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[Q] Tablet... Android or Windows? What do you suggest?

Hello!
I want to buy a tablet for use in school instead of my notebook.
I really love Android Honeycomb but I have some problems here and there...
I will tell you something about what i need and want. I hope some of you can make some good suggestions.
I looked around a bit and three devices were generally suitable... The problem is I don'T know what to take... Win or Android...
The three devices:
-Acer Iconia A500 (or A501)
-Acer Iconia W500 (or W501)
-Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101
Perfect fo me would be to have a dual-booting tablet with Win7 and Honeycomb.
I want to have an easy to handle Tablet. Means I do never want to have a real HArd Disk. Thats why most Windows Tablets are not possible for me.
SSD or Flash / NAND storage is an important criteria.
Next I want my pad to be lightweight meaning I preferr ARM-Platforms as they have much less Hardware. Especially the Fan in x86-HW is annoying in my eyes.
But I need the Tablet for basicly five things:
-Presentations: Animated Presentations like in PowerPoint (That's a Contra Android I think)
-Text (Word or similar - Okay Eee Pad has an office solution)
-Table Calculation (low weight not so important)
-Software engineering (Which is a big Pro for Windows as I don't know apps for Android doing that.
-Gaming: Playing Minigames whan I'm off... Well thats a point where I like Android
And some point for me is the battery time... Unformtunately x86-Hardware is much power consuming in opptsite to ARM.
I'd love to have a device which is able to boot both systems but unfortunately honeycomb is not ported to x86 yet
Well I have a windows server so I could probably use terminal sessions for programming as a workaround
What do you think?
Or would you suggest me another Tablet else than the ones listed above?
Do you believe it will be possible to install Windows 8 onto Eee Pad Transformer?
Probably even DualBoot?

For school purposes, I think a Windows tablet would be your best bet. You just can't get all of the widely used/ popular business features in Android. Plus you don't wanna get distracted during class

I would have to Say Windows if it for school, but then again look into Android with Word power, or use of School related Apps, for which Android I think is perfect because of the use of many many different Apps to help with whatever situation you're in.

I would think Android would be a much better tablet experience than Windows.
Excluding the possibility of Windows 8.

I would like to point out Bluestacks
http://www.bluestacks.com/
Wait a few months, and a dual-booting tablet will be possible
In the meantime, have you used windows 7 with a touchscreen? IMHO, it kinda sucks.

hahah ,very thanks

Well Windows 7 on touchscreen is possible and it is quite usable. I tried one out (Ambiance AT-something)
But I really love Android as I already stated. And it is better in tiouchscreen-use of course.
The school I mean is not a regular school but it is a school wehre you go if you learn a job (don't know the english word for it). I'm learning an IT-Specialist Job so thats not any problem
The question is while looking on each parameter what would be the best choice for me?
None is suitable 100% I guess this will end up in a 45-55 percent decision...
As I you said generally Windows has much more "known" capabilities e.g. MS Office but on the other hand android is much better while talkting from tablets... It is more efficient light-weight (focussing on hardware specs) and when I focus on travelluign I would like to have android as it has more battery lifetime and at the same time the games are better (You have to remember that most windows games are too hardware-hungry to run on a tablet and if they do you have battery times around two hours? )
For my purposes the polaris office Word equivalent is enough.
The presentation thing is okay for small presentations. for bigger ones I'd have to use windows or wait until some software comes out (which will happen I think)
I did not try table caluclation on polaris office yet...
A big plus-point for windows is programming... IS there any software out for android which supports that? I don't think so.
But therefore I could use my server as I already said.
A big plus for android is portabliity and the in my oppinion better games for entertaiment.
Besides the Transformers Screen is awsome in comparison to the Acer...

