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[Q] Windows 7 Standalone/Dual Boot?

Is there any possibility to load Windows 7 standalone on Asus Transformer or better still have the option for Dual boot Windows 7 along with Honeycomb?

From what I've read windows 7 currently is impossible but may be possible on future windows iterations. Ubuntu is a possibility tho ..... see separate threads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows#Windows_8
I don't know about Windows 7, however Windows 8 has already been demonstrated running on a Tegra 2 processor. So it may be a possibility for the Transformer. A beta is rumored to be available in September 2011.

wilbur-force said:
From what I've read windows 7 currently is impossible but may be possible on future windows iterations. Ubuntu is a possibility tho ..... see separate threads.
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^This You can't run Win7 on arm
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smartbuddy said:
Is there any possibility to load Windows 7 standalone on Asus Transformer or better still have the option for Dual boot Windows 7 along with Honeycomb?
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Search? This question has been answered at least 20 times.

lost101 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows#Windows_8
I don't know about Windows 7, however Windows 8 has already been demonstrated running on a Tegra 2 processor. So it may be a possibility for the Transformer. A beta is rumored to be available in September 2011.
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And when it does become available, it will be largely useless. Do you think that the wealth of Windows apps are suddenly going to work in an ARM version of Windows 8? Think again. Every single app on Windows is compiled for the x86/x64 bytecode and will have to be recompiled for the ARM instruction set.
MS would be better off developing a tablet version of Windows Phone 7 and forget about squishing a desktop OS onto a tablet.

Trouble is, WinPhone requires a total rewrite of your apps. In theory, WinARM would at least be compatible at the source level. The idea isn't to run existing apps but to make porting them as painless as possible. Assuming WinARM is targeted at tablets (and not, for example, desktops/laptops with nVidia's Denver chip), developers would have to do nothing more than write a new UI and recompile (and as .NET already runs on a VM, x86-ARM differences shouldn't be much of an issue).

wiredmonkey said:
Search? This question has been answered at least 20 times.
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Can you provide me atleast 10 links out of 20, Mr. Search Master? As i could not find it ...
Thanks guys for clearing the doubt, i hope windows 8, comes out soon for Tegra 2 devices.

Unlike Linux, recompiling Win apps for the ARM is not easy do to x86 hooks that are incorporated. Think directx, activex, etc.

True but if you are using .Net Framework it should not be that painful. I had some of my WinForms apps working in mono in no time. I have not tried with WPF yet but it is on my list.
So as long as the Framework supports it, open the solution, rebuild it and run.

Why not merge Windows RT with WP. What differentiates Windows RT?

At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.

Gadgety said:
At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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How are you going to pocket a 10 inch tablet?
RT is like android and iOS. Price is like your desktop windows. There is a world of difference. RT wont run PC apps, only metro apps. I expect the pro will run metro apps so the all in one you want is the Pro.

That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
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There is a world of difference. RT wont run PC apps, only metro apps.
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Your post is off-topic. The OP is comparing WinRT v WP8 and not WinRT v Windows 8.

Gadgety said:
At first I was interested in the Windows RT Surface because it offers the Office suite. Then I started thinking, what does Windows RT offer that WP8 doesn't? They share the same kernel. But RT is limited to Metroized apps and you cannot use it as a phone. Why have two limited platforms? Merge them into one. I want a "one in all" pocketable device with Powerpoint, Word and Excel, that does the Nokia Drive, and, in a future iteration has a Windows Pureview camera.
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windows mobile was suppose to be that merger back in 2005 but that failed horribly
maybe someone will make an app for windows8 that will provide voip calling

daAppu said:
That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
Your post is off-topic. The OP is comparing WinRT v WP8 and not WinRT v Windows 8.
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Doh. My bad.. I was thinking of Windows pro 8 not phone 8
Bie!

RT is slimmer and consumes less operational power. It will be limited to Metro apps.
W8 requires more computing power and is more bulky than the previously mentioned. It will have the ability to run both Metro apps and standard windows compatible programs.

