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Is there any possibility to load Windows 7 standalone on Asus Transformer or better still have the option for Dual boot Windows 7 along with Honeycomb?
From what I've read windows 7 currently is impossible but may be possible on future windows iterations. Ubuntu is a possibility tho ..... see separate threads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows#Windows_8
I don't know about Windows 7, however Windows 8 has already been demonstrated running on a Tegra 2 processor. So it may be a possibility for the Transformer. A beta is rumored to be available in September 2011.
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From what I've read windows 7 currently is impossible but may be possible on future windows iterations. Ubuntu is a possibility tho ..... see separate threads.
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^This You can't run Win7 on arm
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smartbuddy said:
Is there any possibility to load Windows 7 standalone on Asus Transformer or better still have the option for Dual boot Windows 7 along with Honeycomb?
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Search? This question has been answered at least 20 times.
lost101 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows#Windows_8
I don't know about Windows 7, however Windows 8 has already been demonstrated running on a Tegra 2 processor. So it may be a possibility for the Transformer. A beta is rumored to be available in September 2011.
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And when it does become available, it will be largely useless. Do you think that the wealth of Windows apps are suddenly going to work in an ARM version of Windows 8? Think again. Every single app on Windows is compiled for the x86/x64 bytecode and will have to be recompiled for the ARM instruction set.
MS would be better off developing a tablet version of Windows Phone 7 and forget about squishing a desktop OS onto a tablet.
Trouble is, WinPhone requires a total rewrite of your apps. In theory, WinARM would at least be compatible at the source level. The idea isn't to run existing apps but to make porting them as painless as possible. Assuming WinARM is targeted at tablets (and not, for example, desktops/laptops with nVidia's Denver chip), developers would have to do nothing more than write a new UI and recompile (and as .NET already runs on a VM, x86-ARM differences shouldn't be much of an issue).
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Search? This question has been answered at least 20 times.
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Can you provide me atleast 10 links out of 20, Mr. Search Master? As i could not find it ...
Thanks guys for clearing the doubt, i hope windows 8, comes out soon for Tegra 2 devices.
Unlike Linux, recompiling Win apps for the ARM is not easy do to x86 hooks that are incorporated. Think directx, activex, etc.
True but if you are using .Net Framework it should not be that painful. I had some of my WinForms apps working in mono in no time. I have not tried with WPF yet but it is on my list.
So as long as the Framework supports it, open the solution, rebuild it and run.
Because I know they made it to tablets and PC
Does it even possible?
i9apps said:
Because I know they made it to tablets and PC
Does it even possible?
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No, it isn't possible. The TF2 on the other hand should be able to handle it just fine.
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never say never !! They alredy showd a demo on a Tegra2 tablet
Maroon Mushroom said:
No, it isn't possible. The TF2 on the other hand should be able to handle it just fine.
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Can you back up what you saying. Is it because you say so? Do you have any links or so to backup your comment? I thought it doesnt need much resources or much lesser as win 7. Even the older intel atom silicons will run on it and with 1 gig ram. If I am wrong please correct me
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Can you back up what you saying. Is it because you say so? Do you have any links or so to backup your comment? I thought it doesnt need much resources or much lesser as win 7. Even the older intel atom silicons will run on it and with 1 gig ram. If I am wrong please correct me
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Just what i am thinking
Would be cool to have some programs that haven't got a open source counter part
But then the next question would be how to have Android Ubuntu and windows 8 lol
I'd probably choose Ubuntu if couldn't have all three windows is what the desktops for after all
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It's not likely to happen unless Microsoft decides to offer an OEM installer of the tablet version of the OS. The current state of tablets and phones is that all of these devices come pre-installed with an OS, with no ability to change which OS is installed without hacking it and voiding the warranty as reflected in the TOS or EULA of the devices. You are sold the device as is with no support from the manufacturer for installing third party software.
The only reason we can still install Android on devices like the iPhone and HP TouchPad is because Android is open source, which allows independent developers to custom tailor the OS to new hardware. Microsoft Windows is not open source, and therefore the burden lies upon Microsoft to work with the manufacturers to develop an inventory of working drivers and bootloaders for full Windows 8 support on tablets.
If you buy a PC without Windows already installed on it, you need an OEM installer disc to install the OS. There is no such thing offered by Microsoft for Windows Phone 7, there has not been any word of a similar solution when Windows 8 hits tablets and phones, nor does there exist consumer phones and tablets that can be bought without an OS pre-installed. For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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There is no such think as a desktop version of Windows 8. Everything is one version - it is only that they have only released x84/64 versions for download as of now.
