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ok do not waste any of your time going down a useless path as i have, but i did learn a few things... a big lightbulb finally turned on for me with the wince on the gtab. i finally realized, which i should have from the start, that wince will not support dual core processors, which is why i am getting specific errors with video start call. i modified the original stock tegra os listing for wince and it is running and working but without the dual core being utilized, android is a lot better of a choice. i am not pursing nor continuing toward any wince version for deployment.

which version of wince were you testing? win7 embedded supports dual-core just not sure which ones. Oh since this is my first post would like to thank everyone for doing a tremendous job. Been using XDA for years. Searching has always answered my questions.no need to post

the version i used is found below:
http://tegradeveloper.nvidia.com/tegra/downloads
however, it is not windows mobile 7; i am still researching that version to see what is possible and if it would work on tegra 2 chip and such.
i am moving my focus back to where i am stumped with my version of android for the gtab.

I doubt people who wanted to run WinCE care about dual processor support. The G's hardware is so far beyond most WinCE devices any apps should already be flying. That said, outside of some very specific cases, I can't see people wanting WinCE over Android. If you could somehow get Phone 7 working on this tablet that would be amazing.

ijustbrickeditithink said:
the version i used is found below:
http://tegradeveloper.nvidia.com/tegra/downloads
however, it is not windows mobile 7; i am still researching that version to see what is possible and if it would work on tegra 2 chip and such.
i am moving my focus back to where i am stumped with my version of android for the gtab.
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Maybe a thought, I do believe the Zune HD is runing WinCE on a tegra chipset.

you are corrcet from what i have read about the zune.
i was messing with wince just to see what was possible, nothing against android, but a full working, minus the phone, of win mobile 7 on the gtab would be very cool.
for me it is
how would i integrate this device with a windows network?

ijustbrickeditithink said:
you are corrcet from what i have read about the zune.
i was messing with wince just to see what was possible, nothing against android, but a full working, minus the phone, of win mobile 7 on the gtab would be very cool.
for me it is
how would i integrate this device with a windows network?
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For me it would be Office and Xbox live...

WinCE 6 does only support single core processors. There was some discussion over in the nVidia forums expressing interest for WinCE 7 and its dual core processor support. I have to wonder if that is what Asus is waiting for before releasing the eePad 10, which is supposed to be running some flavor of CE.
As far as Windows network integration? Office and XBox support. I was mainly interested in having something I could sync handwritten note back to MS Office. My old Samsung Omnia just wasn't big enough to be useful, and I really don’t see anything similar for android on the horizon.

Microsoft Surface dual boot

hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface , with Android or a light version of Linux

I'm wondering the same
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jag1475 said:
hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface , with Android or a light version of Linux
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I highly doubt. Microsoft stated a while ago that it will be locked to only W8 due to secure UEFI.

RT will Deffently be locked. PRO not so sure. We have to wait to see what microsoft do here.

dave888 said:
RT will Deffently be locked. PRO not so sure. We have to wait to see what microsoft do here.
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is the pro intel based? if it is than it shouldn't be locked, because Microsoft said they wouldn't be locking x86/x64 tablets/laptops

let it release first

luigi90210 : The surface pro is supposed to be based on quad-core i5s.....so it is intel based.But microsoft probably will still lock it or atleast make it hard to dual-boot other operating systems.

I seriously don't understand why people always want the possibility to dual boot or install another OS on a Windows device, I never hear people whine about those options for iPads or Android tablets.
Why should Microsoft allow everything while other operating systems don't need to allow this?
I hope dual boot will not be possible, just to annoy you people. :victory:
haters gonna hate

Actually there's an app in play to install Linux on android... So I think it's more of having the options as opposed to absolutely needing it
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You can ran windows a Mac and it's working great. People installing other os on different android tablets. Not on IPAD as far as I know.
Windows is very slow as an OS. I'm only using it when I have to run a few dedicated tasks. Plus I have windows 8 cp on my desktop now and don't now if I like on a tablet or not. If I don't do that you simply boot up linux Mint 12.

dave888 said:
Windows is very slow as an OS. .
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...uh what else would you use windows for? if not an OS...

jag1475 said:
hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface , with Android or a light version of Linux
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I don't think dual boot will be possible in surface., and I feel it is already awesome with w8, I don't care for android or linux.,

dave888 said:
Windows is very slow as an OS. I'm only using it when I have to run a few dedicated tasks.
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You cannot be talking about Windows 8. My 5400rpm laptop would boot in around 1:20 with Windows 7 (which is already pretty fast), but with Windows 8 it's about 0:35.

