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Possible PSP-esque war between Google/Tmobile and hackers?

What does everyone think will happen with future revisions of Android in regards to the fork between the stock G1s with OTA updates and the hacked G1s with manual updates with the test keys?
Hopefully this doesn't turn into Sony's militant locking down of the PSP via every firmware upgrade. Even though I never owned a PSP, I thought it was absolutely insane that Sony would try so hard to keep people from using their purchased equipment in any way they wanted to.
I totally understand that Google had to release RC30 to shut down a GIGANTIC security exploit that could have (but not likely) been used compromise phones. I'm sure it's in their interest to keep a homogeneous G1 userbase but would they actively try to relock rooted phones?
I'm hoping they just leave the rooted G1s alone. Mostly because we bought the phones and they are OURS. We are obligated to stay with Tmobile until the contract is up because the price is subsidized but we are not obligated (in my opinion) to retain the software they were shipped with. Obviously if my phone has a software problem I won't be calling Tmobile. On the other hand, if there is a hardware defect I'm certainly reflashing RC30 and sending it back under warranty.
I would like to hear everyone's opinion. I think it was great that Tmobile UK was good enough to open a dialog about possibly allowing root access but I don't think they really understand what "root access" is or care as long as they sell phones under contract. I don't think Google really cares either since they have open sourced all of the OS that we are modifying which is in the spirit of Open Source Software anyway. I think as long as they get their marketshare, they will be happy.

I dont think so first off the psp hackers down load games so the dont have to pay for them they lose millions each year on the hackers...next i dont thnk that google would do this but t-moble might.But in my opinion i think they will as soon as they start hacking the pay apps. that will start later this year.

HOGWILD said:
I dont think so first off the psp hackers down load games so the dont have to pay for them they lose millions each year on the hackers
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Hogwild hit the nail right on the head. I don't think T-Mo/HTC will engage in a drawn out battle to "steal" back root simply because there is no real financial motivation to do so. I'm of the mind that it's best not to begin speculating unless one of the aforementioned company takes a step in that direction. There's no point whipping up another possible flame-war over something that might never happen.

Ya I agree they are our phones 1 thing you left out not everybody is under contract some ppl paid full price on a prepaid 90 service plan then they get their unlock code. Some people didn't qualify for the upgrade price of 179$ and some people are under contract eiither of all three it is owned by the user the day they signed or paid. Tmobile won't take back a used g1 for failure to honor the 2 year agreement they will bill the customer.
So the whole open source push... and market. There and hundreds of. Thousands of programmers who make programs for the love of advancing "things" look how popular sourceforge is. So you get people who will create a program and demand a nominal fee say 14.95 the dev only gets 70% of the price and the wireless carrier get 30% for nothing. I . Defently there being an underground "market place" that bypasses that standard one to allow people to download free apps. The most exciting thing that everyone is about the market being a paid app is stopping all the comments of the retarded people in the market place
My 2 cents

diabolical28 said:
The most exciting thing that everyone is about the market being a paid app is stopping all the comments of the retarded people in the market place
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There are a lot of idiots in the world with money to waste. Rest assured, the paid apps will have retarded comments as well.

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Wow I hate people that don't know what they talking bout. I wanna clear up a few thing. Being a psp dev I can tell you it wasn't bout the hacking and homebrew. the psp updates were to stop piracy. Btw most exploit on psp were by sony. If you own a psp atlease you would know a little about the scene. Secondly, the root bug is dangerous to us. Google own dev are helping us htc people are leaking tools and t-mobile always let us screw them over. So no it not gonna be no war going on it all for our safety untill the software is right. As you can see we're like test bunnys and when a bug you should be greatful that they release update. So while I love having root access it not that serious right now it just would be right to compare this to the iphone jailbreak scene. Once paid app are here I wouldn't be shock if update start coming to block test key and resigning to respect developer work. Read before posting and short answer no unless as needed

There's not going to be a homogenous Android ecosystem to begin with because each carrier will tailor it to their own needs, and possibly to each handset.