The transformer does have a nice screen. It's a quite capable tablet, I liked the hardware much more than the Acer. Honeycomb just isnt quite there yet. If It has to work and be easy, go Windows. If it has to be fun go Android

I wouldn't buy any android tablet at the present date, especially if i don't wanna use it mainly as a toy...android is not mature yet, it still has a lot of glitches to be ironed out, on a tablet they can become even more annoying.

It'S exactly what my problem is^^ I want fun but also be able to do my work.
But I don't mind having it a bit more complicated then.
I would instantly say I take a windows thing and use android-x86 ginger as dualboot... But I dislike the x86-Arch-Hardware in a Tablet.

Tablet android 100%

There is already a tablet with dual booting os i.e. android n windows....
here is the link..

rajivshahi said:
There is already a tablet with dual booting os i.e. android n windows....
here is the link..
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Friend I am really sceptic when I see a Dual-Booting Tablet, looking like an ipad coming from Hong Kong and haveing Win7 ULTIMATE on it.
Next there is another doing this from Viewsonic. But installing Android 2.2 or 2.3 on an x86 platform is not the problem...
Honeycomb is not possible unfortunately - YET I know TegaTech is workign on it and it is running. Just google not permitting the release yet.
dari0 said:
Tablet android 100%
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Can you describe why?

Going off what you've said you need it for, and that you don't mind how W7 works on a tablet, I'd say go that route, and install bluestacks when it comes out to get your android games.
Coding inside android is not something I've ever heard about, I know you mentioned it, but I don't know how important it is to you.
If battery life is really important, however, I'd recommended the Asus transformer - massive battery life with the dock, and works great as a netbook or a tablet. Dunno how Google docs or similar works on it as an office suite, but its definitely an option.

Thanks mtmerrick
Your post is exactly what I think.
Win7 is good in software and Transformer in Hardware...
If Transformer 2 was out now I would have bought it... Do you think if I buy TF now I will be able to install WIndows 8 on it when it comes out?
I don't know if it's even possible to install anything there?
//Edit: The Programming part is not important for me. But for School. As said I'd use Terminal Sessions for this purpose when thats the only death criteria for android.

Thank my posts if they helped.
There's been talk of putting windows 8 on android devices already, but its too soon to say if it'll actually be possible. I also want to add, Windows 8 ARM apps are most likely not going to be compatible with windows 8 x86 and x64 programs, if that makes a difference to you.
Android has several office suites avalible, and they're pretty good. I'm not exactly sure how strong they are but I do know they're more then enough for most of my entire office. Add the Transformer's hardware keyboard and you should be good to go.
So, I've effectively talked myself into the Asus Eee Pad Transformer for you. What do you think?

I am sure Windows 8 ARM will support MSOffice and Visual C# Express As wella s there will be a notepad++ compile for ARM so that's really all I need lol

Well Microsoft has already said there'll he a version of Office avalible for ARM, so no need to worry about that. But, as I said, android office apps should be all you need,expically with that hardware keyboard. And the transformer has an HDMI out, if I remember correctly, so that (probably) means dual monitor support, and definitely mirroring. Thing is, most people just don't NEED the full capabilities of windows. Only reasons for my laptop are AutoCAD and iTunes. And if windows 8 ARM is going to require its own programs, honestly, why bother with it?

I agree with you.
Define "need"
I saw ubuntu is able to run on the transformer... That opens a new way =)
Which includes even most programming problems
Does anyone know if I can dualboot Android and Ubuntu on the Transformer?
If yes I know what I will buy

android of cos....

[Q] Windows 8 on TF300T: feasible or just a dream?

I want ask experts around here if there is really a chance of windows 8 being installed in our TF300T in the future? a month from now windows 8 will be out but I have no clue if it will be available for TF300T. I'm really pissed in looking for a powerpoint alternative that can create "quality" presentations in android. If it is really a big NO then I might opt for an upcoming windows 8 tablet which I don't want to do as I'm enjoying my TF300T now except for the presentation part which I badly need for work. Thanks!

