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http://androidcommunity.com/google-blocking-android-2-x-to-3-0-updates-for-tablets-20110328/
Just read the above article, wanted to see what other people thought about it. It seems like kind of a kick-in-the-balls plan from google, but then again, I'm not really worried about the G-tab getting an official 3.0 release. Since were using most of the base hardware that 3.0 was designed around, I'm sure someone will get a port eventually, it would just be nice to get a bit more support from the big G.
Well there's always ice cream comb
Ok. Google taking the right steps to be a real threat for mac.
I thought we prefered android because of its differences from mac and not their similarities.
Et tu, Goggle?
And 10.000 Gtabs has been sold at a very big discount one day before this new is made public. Business is business
BR
well this news has a huge suck factor.
Keep in mind that this "news" is just an unsubstantiated rumor. Nothing to see here. Move along.
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Keep in mind that this "news" is just an unsubstantiated rumor. Nothing to see here. Move along.
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Hope it stays unsubstantiated. Otherwise, ginormous suck factor.
As much as I love the honeycomb UI, there is really nothing wrong with 2.2 and 2.3. In fact, to make myself feel better, I just think of honeycomb as android with additional bloatware...which I'm sure is true to a point.
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As much as I love the honeycomb UI, there is really nothing wrong with 2.2 and 2.3. In fact, to make myself feel better, I just think of honeycomb as android with additional bloatware...which I'm sure is true to a point.
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I don't care for the UI too but I do care about the Honeycomb optimized apps. This is really the only reason why I wanted Honeycomb.
This is not surprising.
On ZDNET (slash) blog (slash) google (slash) google-android-30-honeycomb-open-source-no-more (slash) 2845
They had to take a lot of shortcuts and strip things down for XOOM to meet the deadline. Just wait for 3.1 when they Open Source it again.
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I don't care for the UI too but I do care about the Honeycomb optimized apps. This is really the only reason why I wanted Honeycomb.
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Same here -- it's a waste to not use that increased resolution and screen size on tablet-optimized apps.
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http://androidcommunity.com/google-blocking-android-2-x-to-3-0-updates-for-tablets-20110328/
Just read the above article, wanted to see what other people thought about it. It seems like kind of a kick-in-the-balls plan from google, but then again, I'm not really worried about the G-tab getting an official 3.0 release. Since were using most of the base hardware that 3.0 was designed around, I'm sure someone will get a port eventually, it would just be nice to get a bit more support from the big G.
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They are delaying because the source code isn't ready it will remain open source and available to all devices. Google made that statement 3 days ago. Would post the article but I am on gtab. Either it was on market watch, wall street journal, new York times, eweek, infoworld of another site I frequent.
It is however old news.
I put a post in the one of the threads about the release delay on honeycomb. Google partnered up with LG for doing a Nexus Tablet (supposed to out ~July) and Google will not release honeycomb source till after the release of the Nexus Tab, (~Aug)
Also it mentioned that something about the licensing agreement needed for using 3.x that it cannot be put on a device running 2.x.
lol, like many ppl here are actually waiting for an "official" version.
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I put a post in the one of the threads about the release delay on honeycomb. Google partnered up with LG for doing a Nexus Tablet (supposed to out ~July) and Google will not release honeycomb source till after the release of the Nexus Tab, (~Aug)
Also it mentioned that something about the licensing agreement needed for using 3.x that it cannot be put on a device running 2.x.
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And would you mind sharing the source of these stated facts, or are you merely speculating?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12457747&postcount=8
Here's the link to my response in the other honeycomb thread.
Here's the link to the actual article
http://thenextweb.com/google/2011/0...-partners-with-lg-to-launch-new-nexus-tablet/
Also anyone should know that until there is an official announcement anything being discussed is speculation, so get off your high horse.
I read that as Google not allowing manufacturers to upgrade 2.x tablets, not they the would not release it to the community until after the Nexus tablet launch.
Also included in Murtazin’s report was the suggestion that Google will not allow tablets running Android 2.x to receive a Honeycomb upgrade in the future. Apparently, if a hardware partner releases a tablet on an older version of Android, the Honeycomb licensing agreement will not allow them to be updated.
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this seems to be the Google official position about HC:
Google has decided to delay the release of the Honeycomb source-code to the general public for now. If you are a member of the Open Handset Alliance you can get access to 3.0. Also, other manufacturers are able to get access to the source-code upon request, but only for use on tablets. Ultimately, Google wants to avoid contaminating Android's marketing image because some low-end device makers forced out buggy "Honeycomb phones". Here's what Andy Rubin, CEO of Google had to say on the matter,
Android 3.0, Honeycomb, was designed from the ground up for devices with larger screen sizes and improves on Android favorites such as widgets, multi-tasking, browsing, notifications and customization…We didn’t want to think about what it would take for the same software to run on phones. It would have required a lot of additional resources and extended our schedule beyond what we thought was reasonable. So we took a shortcut. While we’re excited to offer these new features to Android tablets, we have more work to do before we can deliver them to other device types including phones… Until then, we’ve decided not to release Honeycomb to open source.
Before anyone could cry foul and compare Google to Apple, Mr. Rubin added,
"[Google is] committed to providing Android as an open platform across many device types and will publish the source as soon as it’s ready."
It is probably a bit nerve racking for developers and enthusiasts that Google has taken this step. It's easy to jump to the conclusion that they intend to begin "locking down" the product, but one could also look at it from the standpoint that Google is serious about protecting 'Andy' from being "dumbed-down" too much. Also, this fine-tuning process will help them nail-down extra security measures to help reduce malware issues in the future. What do you guys think? Is this a signal of sad times for Android, or just smart business strategy?
