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Is cognition worth rooting?

Hey guys,
I am coming from a G1 which I got from craigslist that I did not think twice about rooting. Now, I bought my captivate brand new and am over all pleased. The thing that drives me crazy is I would flash my g1 constantly. I liked the tinkering aspect. My question is at this point, are the custom roms out for the captivate worth rooting?
Keep in mind, I really do not notice lag on my phone and the GPS works fine for what I use it for. I also use the sideload wonder machine to load non market apps.

If you like to tweak - Designgears and others are pushing ROM builds like crazy.
Personally I will probably never run the phone stock again.

avgjoegeek said:
If you like to tweak - Designgears and others are pushing ROM builds like crazy.
Personally I will probably never run the phone stock again.
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Right on, looks likes I am going to root my phone when i get home and see what I can load up. Thanks.

If you are happy with your phone and it does what you need it to do there is no reason to do anything. Look at what the custom ROMs have to offer and if there is anything you really think you would miss not having.
I'm personally running Con 2.2beta4 and have been running what dg has been putting out since SRE 1.2 or so, but I'm the kind of person who likes to tinker

z28james said:
Hey guys,
I am coming from a G1 which I got from craigslist that I did not think twice about rooting. Now, I bought my captivate brand new and am over all pleased. The thing that drives me crazy is I would flash my g1 constantly. I liked the tinkering aspect. My question is at this point, are the custom roms out for the captivate worth rooting?
Keep in mind, I really do not notice lag on my phone and the GPS works fine for what I use it for. I also use the sideload wonder machine to load non market apps.
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Well, that's up to you, if you're pleased with your current setup, there's no need to.
Keep in mind stock rom with no lag fix gave me 900 on quadrant..
i9000 jg8 eclair rom (not recommanded unless you have a good reason for that specific rom) with reoriented kernel gave me 2200, and now, with cognition beta 4 I get about 1900 with lag fix, but it feels fast enough for me
and there's awesome flash support.
Stock setup is not using half of the potential of this phone if you ask me,
but if you're happy with it there's no need to risk it, you can always
brick it by accident if you flash (even though I flashed it a lot and unbricked it too many times but seems like some people managed to brick it completely..)
Unlike most of you guys I don't have a warranty, I'm living outside the u.s so I can't just go to at&t store and I paid for this phone
more than 650$ in cash and I still take the risk and flash it, I admit, I'm addicted.

So, I went ahead and rooted my phone and I have loaded a few roms already. Now I remember why I like android phones so much, heh.

quadrant doesnt matter.
if you like customization i say root. if you are in the know, then you should definitely root and customize

orlandoxpolice said:
quadrant doesnt matter.
if you like customization i say root. if you are in the know, then you should definitely root and customize
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I ended up at the stock firmware rooted, OCLF (honestly, besides the benchmarks, the phone does seem to be less laggy), stock lock screen and minus all of the ATT bloatware.
I feel silly for not rooting my phone before because this is exactly how I wish the phone was from the get go.

z28james said:
I ended up at the stock firmware rooted, OCLF (honestly, besides the benchmarks, the phone does seem to be less laggy), stock lock screen and minus all of the ATT bloatware.
I feel silly for not rooting my phone before because this is exactly how I wish the phone was from the get go.
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yea im running cog 2.1.7 and it is blazing fast

hell yeah its worth rooting! im still debating to go to 2.2 or not, but im on cog 2.1.5 right now and its hella worth it

MR2 Coming Soon

MR2 will be coming via OTA in the next couple of days MR2 has been through four different revisions and will be based on the 1.70.xx code. There are a number of fixes but the most important should be fixing the reboots and improving the 4G/3G transitions.
I know everyone is waiting for GB which is MR3, but it still needs some time. The good news is that it is being worked on it is already on its fifth SW revision.

Awesome. I can wait for GB no problem, I just want a fix for the reboots. I'm sick of my phone rebooting 5+ times a day, happy an update is coming soon.
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OR... you could just scoot on over to the dev forum and pick yourself up a spiffy new rom built on MR2 which is quite solid and fast and will use the same or very similar radios to what will be in the OTA. I tried a couple of them. They are spartan on fancy stuff, but they are reliable if nothing else. Possibly the most functional and reliable roms over there.

Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt

animez said:
Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
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My thoughts exactly. Sure I would like to avoid the reboots (given I have had 2 in a 3 week period), and maybe a faster better radio, but the software and sense is so solid.

need bb said:
MR2 will be coming via OTA in the next couple of days MR2 has been through four different revisions and will be based on the 1.70.xx code. There are a number of fixes but the most important should be fixing the reboots and improving the 4G/3G transitions.
I know everyone is waiting for GB which is MR3, but it still needs some time. The good news is that it is being worked on it is already on its fifth SW revision.
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Where did you get this info?

dcjamies said:
Where did you get this info?
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Flawed info at that. But anyway
The OP history suggests that assumptions and rumors have been listened to and taken as gospel.

animez said:
Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
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Bingo.. agreed 100%
Coming from HTC devices like the 8525, ATT Tilt, and Touch Pro 2, Ive just about had my share of ROMs for a lifetime. I just want something that works. After paying all this money, Im gonna let Verizon and HTC do what they're supposed to do.

animez said:
Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
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I agree with wanting an official update, but the stock rom is far from good. Yes the speed is good but the battery life is horrible. With custom roms I have been able to triple my battery life and limit the random reboots I was getting stock, along with the already good speed being improved. Das BAMF Stripped 1.8

animez said:
Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
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agreed. So far only 1 reboot in 2 weeks (apparently that is good) and I get occasional instances where home button doesn't want to work.
I just wish the damn thing rebooted faster. It takes almost 2 minutes to boot, then another couple of minutes before sense is responsive.
Coming from the hd7 and 25 second boot times, this is killer...
I also made/used custom roms on my q9c, tp2 and hd2, but want to give stock a chance. Maybe I will root if I decide I need to tether, but so far, things are looking good stock.

Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock

crazyhtown said:
Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock
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alot of us are. thanks for your concern.

adrynalyne said:
Flawed info at that. But anyway
The OP history suggests that assumptions and rumors have been listened to and taken as gospel.
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But I read it on the internet, so that has to make it true.

mr2.5 is treating me well and ive had zero reboots. i can wait a bit for the new radio.

crazyhtown said:
Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock
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#1 how do you know it's been pushed back?
#2 i think most on here and happily enjoying gingerbread but thanks for the concern.

Some documents state we will be getting a removal of free mobile hotspot via ota July 6th . Maybe it will be attached to the update .
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Both the MR2 and the MR2.5 have been a good temporary fix for me, until a new radio is released.

Crazyhtown = Lol enjoy stock[/QUOTE said:
Not really called for man. Stock, Ropoted Stock Or GB, Does it really matter, lets just help each other instead of some acting like they are better because you are on something besides stock.
Stock runs very well and so do the roms the devs are busting their butts to put out, still doesn't mean we have to knock each other...
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"mr2" we leaked on the forums is NOT mr2. 1.66/1.67/1.68/1.69 will not be MR2.
I can confirm OP's comments on the current "mr2" candidate version number, and give a approximate release of july 6th. With verizon things are given to change, the release date can change, so can the version being released.

Jrocker23 said:
Not really called for man. Stock, Ropoted Stock Or GB, Does it really matter, lets just help each other instead of some acting like they are better because you are on something besides stock.
Stock runs very well and so do the roms the devs are busting their butts to put out, still doesn't mean we have to knock each other...
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His comment was pretty blunt/unhelpful and rude, but there does tend to be some complaining from those that want to have their cake (those that don't want to root) and eat it too (still want updates/workarounds as quick as those that have root).
Those that seem to be frustrated by such things, perhaps android is not the phone for them or at least android phones that are not officially blessed by google (nexus phones).

