interested ?
Ill bet the devs are waiting to see the w8 app store functioning before they sink money into the platform.
Windows RT has a Desktop.
They are essentially the same thing, but then again so is Windows 8 and Windows RT, they just run on different architectures.
There are lots of differences, Windows RT is semi mobile whiles windows phone is fully fledged mobile OS but I suspect they will merge it in the future.Windows 9 and Wp9
But the main reason I suspect they didn't do it was because of the apps
Windows phone even though it has 120,000 apps after 2 years and is struggling to get apps, Windows 8 already has some 9,000 apps.The shear reason that Windows 8 and Windows RT can both run Metro apps means WIndows RT it will get developer attention, that wouldn't have happened if they went with Windows Phone /WIndows RT .
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I don't get the compaints with lack of apps... they are doing the best they can in terms of getting apps. Just last week there were 5000 apps, by Friday there were over 9000 apps already. Its not ideal but they are doing a tremendous job..
http://www.neowin.net/news/report-over-9000-windows-8-apps-for-launch-day
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Because I know they made it to tablets and PC
Does it even possible?
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Because I know they made it to tablets and PC
Does it even possible?
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No, it isn't possible. The TF2 on the other hand should be able to handle it just fine.
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never say never !! They alredy showd a demo on a Tegra2 tablet
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No, it isn't possible. The TF2 on the other hand should be able to handle it just fine.
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Can you back up what you saying. Is it because you say so? Do you have any links or so to backup your comment? I thought it doesnt need much resources or much lesser as win 7. Even the older intel atom silicons will run on it and with 1 gig ram. If I am wrong please correct me
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Can you back up what you saying. Is it because you say so? Do you have any links or so to backup your comment? I thought it doesnt need much resources or much lesser as win 7. Even the older intel atom silicons will run on it and with 1 gig ram. If I am wrong please correct me
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Just what i am thinking
Would be cool to have some programs that haven't got a open source counter part
But then the next question would be how to have Android Ubuntu and windows 8 lol
I'd probably choose Ubuntu if couldn't have all three windows is what the desktops for after all
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It's not likely to happen unless Microsoft decides to offer an OEM installer of the tablet version of the OS. The current state of tablets and phones is that all of these devices come pre-installed with an OS, with no ability to change which OS is installed without hacking it and voiding the warranty as reflected in the TOS or EULA of the devices. You are sold the device as is with no support from the manufacturer for installing third party software.
The only reason we can still install Android on devices like the iPhone and HP TouchPad is because Android is open source, which allows independent developers to custom tailor the OS to new hardware. Microsoft Windows is not open source, and therefore the burden lies upon Microsoft to work with the manufacturers to develop an inventory of working drivers and bootloaders for full Windows 8 support on tablets.
If you buy a PC without Windows already installed on it, you need an OEM installer disc to install the OS. There is no such thing offered by Microsoft for Windows Phone 7, there has not been any word of a similar solution when Windows 8 hits tablets and phones, nor does there exist consumer phones and tablets that can be bought without an OS pre-installed. For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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There is no such think as a desktop version of Windows 8. Everything is one version - it is only that they have only released x84/64 versions for download as of now.
Nothing is stopping you having an ARM desktop PC if that's what you choose. It's just a processor - nothing to do with form factor.
my tf is going to run win8.
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It's not likely to happen unless Microsoft decides to offer an OEM installer of the tablet version of the OS. The current state of tablets and phones is that all of these devices come pre-installed with an OS, with no ability to change which OS is installed without hacking it and voiding the warranty as reflected in the TOS or EULA of the devices. You are sold the device as is with no support from the manufacturer for installing third party software.
The only reason we can still install Android on devices like the iPhone and HP TouchPad is because Android is open source, which allows independent developers to custom tailor the OS to new hardware. Microsoft Windows is not open source, and therefore the burden lies upon Microsoft to work with the manufacturers to develop an inventory of working drivers and bootloaders for full Windows 8 support on tablets.
If you buy a PC without Windows already installed on it, you need an OEM installer disc to install the OS. There is no such thing offered by Microsoft for Windows Phone 7, there has not been any word of a similar solution when Windows 8 hits tablets and phones, nor does there exist consumer phones and tablets that can be bought without an OS pre-installed. For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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These are really good points. But, since MS is already behind on installing OS on about a billion devices I think Windows 8 is a great opportunity to change their current policy and release an installable iso for ARM, Tegra 2 & 3, i5 & i7, etc. That is my opinion.
But, I would not bet on it.
In other news, I hear lipstick sales are on the rise.