Source: AndroidTablets.net via AndroidPolice
Its simple really- for any android tablet to compete with the ipad it needs to be semi bulletproof as far as stability goes and quality of UI etc. This is the only way google is going to be able achieve this. They will release it. When they choose is going to be carefully timed.
i have read some post from Nvidia.. im just kinda confuse..
http://www.androidcentral.com/nvidia-stop-supporting-harmony-platform-past-froyo
do they really trashing our tablet ? no more drivers for future updates?
that's an old article and speculation has been around since it's original release. From updated stories, Nvidea claims that it WILL provide support IF the manufacturers request it. It's confusing becuase Nvidea says it wants Honeycomb from Google, Viewsonic wants drivers from Nvidea. Google won't approve use of their market or code for Viewsonic, and of course, WE want it all.
So, as it stands right now:
Google will only release Honeycomb to their approved vendors
Nvidea wants Honeycomb, and will support Harmony boards IF manufactureres request it
Viewsonic will update what they currently have, but can't advance their Harmony based products without Nvidea's cooperation.
WE are sitting with Froyo systems with no hardware acceleration becuase either Nvidea isn't providing it, or Viewsonic is not requesting it (or it cant be done) and getting Honeycomb is a pipe dream, since that all depends on Google.
I think I summed it up nicely, but there are a plethora of posts dealing with this exact topic.
That's why my next device is gonna be an apple ipad. They support their devices after more than 3 years. I will never buy anything with the damn android logo or OS on it. Screw you Google, screw you all android companies, you deserve it. I can't believe that I bought 2 new gtablets to become obsolete and without future in the moment I opened the box. If that's the "experience" that google want from android users, so well I got the "experience", now you can make a roll with android and stuck where you know, Google and Android
By the way I know this is old news, but each company is throwing the ball to others and I see they don't give a damn about users.
It's not Google's fault.
It is Google fault for not given permission to companies for using the sources needed, and the companies for no giving support to android. It is Google fault for the mess a Google Market, being not accessible to a most devices, and for the mess with all android versions.
So go and kiss Google if you a fan of them, but don't take out the blame from them because they are guilty as the companies. For me is the end of all Google related products , I'm sick of them. They become the Microsoft of the 2000's.
Bye bye Google and Android.
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It is Google fault for not given permission to companies for using the sources needed, and the companies for no giving support to android. It is Google fault for the mess a Google Market, being not accessible to a most devices, and for the mess with all android versions.
So go and kiss Google if you a fan of them, but don't take out the blame from them because they are guilty as the companies. For me is the end of all Google related products , I'm sick of them. They become the Microsoft of the 2000's.
Bye bye Google and Android.
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Well, only "Google experience" devices get full Market access... anyone can build an Android device... anyone can use Android... but they have to partner with Google to get Market access and early access to Android... Viewsonic does not have this partnership... (No, I'm not a die hard fan of Google, but I do love Android).
It's basically up to the manufactures to ask for Google support (and pay for it)...
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It is Google fault for not given permission to companies for using the sources needed, and the companies for no giving support to android. It is Google fault for the mess a Google Market, being not accessible to a most devices, and for the mess with all android versions.
So go and kiss Google if you a fan of them, but don't take out the blame from them because they are guilty as the companies. For me is the end of all Google related products , I'm sick of them. They become the Microsoft of the 2000's.
Bye bye Google and Android.
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Not really.
Google sets certain standards that have to be met (primarily hardware features) on a device for that device to have "google support" which it basically Market, Gmail, Gtalk, etc....all the Google provided apps.
As mentioned....anyone can build a device and run Android on it.....download the source code from AOSP and go to town. However...AOSP doesn't have or support the Google proprietary apps (Market, Gmail, etc..).
So, it's not Google's fault, it's the device manufacturers fault for being cheap and not adding the required hardware components to the devices to gain Google support.
This is also another reason why Honeycomb (OS 3.0) hasn't been released to open source yet.....hardware requirements are changing (3G not required, etc...) but they are still wanting a cohesive tablet design.
All these cheap android tablets are built to be cheap....because most people only want to pay xx amount. This gets you a "non supported" device....but if you are on this board.....you know that going in on the purchase. It's the community of developers that increase the overall function and use of these cheap "non supported" tablets.
If you wanted a "Google supported" device, buy one. Xoom, Acer Iconia, ASUS Transformer, etc.... Not a Viewsonic Gtabet, 10s, Nook Color, Coby whatever, Folio 100, etc...etc...etc...
Apple makes the iPad and the iOS running on it.....of course they support it.
Viewsonic makes neither the device or the OS.
thank you tcrews. well said
with all of this being said, I bought a G-tab knowing that it wouldn't be an exceptional piece of hardware out of the box. I knew that it took tweeking. I love my Vegan 5.1.1 system, and enjoy using it every day for games, surfing, news, adding sheet music to it, downloading PDFs for upcoming meetings. It's much more convenient than taking a binder full of music, or a stack of papers into a meeting. My son can watch movies on it, or play games, and the battery lasts longer than my Acer netbook.
Is it the best thing on the market, HELL no...but it's also not the most expensive, either.
AAs far as Google partnerships, I suspect that it's their pressure that intimidates companies. After all, as was mentioned, if you want full Google support, you need to buy a partnered piece of hardware. They typically cost more, simply due to the partnership. SO, in the case of viewsonic specifically, the great devs here have devised a way to bypass the partnership (limited bypass, but still a bypass) So, what's Viewsonic's motivation to acquiring said partnership? If Nvidea is trying to get one, perhaps it was Google that stipulated that Honeycomb will not be available on their Harmony platform.