[Q] New Sidekick/Android user with Root/Roms questions ;-)

Hello everyone.
Recently ordered a Samsung Sidekick 4G and reading on the forums
I noticed people saying that this device lags a lot, has random FCs, etc. and
that they way of getting "rid" of this was by rooting and installing
custom roms. As you might have figured by my low post count, I'm
a newbie with regards to Android phones or Android in general. So
I have a couple of questions.
I know where to look if I want to take the chance and do this
by following this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1275116
(thank God and moderators for stickies!-- making life easier )
But I would like to know:
1) What are the advantages of having Sidekick custom roms (apart
from the usual root access and what not). Is the stock Rom that bad?
Does it have lots of bloat slowing the phone?
2) Has anyone tried the different Roms out there and can I have
an assessment of what they do/offer? (i.e. which one you think
is the best with regards to battery life, bundle of sw, etc for
a newb). Basically their strenghts and weaknesses as I wouldn't want
to lose something important such as network services (i.e. 3G, WiFi, etc.)
And yes, I know that I can try them for myself, but I haven't
even received the phone and I'm scared sh!+less of rooting
don't want to think about repeating the process of the link
above to keep trying different Roms... so I will rely on your
experiences.
3) Since I wont be receiving OTA updates with or without a custom
Rom (I don't have t-mobile, it's an unlocked phone...), do
custom Roms already have stuff from OTA updates??
4) If Android 2.3 update is released for the Sidekick, will it
be available as a "custom" rom? Is that how it works for people
that don't get OTA updates?
5) If I decide to stick with stock Rom, could I still "root"
the phone and play with overclocking and all that jazz?
Finally,
6) What's the meaning of life?!?!?
Hope you can help me with these questions if you can.
And if you don't want to help me... then ... I'll be sad...
for a couple of minutes! ;-)
BTW I also ordered an LG Optimus Quantum just to also try the Windows
OS and compare between both, Android and Windows experiences
(I come from Symbian... Nokia FTW!!! ;-))
Thanks!

to question 4 it will be incorporated to the customs roms no doubt
to question 2 i have used gingerclone v2, lighting rom v2 , touchmiuiwiz, and glorious i like glorious the most so far and dislike lighting v2 the most gingerclone and touchmiui is the same rom different themes
to question 5 you can still root it and overclock it
to question 1 you get d can get better battery life, less bloatware, better signal,
to question 3 on the ota we used kg2 which was an ota as a mix with kd1

that was harsh xtreme .

saying i disliked the rom the most when basically i used 3 roms? thats not being harsh

IMO any rom developed by ayoteddy is worth checking out. Also always be sure to fully read each rom thread's first post; everything you need to know should be there.
And personally I wouldn't flash any rom or attempt to root until you're comfortable using adb commands (I've soft bricked a couple of phones myself and that's no fun at all).
There's a bunch of good youtube tutorials outlining everything from rooting to flashing custom roms. Good luck with everything and welcome to the sk4g family!
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It was not harsh. lol. it's his opinion.

I have used gcv2 and glorius i loved the first but the later is def. Better, u can root without a custom rom. And dont fret about flashing a rom, this is my first phone that iv flashed, rooted etc. And yes after a week or so the stock launcher started lagging. Although i only got fc's on zeam
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Thanks for the responses so far!
And I'll definitely stick with the stock settings but if I begin to experience bugs or lags, I'll definitely look into this! Now I have to check why the heck I'm only getting EDGE!! WTF?!! lol
Thanks.

go to wireless ettings and swtich from gsm to gs/wcda mode

I FAILED!!! :-(
I think I'm going to have to resell this phone on eBay...
I just noticed WHY it wont connect in 3G... T-Mobile phones seem to be "configured" to use the 1700 band but my service provider does 3G like AT&T and I think they use 1900...
Oh well... back to my second option... the Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini Pro...
Thanks guys!