Nothing is stopping you having an ARM desktop PC if that's what you choose. It's just a processor - nothing to do with form factor.
my tf is going to run win8.
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It's not likely to happen unless Microsoft decides to offer an OEM installer of the tablet version of the OS. The current state of tablets and phones is that all of these devices come pre-installed with an OS, with no ability to change which OS is installed without hacking it and voiding the warranty as reflected in the TOS or EULA of the devices. You are sold the device as is with no support from the manufacturer for installing third party software.
The only reason we can still install Android on devices like the iPhone and HP TouchPad is because Android is open source, which allows independent developers to custom tailor the OS to new hardware. Microsoft Windows is not open source, and therefore the burden lies upon Microsoft to work with the manufacturers to develop an inventory of working drivers and bootloaders for full Windows 8 support on tablets.
If you buy a PC without Windows already installed on it, you need an OEM installer disc to install the OS. There is no such thing offered by Microsoft for Windows Phone 7, there has not been any word of a similar solution when Windows 8 hits tablets and phones, nor does there exist consumer phones and tablets that can be bought without an OS pre-installed. For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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These are really good points. But, since MS is already behind on installing OS on about a billion devices I think Windows 8 is a great opportunity to change their current policy and release an installable iso for ARM, Tegra 2 & 3, i5 & i7, etc. That is my opinion.
But, I would not bet on it.
In other news, I hear lipstick sales are on the rise.
LOL
For your information:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/...-8-developer-program-with-support-for-kal-el/
Possibly! Since Windows 8 will run on ARM devices and Tegra2 is an ARM device.
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Possibly! Since Windows 8 will run on ARM devices and Tegra2 is an ARM device.
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From this link it says the Arm version isn't available yet because it is not finished, isn't Tegra 2 an Arm version?
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/hands-on-windows-8-review-1025259
As expected, Microsoft is using its Build developer conference to distribute a pre-beta, developer preview version of Windows 8 (for x86 PCs only; the hardware to run the ARM version on isn't finished yet).
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If this becomes available for the TF then I will finally have a reason to root the device, dual booting with windows 8 will be a killer. The specs on the the TF should be fine, dual core with 1 gig ram. Moreover it is an optimized touch interface, I can't see myself running to buy a 23 inch touch panel for my desktop just to use Windows 8 as it was designed. Jeez, I will go blind having such a big monitor at arms length.
I can go out today and purchase a retail copy of Windows 7 that I can install on any Intel-based system with the required specs. That's true because the entire PC industry is built around such capabilities.
Will they release a retail copy of ARM-based Windows 8? I dunno. Do they sell embedded versions of Windows at retail? I could see them only selling ARM versions of Windows 8 to OEMs, who custom-install it on their ARM devices. Does that mean it could be made to run on something like the Transformer? I have no idea, but I trust the ingenuity of devs to get it done if it's even remotely possible.
Does that mean I'd use it, if there were no official support? Perhaps not, because these are tools for me as opposed to "just" hobbies. Not that there's anything wrong with it. But I would absolutely use it if Asus were to provide the option and support it.
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windows is what the desktops for after all
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Not really... Windows 8 seems touch optimized IMO. in fact i found it a bit annoying to use on my laptop, nevertheless awesome so I'm keeping Windows 8.
Who is the target market that Microsoft is aiming for with this new OS?
I just don't see traditional PC users running to the stores to upgrade their monitors with touch interface staring at a 24 inch, 1 foot from their face, nor PC users getting used to the Metro interface with no right click traditional mouse support. Let alone the costs of those touch monitors.
If their targeting tablet users I doubt they will make much headway against Apple loyalists so they will go after Android? Android is free, there are little costs associated with the manufactures in using the Android OS, if Samsung, Asus, Acer, toshiba decides to abandon Android and use Windows 8 they will be upping the price for their tablets, would customers pay a premium for an unproven OS? Windows 8 still uses much of Windows 7 core, what about the batt drain?
The more I think about it, I doubt we will get any port over to existing tablets.
The only way I see windows 8 really taking a hold in the tablet field is if it can somehow run traditional x86 windows programs on the arm based version. Otherwise it really has nothing to gain over the competition.
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The only way I see windows 8 really taking a hold in the tablet field is if it can somehow run traditional x86 windows programs on the arm based version. Otherwise it really has nothing to gain over the competition.
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This is it, precisely. Microsoft has said that all Windows apps will run on the ARM version. So, imagine this: a Transformer (2? 3?) with a keyboard dock option and an active digitizer/pen, that can run both tablet-style apps and full-fledged Windows apps.