The big issue, or one of the big issues, is it would pirating windows 8.
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No it wouldn't it would just be renovating just like Apple.
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windose? that would be terrible to ruin such a nice tablet.

Wouldn't Ubuntu(Linux) be easyier to port?
I don't know much about Ubuntu but I think there you could also get styles and of ubuntu you could get the license easier (if there is one, I'm not sure...)

migs_jaime said:
I want ask experts around here if there is really a chance of windows 8 being installed in our TF300T in the future? a month from now windows 8 will be out but I have no clue if it will be available for TF300T. I'm really pissed in looking for a powerpoint alternative that can create "quality" presentations in android. If it is really a big NO then I might opt for an upcoming windows 8 tablet which I don't want to do as I'm enjoying my TF300T now except for the presentation part which I badly need for work. Thanks!
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Why dont you just remote desktop to a home PC using splashtop 2, OR buy a subcription to OnLive Desktop (if you are the US). It gives you a full windows environment for a set monthly fee.

mcall_r said:
Why dont you just remote desktop to a home PC using splashtop 2, OR buy a subcription to OnLive Desktop (if you are the US). It gives you a full windows environment for a set monthly fee.
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unfortnately i'm from the philippines and theres no app similar to onlive desktop that is available in here. My PC at home is being used by my wife so I can't make use of the remote desktop as well.

migs_jaime said:
unfortnately i'm from the philippines and theres no app similar to onlive desktop that is available in here. My PC at home is being used by my wife so I can't make use of the remote desktop as well.
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You can download the app from my dropbox here
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uscnxvtf320ct2t/com.onlive.desktop-104621.apk
You may need to go to the onlive site to make an account first, or if you have an account for the onlive gaming app, you can also use that.

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I love windows 8 *_* The tf300 has the tegra 3 cpu... And w8 rtm is based on this cpu... it's impossible to see it on tf300?

I haven't much knowledge in this topic, but I'm guessing the bootloader locking by Microsoft will be the main issue to work against for an android/Windows 8 RT dual booting tablet.

Experiment!!!
By this time I already have a Zenbook Prime running W8.
As all of us know there is special version of the OS for ARM processors called Windows 8 RTM.
The transformer has a dock station which has USB 2.0. So in theory it is possible to load from USB-drive BUT
I don't know if the transformer's motherboard has BIOS or smth else.
I'm gonna have an experiment and give u the results
And ofcourse if u know smth else, please share it:good:

That would need to made a complete new bootloader for our device, and we don't have any sources of it and on JB we can not flash any custom bootloader because it is signed by ASUS, so just a dream, forget about this idea.

And the storage is sooo small for W8

iTunes etc

Will we have iTunes and other windows apps
This is a deal breaker
I'm also confused is windows Rt not a regular windows
I want a tablet with a full windows on it and the surface looks nice

you will probably need surface pro with Intel Cpu to install iTunes. It is doubtful that Apple will develop a windows rt (metro) version of iTunes that will run on the standard surface with ARM.
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So it won't run exe apps
I'm looking for a tablet that can without breaking the bank
Don't need a gaint windows "itouch"

With the new developer tools, there is always a chance there will be 3 versions of a newly developed app.
The developer picks who to compile for. ( compile for x86 Pro, Arm RT, Arm WP8 )
So right now there is no iTunes for RT, so you will have to wait the extra month and get the Surface Pro ( Intel ).
However I think in time there will be a version of iTunes for RT. What company says...."no thanks we make enough over here".....

I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of desktop apps will be recompiled for ARM tbh, even if it is via some sort of Jailbreak system

come at me bro said:
Will we have iTunes and other windows apps
This is a deal breaker
I'm also confused is windows Rt not a regular windows
I want a tablet with a full windows on it and the surface looks nice
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You want the worst app ever created to run on a tablet? Come at me bro!!!!!!!