LOL
For your information:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/...-8-developer-program-with-support-for-kal-el/
Possibly! Since Windows 8 will run on ARM devices and Tegra2 is an ARM device.
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Possibly! Since Windows 8 will run on ARM devices and Tegra2 is an ARM device.
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From this link it says the Arm version isn't available yet because it is not finished, isn't Tegra 2 an Arm version?
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/hands-on-windows-8-review-1025259
As expected, Microsoft is using its Build developer conference to distribute a pre-beta, developer preview version of Windows 8 (for x86 PCs only; the hardware to run the ARM version on isn't finished yet).
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If this becomes available for the TF then I will finally have a reason to root the device, dual booting with windows 8 will be a killer. The specs on the the TF should be fine, dual core with 1 gig ram. Moreover it is an optimized touch interface, I can't see myself running to buy a 23 inch touch panel for my desktop just to use Windows 8 as it was designed. Jeez, I will go blind having such a big monitor at arms length.
I can go out today and purchase a retail copy of Windows 7 that I can install on any Intel-based system with the required specs. That's true because the entire PC industry is built around such capabilities.
Will they release a retail copy of ARM-based Windows 8? I dunno. Do they sell embedded versions of Windows at retail? I could see them only selling ARM versions of Windows 8 to OEMs, who custom-install it on their ARM devices. Does that mean it could be made to run on something like the Transformer? I have no idea, but I trust the ingenuity of devs to get it done if it's even remotely possible.
Does that mean I'd use it, if there were no official support? Perhaps not, because these are tools for me as opposed to "just" hobbies. Not that there's anything wrong with it. But I would absolutely use it if Asus were to provide the option and support it.
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windows is what the desktops for after all
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Not really... Windows 8 seems touch optimized IMO. in fact i found it a bit annoying to use on my laptop, nevertheless awesome so I'm keeping Windows 8.
Who is the target market that Microsoft is aiming for with this new OS?
I just don't see traditional PC users running to the stores to upgrade their monitors with touch interface staring at a 24 inch, 1 foot from their face, nor PC users getting used to the Metro interface with no right click traditional mouse support. Let alone the costs of those touch monitors.
If their targeting tablet users I doubt they will make much headway against Apple loyalists so they will go after Android? Android is free, there are little costs associated with the manufactures in using the Android OS, if Samsung, Asus, Acer, toshiba decides to abandon Android and use Windows 8 they will be upping the price for their tablets, would customers pay a premium for an unproven OS? Windows 8 still uses much of Windows 7 core, what about the batt drain?
The more I think about it, I doubt we will get any port over to existing tablets.
The only way I see windows 8 really taking a hold in the tablet field is if it can somehow run traditional x86 windows programs on the arm based version. Otherwise it really has nothing to gain over the competition.
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The only way I see windows 8 really taking a hold in the tablet field is if it can somehow run traditional x86 windows programs on the arm based version. Otherwise it really has nothing to gain over the competition.
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This is it, precisely. Microsoft has said that all Windows apps will run on the ARM version. So, imagine this: a Transformer (2? 3?) with a keyboard dock option and an active digitizer/pen, that can run both tablet-style apps and full-fledged Windows apps.
This would be the absolute best of both worlds: the convenient, instant-on, long-running "casual" tablet device mainly for consumption and light content creation, in a lightweight format that's easy to use in any situation. And that offers precise pen input (which was always outstanding on Windows Tablet PCs) for handwritten notes, diagrams, drawings, etc. Then, pop it in the dock for real work with complete network connectivity, robust file system support, full-sized apps like Office, etc.
If Microsoft gets this right, Windows 8 could be an incredibly compelling platform.
Nvidia has stated that they wish to branch the tegra platform out to desktops. This means that either they are guessing or already know that the operating system will be available in retail form at some point for ARM cpus (at least the way I see it).
as for our particular tablet that probably depends a lot on the manufactures of the hardware components for it and or Asus. The tegra2 SoC does not contain every little thing that is on a tablet. The touch screen controllers, the cameras, the proprietary ports, drive interfaces, and even some of the memory controllers are external of the SoC. The companies that make the drivers for some of these devices will need to release windows 8 ARM versions of their drivers. Now just guessing, I suspect that will happen.
I really don't see MS just releasing an embedded version of windows 8 for the arm platform. More than likely they see it as another path for desktops and laptops and will release an OEM and retail version. As for all the apps working across both ARM and x86 CPUs that will be interesting to see if it comes to be. I think the only way to pull that off is some kind of emulation right? Though app manufactures could make a x86(rather x64) version and an ARM version.
Even if it was available, I would rather have my honeycomb.