Windows phone 8 not windows pro 8
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part of the confusion is OP's fault for using "Windows RT" and then "WP" which can be seen as both Windows Phone 8 and Windows Pro 8.
anyway I guess windows phone 8 won't have a desktop but I haven't looked at any of the windows phone 8 stuff yet.

daAppu said:
That's what I've been scratching my head over. I mean, come on! What's difference between WinRT and WP8?! I'm concluding that WinRT is is basically WP8 with price of Windows 8. Just pure marketing gimmick.
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Other than the totally different UI? I think they still have some differences and it's only the kernel that's the same right now.
I guess with W9/WP9 those differences will also go away and it really would be just a UI that works better on a smaller device.
The licensing costs for OEMs would still be different somehow. It's too expensive anyway. They're overcharging for the winrt license and then they also make 20-30% of sales on their app store (which with windows devices could end up being a lot more than the license)

nbates66 said:
part of the confusion is OP's fault for using "Windows RT" and then "WP" which can be seen as both Windows Phone 8 and Windows Pro 8.
anyway I guess windows phone 8 won't have a desktop but I haven't looked at any of the windows phone 8 stuff yet.
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Thanks to all for replies. I thought Windows Phone 8 is (officially?) abbreviated WP8 while Windows 8 is abbreviated W8. I've never seen Windows 8 as WP anywhere else. WP can now be read as Windows Phone and Windows Pro!?
However I recognize the confusion, and rather than take that blame you want to attribute to me, I wonder if this is more further confusion created by Microsoft. Windows Phone --> WPH
Basically I wonder why they don't launch one OS to serves both phones and tablets? It seems RT and the WPH OS could be merged beyond just the kernel. The RT seems to have essentially everything except the phone functionality... Would generate more interesting integrated devices. How about a 7'' RT with phone ability, for example.

WinRT WILL have the desktop, unlike Windows Phone 8. It WILL do almost everything that Windows 8 can and more - except it won't run x86/x64 compiled programs, but will have device encryption instead of drive encryption. To see what Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro and Windows RT are capable of find the Microsoft comparison table in one of their public announcements.
Stop speculating, find the facts.

As pointed out already, the differences would be different, even if they seem very close as os
I would add, also, that the WP had to call the module, which certainly will not have the tablet with Windows 8 RT (up to Skype, but also through non-cellular data network

So bottom line, WinRT is in the middle of WP8 and W8?
With the lack of Metro apps as of right now, I'm a little bit worried that if I buy a WinRT Surface that I will be having a hard time finding quality apps, does anyone agree?

xinn3r said:
So bottom line, WinRT is in the middle of WP8 and W8?
With the lack of Metro apps as of right now, I'm a little bit worried that if I buy a WinRT Surface that I will be having a hard time finding quality apps, does anyone agree?
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No. There are big and small differences. For the average person, having a Windows RT device means they can't run their normal Windows programs and IT departments won't be able to integrate Windows RT devices with their Active Directory forests like they will be able to do with Windows 8 Pro machines, but they'll be able to make Metro apps available (or install them on) to Windows Phone 8 and at the very least Windows 9 Pro machines, possibly Windows RT, this part is a bit vague.
With 100,000 apps there are plenty to choose from ! How many apps on Play and the App Store are just rewrites by another wannabe rich dev copying someone elses idea ? Or a paid version and a free version and HD version and a HD free version with limited content ? When I first got my Android phone, there were only around 100,000 apps to iOS's nearly 400,000 and now Android has well over 600,000 less than 2 years on! MS are trying to make it easy for iOS and Android Devs to port their apps, which will hopefully encourage app growth.
With the same Metro Apps being available on Windows Phone 8, Windows RT and Windows 8 (and backwards compatible with Windows Phone 7 if the developer so chooses!) I can't see a problem. The unifying of Windows starts now people, before the iOS/OS X eventual merger in 2-3 years time and imo better than Android. Stop pissing into the wind, speculating and do some actual research on the subject.

