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[Q] Android App Emulator

I'm much like several of the people who bought TouchPads in the recent firesale. I absolutely love WebOs and the device in general but the thing that's bothering me is that the app selection is absolutely horrible! I know that there is an Android App Emulator on the PlayBook, is it possible for something like that to show up on the TouchPad? I love WebOS and I don't really want to give it up for only Android. I'm sure tons of people would really like something like this on their new Touchpads. Thanks!

Sounds like a great idea hmm...

I agree. I think that porting Dalvik to WebOS might be the best move to give us the Android apps and still let us easily use Linux, including ubuntu apps.

Well the problem would be the license..

lol...good point

license issues?
I thought it was opensource/freeware? How else could Cyanogen, etc., do what they do?

is it possible to port alien dalvik to the TouchPad? We should get some developers on this.

FAILHARD said:
is it possible to port alien dalvik to the TouchPad? We should get some developers on this.
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You took the words right out of my mouth!!
I'm actually trying to find developers for the exact same thing. It should be doable. Alien Dalvik was made in Qt which was ported to WebOS so in theory it's entirley doable. the only question is if there are any developers free to take it on that aren't currently working on a full Android OS port.
I'd really like to get a development team set up for this because alot of people would like to keep WebOS and just have a larger app catalog.

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. We should look for a dev who could possibly have experience it Qt, though that's not completely necessary. If we gain more support, I'll post a dev thread.

I can't offer anything other than Beer/Pizza money but this is a great idea. WebOS is generally well reviewed and not looked at as a problem so much as a benefit. The OS is solid. The App Catalog is not.

Android Emulator :-D
I would love see a emulator on my TP. I would like to be able to place Android on the device I still much prefer the UI and design on WebOS even though Android is far more capable.
I'm happy to donate to this cause should someone take it up

alien dalvik is not open source, however, dalvik in general as well as the whole android os is under the apache license, this can be modified, forked and reworked (such as myriad turbo/alien dalvik) without having to release the source, its obviously possible... But you know what would be easier, porting android as a whole... Even dual booting would be easier.

Well the allure of this is having the superior Android app selection on the arguably better tablet experience of WebOS. If that were made possible - I wouldn't care about having Android on the device.

I couldn't agree more. As an OG Pre owner I love webOS but couldn't fight everything I can do with Android.
If I could get all my Android apps and keep my TP the way it is would be perfect.
The problem with porting Android right now is we have to use 2.3 which is for phones and not 3.2. I would rather either wait for ICS/4.0 for a port or just get the app market working.
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That settles it there are enoght people interested in having a standalone WebOs android app emulator without having full android.. I'm starting a development thread, doing some preliminary work, and going to look for a few interested developers to work with on getting this going. My touchpad comes tomorrow so then i can really get into it..

Thanks Roto I was just about to do the same.

also, Roto post a link

Up. Beer on me

Here is the link to the development thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16904876#post16904876
Failhard since you and I were the first to put in work on this idea i'd like you to help me head the project and find volunteer talent if you're up to it.
I took a look into what goes into a Dalvik port... it's TOTALLY doable just a matter of time and effort..
Unfortunately after i return to college in a week time will be in short supply for me so ALL help is appreciated!

I had never used WebOS before getting a tablet this last weekend. I have been an android fan for smartphones for now (I am willing to move to something better when it is available, otherwise stick to what works). I am a web designer/user interface designer and since starting using WebOS this last weekend, when it comes to the OS and its default apps that come with it, it is clear WebOS has the best user interface of the tablets (I used both iOS and Android OSes 1.5-3.2, Windows 7 tablets don't really count as a tablet OS and that is clear when using it on tablets).
The Android Emulator would be a great idea, but if you want quick development specifically for WebOS, we need to get a program created that can easily and painlessly port android apps to WebOS apps. Also it will take HP courting and reassuring the big players like Netflix, Hulu, Corporate IT Software Development companies that WebOS is viable and have continued support.
HP/WebOS only has a short amount of time to really establish itself. Next summer is rumored to be Windows 8 release and Windows 8 tablets coming. If Windows 8 can create a good tablet interface (WebOS is the one to beat imo atm as it has the number 1 interface), plus it's strong backing of games, program/application support and being able to integrate phone, xbox, tablet, and PC (Desktops and Laptops). Windows 8 is the biggest threat to anyone in the tablet market at the moment imo and they have been very successful in many of their endeavors as of late ("don't poke the sleeping giant" comes to mind, google and Apple have done that).
Due this short Window of time (pun partially intended), we have to establish WebOS as a main competitor to Google and Apple and prepare it for the onslaught of Windows 8. We need to work as a community to get things rolling and we need to push HP to court the big players in the industry to produce apps and content for WebOS and to continue further development on the operating system on their end. If we as a community and HP execute right, it will be a very exciting year coming up.