Sure Win8 has some touch friendly features built into it, but the OS wasn't built for touch only from the ground up.
We also wouldn't have things like custom ROMs to play with.
I'm running Win8 on 2 of my computers now, but outside of a desktop, I don't think it's practical anymore after Android
hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface , with Android or a light version of Linux
I'm wondering the same
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hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface , with Android or a light version of Linux
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I highly doubt. Microsoft stated a while ago that it will be locked to only W8 due to secure UEFI.
RT will Deffently be locked. PRO not so sure. We have to wait to see what microsoft do here.
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RT will Deffently be locked. PRO not so sure. We have to wait to see what microsoft do here.
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is the pro intel based? if it is than it shouldn't be locked, because Microsoft said they wouldn't be locking x86/x64 tablets/laptops
let it release first
luigi90210 : The surface pro is supposed to be based on quad-core i5s.....so it is intel based.But microsoft probably will still lock it or atleast make it hard to dual-boot other operating systems.
I seriously don't understand why people always want the possibility to dual boot or install another OS on a Windows device, I never hear people whine about those options for iPads or Android tablets.
Why should Microsoft allow everything while other operating systems don't need to allow this?
I hope dual boot will not be possible, just to annoy you people. :victory:
haters gonna hate
Actually there's an app in play to install Linux on android... So I think it's more of having the options as opposed to absolutely needing it
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You can ran windows a Mac and it's working great. People installing other os on different android tablets. Not on IPAD as far as I know.
Windows is very slow as an OS. I'm only using it when I have to run a few dedicated tasks. Plus I have windows 8 cp on my desktop now and don't now if I like on a tablet or not. If I don't do that you simply boot up linux Mint 12.
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Windows is very slow as an OS. .
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...uh what else would you use windows for? if not an OS...
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hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface , with Android or a light version of Linux
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I don't think dual boot will be possible in surface., and I feel it is already awesome with w8, I don't care for android or linux.,
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Windows is very slow as an OS. I'm only using it when I have to run a few dedicated tasks.
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You cannot be talking about Windows 8. My 5400rpm laptop would boot in around 1:20 with Windows 7 (which is already pretty fast), but with Windows 8 it's about 0:35.
If you read the hardware requirements docs that came out a while ago, all x86 win8 PCs MUST allow the user to disable secure boot. At the same time, all RT tabs must be locked completely.
Even if the Pro version is not locked, remember that its processor is not and ARM.
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Even if the Pro version is not locked, remember that its processor is not and ARM.
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those concerned about secure boot on x86 systems, Matthew garrets blog might be worth following:
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/
apparently the biggest roadblock so far, (since no actual uefi secure boot OS's have been released yet) is actually making Linux compatible with booting from UEFI.
>those concerned about secure boot on x86 systems, Matthew garrets blog might be worth following:
That's not a worry at least for this iteration of Windows on x86. MS' main issue with Win8 is for its mainstream adoption, which to date is not a sure thing. It's virtually giving Win8 away by pricing the upgrade for $40 (or less), and by handing it out to students. Having Windows locking out other OS'es at this point is a dumb idea.
Win8 is going to have a rough time. Businesses tend to be conservative, and having just upgraded to Win7, will likely sit out this iteration. That means the consumer sales will be on point, and a sampling of consumer opinions here and elsewhere indicates a love-hate relationship with Metro. It's great for touch, but it's an annoyance for mouse/KB users, which still comprise the vast majority of the Windows userbase. Having an OS that can't play nice with others may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
WinRT will have even worse sales prospects, with no software base to fall back on. Locking it down and playing dictator is an even dumber idea. At this early junction, techies and enthusiasts will be main driving element for its adoption, and there's no better way to alienate this crowd than to sell a locked down box.
Yes, MS' stated intent is to lock down the RT firmware. We'll see how true that is once RT ships. I'll be surprised if sideloading Metro won't be a reality (via a "hack") on day one.
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You cannot be talking about Windows 8. My 5400rpm laptop would boot in around 1:20 with Windows 7 (which is already pretty fast), but with Windows 8 it's about 0:35.
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What?
Ubuntu boots around 10 seconds. Try it.
>hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface
This would be possible with the Linux Foundation's recent proffered solution to install unsigned OS'es onto Secure Boot systems,
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news...oundation-uefi-secure-boot-system-open-source
The idea is for LF to purchase a key ($99) from MS, use it to sign a pre-bootloader to satisfy the secure boot requirement, then chain it to the actual bootloader of the unsigned OS. This was ostensibly for the x86 platform, but I asked James Bottomley (the blogger) about it, and he said it should work in principle with RT as well.