This would be the absolute best of both worlds: the convenient, instant-on, long-running "casual" tablet device mainly for consumption and light content creation, in a lightweight format that's easy to use in any situation. And that offers precise pen input (which was always outstanding on Windows Tablet PCs) for handwritten notes, diagrams, drawings, etc. Then, pop it in the dock for real work with complete network connectivity, robust file system support, full-sized apps like Office, etc.
If Microsoft gets this right, Windows 8 could be an incredibly compelling platform.
Nvidia has stated that they wish to branch the tegra platform out to desktops. This means that either they are guessing or already know that the operating system will be available in retail form at some point for ARM cpus (at least the way I see it).
as for our particular tablet that probably depends a lot on the manufactures of the hardware components for it and or Asus. The tegra2 SoC does not contain every little thing that is on a tablet. The touch screen controllers, the cameras, the proprietary ports, drive interfaces, and even some of the memory controllers are external of the SoC. The companies that make the drivers for some of these devices will need to release windows 8 ARM versions of their drivers. Now just guessing, I suspect that will happen.
I really don't see MS just releasing an embedded version of windows 8 for the arm platform. More than likely they see it as another path for desktops and laptops and will release an OEM and retail version. As for all the apps working across both ARM and x86 CPUs that will be interesting to see if it comes to be. I think the only way to pull that off is some kind of emulation right? Though app manufactures could make a x86(rather x64) version and an ARM version.
Even if it was available, I would rather have my honeycomb.
Sure Win8 has some touch friendly features built into it, but the OS wasn't built for touch only from the ground up.
We also wouldn't have things like custom ROMs to play with.
I'm running Win8 on 2 of my computers now, but outside of a desktop, I don't think it's practical anymore after Android
hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface , with Android or a light version of Linux
I'm wondering the same
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hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface , with Android or a light version of Linux
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I highly doubt. Microsoft stated a while ago that it will be locked to only W8 due to secure UEFI.
RT will Deffently be locked. PRO not so sure. We have to wait to see what microsoft do here.
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RT will Deffently be locked. PRO not so sure. We have to wait to see what microsoft do here.
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is the pro intel based? if it is than it shouldn't be locked, because Microsoft said they wouldn't be locking x86/x64 tablets/laptops
let it release first
luigi90210 : The surface pro is supposed to be based on quad-core i5s.....so it is intel based.But microsoft probably will still lock it or atleast make it hard to dual-boot other operating systems.
I seriously don't understand why people always want the possibility to dual boot or install another OS on a Windows device, I never hear people whine about those options for iPads or Android tablets.
Why should Microsoft allow everything while other operating systems don't need to allow this?
I hope dual boot will not be possible, just to annoy you people. :victory:
haters gonna hate
Actually there's an app in play to install Linux on android... So I think it's more of having the options as opposed to absolutely needing it
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You can ran windows a Mac and it's working great. People installing other os on different android tablets. Not on IPAD as far as I know.
Windows is very slow as an OS. I'm only using it when I have to run a few dedicated tasks. Plus I have windows 8 cp on my desktop now and don't now if I like on a tablet or not. If I don't do that you simply boot up linux Mint 12.
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Windows is very slow as an OS. .
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...uh what else would you use windows for? if not an OS...
jag1475 said:
hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface , with Android or a light version of Linux
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I don't think dual boot will be possible in surface., and I feel it is already awesome with w8, I don't care for android or linux.,
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Windows is very slow as an OS. I'm only using it when I have to run a few dedicated tasks.
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You cannot be talking about Windows 8. My 5400rpm laptop would boot in around 1:20 with Windows 7 (which is already pretty fast), but with Windows 8 it's about 0:35.
If you read the hardware requirements docs that came out a while ago, all x86 win8 PCs MUST allow the user to disable secure boot. At the same time, all RT tabs must be locked completely.
Even if the Pro version is not locked, remember that its processor is not and ARM.
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Even if the Pro version is not locked, remember that its processor is not and ARM.
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those concerned about secure boot on x86 systems, Matthew garrets blog might be worth following:
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/
apparently the biggest roadblock so far, (since no actual uefi secure boot OS's have been released yet) is actually making Linux compatible with booting from UEFI.
>those concerned about secure boot on x86 systems, Matthew garrets blog might be worth following:
That's not a worry at least for this iteration of Windows on x86. MS' main issue with Win8 is for its mainstream adoption, which to date is not a sure thing. It's virtually giving Win8 away by pricing the upgrade for $40 (or less), and by handing it out to students. Having Windows locking out other OS'es at this point is a dumb idea.