We all know that if the devs here have hardware drivers for Harmony, and eventually code for Honeycomb, EVERY g-tab owner will have both, without requiring Viewsonic to get a partnership with Google.
So, fault lies in a few places (although definitely not warrented or deserved)
1st, to viewsonic for making such a hackable device. We ALL love the fact that we can put on it, basically, whatever we want. this thing is easier to "jailbreak" than an iPod touch.
2nd, to the devs on this site. They have done WONDERFUL work, for FREE to make our experience what it should be. Indirectly, though, the fact that they've made it "look" so easy, would certainly lead to companies doing whatever it takes to protect their assets.
Think of it this way...Since Google makes profit on the sales of their "approved" devices, why on Earth would they want to give the devs here a chance to make the G-Tablet be able to keep up with the devices that are yet to come? It would be Google that would need to explain to Asus, Motorola, HTC, etc. why people aren't buying their golden tablets, over the discount priced G-tab.
My only complaint in all of this is that Gingerbread is a potential reality on the G-tab. The Harmony board will obviously support it and run it. I would be happy if Nvidea would continue development to make a "STOCK" G-tab perform the way that it's hardware was designed to perform. After that, the devs here could tweak it to make it perform better than anticipated. Once Nvidea updates their drivers to utilize all of the hardware acceleration that the Harmony board is capable of, then I would be fine if their abandoned it.
Hell, in all of this discussion, I find that of the 3 computers I own, 2 are running XP, one is running Vista. I'm obviously not a person that is into the "MUST HAVE THE NEWEST" mentality. I'm sure my Acer would nearly explode if I tried running Windows 7 on it, but I'm not upset...XP works fantastically on it. Same with the G-tab. Honeycomb may run, it may be glitchy, it may have bugs, it may make my G-tab explode...regardless, I'm happy with what I have, but would like the hardware acceleration that I know it can handle.
Todd
Thanks tcrews for the explanation, but I think that companies must put somewhere that the device they sell you doesn't have the blessing of google, or they can't access the market and that you will end with an unsupported and obsolete device after you bough it. for a mere 150 dollars more I can have a device that I know for sure is gonna be supported for more than a year. The same happened with my 2 android phones. I bought them and didn't see any update or fix for all the mess with the Android OS, and the same happens with a lot of devices or phones. The companies just put them on the market knowing that they will not be supported in the future. When it was a cheap phone, that was OK for me, but for a phone you pay more that 400 bucks it's an insult.
Simply put Android right now is a big mess, and will stay in the future far from it, until they fix the mess and companies start giving support to what they sell.
I share your view kekinash.
I don't care who's fault it is, the point is Android is a mess unless you want to get into development, hacking, etc. (All of which I can do to an extent).
I have an android phone made by Samsung, I've got the G-tablet, and I used to have a Motorola android phone. Each device has had a number of unexplained issues, of which no one tends to take responsibility for or any level of accountability. The fingerpointing I observed with my current Samsung phone is nothing short of comical. It's AT&T's issue, oh no, it's Samsung that does the software, oh no, you have to call Google "Android support". Nonsense.
My wife has had to iphones, and as much as I despise Apple, any issues (and they were minimal) were resolved quickly. And, you don't have the issue of the same app not working on the same version of the OS. Yes, Apple will discontinue support for older devices just like anyone else, but I've never fought with the iphone as much as I have to do circus acts with these Android-based devices.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect everyone's opinion. I love the Android "concept", but the execution, for me, is far from worth my time.
That's why, whether good or bad, an ipad costs what it does.
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That's why my next device is gonna be an apple ipad. They support their devices after more than 3 years. I will never buy anything with the damn android logo or OS on it. Screw you Google, screw you all android companies, you deserve it. I can't believe that I bought 2 new gtablets to become obsolete and without future in the moment I opened the box. If that's the "experience" that google want from android users, so well I got the "experience", now you can make a roll with android and stuck where you know, Google and Android
By the way I know this is old news, but each company is throwing the ball to others and I see they don't give a damn about users.
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Why must we be bothered with cr-apple plugs on a Android forum? Just go over to cr-apple you don't have to announce it. These type of posts leads us to believe you are just a fanboy trolling.
Yeah, typical answer from a fanboy. I not married to either company, I just pointing the differences between both OS, on one (IOs) you get support, on the other (Android) you're at your own.
It's my right to criticize the things I see wrong, you may like it or not, agree or not, but you can't take this right from me, at least here at the States. And saying what another company is doing right is not to be a fanboy.
And by the way, if the developers here and in another places weren't doing a great job with Android, the OS will be a Sh*t, specially with the g tablet, so a big thanks goes to them. I using a non stock rom and this is the only thing that avoided to send back the 2 tables I have.
This thread is not being productive at all. Closed.
Hi.
I have seen these apps from Björk but they don't seem to be for android. They are only for iPhone.
BUT I've read that the app could be ported from iOS to another operating systems because it was made to allow this. And Björk encouraged hackers to do that! That was said from Björk herself in an interview!
She told Drowned in Sound that the apps had been specifically designed so that they could be easily ported to other platforms -- like Symbian, BlackBerry and Android. "We really made sure when we wrote all the programs that they will transfer to other systems."
"I'm not supposed to say this, probably, but I'm trusting that the pirates out there won't tie their hands behind their back."