Whether a solution exists comes down to a business decision rather than a technical feasibility decision. It's up to MS to allow others to play in its soon-to-be walled garden. Given MS' new "devices and services" strategy, it could do an Apple and tell Linux to shove off. My inclination is that MS will play nice, if only out of anti-trust concerns.
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This would be possible with the Linux Foundation's recent proffered solution to install unsigned OS'es onto Secure Boot systems,
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to be honest I prefer Red Hat's solution:
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/18149.html
EDIT: my main reasoning for this is that the "present user test" is mostly useless because the first thing joe blogs will do when a virus attempts to take control of boot and triggers the press key to continue prompt, they'll just press it... the shim loader prompts you to allow the new binary hash first, via an interface.
I am considering buying the Transformer TF700, but I am wondering if it is possible to root the tablet and install Windows 8 on it when W8 is available for purchase?
Regards, Sari
Unlikely, Win 8 requires an encrypted bootloader.
Installing Win8 as a 2nd OS, NO. But running linux as a second OS and Virtual machine windows on it, Yes. Just not sure how stable that would be, or how fluid. You can always wait and see as asus have announced a partnership with Microsoft for a duclboot android windows Pad...maybe, HOPEFULLY, the hardware will be close enough to our infinity for devs to port it over
Its possible. That locked down requirement is for OEMs, I doubt it'd be hardcoded into the OS since that'd be hard to detect or easy to spoof. Asus's WinRT tablets are Tegra 3 based, so depending on which variant they use it might be relatively simple to port.
Very unlikely. I couldn't spout the technicals for you, but it is a very closed down system, and MC certainly doesn't want any modding or porting in any way.
Assuming you mean Windows RT, then...well, I'm sure Microsoft is probably going to do everything they can to ensure that Windows RT doesn't run on anything other than approved devices.
Ah, that's disappointing :l Thanks for your replies!
I used to be very interested in Win 8 but now I am not sure I want it on a Tablet. I know eveybody is saying it is going to be great on tablets, but nobody really knows yet, and I have been an early adopter of other mobile OS products like Win Smartphones, that were big failures. The beauty of Android is it is more open source so its easy to create apps for it, so I am not sure Windows will ever get the kind of app libraries (Free or cheap) Android and IOS have. Looking at Microsoft's history, I am not sure they will excel in this market at this point.
Just my thoughts . .
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... Looking at Microsoft's history, I am not sure they will excel in this market at this point.
Just my thoughts . .
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This ^^ -- given the fact that I've owned several Windows Mobile devices that have hung somewhere in space as far as support and development went and that MS have crashed several of their purportedly groundbreaking devices in the past (the Zune and the Kin spring to mind in particular) doesn't really inspire me with any hope that the Surface and its successors will be anything to drool about, except maybe for 'paper specs'.
For the graphically inclined and those in search for a read, a search for "Microsoft failures" comes up with, amongst others:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Enterprise...osofts-Biggest-Failures-and-Successes-500262/
http://www.money.co.uk/misc/microsofts-biggest-flops-and-failures.htm
http://www.complex.com/tech/2009/05/a-history-of-microsofts-biggest-failures
Just for fun, those.
No way.... The largest software development company in the world has had failures? Who would ever have thought that?
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No way.... The largest software development company in the world has had failures? Who would ever have thought that?
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It's not that they had failures, smart boy -- it's their touting so much 'groundbreaking' stuff that wouldn't even float by itself if you threw it in a lake of polystyrene packaging chips.
Ugh, Win8 with its crappy touchy-feely interface. I am fully convinced that desktop and laptop systems are here to stay, whether for gaming or productivity, so I do not need an interface optimized for mobile touchscreen devices on my rather immobile main piece of trusted hardware.
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Its possible. That locked down requirement is for OEMs, I doubt it'd be hardcoded into the OS since that'd be hard to detect or easy to spoof. Asus's WinRT tablets are Tegra 3 based, so depending on which variant they use it might be relatively simple to port.
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I think we should wait for any publicly available Windows RT firmware for download. It Asus releases Tablet 600 - that would be even better for us.
I recall the first Hackintoshs (based on first Mac OS X 10.4/Tiger for x86) being run on Pentium 4 and AMD platforms. It required VM and very strong BIOS modifications (as Macs had EFI, at that time unavailable for PCs). Then there were some modified kos (kernel objects, i.e. modules) that enabled it running on PCs with stock BIOS. Later a vanilla kernel was compiled that enabled the system work without problems.
