Any one know is it possible to install ubuntu for tablets on Surface or Asus vivo tab? Any work in this direction?
are we talking ARM or x86. Both the surface and vivotab are available in either version.
For the ARM tablets (surface RT and vivotab RT) then no.
For the x86 tablets, still no as ubuntu for tablets is for ARM at this moment in time. It could probably be recompiled for x86 though. Also you already have access to full ubuntu anyway.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
are we talking ARM or x86. Both the surface and vivotab are available in either version.
For the ARM tablets (surface RT and vivotab RT) then no.
For the x86 tablets, still no as ubuntu for tablets is for ARM at this moment in time. It could probably be recompiled for x86 though. Also you already have access to full ubuntu anyway.
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Hi SixSixSevenSeven
Not that I know the answer.
But you say the ARM version of ubuntu will not work on Surface RT.
Can you please explain why this will not work?
phuongpham said:
Hi SixSixSevenSeven
Not that I know the answer.
But you say the ARM version of ubuntu will not work on Surface RT.
Can you please explain why this will not work?
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UEFI secure boot and driver signing.
The surface has been locked down so it will only boot into code signed by microsoft. Ubuntu is not signed by microsoft so will not boot.
Maybe one day someone will find a workaround hack. When that day comes you may then be able to have ubuntu on the Surface RT. Right now though it is not possible to run anything other than Windows RT. It might take months or even years before someone finds an exploit that we can use or it might never happen. If thats what you want to do on your device then maybe the surface RT isnt for you.
The surface pro (intel core i5 which is an x86 chip) however can have its secure boot disabled in the control panel and does not need driver signing. Being a regular x86 device the pro is not actually any different from any other laptop or desktop you have bought and provided with either a bootable USB stick or a USB optical drive will run the full version of ubuntu.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
UEFI secure boot and driver signing.
The surface has been locked down so it will only boot into code signed by microsoft. Ubuntu is not signed by microsoft so will not boot.
Maybe one day someone will find a workaround hack. When that day comes you may then be able to have ubuntu on the Surface RT. Right now though it is not possible to run anything other than Windows RT. It might take months or even years before someone finds an exploit that we can use or it might never happen. If thats what you want to do on your device then maybe the surface RT isnt for you.
The surface pro (intel core i5 which is an x86 chip) however can have its secure boot disabled in the control panel and does not need driver signing. Being a regular x86 device the pro is not actually any different from any other laptop or desktop you have bought and provided with either a bootable USB stick or a USB optical drive will run the full version of ubuntu.
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Thanks for your feedback :good:
I think this answer make it clear for at lease me
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Hi everyone!
EeePad transformer is for me a real good tablet and it would be perfect if it could fit my regular computer use. That's why i'm asking if there is a way to put windows 7 (not windows phone 7) on it...Like a kind of dual boot...
I know there are way to put ubuntu on a HTC Desire HD, but i think its different...
Thanks for your help.
Afraid not. Windows 7 does not (and will probably never) support the Tegra 2 platform.
You could connect to your Windows PC using RDP/VNC though - maybe that will be usefull for your purposes.
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Though you might eventually be able to put ubuntu on it... maybe that would serve your purposes?
There's no ARM version of Windows 7, so this isnt possible just yet though Windows 8 will have an ARM version.
Ubuntu, and other Linux flavours, do have ARM versions, so I wouldn't be surprised if Transformer specific ports turn up sooner or later.
Regards,
Dave
Windows 8 should have ARM support......and tablet mode...
But will the 1GIG ram be sufficient is another thing.
But there is an Windows Embedded (NOT Windows Phone/Mobile) out there which supports ARM and it supports all windows 7 Programms/Driver. so it could be a nice alternative?
Nope. Windows CE/Embedded/Phone doesn't support Windows 7 programs or drivers (and vice versa). Windows 8 for ARM will have the same problem (unless they add some emulator).
Typical Windows applications are written for x86 (Intel, AMD) platoform ONLY. Some Java and .NET applications can be run on other platforms but it's another story.
IE10 shown running on Windows 8 with NVIDIA Tegra
Check this out....should answer allot of ??
http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=9954
dcmtnbkr said:
Though you might eventually be able to put ubuntu on it... maybe that would serve your purposes?
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and so? how we can install ubuntu in eee pad trasformer? i'm serius!
Asus makes a slate that dual boots Android & W7.
can you post a link to this dual booting table? I would love to be able to put windows 7 on the transformer
Look for Asus Slate on google, it's not hard. It doesn't have Android though - but you could probably install and dual boot Android x86 (there is no HoneyComb version of it yet, but Intel probably works on it).