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http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive...shttp://www.compositiontoday.com/blog/115.asp
I personally think that the art, sounds, videos, etc, could be extracted, but what ist with the software itself? How could it be ported if the source code is not available....
What do you think?
Can someone clarify if it would be possible?
Thanks!
Some videos of these apps. You can interact with the music and make your own versions playing or changing things in a very innovative concept.
http://youtu.be/FsxsGrnCGIk
http://youtu.be/kb3kLXVs9J0
http://youtu.be/0Rx-P2UsD5g
Still waiting!
Did anything ever come of this?
Hey anybody! Do sth about it! She preety much asked to do this, so lets do sth. I guess many people would want this app for android, and here? No reply? Please!
Nobody is interested...
I think this app is cracks for iphone, but it wasn't ported to android... It would be much more interesting.
Yeah, It would be interesting for milions of people who have android phones, and not Iphones. Android is bigger market than iphone so i just don't have a clue why nobody wants to port biophilia app on android.
[email protected] said:
Yeah, It would be interesting for milions of people who have android phones, and not Iphones. Android is bigger market than iphone so i just don't have a clue why nobody wants to port biophilia app on android.
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There no hackers who like this app, i would say.
humano said:
BUT I've read that the app could be ported from iOS to another operating systems because it was made to allow this. And Björk encouraged hackers to do that! That was said from Björk herself in an interview!
I personally think that the art, sounds, videos, etc, could be extracted, but what ist with the software itself? How could it be ported if the source code is not available....
What do you think?
Can someone clarify if it would be possible?
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I think it's generally not feasible.
Björk is a very interesting artist. I think her understanding of technology, and specifically software development, "hacking" and "pirating", is limited however.
Yes, the app may have been made potentially portable, but without source code that is more or less useless.
Porting an app between platforms is a much bigger task than "pirating". It's not a simple matter of pulling files from hidden directories, or even doing some limited reverse engineering and patching of an app to bypass license checks. It's MUCH more than the mere pirating of music and movie files.
I'm presuming the app was written to IOS with Objective C, and not some portable language where the source code is embedded in the ios apps.
Anything is possible, though. With enough time one could reproduce what the app does. That's probably easier than trying to reverse engineer it.
But I'd guess this is a substantial effort, likely requiring at least many months of work by a single person. But with all the paid work, and interesting free projects available to a person with the skills to port an ios app to Android without source code, why would anyone spend at least several months doing this ?
They could face the prospect of lawsuits from the rights holders, and might be unable to sell their work on official app markets. For what ? A wink from Björk, without even a physical pat on the back ? And perhaps a certain amount of gratitude from some users...
I hope she and others have learned something. If she/they want this to happen, they should at least release open source code freely, and make sure it's not difficult to port. Yeah, the video and audio recordings can remain "proprietary" but the app source code and design documents need to be released.
Or is much of the artistic expression integrated into the source code ? I haven't looked much but I guess these are not simple apps to play video and audio. These are apps that allow some form of interaction; perhaps the music changes with that.
If that's the case, the rights holders likely will want to hold onto their "intellectual/artistic property" and keep any source and design documents to themselves.
IMO, No amount of "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" from Björk will make a porting job easy.
And AFAIK there are no ios emulators for Android that might render this a simpler "pirating" effort.
mikereidis said:
I think it's generally not feasible.
Björk is a very interesting artist. I think her understanding of technology, and specifically software development, "hacking" and "pirating", is limited however.
Yes, the app may have been made potentially portable, but without source code that is more or less useless.
Porting an app between platforms is a much bigger task than "pirating". It's not a simple matter of pulling files from hidden directories, or even doing some limited reverse engineering and patching of an app to bypass license checks. It's MUCH more than the mere pirating of music and movie files.
I'm presuming the app was written to IOS with Objective C, and not some portable language where the source code is embedded in the ios apps.
Anything is possible, though. With enough time one could reproduce what the app does. That's probably easier than trying to reverse engineer it.
But I'd guess this is a substantial effort, likely requiring at least many months of work by a single person. But with all the paid work, and interesting free projects available to a person with the skills to port an ios app to Android without source code, why would anyone spend at least several months doing this ?
They could face the prospect of lawsuits from the rights holders, and might be unable to sell their work on official app markets. For what ? A wink from Björk, without even a physical pat on the back ? And perhaps a certain amount of gratitude from some users...
I hope she and others have learned something. If she/they want this to happen, they should at least release open source code freely, and make sure it's not difficult to port. Yeah, the video and audio recordings can remain "proprietary" but the app source code and design documents need to be released.
Or is much of the artistic expression integrated into the source code ? I haven't looked much but I guess these are not simple apps to play video and audio. These are apps that allow some form of interaction; perhaps the music changes with that.
If that's the case, the rights holders likely will want to hold onto their "intellectual/artistic property" and keep any source and design documents to themselves.
IMO, No amount of "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" from Björk will make a porting job easy.
And AFAIK there are no ios emulators for Android that might render this a simpler "pirating" effort.
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Thanks Mike for the reply. I didn't see this.
Are you sure, that the source code is not included? Is not possible that there's a intermediate state of the the code, that could be built for Android? I always thought, that is something like that.
You are totally right. With the artwork we cannot build the app for android...
And I don't even have an iphone to see how the apps should look like in android.
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Are you sure, that the source code is not included? Is not possible that there's a intermediate state of the the code, that could be built for Android? I always thought, that is something like that.
You are totally right. With the artwork we cannot build the app for android...
And I don't even have an iphone to see how the apps should look like in android.