If you read the hardware requirements docs that came out a while ago, all x86 win8 PCs MUST allow the user to disable secure boot. At the same time, all RT tabs must be locked completely.

Even if the Pro version is not locked, remember that its processor is not and ARM.

METEMEDO said:
Even if the Pro version is not locked, remember that its processor is not and ARM.
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those concerned about secure boot on x86 systems, Matthew garrets blog might be worth following:
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/
apparently the biggest roadblock so far, (since no actual uefi secure boot OS's have been released yet) is actually making Linux compatible with booting from UEFI.

>those concerned about secure boot on x86 systems, Matthew garrets blog might be worth following:
That's not a worry at least for this iteration of Windows on x86. MS' main issue with Win8 is for its mainstream adoption, which to date is not a sure thing. It's virtually giving Win8 away by pricing the upgrade for $40 (or less), and by handing it out to students. Having Windows locking out other OS'es at this point is a dumb idea.
Win8 is going to have a rough time. Businesses tend to be conservative, and having just upgraded to Win7, will likely sit out this iteration. That means the consumer sales will be on point, and a sampling of consumer opinions here and elsewhere indicates a love-hate relationship with Metro. It's great for touch, but it's an annoyance for mouse/KB users, which still comprise the vast majority of the Windows userbase. Having an OS that can't play nice with others may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
WinRT will have even worse sales prospects, with no software base to fall back on. Locking it down and playing dictator is an even dumber idea. At this early junction, techies and enthusiasts will be main driving element for its adoption, and there's no better way to alienate this crowd than to sell a locked down box.
Yes, MS' stated intent is to lock down the RT firmware. We'll see how true that is once RT ships. I'll be surprised if sideloading Metro won't be a reality (via a "hack") on day one.

Wupideedoo said:
You cannot be talking about Windows 8. My 5400rpm laptop would boot in around 1:20 with Windows 7 (which is already pretty fast), but with Windows 8 it's about 0:35.
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What?
Ubuntu boots around 10 seconds. Try it.

>hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface
This would be possible with the Linux Foundation's recent proffered solution to install unsigned OS'es onto Secure Boot systems,
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news...oundation-uefi-secure-boot-system-open-source
The idea is for LF to purchase a key ($99) from MS, use it to sign a pre-bootloader to satisfy the secure boot requirement, then chain it to the actual bootloader of the unsigned OS. This was ostensibly for the x86 platform, but I asked James Bottomley (the blogger) about it, and he said it should work in principle with RT as well.
Whether a solution exists comes down to a business decision rather than a technical feasibility decision. It's up to MS to allow others to play in its soon-to-be walled garden. Given MS' new "devices and services" strategy, it could do an Apple and tell Linux to shove off. My inclination is that MS will play nice, if only out of anti-trust concerns.

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This would be possible with the Linux Foundation's recent proffered solution to install unsigned OS'es onto Secure Boot systems,
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to be honest I prefer Red Hat's solution:
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/18149.html
EDIT: my main reasoning for this is that the "present user test" is mostly useless because the first thing joe blogs will do when a virus attempts to take control of boot and triggers the press key to continue prompt, they'll just press it... the shim loader prompts you to allow the new binary hash first, via an interface.

Why not merge Windows RT with WP. What differentiates Windows RT?

At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.

Gadgety said:
At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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How are you going to pocket a 10 inch tablet?
RT is like android and iOS. Price is like your desktop windows. There is a world of difference. RT wont run PC apps, only metro apps. I expect the pro will run metro apps so the all in one you want is the Pro.

That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
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There is a world of difference. RT wont run PC apps, only metro apps.
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Your post is off-topic. The OP is comparing WinRT v WP8 and not WinRT v Windows 8.

Gadgety said:
At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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windows mobile was suppose to be that merger back in 2005 but that failed horribly
maybe someone will make an app for windows8 that will provide voip calling

daAppu said:
That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
Your post is off-topic. The OP is comparing WinRT v WP8 and not WinRT v Windows 8.
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Doh. My bad.. I was thinking of Windows pro 8 not phone 8
Bie!

RT is slimmer and consumes less operational power. It will be limited to Metro apps.
W8 requires more computing power and is more bulky than the previously mentioned. It will have the ability to run both Metro apps and standard windows compatible programs.