Considering Windows RT port, the last step would be most likely impossible as we don't have kernel source (AFAIK the latest Widows source available is that one of Win2000), but nothing prevents us from attempting to run the Windows RT-enabled device firmware on TF700 and trying to debug failures. However, this can take a long time.
I'm more concerned about running any Linux distro in dualboot with Android %)
What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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Is anywhere its firmware?
The main issue would be the bootloader; the resolution in Windows is much easier to fix.
P.S. "I want NATIVE ubuntu on TF700!" - +1. I bought TF700 as a super long-lasting netbook =)
I have the Asus TF600. It has a lower screen Res and twice the ram of the TF700. WIndows RT requires activation just like the desktop version.
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What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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That's wonderful!
When did you buy it?
Have you found the firmware?
I only found this: http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&m=asus vivotab rt - there is only a manual.
Windows activation has never been a probem since its appearance in XP =) The bootloader should be more tricky.
tf700t 1gb ram win8 problem
Even if someone manages to port Win8 over to the tf700, do you think they will curb the use of it by shutting it down from the windows market side?? Especially with RT you wind up at the complete mercy of Microsoft when it comes to applying any apps to the device. I'd be interested in seeing if it could be done as long as there is no hang up on the application side of the equation. Won't do me much good to have a working os with no apps to run on it.
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Will we have iTunes and other windows apps
This is a deal breaker
I'm also confused is windows Rt not a regular windows
I want a tablet with a full windows on it and the surface looks nice
you will probably need surface pro with Intel Cpu to install iTunes. It is doubtful that Apple will develop a windows rt (metro) version of iTunes that will run on the standard surface with ARM.
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So it won't run exe apps
I'm looking for a tablet that can without breaking the bank
Don't need a gaint windows "itouch"
With the new developer tools, there is always a chance there will be 3 versions of a newly developed app.
The developer picks who to compile for. ( compile for x86 Pro, Arm RT, Arm WP8 )
So right now there is no iTunes for RT, so you will have to wait the extra month and get the Surface Pro ( Intel ).
However I think in time there will be a version of iTunes for RT. What company says...."no thanks we make enough over here".....
I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of desktop apps will be recompiled for ARM tbh, even if it is via some sort of Jailbreak system
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Will we have iTunes and other windows apps
This is a deal breaker
I'm also confused is windows Rt not a regular windows
I want a tablet with a full windows on it and the surface looks nice
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You want the worst app ever created to run on a tablet? Come at me bro!!!!!!!
Why would you want iTunes. The beauty of MS is you don't have to go through a program to load music. Just drop and go. Its already been verified that the Surface will run Apple's music format files.
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Why would you want iTunes. The beauty of MS is you don't have to go through a program to load music. Just drop and go. Its already been verified that the Surface will run Apple's music format files.
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i'm going to guess the OP has an iDevice and wants to be able to sync it. but unless apple releases a metro style ARM version of itunes, it's just not going to happen. but with ios6, the need to sync with your computer is lessened with apple finally moving more data into the cloud.
if you plug an idevice into an RT tablet, you should be able to pull pictures on and off of it.
but making it seem like a terrible thing doesn't make sense, if that was logical, then one should be able to sync an android or windows phone handset to an ipad, which is even further from ever happening. to use a windows tablet like a laptop replacement, you need x86/64 based hardware, the RT devices were never meant to be used as laptop replacements, they are companion devices, just like an ipad or android tablet.
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you will probably need surface pro with Intel Cpu to install iTunes. It is doubtful that Apple will develop a windows rt (metro) version of iTunes that will run on the standard surface with ARM.
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If they ever did that it would be on the iPad first and then the surface. But you know it ain't gonna happen.
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If they ever did that it would be on the iPad first and then the surface. But you know it ain't gonna happen.
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why would the ipad need an itunes sync client? so it can sync with itself on itself?
if windows RT takes off this holiday season i can see apple releasing an ARM itunes client that works similar to how the windows phone client works on the mac, not a ton of functionality but can do basic syncs.
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why would the ipad need an itunes sync client? so it can sync with itself on itself?
if windows RT takes off this holiday season i can see apple releasing an ARM itunes client that works similar to how the windows phone client works on the mac, not a ton of functionality but can do basic syncs.
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Yeah I would love to see MS allowing that in the Windows Store
Hello.
We all know surface RT tablets won't get Windows 10 :/
Have hou ever heard of anyone being able to Install win10 mobile on surface RT ?
There are a lot of functionnality That would be missed, but given the state of the Windows Store on w8 and w10, I would guess There would be a few gains.
Both being ARM OSes, wouldn't it work ?
yeah, but will MS invest in building and testing it for Surface RT/2? nope.