At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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How are you going to pocket a 10 inch tablet?
RT is like android and iOS. Price is like your desktop windows. There is a world of difference. RT wont run PC apps, only metro apps. I expect the pro will run metro apps so the all in one you want is the Pro.
That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
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There is a world of difference. RT wont run PC apps, only metro apps.
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Your post is off-topic. The OP is comparing WinRT v WP8 and not WinRT v Windows 8.
Gadgety said:
At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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windows mobile was suppose to be that merger back in 2005 but that failed horribly
maybe someone will make an app for windows8 that will provide voip calling
daAppu said:
That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
Your post is off-topic. The OP is comparing WinRT v WP8 and not WinRT v Windows 8.
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Doh. My bad.. I was thinking of Windows pro 8 not phone 8
Bie!
RT is slimmer and consumes less operational power. It will be limited to Metro apps.
W8 requires more computing power and is more bulky than the previously mentioned. It will have the ability to run both Metro apps and standard windows compatible programs.
Windows phone 8 not windows pro 8
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part of the confusion is OP's fault for using "Windows RT" and then "WP" which can be seen as both Windows Phone 8 and Windows Pro 8.
anyway I guess windows phone 8 won't have a desktop but I haven't looked at any of the windows phone 8 stuff yet.
daAppu said:
That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
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Other than the totally different UI? I think they still have some differences and it's only the kernel that's the same right now.
I guess with W9/WP9 those differences will also go away and it really would be just a UI that works better on a smaller device.
The licensing costs for OEMs would still be different somehow. It's too expensive anyway. They're overcharging for the winrt license and then they also make 20-30% of sales on their app store (which with windows devices could end up being a lot more than the license)
nbates66 said:
part of the confusion is OP's fault for using "Windows RT" and then "WP" which can be seen as both Windows Phone 8 and Windows Pro 8.
anyway I guess windows phone 8 won't have a desktop but I haven't looked at any of the windows phone 8 stuff yet.
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Thanks to all for replies. I thought Windows Phone 8 is (officially?) abbreviated WP8 while Windows 8 is abbreviated W8. I've never seen Windows 8 as WP anywhere else. WP can now be read as Windows Phone and Windows Pro!?
However I recognize the confusion, and rather than take that blame you want to attribute to me, I wonder if this is more further confusion created by Microsoft. Windows Phone --> WPH
Basically I wonder why they don't launch one OS to serves both phones and tablets? It seems RT and the WPH OS could be merged beyond just the kernel. The RT seems to have essentially everything except the phone functionality... Would generate more interesting integrated devices. How about a 7'' RT with phone ability, for example.
WinRT WILL have the desktop, unlike Windows Phone 8. It WILL do almost everything that Windows 8 can and more - except it won't run x86/x64 compiled programs, but will have device encryption instead of drive encryption. To see what Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro and Windows RT are capable of find the Microsoft comparison table in one of their public announcements.
Stop speculating, find the facts.
As pointed out already, the differences would be different, even if they seem very close as os
I would add, also, that the WP had to call the module, which certainly will not have the tablet with Windows 8 RT (up to Skype, but also through non-cellular data network
So bottom line, WinRT is in the middle of WP8 and W8?
With the lack of Metro apps as of right now, I'm a little bit worried that if I buy a WinRT Surface that I will be having a hard time finding quality apps, does anyone agree?
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So bottom line, WinRT is in the middle of WP8 and W8?
With the lack of Metro apps as of right now, I'm a little bit worried that if I buy a WinRT Surface that I will be having a hard time finding quality apps, does anyone agree?
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No. There are big and small differences. For the average person, having a Windows RT device means they can't run their normal Windows programs and IT departments won't be able to integrate Windows RT devices with their Active Directory forests like they will be able to do with Windows 8 Pro machines, but they'll be able to make Metro apps available (or install them on) to Windows Phone 8 and at the very least Windows 9 Pro machines, possibly Windows RT, this part is a bit vague.
With 100,000 apps there are plenty to choose from ! How many apps on Play and the App Store are just rewrites by another wannabe rich dev copying someone elses idea ? Or a paid version and a free version and HD version and a HD free version with limited content ? When I first got my Android phone, there were only around 100,000 apps to iOS's nearly 400,000 and now Android has well over 600,000 less than 2 years on! MS are trying to make it easy for iOS and Android Devs to port their apps, which will hopefully encourage app growth.
With the same Metro Apps being available on Windows Phone 8, Windows RT and Windows 8 (and backwards compatible with Windows Phone 7 if the developer so chooses!) I can't see a problem. The unifying of Windows starts now people, before the iOS/OS X eventual merger in 2-3 years time and imo better than Android. Stop pissing into the wind, speculating and do some actual research on the subject.