danguyf said:
There's not going to be a homogenous Android ecosystem to begin with because each carrier will tailor it to their own needs, and possibly to each handset.
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Correct. And you can bet that there will be handsets running builds of Android not maintained by Google which will not run Android Market. Whatever carrier releases it will want to funnel that 30% revenue to themselves. I'm concerned that that fracturing of the ecosystem will impede overall market acceptance. And i'm not even talking about the inevitable outcome of Android "strains" that slowly become sdk incompatible with each other.
Here's a posting I made on android-platform and Dianne Hackborn's response:
Right, I'm thinking along the device manufacturer side of things. As
an imperfect analogy, is the Android team okay with manufacturers
producing their own Android builds which may be slightly incompatible
with each other (a la Symbian's various flavors), or will all
manufacturers be encouraged/required to adhere to some technical
requirements checklists in order to brand their phone as Android-
powered? (more like say Windows Mobile).
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We won't, this is something we will be actively discouraging (or from a
positive perspective, doing whatever we can to encourage android devices
to be compatible).
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Of course with an open source project "actively discouraging" can only go so far...

jashsu said:
Whatever carrier releases it will want to funnel that 30% revenue to themselves.
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The carriers already get that 30%.
From the android dev blog
"Starting in early Q1, developers will also be able to distribute paid apps in addition to free apps. Developers will get 70% of the revenue from each purchase; the remaining amount goes to carriers and billing settlement fees—Google does not take a percentage. We believe this revenue model creates a fair and positive experience for users, developers, and carriers."

From what I've heard from Google folks, they aren't that interested in the root thing, that is more a carrier issue. However, the way people originally got root was a serious issue. Not directly because you could get root, but because it was an outright silly bug than could potentially raise havoc on your device if you happened to type the wrong thing on your keyboard.

JesusFreke said:
The carriers already get that 30%.
From the android dev blog
"Starting in early Q1, developers will also be able to distribute paid apps in addition to free apps. Developers will get 70% of the revenue from each purchase; the remaining amount goes to carriers and billing settlement fees—Google does not take a percentage. We believe this revenue model creates a fair and positive experience for users, developers, and carriers."
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I imagine the billing settlement fees could be rather sizeable. I don't run a credit card processing company, but i've seen $.20 - $.30 per transaction thrown around. That's in line with Paypal's fees.
We'll see if other manufacturer/carrier matchups continue to use Android Market. I wouldn't be surprised to see them create their own markets though, simply because if it's possible and there's the slightest financial incentive to do so, eventually someone will do it.

I was in the PSP scene for a long time, admin at one of the largest PSP sites, net admin on the largest PSP IRC server, and had several contacts within Sony's Playstation department. So I know how the scene went pretty well.
Sony did not want homebrew for multiple reasons. The obvious one is ISO playback. No matter what they did, warez was possible. Even back before we had perfected the actual emulation, we could simply patch calls to disc0:/ to ms0:/ and load the EBOOT. If we hadn't figured out how (the first one to truly do it was UMD Emulator, which would patch many of the PSP calls to make it MUCH smoother/more compatible), we could simply expand on this.
The second reason is that we were stepping on their toes, so to speak. They wanted to have many more downloadable minigames that could be booted off of the memstick, something we did years before them. I doubt they liked that we were doing what they planned, and doing it much better/faster.
Thirdly, they were responsible for all bricked devices. Although their unbricking process has always been easy, it costs them time/shipping. It's still a pain and costly for them to do it massively.
This is why they combated it on the PSP so much. On the standard Playstations, they've never had to worry about it this much. They didn't have memory cards that you could easily throw ISOs on, they didn't have any easily loaded software that would allow you to boot them, etc. You had to buy hardware devices (hdloader, the swap program (ffs can't remember the name), or modchips). Pirating the PSP was SO much easier.
Now, onto the G1... a Google employee has already (off the record, speaking for himself, not Google) that they should have just given us root access, especially if HTC was going to be so careless with their NBH images.
If every one was given root access, cracking paid applications would be much easier. Well, that is the belief. In reality, cracking them will be a sinch. With easily done byte code modification, and resigning the APK, I doubt there's an application that CAN'T be cracked. As long as you could install apps from browser/SD card, you can crack them. Even if they locked it down to market only, we could spoof DNS servers and run "unofficial" markets with cracked applications. This wouldn't require root access at all.
(excuse any typos, it's 10F outside atm and I'm trying to smoke.)