A year ago the argument FOR wp7 was "I don't need all those apps, my os has facebook baked in."
Now, the idea that wp8 can share apps with w8 might be getting devs interested ?
Ill bet the devs are waiting to see the w8 app store functioning before they sink money into the platform.

Windows RT has a Desktop.
They are essentially the same thing, but then again so is Windows 8 and Windows RT, they just run on different architectures.

There are lots of differences, Windows RT is semi mobile whiles windows phone is fully fledged mobile OS but I suspect they will merge it in the future.Windows 9 and Wp9
But the main reason I suspect they didn't do it was because of the apps
Windows phone even though it has 120,000 apps after 2 years and is struggling to get apps, Windows 8 already has some 9,000 apps.The shear reason that Windows 8 and Windows RT can both run Metro apps means WIndows RT it will get developer attention, that wouldn't have happened if they went with Windows Phone /WIndows RT .
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I don't get the compaints with lack of apps... they are doing the best they can in terms of getting apps. Just last week there were 5000 apps, by Friday there were over 9000 apps already. Its not ideal but they are doing a tremendous job..
http://www.neowin.net/news/report-over-9000-windows-8-apps-for-launch-day

iTunes etc

Will we have iTunes and other windows apps
This is a deal breaker
I'm also confused is windows Rt not a regular windows
I want a tablet with a full windows on it and the surface looks nice

you will probably need surface pro with Intel Cpu to install iTunes. It is doubtful that Apple will develop a windows rt (metro) version of iTunes that will run on the standard surface with ARM.
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So it won't run exe apps
I'm looking for a tablet that can without breaking the bank
Don't need a gaint windows "itouch"

With the new developer tools, there is always a chance there will be 3 versions of a newly developed app.
The developer picks who to compile for. ( compile for x86 Pro, Arm RT, Arm WP8 )
So right now there is no iTunes for RT, so you will have to wait the extra month and get the Surface Pro ( Intel ).
However I think in time there will be a version of iTunes for RT. What company says...."no thanks we make enough over here".....

I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of desktop apps will be recompiled for ARM tbh, even if it is via some sort of Jailbreak system

come at me bro said:
Will we have iTunes and other windows apps
This is a deal breaker
I'm also confused is windows Rt not a regular windows
I want a tablet with a full windows on it and the surface looks nice
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You want the worst app ever created to run on a tablet? Come at me bro!!!!!!!

Why would you want iTunes. The beauty of MS is you don't have to go through a program to load music. Just drop and go. Its already been verified that the Surface will run Apple's music format files.

guitar1969 said:
Why would you want iTunes. The beauty of MS is you don't have to go through a program to load music. Just drop and go. Its already been verified that the Surface will run Apple's music format files.
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i'm going to guess the OP has an iDevice and wants to be able to sync it. but unless apple releases a metro style ARM version of itunes, it's just not going to happen. but with ios6, the need to sync with your computer is lessened with apple finally moving more data into the cloud.
if you plug an idevice into an RT tablet, you should be able to pull pictures on and off of it.
but making it seem like a terrible thing doesn't make sense, if that was logical, then one should be able to sync an android or windows phone handset to an ipad, which is even further from ever happening. to use a windows tablet like a laptop replacement, you need x86/64 based hardware, the RT devices were never meant to be used as laptop replacements, they are companion devices, just like an ipad or android tablet.

wrexus said:
you will probably need surface pro with Intel Cpu to install iTunes. It is doubtful that Apple will develop a windows rt (metro) version of iTunes that will run on the standard surface with ARM.
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If they ever did that it would be on the iPad first and then the surface. But you know it ain't gonna happen.
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im_awesome_right? said:
If they ever did that it would be on the iPad first and then the surface. But you know it ain't gonna happen.
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why would the ipad need an itunes sync client? so it can sync with itself on itself?
if windows RT takes off this holiday season i can see apple releasing an ARM itunes client that works similar to how the windows phone client works on the mac, not a ton of functionality but can do basic syncs.

adiliyo said:
why would the ipad need an itunes sync client? so it can sync with itself on itself?
if windows RT takes off this holiday season i can see apple releasing an ARM itunes client that works similar to how the windows phone client works on the mac, not a ton of functionality but can do basic syncs.
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Yeah I would love to see MS allowing that in the Windows Store

ubuntu on surface on vivo tab?