Windows phone 8 not windows pro 8
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part of the confusion is OP's fault for using "Windows RT" and then "WP" which can be seen as both Windows Phone 8 and Windows Pro 8.
anyway I guess windows phone 8 won't have a desktop but I haven't looked at any of the windows phone 8 stuff yet.

daAppu said:
That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
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Other than the totally different UI? I think they still have some differences and it's only the kernel that's the same right now.
I guess with W9/WP9 those differences will also go away and it really would be just a UI that works better on a smaller device.
The licensing costs for OEMs would still be different somehow. It's too expensive anyway. They're overcharging for the winrt license and then they also make 20-30% of sales on their app store (which with windows devices could end up being a lot more than the license)

nbates66 said:
part of the confusion is OP's fault for using "Windows RT" and then "WP" which can be seen as both Windows Phone 8 and Windows Pro 8.
anyway I guess windows phone 8 won't have a desktop but I haven't looked at any of the windows phone 8 stuff yet.
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Thanks to all for replies. I thought Windows Phone 8 is (officially?) abbreviated WP8 while Windows 8 is abbreviated W8. I've never seen Windows 8 as WP anywhere else. WP can now be read as Windows Phone and Windows Pro!?
However I recognize the confusion, and rather than take that blame you want to attribute to me, I wonder if this is more further confusion created by Microsoft. Windows Phone --> WPH
Basically I wonder why they don't launch one OS to serves both phones and tablets? It seems RT and the WPH OS could be merged beyond just the kernel. The RT seems to have essentially everything except the phone functionality... Would generate more interesting integrated devices. How about a 7'' RT with phone ability, for example.

WinRT WILL have the desktop, unlike Windows Phone 8. It WILL do almost everything that Windows 8 can and more - except it won't run x86/x64 compiled programs, but will have device encryption instead of drive encryption. To see what Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro and Windows RT are capable of find the Microsoft comparison table in one of their public announcements.
Stop speculating, find the facts.

As pointed out already, the differences would be different, even if they seem very close as os
I would add, also, that the WP had to call the module, which certainly will not have the tablet with Windows 8 RT (up to Skype, but also through non-cellular data network

So bottom line, WinRT is in the middle of WP8 and W8?
With the lack of Metro apps as of right now, I'm a little bit worried that if I buy a WinRT Surface that I will be having a hard time finding quality apps, does anyone agree?

xinn3r said:
So bottom line, WinRT is in the middle of WP8 and W8?
With the lack of Metro apps as of right now, I'm a little bit worried that if I buy a WinRT Surface that I will be having a hard time finding quality apps, does anyone agree?
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No. There are big and small differences. For the average person, having a Windows RT device means they can't run their normal Windows programs and IT departments won't be able to integrate Windows RT devices with their Active Directory forests like they will be able to do with Windows 8 Pro machines, but they'll be able to make Metro apps available (or install them on) to Windows Phone 8 and at the very least Windows 9 Pro machines, possibly Windows RT, this part is a bit vague.
With 100,000 apps there are plenty to choose from ! How many apps on Play and the App Store are just rewrites by another wannabe rich dev copying someone elses idea ? Or a paid version and a free version and HD version and a HD free version with limited content ? When I first got my Android phone, there were only around 100,000 apps to iOS's nearly 400,000 and now Android has well over 600,000 less than 2 years on! MS are trying to make it easy for iOS and Android Devs to port their apps, which will hopefully encourage app growth.
With the same Metro Apps being available on Windows Phone 8, Windows RT and Windows 8 (and backwards compatible with Windows Phone 7 if the developer so chooses!) I can't see a problem. The unifying of Windows starts now people, before the iOS/OS X eventual merger in 2-3 years time and imo better than Android. Stop pissing into the wind, speculating and do some actual research on the subject.

A year ago the argument FOR wp7 was "I don't need all those apps, my os has facebook baked in."
Now, the idea that wp8 can share apps with w8 might be getting devs interested ?
Ill bet the devs are waiting to see the w8 app store functioning before they sink money into the platform.

Windows RT has a Desktop.
They are essentially the same thing, but then again so is Windows 8 and Windows RT, they just run on different architectures.