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I'm pretty sure. Anyone who claims otherwise is challenged to "show me where the source is".
For Android there is an emulator for PCs that many apps can run on, and an app of this type could run.
I know almost nothing of ios development, but likely there is an ios emulator that can run on a Mac at least ? AFAIR, ios development requires a Mac.
Feel free to send Bjork, or the companies that represent her, email asking about this.
I've been a fan of some of her music, and even acting and I even find her cute... And that's why I responded here. I had an initial thought that this could be an interesting project, but I have no time for such an unpaid hobby project.
BTW, Just looked at the iTunes page and some others. Seems to be a $12.99 app. And says "The full Biophilia App Album is now a paid app for new users, old users maintain same in-app-purchase ability." Something tells me the legal fine print says you're screwed if you hack it, especially if you tried to make a few bucks or do it publicly with your real name.
Artists (with money), hollywood and recording industry types tend to have iPhones. They don't know tech per se, don't want to know tech, and they have the cash to spend. They want something that "just works" and that's what the iPhone does, for a price. And ios is where devs make REAL money. Comparatively speaking, Android sucks for making money.
I saw some comment that they didn't make an Android app "for legal reasons". Sounds like a different way to say "business reasons". I imagine her recording company sells her music on iTunes, but doesn't sell it on Google Play in that big ongoing power play between media companies and tech companies ?
mikereidis said:
I think it's generally not feasible.
Björk is a very interesting artist. I think her understanding of technology, and specifically software development, "hacking" and "pirating", is limited however.
Yes, the app may have been made potentially portable, but without source code that is more or less useless.
Porting an app between platforms is a much bigger task than "pirating". It's not a simple matter of pulling files from hidden directories, or even doing some limited reverse engineering and patching of an app to bypass license checks. It's MUCH more than the mere pirating of music and movie files.
I'm presuming the app was written to IOS with Objective C, and not some portable language where the source code is embedded in the ios apps.
Anything is possible, though. With enough time one could reproduce what the app does. That's probably easier than trying to reverse engineer it.
But I'd guess this is a substantial effort, likely requiring at least many months of work by a single person.....
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Quoting my words from a year ago out of sheer vanity, LOL.
New news about her kick-starter project for Android and Windows ports of the IPad Biophilia being put "on hold". Among other sources: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/appsblog/2013/feb/08/bjork-cancels-biophilia-kickstarter
Summary of my opinion: I love her as an artist, but she doesn't understand technology. Ooooh, and I wish she would forget about Windows and just do Android.
IMO the IPad was targetted first because that's what all the at least reasonably well off artsy people used at that time, and could afford. Now she wants the app in the hand of those who can't afford IPads.
So why can't/haven't they just open sourced the code ? Original IOS devs still hold the rights ?
Bjork says:
"porting the app "proved unbelievably complicated""... LOL.
And the estimate seems to be 8 devs (staff?) for 5 months, for both Windows and Android. So maybe 20 developer months for each.
And that's a small project in the world I've come from, with 10-100 dev teams working for years. And she thinks that's "unbelievably complicated".
Now I don't know exactly the scope of the app is; I've never used it on Ipad, and I don't know if it uses some magic IOS stuff that's hard to port.
For all I know it could require the minimum of my quoted estimate of "...at least many months of work by a single person". Or it could be 10-20 man-years. I don't know.
My point continues to be that she doesn't have a grasp of technology. And that's fine, she's a wonderful artist IMO, and there's no shame in not having or not wanting tech knowledge.
mikereidis said:
Quoting my words from a year ago out of sheer vanity, LOL.
New news about her kick-starter project for Android and Windows ports of the IPad Biophilia being put "on hold". Among other sources: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/appsblog/2013/feb/08/bjork-cancels-biophilia-kickstarter
Summary of my opinion: I love her as an artist, but she doesn't understand technology. Ooooh, and I wish she would forget about Windows and just do Android.
IMO the IPad was targetted first because that's what all the at least reasonably well off artsy people used at that time, and could afford. Now she wants the app in the hand of those who can't afford IPads.
So why can't/haven't they just open sourced the code ? Original IOS devs still hold the rights ?
Bjork says:
"porting the app "proved unbelievably complicated""... LOL.
And the estimate seems to be 8 devs (staff?) for 5 months, for both Windows and Android. So maybe 20 developer months for each.
And that's a small project in the world I've come from, with 10-100 dev teams working for years. And she thinks that's "unbelievably complicated".
Now I don't know exactly the scope of the app is; I've never used it on Ipad, and I don't know if it uses some magic IOS stuff that's hard to port.
For all I know it could require the minimum of my quoted estimate of "...at least many months of work by a single person". Or it could be 10-20 man-years. I don't know.
My point continues to be that she doesn't have a grasp of technology. And that's fine, she's a wonderful artist IMO, and there's no shame in not having or not wanting tech knowledge.
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Yes I love her but that's why I think too , she too thought that porting an app will need 5 guys working on it and two months oh bjork
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Chad_Petree said:
Yes I love her but that's why I think too , she too thought that porting an app will need 5 guys working on it and two months oh bjork
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Originally, she hoped that "hackers" would do it, somehow, without source code, and she was giving a "wink, wink" to that.
She seemed to think that porting an app to a different platform would be almost as easy as pirating music, movies or apps.
I'm too busy to get involved, but I would be happy if someone(s) would ask her to get the source code released, and the "community" may be able to look and see and offer opinions or ideas.
Perhaps a few fans have the tech abilities and free time to make something of this at little or no cost, as opposed to professional devs making a normal professional dev income.