Gary13579 said:
I was in the PSP scene for a long time, admin at one of the largest PSP sites, net admin on the largest PSP IRC server, and had several contacts within Sony's Playstation department. So I know how the scene went pretty well.
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I know you, your from www.psp-hacks.com huh Dash Hacks Network is my only source lol hey didn't you recently do some homebrew app i remember seeing something bout you on qj. lol your coding for g1 now? maybe a nice irc for g1?

aron4588 said:
I know you, your from www.psp-hacks.com huh Dash Hacks Network is my only source lol hey didn't you recently do some homebrew app i remember seeing something bout you on qj. lol your coding for g1 now? maybe a nice irc for g1?
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The last time I used my PSP was a year ago, as a flash drive so I could reformat my computer. I haven't actually *used* it in years, so anything you saw on QJ wasn't about the real Gary .
But yes that's me, and I was an admin at Dash Hacks.

aron4588 said:
I know you, your from www.psp-hacks.com huh Dash Hacks Network is my only source lol hey didn't you recently do some homebrew app i remember seeing something bout you on qj. lol your coding for g1 now? maybe a nice irc for g1?
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Yes please a "full irc client would be nice." there is a "irc client" if you can call it that in the market called Firc it is a neat program then you come to figure out the dev is running the only channel it can join as ops and Perm bans any user not on a G1. Also at his discretion. Seems to much like a plug to me soon enough he will add an ADbot you watch and people with accidently click the hell out of the ad links .

diabolical28 said:
Yes please a "full irc client would be nice." there is a "irc client" if you can call it that in the market called Firc it is a neat program then you come to figure out the dev is running the only channel it can join as ops and Perm bans any user not on a G1. Also at his discretion. Seems to much like a plug to me soon enough he will add an ADbot you watch and people with accidently click the hell out of the ad links .
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Lol what? fIRC lets you connect to any server and any channel.

diabolical28 said:
Yes please a "full irc client would be nice." there is a "irc client" if you can call it that in the market called Firc it is a neat program then you come to figure out the dev is running the only channel it can join as ops and Perm bans any user not on a G1. Also at his discretion. Seems to much like a plug to me soon enough he will add an ADbot you watch and people with accidently click the hell out of the ad links .
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http://code.google.com/p/androidirc/

webOS for android? might sound dumb but is it even possible?

ok saw a post on the sprint hero boards and wanted to ask over here aswell since the g1 area has a lot more developers for it.
would porting webOS to an android phone seem possible? I had a palm pre for a bit was cool and fast, I like android more but the thought of running it would be cool

Noooooooooo

You mean porting over apps?
or running webOS on your phone?

In a word:
No.
In more words:
We need drivers. There are no WebOS drivers for Android devices. Many of the existing drivers that we need are proprietary, meaning (and I'm not sure on this part) most likely the hardware specifications necessary to write drivers are closed as well. If they are not closed, it would be possible--but not for a team of geeks like XDA. You'd need a major entity, like Google, to do it, which won't happen. Besides, not all of WebOS is completely open-source, just like not ALL of what goes into Android phones is. It's just not possible--even if the driver issue could be overcome, which it can't.
Yet another word:
This is a question, so it belongs in Q&A. Not to be a jerk or anything, but just letting you know, so next time you can post there.