DYI XDA Game Console

Introduction
Ouya is making news all over the web yesterday and today, so this gave me the idea to start an open source Do It Yourself Game Console!
Proposal
What I would like to do is find a few talented people on xda and we'll all build an XDA Console for everybody. That means that these developers either build or find oem hardware parts, build the software and intergrade android games into the console.
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How does that sound to you, xda's? If you are interested, please show your support on the bottom and tell your friends.

Interesting idea, but probably unnecessary. With the Nexus Q and Ouya being announced, I'd say we will start to see a tide of cheap Android based boxes for connectivity to TVs. Get some developer support behind some of them, and release some sort of universal gaming platform for them, designed for TV use. Probably a lot easier and cheaper than developing a new device.

SifJar said:
Interesting idea, but probably unnecessary. With the Nexus Q and Ouya being announced, I'd say we will start to see a tide of cheap Android based boxes for connectivity to TVs. Get some developer support behind some of them, and release some sort of universal gaming platform for them, designed for TV use. Probably a lot easier and cheaper than developing a new device.
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Perhaps building a new hardware platform entirely might be hard, perhaps working on the software dashboard might be a reasonable place to start.

Condition of Blackberry

hey guys.....this thread is actually about a general discussion.
First tell me for what Blackberry is known for? Its OSBBM right??
But Now BBM is coming for Android and iOS...!!!
Now what will blackberry do to still keep itself in competition?
Any comments?? :cyclops:

Hrishikesh Somchatwar said:
hey guys.....this thread is actually about a general discussion.
First tell me for what Blackberry is known for? Its OSBBM right??
But Now BBM is coming for Android and iOS...!!!
Now what will blackberry do to still keep itself in competition?
Any comments?? :cyclops:
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Here's a question... would you purchase a blackberry just to use BBM?
If you did, how many of your friends currently have a blackberry so that BBM actually becomes useful to you.
Yes the service is highly touted but I believe that RIM has realised that they cannot truly expect to hold on to their user base simply by keeping BBM exclusive. A cross platform chat solution is currently lacking, hence the popularity of whatsapp and other apps like it.
If anything I would say they should have done this sooner, however, maybe they were waiting until the released their new OS, with the belief that it does, now, stand a fighting chance when giving people the option of acquiring BBM one iOS, Android or sticking with RIM

Really?
Anu6is said:
Here's a question... would you purchase a blackberry just to use BBM?
If you did, how many of your friends currently have a blackberry so that BBM actually becomes useful to you.
Yes the service is highly touted but I believe that RIM has realised that they cannot truly expect to hold on to their user base simply by keeping BBM exclusive. A cross platform chat solution is currently lacking, hence the popularity of whatsapp and other apps like it.
If anything I would say they should have done this sooner, however, maybe they were waiting until the released their new OS, with the belief that it does, now, stand a fighting chance when giving people the option of acquiring BBM one iOS, Android or sticking with RIM
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And what about whats app usere ehh?

We may be overlooking the fact that BBM was popular *during* the Blackberry era, when RIM was the reigning king of "smartphones". Fast forward several iPhone and Android releases, I am not so sure RIM's heralded messaging app has the same appeal as it once did. Plus, many people have found a home with other apps like Facebook Messenger, Whats App, etc already.
Side note:
Their latest device the Z10 actually looks great and felt pretty snappy when I played with a demo. Like Microsoft, I think they have an opportunity to carve out a niche following.

Yeah!
runningman04072013 said:
We may be overlooking the fact that BBM was popular *during* the Blackberry era, when RIM was the reigning king of "smartphones". Fast forward several iPhone and Android releases, I am not so sure RIM's heralded messaging app has the same appeal as it once did. Plus, many people have found a home with other apps like Facebook Messenger, Whats App, etc already.
Side note:
Their latest device the Z10 actually looks great and felt pretty snappy when I played with a demo. Like Microsoft, I think they have an opportunity to carve out a niche following.
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Well to tell you the truth, users change their favorites every time..!! Remember some years before how people showed their back to orkut? :victory:
And chanced their favorite social networking site to facebook..!!
So it depends on the particular content on what capable it is........if it does make a great impact (BBM) in the android family then people will definitely "MIGRATE" to the BBM.