Win8 is going to have a rough time. Businesses tend to be conservative, and having just upgraded to Win7, will likely sit out this iteration. That means the consumer sales will be on point, and a sampling of consumer opinions here and elsewhere indicates a love-hate relationship with Metro. It's great for touch, but it's an annoyance for mouse/KB users, which still comprise the vast majority of the Windows userbase. Having an OS that can't play nice with others may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
WinRT will have even worse sales prospects, with no software base to fall back on. Locking it down and playing dictator is an even dumber idea. At this early junction, techies and enthusiasts will be main driving element for its adoption, and there's no better way to alienate this crowd than to sell a locked down box.
Yes, MS' stated intent is to lock down the RT firmware. We'll see how true that is once RT ships. I'll be surprised if sideloading Metro won't be a reality (via a "hack") on day one.
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You cannot be talking about Windows 8. My 5400rpm laptop would boot in around 1:20 with Windows 7 (which is already pretty fast), but with Windows 8 it's about 0:35.
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What?
Ubuntu boots around 10 seconds. Try it.
>hi all do you thin it will be possible to dual boot the Surface
This would be possible with the Linux Foundation's recent proffered solution to install unsigned OS'es onto Secure Boot systems,
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news...oundation-uefi-secure-boot-system-open-source
The idea is for LF to purchase a key ($99) from MS, use it to sign a pre-bootloader to satisfy the secure boot requirement, then chain it to the actual bootloader of the unsigned OS. This was ostensibly for the x86 platform, but I asked James Bottomley (the blogger) about it, and he said it should work in principle with RT as well.
Whether a solution exists comes down to a business decision rather than a technical feasibility decision. It's up to MS to allow others to play in its soon-to-be walled garden. Given MS' new "devices and services" strategy, it could do an Apple and tell Linux to shove off. My inclination is that MS will play nice, if only out of anti-trust concerns.
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This would be possible with the Linux Foundation's recent proffered solution to install unsigned OS'es onto Secure Boot systems,
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to be honest I prefer Red Hat's solution:
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/18149.html
EDIT: my main reasoning for this is that the "present user test" is mostly useless because the first thing joe blogs will do when a virus attempts to take control of boot and triggers the press key to continue prompt, they'll just press it... the shim loader prompts you to allow the new binary hash first, via an interface.
I am considering buying the Transformer TF700, but I am wondering if it is possible to root the tablet and install Windows 8 on it when W8 is available for purchase?
Regards, Sari
Unlikely, Win 8 requires an encrypted bootloader.
Installing Win8 as a 2nd OS, NO. But running linux as a second OS and Virtual machine windows on it, Yes. Just not sure how stable that would be, or how fluid. You can always wait and see as asus have announced a partnership with Microsoft for a duclboot android windows Pad...maybe, HOPEFULLY, the hardware will be close enough to our infinity for devs to port it over
Its possible. That locked down requirement is for OEMs, I doubt it'd be hardcoded into the OS since that'd be hard to detect or easy to spoof. Asus's WinRT tablets are Tegra 3 based, so depending on which variant they use it might be relatively simple to port.
Very unlikely. I couldn't spout the technicals for you, but it is a very closed down system, and MC certainly doesn't want any modding or porting in any way.
Assuming you mean Windows RT, then...well, I'm sure Microsoft is probably going to do everything they can to ensure that Windows RT doesn't run on anything other than approved devices.
Ah, that's disappointing :l Thanks for your replies!
I used to be very interested in Win 8 but now I am not sure I want it on a Tablet. I know eveybody is saying it is going to be great on tablets, but nobody really knows yet, and I have been an early adopter of other mobile OS products like Win Smartphones, that were big failures. The beauty of Android is it is more open source so its easy to create apps for it, so I am not sure Windows will ever get the kind of app libraries (Free or cheap) Android and IOS have. Looking at Microsoft's history, I am not sure they will excel in this market at this point.
Just my thoughts . .
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... Looking at Microsoft's history, I am not sure they will excel in this market at this point.
Just my thoughts . .
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This ^^ -- given the fact that I've owned several Windows Mobile devices that have hung somewhere in space as far as support and development went and that MS have crashed several of their purportedly groundbreaking devices in the past (the Zune and the Kin spring to mind in particular) doesn't really inspire me with any hope that the Surface and its successors will be anything to drool about, except maybe for 'paper specs'.
For the graphically inclined and those in search for a read, a search for "Microsoft failures" comes up with, amongst others:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Enterprise...osofts-Biggest-Failures-and-Successes-500262/
http://www.money.co.uk/misc/microsofts-biggest-flops-and-failures.htm
http://www.complex.com/tech/2009/05/a-history-of-microsofts-biggest-failures
Just for fun, those.
No way.... The largest software development company in the world has had failures? Who would ever have thought that?