Doesn't seem possible at this current time however I disagree with the post above if all of xda devs came together then it might be possible due to the fact cyanogen im guessing could make his own drivers etc. However as said above it would not be possible due to the fact it is not completely open-source
ps: Why would you want webOS it is nothing compared to android - IF you agree then post back with this a smile ^_^

xillius200 said:
Doesn't seem possible at this current time however I disagree with the post above if all of xda devs came together then it might be possible due to the fact cyanogen im guessing could make his own drivers etc. However as said above it would not be possible due to the fact it is not completely open-source
ps: Why would you want webOS it is nothing compared to android - IF you agree then post back with this a smile ^_^
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Have you ever written a device driver? You need detailed spec of the interfaces of the piece of hardware you're trying to talk to. Without them you're trying to build the Empire State Building blindfolded with a teaspoon and pair of pliers.

linuxluver said:
Have you ever written a device driver? You need detailed spec of the interfaces of the piece of hardware you're trying to talk to. Without them you're trying to build the Empire State Building blindfolded with a teaspoon and pair of pliers.
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Okay so simply put we would need MacGyver to write the drivers...

you know, none of this is true, as the drivers for all of the HTC android phones have the drivers built into the kernel (as opposed to running as modules with the exception of wifi) because of GPL, they have released this information, albeit kinda late (*cough* CDMA hero) one stumbling block is how WebOS is going to interface with the drivers may be different, keep in palm has its kernel modifications "drivers" also available (once again because of GPL) so if interfacing is different, it COULD possibly be reverse engineered... the actual WebOS platform IS closed source however, making this all much much more difficult.
http://developer.htc.com/
http://opensource.palm.com/
dont let anyone tell you its impossible, its not. Are you going to port it? No, if you had to start this thread, then its not likely.

mbazdell said:
Okay so simply put we would need MacGyver to write the drivers...
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rofl..............

Napoleon said:
Impossible is a word only to be found in the dictionary of fools.
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That said I like my android

linuxluver said:
Have you ever written a device driver? You need detailed spec of the interfaces of the piece of hardware you're trying to talk to. Without them you're trying to build the Empire State Building blindfolded with a teaspoon and pair of pliers.
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Also yeah without knowing about the phone it is like building the empire state building. That's why you buy the phone open it up find details on the phone first off and try and figure it out by taking a long look and experimenting otherwise you will never get anywhere. It is like life without actually doing it and just saying about it you will never achieve it so you do it
If Cyanogen or another dev decided to do this it is not impossible as long as they know how to build a device driver which i know 4 of the devs on here can do it is not impossible. The question is would they actually do this project?
Personally I do not see a point in this project if you wanted a webOS why didn't you buy a palm sry if i may sound a little rude but it is the truth why buy a android?
If i may have sounded rude in the sentence above i am very sry you can shun me down

xillius200 said:
For linux once never went my way and stop having a go i was just voicing my opinion it is a free country im just saying with cyanogenmod, Wesgarner, Ctso, Kingklick etc. we stand a great chance at doing it and i bet cyan must have made a device driver before. so please don't go off on one i don't care if this get's made as stated below android is better anyway so get off my back linuxluver and stop being a jackass all I was trying to say is it could be done and not impossible you are making it sound like we have no hope in hell.
ps: I only wan't to come on here to chat and make friends not to be abused
ps2: Also yeah without knowing about the phone it is like building the empire state building. That's why you buy the phone open it up find details on the phone first off and try and figure it out without taking a long look and experimenting you will never get anywhere. It is like life without actually doing it and just saying about it you will never achieve it so you do it
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You really have no idea whatsoever as to how computer hardware works. Like the other person said, there just isn't a chance in hell of a small group of people working in their free time without the cooperation of hardware manufacturers to do what you're saying.
Look at AOSP, think of all the people working on it, and we still don't have everything working on it correctly. And that's with an open-source OS, not to mention Android was meant to use on these HTC phones anyway.

Web OS is really nice but doesn't seem very popular considering only 2 phones have it while. 10+ phones will come out with Android. I bet if this was done the person asking would use it for like a month then go to another ROM. Which means all that work trying to make drivers would go in vain.