There are lots of differences, Windows RT is semi mobile whiles windows phone is fully fledged mobile OS but I suspect they will merge it in the future.Windows 9 and Wp9
But the main reason I suspect they didn't do it was because of the apps
Windows phone even though it has 120,000 apps after 2 years and is struggling to get apps, Windows 8 already has some 9,000 apps.The shear reason that Windows 8 and Windows RT can both run Metro apps means WIndows RT it will get developer attention, that wouldn't have happened if they went with Windows Phone /WIndows RT .
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I don't get the compaints with lack of apps... they are doing the best they can in terms of getting apps. Just last week there were 5000 apps, by Friday there were over 9000 apps already. Its not ideal but they are doing a tremendous job..
http://www.neowin.net/news/report-over-9000-windows-8-apps-for-launch-day

Possible to run W8 on Transformer TF700?

I am considering buying the Transformer TF700, but I am wondering if it is possible to root the tablet and install Windows 8 on it when W8 is available for purchase?
Regards, Sari

Unlikely, Win 8 requires an encrypted bootloader.

Installing Win8 as a 2nd OS, NO. But running linux as a second OS and Virtual machine windows on it, Yes. Just not sure how stable that would be, or how fluid. You can always wait and see as asus have announced a partnership with Microsoft for a duclboot android windows Pad...maybe, HOPEFULLY, the hardware will be close enough to our infinity for devs to port it over

Its possible. That locked down requirement is for OEMs, I doubt it'd be hardcoded into the OS since that'd be hard to detect or easy to spoof. Asus's WinRT tablets are Tegra 3 based, so depending on which variant they use it might be relatively simple to port.

Very unlikely. I couldn't spout the technicals for you, but it is a very closed down system, and MC certainly doesn't want any modding or porting in any way.

Assuming you mean Windows RT, then...well, I'm sure Microsoft is probably going to do everything they can to ensure that Windows RT doesn't run on anything other than approved devices.

Ah, that's disappointing :l Thanks for your replies!

I used to be very interested in Win 8 but now I am not sure I want it on a Tablet. I know eveybody is saying it is going to be great on tablets, but nobody really knows yet, and I have been an early adopter of other mobile OS products like Win Smartphones, that were big failures. The beauty of Android is it is more open source so its easy to create apps for it, so I am not sure Windows will ever get the kind of app libraries (Free or cheap) Android and IOS have. Looking at Microsoft's history, I am not sure they will excel in this market at this point.
Just my thoughts . .

guitar1969 said:
... Looking at Microsoft's history, I am not sure they will excel in this market at this point.
Just my thoughts . .
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This ^^ -- given the fact that I've owned several Windows Mobile devices that have hung somewhere in space as far as support and development went and that MS have crashed several of their purportedly groundbreaking devices in the past (the Zune and the Kin spring to mind in particular) doesn't really inspire me with any hope that the Surface and its successors will be anything to drool about, except maybe for 'paper specs'.
For the graphically inclined and those in search for a read, a search for "Microsoft failures" comes up with, amongst others:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Enterprise...osofts-Biggest-Failures-and-Successes-500262/
http://www.money.co.uk/misc/microsofts-biggest-flops-and-failures.htm
http://www.complex.com/tech/2009/05/a-history-of-microsofts-biggest-failures
Just for fun, those.

No way.... The largest software development company in the world has had failures? Who would ever have thought that?

almostinsane said:
No way.... The largest software development company in the world has had failures? Who would ever have thought that?
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It's not that they had failures, smart boy -- it's their touting so much 'groundbreaking' stuff that wouldn't even float by itself if you threw it in a lake of polystyrene packaging chips.
Ugh, Win8 with its crappy touchy-feely interface. I am fully convinced that desktop and laptop systems are here to stay, whether for gaming or productivity, so I do not need an interface optimized for mobile touchscreen devices on my rather immobile main piece of trusted hardware.

Jotokun said:
Its possible. That locked down requirement is for OEMs, I doubt it'd be hardcoded into the OS since that'd be hard to detect or easy to spoof. Asus's WinRT tablets are Tegra 3 based, so depending on which variant they use it might be relatively simple to port.
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I think we should wait for any publicly available Windows RT firmware for download. It Asus releases Tablet 600 - that would be even better for us.
I recall the first Hackintoshs (based on first Mac OS X 10.4/Tiger for x86) being run on Pentium 4 and AMD platforms. It required VM and very strong BIOS modifications (as Macs had EFI, at that time unavailable for PCs). Then there were some modified kos (kernel objects, i.e. modules) that enabled it running on PCs with stock BIOS. Later a vanilla kernel was compiled that enabled the system work without problems.
Considering Windows RT port, the last step would be most likely impossible as we don't have kernel source (AFAIK the latest Widows source available is that one of Win2000), but nothing prevents us from attempting to run the Windows RT-enabled device firmware on TF700 and trying to debug failures. However, this can take a long time.
I'm more concerned about running any Linux distro in dualboot with Android %)

What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.