gelocks said:
But I would like to know:
1) What are the advantages of having Sidekick custom roms (apart
from the usual root access and what not). Is the stock Rom that bad?
Does it have lots of bloat slowing the phone?
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with a custom ROM battery usage decreases in some cases and it also allows for more customization of your phone. Like in some ROMs you can change your transition effects, dock settings, and menu settings. It allows you to pick how you want your phone to look. For most people that got the OTA update their phone got really bad with freezes and force closes, you'd have to reboot your phone every day. In the end if you don't like a ROM you can always switch back.
2) Has anyone tried the different Roms out there and can I have
an assessment of what they do/offer? (i.e. which one you think
is the best with regards to battery life, bundle of sw, etc for
a newb). Basically their strenghts and weaknesses as I wouldn't want
to lose something important such as network services (i.e. 3G, WiFi, etc.)
And yes, I know that I can try them for myself, but I haven't
even received the phone and I'm scared sh!+less of rooting
don't want to think about repeating the process of the link
above to keep trying different Roms... so I will rely on your
experiences.
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I've tried a few and at the moment i'm using glorious overdose by ayoteddy and sduvick. This ROM is very smooth and very nice but doesn't allow for as much customization as touchMUI or GingerClone. TouchMui allows you to customize the behaviors of your phone like menu, transitions, etc. through launcherpro which comes with the ROM, BUT it wants you to buy launcherPro when you try to do certain functions. Now i'm a newby too, barely rooted and flashed my phone a few weeks ago, as well as somebody that works with me. I've also experienced alot less forceclose issues with glorious overdose.
3) Since I wont be receiving OTA updates with or without a custom
Rom (I don't have t-mobile, it's an unlocked phone...), do
custom Roms already have stuff from OTA updates??
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There aren't really that many OTA updates but from what i've seen the devs here get stuff before it's actually released, such as KJ2, which we havent officially recieved yet. The one OTA update that happened actually made the phone run like crap, excuse my language.
4) If Android 2.3 update is released for the Sidekick, will it
be available as a "custom" rom? Is that how it works for people
that don't get OTA updates?
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Somebody will probably post a version of it on the forums and devs will most likely use it as soon as they get their hands on it, IF there's still deving going on for this phone at that time.
5) If I decide to stick with stock Rom, could I still "root"
the phone and play with overclocking and all that jazz?
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yes you can, I did that before i actually flashed my phone. root is a different thing than flashing a custom ROM to your phone.
Finally,
6) What's the meaning of life?!?!?
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according to wikipedia, The meaning of life constitutes a philosophical question concerning the purpose and significance of life or existence in general.

6 the purpose of life is to find the answer to that question yourself...

To unlock or not to unlock... that is the question.

since there is pretty much only 1 stable rom on here, was is it worth unlocking to use it? would you suggest unlocking to use it?
lets here it.... i see the log for zeus but im just not sure if its worth it yet.

vegandroid said:
since there is pretty much only 1 stable rom on here, was is it worth unlocking to use it? would you suggest unlocking to use it?
lets here it.... i see the log for zeus but im just not sure if its worth it yet.
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Personally, I'm waiting on Jelly Bean before i unlock. Not worried about warranty since i have best buy protection plan.

I too will wait for JB before i unlock.

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I too will wait for JB before i unlock.
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+1 when I get mine

sounds like what ive been doing. i think im going to wait before i unlock as well.

why not unlock now? only take few seconds, then try out Zeus' Rom and use it as a reference (best rom). Later when you got the JB, you can compare to this rom to see if JB indeed faster or better? we maybe surprising.

buhohitr said:
why not unlock now? only take few seconds, then try out Zeus' Rom and use it as a reference (best rom). Later when you got the JB, you can compare to this rom to see if JB indeed faster or better? we maybe surprising.
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+1 to this. I too thought about waiting for the JB Rom to unlock then thought the following:
1. While the OTA for JB will only work if you have not unlocked, I have never had a device (phone or tablet) where the latest update wasn't made available by the dev community pretty darn fast for people that had done things that turned off OTA. And by fast I mean usually before the OTA was even available for devices in my area.
2. Moving now to Zeus gives me more benchmarks by which to measure the JB ROM, which also is not a bad thing
3. I know I am going to unlock anyway, so why pretend I am not, or set myself artificial barriers