There's a forum here: http://4um.bjork.com/viewforum.php?f=16&sid=c28e2e0870bdc695ce7da8da94849918
Anybody know if she communicates openly with her fans online ? Is there an easy way to ask her for source code and offer ideas ?
IMO, she needs to forget about a Windows port, at least for now. It should have been Android from the beginning, but that said, Android is still relatively sub-par when it comes to real-time music generation. IOS stomps Android in this area, though the latest JB changes are promising.
mikereidis said:
Originally, she hoped that "hackers" would do it, somehow, without source code, and she was giving a "wink, wink" to that.
She seemed to think that porting an app to a different platform would be almost as easy as pirating music, movies or apps.
I'm too busy to get involved, but I would be happy if someone(s) would ask her to get the source code released, and the "community" may be able to look and see and offer opinions or ideas.
Perhaps a few fans have the tech abilities and free time to make something of this at little or no cost, as opposed to professional devs making a normal professional dev income.
There's a forum here: http://4um.bjork.com/viewforum.php?f=16&sid=c28e2e0870bdc695ce7da8da94849918
Anybody know if she communicates openly with her fans online ? Is there an easy way to ask her for source code and offer ideas ?
IMO, she needs to forget about a Windows port, at least for now. It should have been Android from the beginning, but that said, Android is still relatively sub-par when it comes to real-time music generation. IOS stomps Android in this area, though the latest JB changes are promising.
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I will ask it in her forum. Perhaps she reads this proposal. It could work.
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I will ask it in her forum. Perhaps she reads this proposal. It could work.
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I signed up on that forum and didn't get any confirmation email.
I was reading the main thread about this, and I think some of the posters understand a bit about s/w development. But some others are very misinformed about how development works.
mikereidis said:
I signed up on that forum and didn't get any confirmation email.
I was reading the main thread about this, and I think some of the posters understand a bit about s/w development. But some others are very misinformed about how development works.
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I am registered in that forum too and it's what you say. They don't have any idea.... :laugh:
But there's good news, at least somebody told in the forum, that she told in an interview, that she will find a cheap way to port biophilia to android.
She would never release the code as open source... It would be crazy... We would have a BIOPHILIA+
It's what you told before. She doesn't really understand the power of doing it... :victory:
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She would never release the code as open source... It would be crazy...
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Well, no open source basically, generally means it's "commercial property".
So this is a commercial venture she has.
That's fine, that's OK. It belongs to her (and/or whomever) and she can do what she wants with it. No different than other software devs / vendors, musicians, song, book or movie writers etc.
But she can't expect some "benevolent hackers" to come along and "port" an app like this for her for free; with or without source code.
And she has something going on with bringing music education to the poor or something like that. And that's why she wants an Android port it appears. The poor can't afford iDevices.
And that's fine too. But it seems like it's a jumble of commercial stuff and some form of self promoting philanthropy.
Anyway, I think she should forget about this years old project and make something completely new for Android. Why re-do what's already been done ? But I guess money comes in there too. It should be faster and cheaper to re-use the high level design and media components.
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Well, no open source basically, generally means it's "commercial property".
So this is a commercial venture she has.
That's fine, that's OK. It belongs to her (and/or whomever) and she can do what she wants with it. No different than other software devs / vendors, musicians, song, book or movie writers etc.
But she can't expect some "benevolent hackers" to come along and "port" an app like this for her for free; with or without source code.
And she has something going on with bringing music education to the poor or something like that. And that's why she wants an Android port it appears. The poor can't afford iDevices.
And that's fine too. But it seems like it's a jumble of commercial stuff and some form of self promoting philanthropy.
Anyway, I think she should forget about this years old project and make something completely new for Android. Why re-do what's already been done ? But I guess money comes in there too. It should be faster and cheaper to re-use the high level design and media components.
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I fully agree. These apps are already a little obsolete for android.
And I have good news. She found a team of developers who is going to do the work for low price. We will have biophilia for android after the summer. Let's see how it is...
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I fully agree. These apps are already a little obsolete for android.
And I have good news. She found a team of developers who is going to do the work for low price. We will have biophilia for android after the summer. Let's see how it is...
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I hope it's not some "boiler room" s/w dev hack operation that promises more than it can deliver. I'm restraining myself from mentioning/identifying certain world areas where this is more common.
She's apparently coming to my town this summer; I've never seen her live; would be interesting.
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I hope it's not some "boiler room" s/w dev hack operation that promises more than it can deliver. I'm restraining myself from mentioning/identifying certain world areas where this is more common.
She's apparently coming to my town this summer; I've never seen her live; would be interesting.
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She said that in one interview. That's what the people in the 4um.bjork.com say. I think it's real.
I saw her live last sommer and was amazing.
Well Biophilia app is already for Android devices!
Check the playstore https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bjork.biophilia
Hope this hasn't been posted before. Has anyone read about this?
I think it's plausible for this to/can happen.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HP-CEO-ZOMG-Android-to-be-closed-after-Motorola-purchase_id26984
Rubva said:
de que habla este foro?
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So much for an English forum! HUH!
There is no way that would happen. Androids shares would drop like a turn you have been holding in for a week. (Yes, thats a comparison)
What? Plausible for HP to say "Oooo you really need to keep WebOS going for us because maybe in some twisted mirror universe Google will make Android closed source and only available on Motorola"
That's all that has happened. HP have said something stupid about Android.
The article even points out WHY Google wouldn't make Android closed source and only available on Motorola.