xencor said:
You really have no idea whatsoever as to how computer hardware works. Like the other person said, there just isn't a chance in hell of a small group of people working in their free time without the cooperation of hardware manufacturers to do what you're saying.
Look at AOSP, think of all the people working on it, and we still don't have everything working on it correctly. And that's with an open-source OS, not to mention Android was meant to use on these HTC phones anyway.
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So is a small group of people not good enough look at bill gates for example creator of microsoft started of with the apple man 2 people now we have microsoft windows and apple so are you saying a small group of people can't do something amazing every now and again?
Also i do not care about webOS i hate webOS in fact i just wanted to extract my opinion and further fourth nothing is impossible look at wireless electricity about a few years ago seen as a myth now look at it. This could be done one day maybe not now but sometime in the future. Most of webOS is in java anyway and most of it is using dbus.
I thought that emulating it on a jvm may be possible? like freedsb running over the top of windows in a vm.
Also all those who port drivers from windows to linux and max to windows etc. have no help from the manafacturers and they still manage to do it and they work alone.
Im not going to voice my opinion in this thread again i have had enough with people who don't let people talk their mind all it was was an opinion nothing more and a possible chance of it working instead of it sounding like it's impossible unless you try you will never know and that is that stuff this thread i have had enough with you people i am out of here don't bother replying to this because i will not read it.

xillius200 said:
So is a small group of people not good enough look at bill gates for example creator of microsoft started of with the apple man 2 people now we have microsoft windows so youre point is?
Also i do not care about webOS i hate webOS in fact i just wanted to extract my opinion and further fourth nothing is impossible look at wireless electricity about a few years ago seen as a myth now look at it. This could be done one day maybe not now but sometime in the future.
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Do the developers on XDA have a source of revenue that I'm unaware of? Do they have billions of dollars in profits that spurn growth and encourage new, more experienced developers to join the business and help? Is there even a business at all?
The answer is no. There is no R&D department behind XDA. There is no venture capital firm supporting cyanogen or kingklick with money.
Again, you really have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't just a "take open the phone, look at the serial number on the board, and then write your own driver." This is something that computer manufacturers spend years developing their own proprietary code and then design specific chipsets to work with it. Years and money, lots and lots of money.
And you're still forgetting that webOS and even parts of android are not open sourced, which complicates it even further, even to the extent of making a webOS port technically illegal under copyright laws.

xencor said:
not to mention Android was meant to use on these HTC phones anyway.
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not 100% true, both android and WebOS run on top of the linux kernel, drivers are already written, like I said, its not a rewrite of drivers, rather interfacing with hardware may be different, but thanks to GPL, we can more easily figure out how the software interfaces with the drivers since we have drivers (albeit for some different hardware) for both Palm AND Android devices... obviously this would all be no easy task... but hell, android work tits on my Kaiser, with the radio/sms/wifi/camera/gps.... and it WASN'T designed to run android!
something else to mention I suppose is the work done to get Mer Linux (Open source replacement for Maemo) running on the Kaiser/Vogue, it booted and its X system worked enough to get to setup information, albeit the screen was too low of a res to do much and it has far too little ram to be useful... let me put it this way... it would be entirely possible for someone to port WebOS over, though the radio/BT/Wifi/accel/etc. may not work initially. I'd be stoked to try out test builds, and I think so would MANY other people.
*broken down: android wasnt meant to run on these phones, linux was meant to, and android was meant to run on top of that*

xencor said:
Do the developers on XDA have a source of revenue that I'm unaware of? Do they have billions of dollars in profits that spurn growth and encourage new, more experienced developers to join the business and help? Is there even a business at all?
The answer is no. There is no R&D department behind XDA. There is no venture capital firm supporting cyanogen or kingklick with money.
Again, you really have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't just a "take open the phone, look at the serial number on the board, and then write your own driver." This is something that computer manufacturers spend years developing their own proprietary code and then design specific chipsets to work with it. Years and money, lots and lots of money.
And you're still forgetting that webOS and even parts of android are not open sourced, which complicates it even further, even to the extent of making a webOS port technically illegal under copyright laws.
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I have already said in my earlier post that it is not open-source so read b4 you post and even the smallest one man on his own can do someting incredible look at DA cracked the psp 14-15yo and wrote his own drivers and software and look at the ps3 hacker who has found exploit through the memory neither of them have a company or backing just normal people and are you saying that is not possible?
i will not talk any longer all in all webOS is a stupid idea it could be possible one day and end of
ps: I don't like but jmhalder is cool