Any one know is it possible to install ubuntu for tablets on Surface or Asus vivo tab? Any work in this direction?

are we talking ARM or x86. Both the surface and vivotab are available in either version.
For the ARM tablets (surface RT and vivotab RT) then no.
For the x86 tablets, still no as ubuntu for tablets is for ARM at this moment in time. It could probably be recompiled for x86 though. Also you already have access to full ubuntu anyway.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
are we talking ARM or x86. Both the surface and vivotab are available in either version.
For the ARM tablets (surface RT and vivotab RT) then no.
For the x86 tablets, still no as ubuntu for tablets is for ARM at this moment in time. It could probably be recompiled for x86 though. Also you already have access to full ubuntu anyway.
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Hi SixSixSevenSeven
Not that I know the answer.
But you say the ARM version of ubuntu will not work on Surface RT.
Can you please explain why this will not work?

phuongpham said:
Hi SixSixSevenSeven
Not that I know the answer.
But you say the ARM version of ubuntu will not work on Surface RT.
Can you please explain why this will not work?
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UEFI secure boot and driver signing.
The surface has been locked down so it will only boot into code signed by microsoft. Ubuntu is not signed by microsoft so will not boot.
Maybe one day someone will find a workaround hack. When that day comes you may then be able to have ubuntu on the Surface RT. Right now though it is not possible to run anything other than Windows RT. It might take months or even years before someone finds an exploit that we can use or it might never happen. If thats what you want to do on your device then maybe the surface RT isnt for you.
The surface pro (intel core i5 which is an x86 chip) however can have its secure boot disabled in the control panel and does not need driver signing. Being a regular x86 device the pro is not actually any different from any other laptop or desktop you have bought and provided with either a bootable USB stick or a USB optical drive will run the full version of ubuntu.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
UEFI secure boot and driver signing.
The surface has been locked down so it will only boot into code signed by microsoft. Ubuntu is not signed by microsoft so will not boot.
Maybe one day someone will find a workaround hack. When that day comes you may then be able to have ubuntu on the Surface RT. Right now though it is not possible to run anything other than Windows RT. It might take months or even years before someone finds an exploit that we can use or it might never happen. If thats what you want to do on your device then maybe the surface RT isnt for you.
The surface pro (intel core i5 which is an x86 chip) however can have its secure boot disabled in the control panel and does not need driver signing. Being a regular x86 device the pro is not actually any different from any other laptop or desktop you have bought and provided with either a bootable USB stick or a USB optical drive will run the full version of ubuntu.
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Thanks for your feedback :good:
I think this answer make it clear for at lease me

X86 Emulator for Store or WP 8.1/10 on RT?

So I've gotten to use the ported apps via jailbreaking my Surface RT. But one thing I haven't seen anyone do yet is put a true X86 emulator out. Has anyone looked into just making a full X86 emulator (maybe based around Wine since it works on ARM platforms both ARM and ARM64) metro app and putting it on the Windows 8.1 Store? I mean I can't imagine Microsoft would have a problem with that, especially since we'd be using open source software and it would be an app not even a what we have been doing in the past. I mean even if we made an app that required jailbreaking, that would be fantastic. In that case, we could use the sideloader app that was ported over. Also, what is happening with Windows Mobile 8.1 or even 10 on Windows RT 8.1 devices? Has anyone besides Black_blob got it working on their RT device? And if so, could someone post a tutorial of it? I'm hoping that this new thread will help clear up some of my own questions along with anyone else. I get that Microsoft killed off RT and have no plans to revive it (cough cough Windows 10S or Windows 10 on ARM). I know that I am assuming a lot by saying we could just port Wine over, as I have never created or ported anything in my life. I have a basic understanding of what goes into it. But I would be willing to do all I can to help bring something like an app emulator to life. I own 2 Surface RT's and I'm willing to do experiments with them.