Why would you want iTunes. The beauty of MS is you don't have to go through a program to load music. Just drop and go. Its already been verified that the Surface will run Apple's music format files.

guitar1969 said:
Why would you want iTunes. The beauty of MS is you don't have to go through a program to load music. Just drop and go. Its already been verified that the Surface will run Apple's music format files.
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i'm going to guess the OP has an iDevice and wants to be able to sync it. but unless apple releases a metro style ARM version of itunes, it's just not going to happen. but with ios6, the need to sync with your computer is lessened with apple finally moving more data into the cloud.
if you plug an idevice into an RT tablet, you should be able to pull pictures on and off of it.
but making it seem like a terrible thing doesn't make sense, if that was logical, then one should be able to sync an android or windows phone handset to an ipad, which is even further from ever happening. to use a windows tablet like a laptop replacement, you need x86/64 based hardware, the RT devices were never meant to be used as laptop replacements, they are companion devices, just like an ipad or android tablet.

wrexus said:
you will probably need surface pro with Intel Cpu to install iTunes. It is doubtful that Apple will develop a windows rt (metro) version of iTunes that will run on the standard surface with ARM.
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If they ever did that it would be on the iPad first and then the surface. But you know it ain't gonna happen.
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im_awesome_right? said:
If they ever did that it would be on the iPad first and then the surface. But you know it ain't gonna happen.
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why would the ipad need an itunes sync client? so it can sync with itself on itself?
if windows RT takes off this holiday season i can see apple releasing an ARM itunes client that works similar to how the windows phone client works on the mac, not a ton of functionality but can do basic syncs.

adiliyo said:
why would the ipad need an itunes sync client? so it can sync with itself on itself?
if windows RT takes off this holiday season i can see apple releasing an ARM itunes client that works similar to how the windows phone client works on the mac, not a ton of functionality but can do basic syncs.
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Yeah I would love to see MS allowing that in the Windows Store

[Q] Surface legacy software suport

Hi guys, i am just wondering how the things going with the legacy apps/software on Surface?
Is it possible to run any apps/software on Surface which are running under xp/vista/w7/w8 ?

HeartKiller said:
Hi guys, i am just wondering how the things going with the legacy apps/software on Surface?
Is it possible to run any apps/software on Surface which are running under xp/vista/w7/w8 ?
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No, it is not possible to run legacy apps. Eventually we may be able to run recompiled versions of these apps, but an app from xp will not run on the surface at any point without at least first being compiled for arm

It will run on surface pro, not surface rt

spaco22 said:
It will run on surface pro, not surface rt
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Aha, that is sounds good.
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-us/surface-with-windows-8-pro/home - future version will do run legacy apps.
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/surface-with-windows-rt/home - current version is lucking that.
For me it is looks like MS released useless device, because as a Surface user if I am not able to run legacy apps - such device is completely useless
Yes it may be all right for HoseWife users but for Experienced users such device is completely rubbish.

HeartKiller said:
Yes it may be all right for HoseWife users but for Experienced users such device is completely rubbish.
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If you were an experienced user, you would have known what Windows RT was about without having to ask.
I can do plenty of real world work using the Surface, because I use it as a companion device to better equipped machines.
I am a IT professional, but I would not trade the battery life of the ARM based Surface with the power of an Intel based Surface Pro.
Just because something doesn't suit your purposes, doesn't make it rubbish!
As it is, by coming onto this forum making posts such as yours, you're just a troll.
Regards,
Dave
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HeartKiller said:
Yes it may be all right for HoseWife users but for Experienced users such device is completely rubbish.
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From the man who has owned 2 Motorola Razrs and a Siemens mobile phone. :highfive:

zing

Thank you guys for your replies.
But I would of thought that real man users would of guess that after "30th December 2012 at 11:41 AM" the question is kind of closed
Anyway I completely agree and it is exactly what I meant - if something is rubbish to me it is doesn't mean that it is nor rubbish for everybody.
Have a fun with your Surface RT if you already got one.
As for me I rather would wait unitl Pro ver released, but still not sure yet if I can by that because may be I am sill not experienced enough.
May be before to by Pro I need to by 5 iPhones, 10 iPads and some Galaxy tabls so I can put that phones in to my signature to look like a real man.