It may be a good talking point for WebOS, but it's not going to happen. They would have to make Android closed source in order to make it exclusive to Google/Motorola. And since the source is already out there, non Motorola OEMs could continue development on their own or abandon it and go with something else like Windows Phone. It wouldn't be beneficial for Android and I can't see Google doing it.
Where does google make most of its money?
Why would Google develope and release a free and open sourced operating system everyone can use?
Ad Revenue
If Android were to turn closed sourced, Google would loss profit potential. Meg Whitman is an idiot if she thinks Android is going to be closed sourced.
She's just doing her job.
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This would be good for WP7 if true.
vetvito said:
She's just doing her job.
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Well, she's arguably not doing a very good job of it. webOS needs a cheerleader who will make everyone want to use it. Clumsily spreading rumors and FUD about a competitor is not going to garner support for her product, especially such a farfetched rumor.
Here's an idea: find someone (hint: hp can make hardware!) to make a killer device that runs webOS. Make it inexpensive, powerful, give it great battery life and a great design. Then get it into the hands of every developer you can. Send a box of them to Rovio. Give them to Verizon and AT&T (it better be dual-mode like the 4S) employees for free.
Then, make it a point to tell every vendor, carrier, software developer, reviewer, and blogger how great it and webOS is, citing legitimate points and statistics. Send a device to all them. Make something they love and make sure they know it's here to stay. If hp legitimately wants it to be a viable open source OS that other vendors will want to use, they need to shove it down their throats and make it super easy for devs to get it running.
Finally, don't delay it, don't put it on the market for 2 weeks and pull it, don't jack up the price, and don't give it some stupid achille's heel like a PenTile screen or something.
Then webOS will succeed.
When it goes open source, I'm sure Samsung and HTC will make a device. The hardware was the only thing that was really limiting WebOS.
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If HTC ever wants their own OS, here you go.
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Considering hp tried and failed to sell it to htc, I think that ship has sailed.
Google would never do that. They need android to be on as many phones as possible to boost ad revenue. They don't make money from the vendors. Also if they were likely to do that they wouldn't have made their flaship Galaxy Nexus a samsung phone, it would have been motorola.
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Google would never do that. They need android to be on as many phones as possible to boost ad revenue. They don't make money from the vendors. Also if they were likely to do that they wouldn't have made their flaship Galaxy Nexus a samsung phone, it would have been motorola.
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Agreed. Android is an ad/data wet dream for Google.
The data and social engineering aspects for targeting advertisements are massive. They've already invaded your Internets with google and computers with Chrome.
We all hear about all these anonymous usage statistics, but sometimes I'm surprised at how targeted the advertisements feel sometimes.
Probably one of the things that scared me the most was that I recently received a Motorcycle magazine. I've been interested in getting one for a while, but have never actively given my information to anyone before... Just using google, and looking at review of bikes. It's kind of scary that someone got my information, and was able to (at least I feel like) target those advertisements at me.
the google & motorola marriage was approved and completed already by the court
yet Android is still open source
so that old news is just HP trying to get some fly time and pitch WebOS again, but failed yet again
Just throwing this out there for anyone asking how does Google make money on the OS? Well maybe they don't make it directly on the OS its self but they make .30 cents every time a developer sells an app. That adds up pretty quick.
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Unless of course the app is free.
zone23 said:
Just throwing this out there for anyone asking how does Google make money on the OS? Well maybe they don't make it directly on the OS its self but they make .30 cents every time a developer sells an app. That adds up pretty quick.
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Unless of course the app is free.
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Google generates 97% percent of its revenue through ads and they have other income sources as well. Good luck finding app income in that 3%. Probably it is 0.003% of that 3%.
Also paid apps are not that popular in the Android market.
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Google generates 97% percent of its revenue through ads and they have other income sources as well. Good luck finding app income in that 3%. Probably it is 0.003% of that 3%.
Also paid apps are not that popular in the Android market.
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Define "...not that popular..."
Are you saying compared to Apple or what exactly? Whats the basis?
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Define "...not that popular..."
Are you saying compared to Apple or what exactly? Whats the basis?
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He means its a known fact apple users buy more apps than android ones. That's based on various statistics so not just a subjective opinion though the reasons for it are not so clearcut.
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I now refuse to use any Cyanogen products/mod/OS.
Microsoft is investing 70 million dollars into Cyanogen, Inc.
Cyanogen, Inc. is now threatening to wage an OS war with Google.
Honestly i've used CyanogenMod since 5. They are going the way of companies such as RedHat. Remember them?
Sad sad days.
The magic is gone.
nobreak1970 said:
I now refuse to use any Cyanogen products/mod/OS.
Microsoft is investing 70 million dollars into Cyanogen, Inc.
Cyanogen, Inc. is now threatening to wage an OS war with Google.
Honestly i've used CyanogenMod since 5. They are going the way of companies such as RedHat. Remember them?
Sad sad days.
The magic is gone.
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Why is that a bad thing? What Cyanogen wants to do is have a more open Android system. Google seriously has too much control over it. Today, a lot of Android isn't as open as it used to be.
Even if Microsoft is investing in Cyanogen and pushing them to do something for the Windows Phone platform, I think that is a good thing.
Competition breeds innovation. If it wasn't for Apple, we'd still be on Windows Mobile 6.5 or Symbian S60. If it wasn't for Google, iPhones would still not have copy and paste.
Know this that at the end of the day, no single company should be able to strong arm the customer to use what they think is right. Apple tried to do that and Android grew as a result of it.
I agree with what you say, but it seems that Cyanogen (based on recent comments by C, Inc.) is going to use Microsoft to strong arm google.