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Look for Asus Slate on google, it's not hard. It doesn't have Android though - but you could probably install and dual boot Android x86 (there is no HoneyComb version of it yet, but Intel probably works on it).
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Asus slate is too expensive, who wants $1,300 tablet, that too with windows?
they are really crazy a tablet of $1300 its really expensive... and useless...
vivi7 said:
and so? how we can install ubuntu in eee pad trasformer? i'm serius!
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It has to do with processor compatibility.... Ubuntu supports ARM platform
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I was going to say this will never be possible, although theoretically it should be possible to get Windows 7 to run on the transformer but it would probably be slow as hell.
Here's my idea: Install Ubuntu on the tf, (compile and) install virtualbox, install windows 7 virtually, profit!
Hello.
Is it possible? I mean, the Windows 8 compatible with ARM processors has been launched, well, I have a gingerbread tablet (or an big smarthphone) and I'm asking if it is possible, I think yes, but if yes, how it will be? Like on PCs, "just" install? Or like the android way: Putting right libs and bla bla bla?
Actually it is not possible. Win RT only sold with hardware. Hardware needs UEFI secure boot to run win8 rt.
Maybe some day there will be a workaround... but I won't count on that.
Sent from my Transformer Prime.
Not yet
We are not yet ready for that kind of dual booting yet. Only Oem's do right now. Windows 8 aint even out yet
Hi all. Im sure that Surface is powerful device.I am a developer and I use VS and SQL server.I'm asking to you guys that surface can work well? I mean,for instance,Im working on a project on my desktop with these programs,can I be able to run my project in surface perfectly?
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I'm almost sure that you won't be able to use those on the RT ARM version (AFAIK there aren't even ARM versions of VS and MSSQL, at the moment).
Also, Visual Studio is something badly heavy... so I doubt that they will compile it for the ARM tablet.
About the x86 Surface, well, it's an Core i5, 64bits! There will run almost everything.
If it works on any windows 8 i5 laptop, it will work in surface pro. Avoid surface RT like the plague though.
phailyoor said:
If it works on any windows 8 i5 laptop, it will work in surface pro. Avoid surface RT like the plague though.
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Maybe in the future there might be an Visual Studio Express addition for Windows RT.
They managed to port entire kernal from x86 to ARM and VS is a x86.
But the biggest problem is probably legacy DLLs and realy old stuff, that is probably not ported to new core OS.
That means, Microsoft needs to figure out, how to enable ARM desktop development without those old stuff.
I think this is the primary reason, why Windows RT desktop isn't opened for 3rd party developers.
They probably rewrote only specific DLLs to ARM, just enough to make Office work.
I wish, but however seems very unlikely! Personally wouldn't want to use a tablet to code on anyways. but would be fun for little things!
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Hi all. Im sure that Surface is powerful device.I am a developer and I use VS and SQL server.I'm asking to you guys that surface can work well? I mean,for instance,Im working on a project on my desktop with these programs,can I be able to run my project in surface perfectly?
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app
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Well you can use visual studio for windows 8, and then compile it for ARM, using the remote debugger which you install on windows RT. But it can only develop metro apps.
The only way to use VS and MS SQL on Surface RT at the moment is via Remote Desktop
Surface Pro will run everything (though of course it's thicker, heavier, and won't last as long on battery).
I use RemoteApps for SQL Server Management Server, IIS, and more. It works beautifully.
I haven't tried Visual Studio yet.
Thank you OP. I wanted to ask the same question. In addition to that, does the W8 RT have an emulator to mount .img's? If so, you can use the 2008 Visual Studios image file. it works well with my android tab
Source: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-surface-pro-20130211/
Thanks, but no, I will keep Windows 8.
Talderon said:
Source: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-surface-pro-20130211/
Thanks, but no, I will keep Windows 8.
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Will it work on the RT?
Twiisted said:
Will it work on the RT?
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No, Pro Only.
Talderon said:
No, Pro Only.
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NNNNNOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!:crying:
Twiisted said:
NNNNNOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!:crying:
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The only reason No on the RT is that you can't disable Secure Boot and you would have to find an ARM compiled version of Ubuntu.
The first reason more than anything else will keep you from doing much of anything.
Well... to give you SOME hope: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/11/linux-foundation-secure-boot/
Looks like it may actually come to fruition at some point in the (near?) future.
Talderon said:
Well... to give you SOME hope: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/11/linux-foundation-secure-boot/
Looks like it may actually come to fruition at some point in the (near?) future.