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No way.... The largest software development company in the world has had failures? Who would ever have thought that?
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It's not that they had failures, smart boy -- it's their touting so much 'groundbreaking' stuff that wouldn't even float by itself if you threw it in a lake of polystyrene packaging chips.
Ugh, Win8 with its crappy touchy-feely interface. I am fully convinced that desktop and laptop systems are here to stay, whether for gaming or productivity, so I do not need an interface optimized for mobile touchscreen devices on my rather immobile main piece of trusted hardware.
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Its possible. That locked down requirement is for OEMs, I doubt it'd be hardcoded into the OS since that'd be hard to detect or easy to spoof. Asus's WinRT tablets are Tegra 3 based, so depending on which variant they use it might be relatively simple to port.
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I think we should wait for any publicly available Windows RT firmware for download. It Asus releases Tablet 600 - that would be even better for us.
I recall the first Hackintoshs (based on first Mac OS X 10.4/Tiger for x86) being run on Pentium 4 and AMD platforms. It required VM and very strong BIOS modifications (as Macs had EFI, at that time unavailable for PCs). Then there were some modified kos (kernel objects, i.e. modules) that enabled it running on PCs with stock BIOS. Later a vanilla kernel was compiled that enabled the system work without problems.
Considering Windows RT port, the last step would be most likely impossible as we don't have kernel source (AFAIK the latest Widows source available is that one of Win2000), but nothing prevents us from attempting to run the Windows RT-enabled device firmware on TF700 and trying to debug failures. However, this can take a long time.
I'm more concerned about running any Linux distro in dualboot with Android %)
What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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Is anywhere its firmware?
The main issue would be the bootloader; the resolution in Windows is much easier to fix.
P.S. "I want NATIVE ubuntu on TF700!" - +1. I bought TF700 as a super long-lasting netbook =)
I have the Asus TF600. It has a lower screen Res and twice the ram of the TF700. WIndows RT requires activation just like the desktop version.
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What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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That's wonderful!
When did you buy it?
Have you found the firmware?
I only found this: http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&m=asus vivotab rt - there is only a manual.
Windows activation has never been a probem since its appearance in XP =) The bootloader should be more tricky.
tf700t 1gb ram win8 problem
Even if someone manages to port Win8 over to the tf700, do you think they will curb the use of it by shutting it down from the windows market side?? Especially with RT you wind up at the complete mercy of Microsoft when it comes to applying any apps to the device. I'd be interested in seeing if it could be done as long as there is no hang up on the application side of the equation. Won't do me much good to have a working os with no apps to run on it.
Cheers
hi there the possibilities for our device is endless it is definitely possible for our to dual boot windows xp and android with our device maybe we could make it run on our armv7 processor if someone is able to do this project i can help
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hi there the possibilities for our device is endless it is definitely possible for our to dual boot windows xp and android with our device maybe we could make it run on our armv7 processor if someone is able to do this project i can help
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Windows XP ? Impossible not going to happen, not worth the effort.
Windows 8 RT, Possible, not worth the effort..
Recommendation: If you need or really want to have both, buy a Lenovo or Dell WIndows 8.1 tablet for less than $200 and you will be much happier.
Development Level: Lazy N00b
aaronjasper49 said:
hi there the possibilities for our device is endless it is definitely possible for our to dual boot windows xp and android with our device maybe we could make it run on our armv7 processor if someone is able to do this project i can help
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So you want to Dualboot Windows XP and Android ?
May I know which device you've ?
One thing is sure, YOU CANT DO THAT ON A TAB
Many members including myself got idea of running Windows 8 x86 on Tab 3 10.1 since it have a 32Bits kernel, but nothing happened.
Never
I think this will never happen, because of mainly two things:
1. No drivers available, you would have to write them all cause there are no preconfigured ones.
2. Windows is closed source.
You would need to be a Dev at Samsung, otherwise you will never have an insight into the specific hardware of those devices. Samsung but also Intel (in case of the 10.1) don't publish most of their documents.
No.
hey,
if you want to really understand what windows xp will be like run it through an emulator.
now, don't get me wrong, i loved windows xp, hated everything before it hated everything after it.
apple is bull****.
Linux is beautiful.
Android is commerce riddled slop and needs to die a horrible flamey cinematic death accompanied by bad lighting
and a third rate orchestra trying to play anything while being fed into the woodchipper of your choice.
anyway the point outside of my ranting is, maybe yes but seriously no.
as soon as i figure out how to get a decent lightweight linux distro running on this thing then i might be able to
get wine going. better to get a windows-able tablet pc and dual-boot android x86.
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