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What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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Is anywhere its firmware?
The main issue would be the bootloader; the resolution in Windows is much easier to fix.
P.S. "I want NATIVE ubuntu on TF700!" - +1. I bought TF700 as a super long-lasting netbook =)

I have the Asus TF600. It has a lower screen Res and twice the ram of the TF700. WIndows RT requires activation just like the desktop version.

LEGOracer69 said:
What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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That's wonderful!
When did you buy it?
Have you found the firmware?
I only found this: http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&m=asus vivotab rt - there is only a manual.
Windows activation has never been a probem since its appearance in XP =) The bootloader should be more tricky.

tf700t 1gb ram win8 problem

Even if someone manages to port Win8 over to the tf700, do you think they will curb the use of it by shutting it down from the windows market side?? Especially with RT you wind up at the complete mercy of Microsoft when it comes to applying any apps to the device. I'd be interested in seeing if it could be done as long as there is no hang up on the application side of the equation. Won't do me much good to have a working os with no apps to run on it.
Cheers

Install windows 10 on ASUS ZenPad S 8.0 Z580CA Possible?

I really like the hardware offering from Asus on the ZenPad S 8.0.
I can't find any good windows 10 tablets, does anyone know if you can install windows 10 on a ZenPad?
Thanks!

I'm wondering the same thing.

i think you need the replace the bios or something so that the tablet can boot from a usb

+1 for interest, on the concept anyway. If Windows can boot, Linux shouldn't be much harder (might even be easier), and I'd be far more interested in that.
In order to use Windows on this tablet, you'd either have to hope it has drivers built-in for whichever architecture it boots in (good luck if it boots 32-bit UEFI like some Intel devices do), or hope there's drivers available that would be compatible. Linux has a much better shot at working on this tablet as-is.
Can't quite understand why this tablet out-the-box is only locked to Android though... Could have easily offered a dual-boot scenario, or even outright just allowed any x86-compliant OS to be installed. But having just Android on this tablet is overkill in my opinion.

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+1 for interest, on the concept anyway. If Windows can boot, Linux shouldn't be much harder (might even be easier), and I'd be far more interested in that.
In order to use Windows on this tablet, you'd either have to hope it has drivers built-in for whichever architecture it boots in (good luck if it boots 32-bit UEFI like some Intel devices do), or hope there's drivers available that would be compatible. Linux has a much better shot at working on this tablet as-is.
Can't quite understand why this tablet out-the-box is only locked to Android though... Could have easily offered a dual-boot scenario, or even outright just allowed any x86-compliant OS to be installed. But having just Android on this tablet is overkill in my opinion.
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Because they would have to charge more if it was native compatible with windows, for the windows licensing.

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Because they would have to charge more if it was native compatible with windows, for the windows licensing.
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Actually not, since Windows licencing is no longer paid for devices under 10 inches.

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Because they would have to charge more if it was native compatible with windows, for the windows licensing.
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You don't include Windows, you just simply make it have a generic x86_64-compliant legacy or UEFI bootloader.
Windows licensing doesn't apply to a device that doesn't come with Windows considering the device doesn't ship with Windows (or at least I would think).

I would still love to see a rom of windows 10 i could load. At the moment, I just use splashtop if i really need windows functionality on my tablet, and since I work from home, it's not too bad, lan Splashtop is pretty good, especially with a good router.

I'm interested in this tablet since it's on sale right now, but I don't have the money. Should I ever get one I'd totally install Arch Linux or something. If anyone has one of these and attempts this, please start a dev thread or something to document the project.
Just so we're clear, this is the tablet we're all hoping to install Windows 10/Linux onto, right? http://bit.ly/1kaRhIZ

I just to bump this again, the z580c has been out for over a year now, hoping someone has a custom or aftermarket ROM for this thing. Links will be appreciated!

Ryuhouji said:
I just to bump this again, the z580c has been out for over a year now, hoping someone has a custom or aftermarket ROM for this thing. Links will be appreciated!
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Or at least some way to change to Windows. This is a great tablet, but it comes with the wrong OS.

Bootloader is still locked. Until that's changed, no alternative OS.