HeartKiller said:
Anyway I completely agree and it is exactly what I meant - if something is rubbish to me it is doesn't mean that it is nor rubbish for everybody.
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May be before to by Pro I need to by 5 iPhones, 10 iPads and some Galaxy tabls so I can put that phones in to my signature to look like a real man.
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if it was what you meant you wouldn't have called everyone housewife users.
You don't need a million devices, just expect an insult back when you are criticizing other users for their choice of tablet

HeartKiller said:
Thank you guys for your replies.
But I would of thought that real man users would of guess that after "30th December 2012 at 11:41 AM" the question is kind of closed
Anyway I completely agree and it is exactly what I meant - if something is rubbish to me it is doesn't mean that it is nor rubbish for everybody.
Have a fun with your Surface RT if you already got one.
As for me I rather would wait unitl Pro ver released, but still not sure yet if I can by that because may be I am sill not experienced enough.
May be before to by Pro I need to by 5 iPhones, 10 iPads and some Galaxy tabls so I can put that phones in to my signature to look like a real man.
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Mate the issue is your calling us housewives and inferring your an experienced professional user. Surface with windows rt has been announced for quite some time as an IT professional I've known full well it is an arm device which would require special apps so don't go calling me a housewife and making out your an experienced user, your simply not that smart.
I purchased my Surface RT due to the incredible battery life and the fact I can use this device to guide almost any user with windows 7/8 very easily. Full fledged remote desktop and office applications right out of the box is fantastic.
Perfect companion device for an IT professional. I'd say the housewives would be happy to stick with their ipads

The fact that I can use tablet style apps, run a full desktop environment, run a command line, and run remote desktops is exactly what I want out of a tablet. I don't need to run legacy apps when I have two other desktops and a laptop, all with remote desktop capability. For me, the pro version would be nice but the cost is too high. In addition to the cost of a pro surface, I would still need to buy a license for office.
I am a 22 year IT veteran and have used every version of Windows since version 2.11. I would hardly call myself a "housewife" user and I am very happy with my surface. I wouldn't mind running legacy apps but I certainly don't need to.

Can Cortana be installed on Surface Pro 2?

I couldn't find anything on the net, which discussed installing Cortana on a Surface Pro 2. Has anyone looked into this?

Its part of windows phone 8 only so no

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Its part of windows phone 8 only so no
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Thanks, but I'm already aware of that. My question was whether anyone was planning to make Cortana work on the Surface Pro 2.

incisivekeith said:
Thanks, but I'm already aware of that. My question was whether anyone was planning to make Cortana work on the Surface Pro 2.
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Well nobody can but microsoft.
Windows 8 does not run windows phone 8 applications and no doubt cortana is way more tightly integrated than being a simple app. Only microsoft have the source code. There is no way for us to make cortana work on windows 8 (and that would therefore include pro 2 considering that is just a windows 8 ultrabook thrown in a tablet shell)

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Well nobody can but microsoft.
Windows 8 does not run windows phone 8 applications and no doubt cortana is way more tightly integrated than being a simple app. Only microsoft have the source code. There is no way for us to make cortana work on windows 8 (and that would therefore include pro 2 considering that is just a windows 8 ultrabook thrown in a tablet shell)
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Does that mean that no dev on XDA is interested in hacking Cortana to make it work on surface tablets?

incisivekeith said:
Does that mean that no dev on XDA is interested in hacking Cortana to make it work on surface tablets?
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It is physically impossible for us to do so, it isn't a case of whether anyone is interested or not, we simply cannot do it.
And why the fixation with the surface? Any hack to get cortana would be a global windows 8 thing not surface specific (hell, you'd have to go out of your way to make it surface specific)