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This is great news considering Ubuntu is already being compiled for ARM devices. e.g. Their new mobile operating system.
Once it drops, it should only be a matter of time before someone cooks it up for the RT... :fingers-crossed:
Twiisted said:
This is great news considering Ubuntu is already being compiled for ARM devices. e.g. Their new mobile operating system.
Once it drops, it should only be a matter of time before someone cooks it up for the RT... :fingers-crossed:
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Well, at least there is SOME light at the end of the tunnel.
Just because a secure boot-compatible segnature is present doesn't mean it will work; there's no way to add your own signing keys to the Surface RT's SB certificate store, so unless your Linux installer is either signed by MS or by another authority that is trusted out of the box, it still won't work.
Also, there's a big difference between recompiling a user-mode application for ARM and recompiling an entire OS. You need a compatible board support package for your processor and hardware. It's possible (and there are already Linux images that run on the Tegra3) but it's not trivial.
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Just because a secure boot-compatible segnature is present doesn't mean it will work; there's no way to add your own signing keys to the Surface RT's SB certificate store, so unless your Linux installer is either signed by MS or by another authority that is trusted out of the box, it still won't work.
Also, there's a big difference between recompiling a user-mode application for ARM and recompiling an entire OS. You need a compatible board support package for your processor and hardware. It's possible (and there are already Linux images that run on the Tegra3) but it's not trivial.
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Way to ruin my dream :/
Twiisted said:
Ubuntu is already being compiled for ARM devices. e.g. Their new mobile operating system.
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Full ubuntu is already available on ARM. Not just their new mobile OS.
Ubuntu on Surface :crying:
Buy a TF300
Caramel said:
Ubuntu on Surface :crying:
Buy a TF300
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I dont see the problem with it tbh. The surface is a genuinely nice piece of hardware, its just some people dont like windows 8.
Now a hackintosh on the surface would be very interesting albeit incredibly unlikely.
I wonder if one of the various android x86 projects would consider a surface pro version.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
I dont see the problem with it tbh. The surface is a genuinely nice piece of hardware, its just some people dont like windows 8.
Now a hackintosh on the surface would be very interesting albeit incredibly unlikely.
I wonder if one of the various android x86 projects would consider a surface pro version.
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I rather wait for windows android to release stable versions. I don't want to reboot and lost true multitasking just to play a mobile game.
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Surface pro with Mountain lion...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icPMg_qkSRs
looks like a fair bit of input latency there, very similar to what I see with remote desktop as opposed to running on the machine. Either that or poor drivers. Either one is possible
or the fact ml isn't supposed to run touchscreen so its not optimised....?
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or the fact ml isn't supposed to run touchscreen so its not optimised....?
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I would class that under poor driver support which I already said....
OSX does support touchscreen anyway.
my surface pro cannot boot from Windows 7 and Linux USBs, it still proceeds to windows 8. (im trying to put windows 7 on it or Linux)
but I can on my Recovery USB. i'm using the down volume method, and tried the advance boot thingy and chose USB method.
So i doubted if my win7 and linux usbs are not bootable, but they both boot well on my other pc.
I also have that EFI boot disabled. im not exactly a noob with tweaks and software installation, i just dont know why my surface pro wont accept those bootable usbs so i can start installing them.
please help.
That's great and all, but I can't find the Marvell drivers for ubuntu at all..
I just got my surface 2 and I love it. I was just wandering if it supports adb for android?
No
SixSixSevenSeven said:
No
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Why, have you tried? Its a full pc with USB surely just a case of installing drivers?
Edit: whoops thinking surface pro
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Why, have you tried? Its a full pc with USB surely just a case of installing drivers?
Edit: whoops thinking surface pro
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Nailed it on last line. ADB works just fine on the pro/pro2 as they are literally just ultrabooks with the motherboard behind the screen which also happens to be a 10" touchscreen.
THe surface RT/surface 2 on paper are physically capable of doing it. Windows RT with either a signed ADB binary or jailbreak and signed/jailbroken drivers could feasibly run the ADB plus all the windows tablets so far (ARM and x86) have USB capability (even most of the ones from years ago running windows 2000 etc had USB). Its getting those drivers and the ADB itself though. ADB doesn't build in under MSVC (the compiler for C/C++ in visual studio). MSVC is the only compiler we have which can target windows desktop on ARM. I think it actually relies on cygwin, which we most certainly do not have for ARM. There are a few open source ADB device drivers out there, most are not though, even so they also wont build under MSVC. SO in theory windows RT could do it, in practice we don't have the tools to do it.