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They're trying to tap into the fitness-fad that Apple is pushing into, that Samsung is spearheading. Because they think that's where the money is to be made which is why they're pushing for Android Wear to stay competitive. I think it's a waste of time. On the other hand, the new tools provided for their cloud services and online debugging sounds neat! I hope Google will continue to push software performance before features such that we can work toward improving battery life above all else.

alpha-niner64 said:
They're trying to tap into the fitness-fad that Apple is pushing into, that Samsung is spearheading. Because they think that's where the money is to be made which is why they're pushing for Android Wear to stay competitive. I think it's a waste of time. On the other hand, the new tools provided for their cloud services and online debugging sounds neat! I hope Google will continue to push software performance before features such that we can work toward improving battery life above all else.
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I kinda felt the same. However, their Material Design concept I like and I hope they continue to push that directive.

The idea of being able to design in layers to unify the visual experience across platforms sounds nice. I hope they put out the proper SDKs soon so we can test this out.
EDIT: According to PhoneArena: the beta SDKs will come out tomorrow. Nice!

My reaction was pretty meh
Didn't really think they lived upto the expectation. 90% was all vapourware. Auto, TV are niche segments. Some fitness related API's which again looks vapourware like that [email protected] thingy..
I don't see any massive changes in Android atleast in UI or features. Yea, some 64-bit and ART and stuffs. Didn't find the material UI any good either. It was ok, but nothing groundbreaking as of now.
Let's see how it works when things are polished. As of now, I don't feel any great excitement.

Google I/O is more developer oriented not much consumer information development stuff is pretty cool, though just not as "exciting" as a shiny new nexus or android silver announcement.
Also what is up with all the protestors... so annoying. Apparently google is making killer robots, I just hope I can ADB into them.

I cannot watch it due to being limited with my data right at the moment. Just wondering, has a new android version been released?
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Navitron said:
Apparently google is making killer robots, I just hope I can ADB into them.
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That would be so awesome hahaha
abumy said:
I cannot watch it due to being limited with my data right at the moment. Just wondering, has a new android version been released?
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All of what they spoke about pretty much concerned the new platform "L" which is released on the "cardboards" each person at I/O received (I believe it is the Nexus 9) which is running the new platform I believe.

IAmTheOneTheyCallNeo said:
That would be so awesome hahaha
All of what they spoke about pretty much concerned the new platform "L" which is released on the "cardboards" each person at I/O received (I believe it is the Nexus 9) which is running the new platform I believe.
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The cardboard was a vr headset.
http://www.androidauthority.com/google-cardboard-vr-headset-397800/
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Google I/O
I really liked the Material Design concept and Default ART.Also Google is partnering with Indian mobile players for $100 Google mobile devices

I prefer ios 8 for new functions on messege app
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Full version of Android 5.0 ported to Nexus Player

www cnx-software com/2014/12/24/full-version-of-android-5-0-ported-to-nexus-player/
Looking forward to trying this out. I'm pretty annoyed with Google for not simply releasing a normal version of 5.0 with full app support to begin with... what happened to do no evil?

Isn't LolliRock a full 5.0?

So because they released some hardware without full Android they're evil? Get some perspective.

I now see that it is a LolliRock review. Sorry, I jumped the gun. Just thought it is weird that the project is hosted on xda but you didn't link to the forum thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-player/orig-development/rom-t2982801

jrush4 said:
So because they released some hardware without full Android they're evil? Get some perspective.
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Yes I do consider releasing a hobbled version of Android on NP anti consumer.
There are countless apps we can't use unless we choose to take the device and run a custom version of the OS. For a company like Google whose positions on net neutrality, privacy align with pro-consumer ideals this is a step backward.
If Google wants to compete with Amazon Prime for example build a better ecosystem.
Locking users out of most of what is offered is just the opposite.
And for what? Its not like there will be enough revenue generated from NP justify the trouble in hobbling the OS both for Google or the third parties who have yet another platform to develop for. Mind a platform that because of these sorts of mistakes may very well never take off. It just creates more work for consumers, developers and that effort doesn't really benefit anyone.
To think Google has a TV device that can't surf the internet with Chrome out of the box.... Pathetic.