The entire "we will take android away from google" is counterproductive imho.
We shall see as the situation transpires.
Money talks and sometimes ruins good things. Kondik is a rich man now.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...nogen-hopes-to-take-android-away-from-google/
That may be a biased thread but it does prove what I'm saying overall.
Here is the paragraph in that article that concerns me greatly.
Cyanogen takes the Android source code and modifies it, adding more features and porting it to other devices. It has also started supplying Android builds directly to OEMs (like the OnePlus One), which ship the software on devices instead of stock Android. Last week during a talk in San Francisco, Cyanogen's CEO said the company's goal was to "take Android away from Google." It wants to replace the Google Play ecosystem with apps of its own, the same way that Amazon uses the Android Open Source Project for its Kindle Fire products but adds its own app and content stores.
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I don't mind if they want to do what Amazon did with the Kindle line, but that statement by their CEO is a bold one indeed.
The funny part is that if they take the Amazon course, the community will just do what they did with the Kindle, root it and install google aosp.
I just pray that they don't discontinue CyanogenMod when their game plan starts to come to fruition.
We talk of fragmentation now...just wait. lol
I totally disagree that they want a more open system for android. If they are talking about their own store, etc...they want to control their own stuff, which in my opinion makes things more closed on their end.
Controlling their own identity if fine by me, but like I said....the consumer will deal with more fragmentation than ever.
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I just pray that they don't discontinue CyanogenMod when their game plan starts to come to fruition.
We talk of fragmentation now...just wait. lol
I totally disagree that they want a more open system for android. If they are talking about their own store, etc...they want to control their own stuff, which in my opinion makes things more closed on their end.
Controlling their own identity if fine by me, but like I said....the consumer will deal with more fragmentation than ever.
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You know what will happen? People will root the devices, remove their nonsense and flash Google Play services via TWRP..
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You know what will happen? People will root the devices, remove their nonsense and flash Google Play services via TWRP..
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+1
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I agree that it may be a good thing, with influx of capitol more can be done and anything which leads into a more open platform is imo a good thing. If they end up going down a M$ or Google path with their OS (if they branch out into doing something like that commercially) of controlling everything then yea... it's gonna suck. Small companies/people making a ton of money is not necessarily a bad thing. Time will tell.
Yes . Google has a lot of control over android and its good if Cyanogen wants to change that by making it more open source but having their own play store and services doesn't sound like that. It just kinda shows that Cyanogen wants to up their game and make some heavy money with Microsoft at their back.
As long as it ends up being good for us consumers , I am happy .
Competitions is a good thing. The more they compete the more we get.
OK OK I was a bit tired and grumpy about the cyanogen + Microsoft deal.
I wouldn't hesitate putting CyanogenMOD on my phone if/when it develops .
Still miffed about Cyanogen, Inc. pompous attitude.
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OK OK I was a bit tired and grumpy about the cyanogen + Microsoft deal.
I wouldn't hesitate putting CyanogenMOD on my phone if/when it develops .
Still miffed about Cyanogen, Inc. pompous attitude.
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Don't feel bad. Many feel the same way to the point of even removing their repos from their roms.
Well, I support Cyanogen. But having their own playstore? Fragmentation much?
In my last phone with cm, I never used any gapps or google services. Thats what true android is, android free of bloatware. The last thing I want is a custom rom with its its own set of bloatware.
If they keep CM the same, Ill stay happy. I never respected google with their policies regarding android or unauthorized use of resources by their gapps.
If they try to align with microsoft and perhaps collaborate with them, yeah, sure. I just hope they dont turn android into windows because in that case im out.
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OP, I dont understand why you support google that much. If googles trend keeps on going, android will end up like a bad iOS copycat, with so much taken away from AOSP.
never did use cyanogen. but i think it is a good idea on investing.
we need someone to rake the dough?
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Well, I support Cyanogen. But having their own playstore? Fragmentation much?
In my last phone with cm, I never used any gapps or google services. Thats what true android is, android free of bloatware. The last thing I want is a custom rom with its its own set of bloatware.
If they keep CM the same, Ill stay happy. I never respected google with their policies regarding android or unauthorized use of resources by their gapps.
OP, I dont understand why you support google that much. If googles trend keeps on going, android will end up like a bad iOS copycat, with so much taken away from AOSP.
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Simple: they are letting Microsoft directly in the front door. Sure MS makes revenue now from Android... but Google isn't welcoming them into the fold.
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Simple: they are letting Microsoft directly in the front door. Sure MS makes revenue now from Android... but Google isn't welcoming them into the fold.
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Really, thats it? I still dont understand why you support google. MS makes money out off android anyway, with their licenses and patents.
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MS makes money out off android anyway, with their licenses and patents.
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I was about to say... if you think MS isn't already making money off of Android, you need to sit down and learn how all (or most) devices interconnect. Nobody in this sort of business allows cross-platform anything without getting some payment out of it, which is typically in the form of money.
LOL wanna reread my last post?
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LOL
...that said, if Google didn't want MS in their products, they could have just offered a closed system a la Apple (over-simplifying here, but I digress). Honestly though, if you want to blame something on this whole thing, blame the general userbase.
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LOL
...that said, if Google didn't want MS in their products, they could have just offered a closed system a la Apple (over-simplifying here, but I digress). Honestly though, if you want to blame something on this whole thing, blame the general userbase.
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Yes, but closed system would be totally in contrary of Linux' open source philosophy. They would have to abandon Android then
And now there are so many $$$ signs shining in Google's eyes....
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