A year ago the argument FOR wp7 was "I don't need all those apps, my os has facebook baked in."
Now, the idea that wp8 can share apps with w8 might be getting devs interested ?
Ill bet the devs are waiting to see the w8 app store functioning before they sink money into the platform.
Windows RT has a Desktop.
They are essentially the same thing, but then again so is Windows 8 and Windows RT, they just run on different architectures.
There are lots of differences, Windows RT is semi mobile whiles windows phone is fully fledged mobile OS but I suspect they will merge it in the future.Windows 9 and Wp9
But the main reason I suspect they didn't do it was because of the apps
Windows phone even though it has 120,000 apps after 2 years and is struggling to get apps, Windows 8 already has some 9,000 apps.The shear reason that Windows 8 and Windows RT can both run Metro apps means WIndows RT it will get developer attention, that wouldn't have happened if they went with Windows Phone /WIndows RT .
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I don't get the compaints with lack of apps... they are doing the best they can in terms of getting apps. Just last week there were 5000 apps, by Friday there were over 9000 apps already. Its not ideal but they are doing a tremendous job..
http://www.neowin.net/news/report-over-9000-windows-8-apps-for-launch-day
Quick question guys, im thinking in buying today the microsoft surface 2 (none pro) with windows RT can i install the standard windows 8.1 so i can download any apps i want as oppose to the windows store? If not then i was thinking in the asus t100, whats your thoughts on this?
Windows 8.1 RT working on ARM CPU. Windows 8.1 working on x86-64 CPU. The answer is no.
Yep. May as well ask if you can buy an iPad and install OS X on it so you can run software that isn't in the iOS app store. Sigh...
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Quick question guys, im thinking in buying today the microsoft surface 2 (none pro) with windows RT can i install the standard windows 8.1 so i can download any apps i want as oppose to the windows store? If not then i was thinking in the asus t100, whats your thoughts on this?
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You certainly can not. An ARM processor is very different from an x86 processor. Go for a Surface Pro. They're fantastic.
Is it possible, in any way, to get Windows 10 mobile on a Surface 2 RT tablet? Since Windows 10 is a no-show on RT devices, it would be nice with a hint of upgrades on this nice tablet..
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Is it possible, in any way, to get Windows 10 mobile on a Surface 2 RT tablet? Since Windows 10 is a no-show on RT devices, it would be nice with a hint of upgrades on this nice tablet..
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there is no Update for Surface2 RT
I know that, but like a "hack" of some sort, to get the Mobile rom on to the Surface?
At the moment no!
Hello Guys, i have a surface rt 2 for several months, but the os (think win 8.1 rt) is really a shame, slow, can't read all videaos format ... by consequence, i want to know if it was possible to upgrade to win 10 or the best thing to do with my surface (maybe it's possible to install android ).
Thanks a lot .
Yannis
France
misteryannis said:
Hello Guys, i have a surface rt 2 for several months, but the os (think win 8.1 rt) is really a shame, slow, can't read all videaos format ... by consequence, i want to know if it was possible to upgrade to win 10 or the best thing to do with my surface (maybe it's possible to install android ).
Thanks a lot .
Yannis
France
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Yannis, MS Surface RT and Surface 2 RT are ARM based processors!
No Windows 10 will ever work, Windows 10 is for x86/x64 based processors!
Android will not be possible to install neither!
You have to use it as it is!
So I've gotten to use the ported apps via jailbreaking my Surface RT. But one thing I haven't seen anyone do yet is put a true X86 emulator out. Has anyone looked into just making a full X86 emulator (maybe based around Wine since it works on ARM platforms both ARM and ARM64) metro app and putting it on the Windows 8.1 Store? I mean I can't imagine Microsoft would have a problem with that, especially since we'd be using open source software and it would be an app not even a what we have been doing in the past. I mean even if we made an app that required jailbreaking, that would be fantastic. In that case, we could use the sideloader app that was ported over. Also, what is happening with Windows Mobile 8.1 or even 10 on Windows RT 8.1 devices? Has anyone besides Black_blob got it working on their RT device? And if so, could someone post a tutorial of it? I'm hoping that this new thread will help clear up some of my own questions along with anyone else. I get that Microsoft killed off RT and have no plans to revive it (cough cough Windows 10S or Windows 10 on ARM). I know that I am assuming a lot by saying we could just port Wine over, as I have never created or ported anything in my life. I have a basic understanding of what goes into it. But I would be willing to do all I can to help bring something like an app emulator to life. I own 2 Surface RT's and I'm willing to do experiments with them.