I had a Samsung gs2 and now a gs3. I always put on them custom roms without bricks and I'd buy a tablet that can give me the same freedom in changing roms, kernels and recovery without bricking. But here in this forum I read some threads about bricks and dead tablets so I'm thinking about buying this tablet or a Samsung tab, also If no one of them have fullhd display
I'm too scared about putting custom roms because I don't want a €500 heavy paper..

mouse100 said:
I had a Samsung gs2 and now a gs3. I always put on them custom roms without bricks and I'd buy a tablet that can give me the same freedom in changing roms, kernels and recovery without bricking. But here in this forum I read some threads about bricks and dead tablets so I'm thinking about buying this tablet or a Samsung tab, also If no one of them have fullhd display
I'm too scared about putting custom roms because I don't want a €500 heavy paper..
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Yes, I agree with you, but fear not with Zeus rom. It's very close to STOCK with performance tweak/battery life saver, he tried to keep it as close as stock as possible that's why it's bug free and very stable. His I/O on this rom is sick = 20, while I don't think Jelly Bean can beat this. If you talk about performance, the only advantage of JB over Zeus rom is 60fps and probably smoother overall GUi experience. I'm waiting for Zeus for the JB then if Zeus rom stills better then I will unlock the bootloader. Currently I only root, but my tab is running pretty fine, thanks to browser2ram, force 2D render and I/O scheduler SetCPU.

Don't forget about the stock deodexed + tweaks rom.
I'm running that one over zeus as it just seems more stable and smooth.
I unlocked within a week.

**** it... zeus, here i come!

[Q] Q> Improving performance

Hello all,
I'm new here. I just got a 3113 as a gift last week and have spent most of yesterday wading knee deep in ROM info, tutorials, discussions and what not. I am happy with the device, but I have observed that it is considerably laggy and does not respond smoothly. I am not sure whether or not this started as soon as I updated to 4.2.
My question is, is there any custom ROM or tweak that you guys could suggest that would make this tab perform better? It's not painfully slow, but any performance improvement would be great. My current phones are on WP8 and it would be great if I could get the same sort of UI responsiveness out of this 3113. (And no, I am not starting a war between the two OSs. I just honestly want to enjoy this tablet to the fullest).
Your input would be very much appreciated.

Welcome, and congrats with your toy! Enjoy it, it's a nice little tablet!
ManilaBeans said:
I have observed that it is considerably laggy and does not respond smoothly. I am not sure whether or not this started as soon as I updated to 4.2.
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I can't be 100% sure, but I am pretty certain it's related. On this tablet, stock 4.2.2 is noticeably worse than 4.1.2, and overall is not a good upgrade. If you read around, you'll find people complaining about it, and also about tweaked ROMs based on it, too.
My question is, is there any custom ROM or tweak that you guys could suggest that would make this tab perform better? It's not painfully slow, but any performance improvement would be great.
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I can't suggest anything out of CM/AOSP/AOKP camp, as I am not very familiar with those ROMs, but two of my personal stock recommendations would be the custom stock powered by NEXT by @ketut.kumajaya and microDelta by @Tsjoklat. MicroDelta also exists in 4.2.2 version, but I still prefer the older one. I know I am going into the forbidden "best ROM" territory, but in my opinion those two are the best stock-based ROMs out there. Oh, and whichever ROM you choose, the NEXT kernel is most highly recommended -- it's the best kernel for this tablet, hands down (again, just my personal opinion)!
Also, PhilZ Advanced Touch CWM (repackaged for P311x and the dual-boot by @ketut.kumajaya) is the ultimate recovery for this device.
As for tweaks (on any ROM), learn about Xposed framework, and explore modules available for it -- you won't be disappointed.

Awesome! This gives me at least a good starting point. One of my problems has been choosing a good first ROM to try.

ManilaBeans said:
Awesome! This gives me at least a good starting point. One of my problems has been choosing a good first ROM to try.
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If you are still looking for ROMs I would like to suggest CM11 KitKat by @CODY86. Very smooth, and it give te option of extended desktop.
Slimbean 2.2 is also real nice.
I think by getting away from the stock ROMs you ditch some of the bloatware.
Rooting and installing custom ROM was easier than the instructions said.