jmhalder said:
not 100% true, both android and WebOS run on top of the linux kernel, drivers are already written, like I said, its not a rewrite of drivers, rather interfacing with hardware may be different, but thanks to GPL, we can more easily figure out how the software interfaces with the drivers since we have drivers (albeit for some different hardware) for both Palm AND Android devices... obviously this would all be no easy task... but hell, android work tits on my Kaiser, with the radio/sms/wifi/camera/gps.... and it WASN'T designed to run android!
something else to mention I suppose is the work done to get Mer Linux (Open source replacement for Maemo) running on the Kaiser/Vogue, it booted and its X system worked enough to get to setup information, albeit the screen was too low of a res to do much and it has far too little ram to be useful... let me put it this way... it would be entirely possible for someone to port WebOS over, though the radio/BT/Wifi/accel/etc. may not work initially. I'd be stoked to try out test builds, and I think so would MANY other people.
*broken down: android wasnt meant to run on these phones, linux was meant to, and android was meant to run on top of that*
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Thank you for talking some sense on the subject that it is possible thank you very much i respect you because you think anything is possible you may go far in the world. the one's who never try may never know and for that will fall behind. You are the only one on here who talks sense and for that i applaud you
ps: Very Much thanks from Xillius200 for believing it to be possible instead of just shooting it down
ps2: It takes a true person to not give up and takes a less person to give up straight away so never give up

xillius200 said:
I have already said in my earlier post that it is not open-source so read b4 you post and even the smallest one man on his own can do someting incredible look at DA cracked the psp 14-15yo and wrote his own drivers and software and look at the ps3 hacker who has found exploit through the memory neither of them have a company or backing just normal people and are you saying that is not possible?
i will not talk any longer all in all webOS is a stupid idea it could be possible one day and end of
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DA did not write his own drivers. "Cracking" and using existing drivers is not nearly the same thing, nor is using a loophole in a PS3 memory chip.
Again, i'm sorry, but you just have no idea what you're talking about.
As someone else has pointed out by now, it might actually be possible to get webOS on an android phone, but that's only because the drivers already exist, not because cyanogen and XDA are gods and can do what you're proposing.

xencor said:
DA did not write his own drivers. "Cracking" and using existing drivers is not nearly the same thing, nor is using a loophole in a PS3 memory chip.
Again, i'm sorry, but you just have no idea what you're talking about.
As someone else has pointed out by now, it might actually be possible to get webOS on an android phone, but that's only because the drivers already exist, not because cyanogen and XDA are gods and can do what you're proposing.
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I am not calling them gods writing different drivers seperate to a device is possible and DA did write some of his own drivers for the psp for addons and linking to the pc. Also to gain access to the memory he had to make a device and write a driver for it that devices already came wth a driver but he wrote his own. This was a different person XD
And i have had enough i am out of here dont know why the hell we are argueing you do not know much about android either so leave it at that and keep the forum open
I here by cease this fighting going on and say good day

HP CEO: ZOMG, Android to be closed

Hope this hasn't been posted before. Has anyone read about this?
I think it's plausible for this to/can happen.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HP-CEO-ZOMG-Android-to-be-closed-after-Motorola-purchase_id26984

Rubva said:
de que habla este foro?
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So much for an English forum! HUH!

There is no way that would happen. Androids shares would drop like a turn you have been holding in for a week. (Yes, thats a comparison)

What? Plausible for HP to say "Oooo you really need to keep WebOS going for us because maybe in some twisted mirror universe Google will make Android closed source and only available on Motorola"
That's all that has happened. HP have said something stupid about Android.
The article even points out WHY Google wouldn't make Android closed source and only available on Motorola.

It may be a good talking point for WebOS, but it's not going to happen. They would have to make Android closed source in order to make it exclusive to Google/Motorola. And since the source is already out there, non Motorola OEMs could continue development on their own or abandon it and go with something else like Windows Phone. It wouldn't be beneficial for Android and I can't see Google doing it.

Where does google make most of its money?
Why would Google develope and release a free and open sourced operating system everyone can use?
Ad Revenue
If Android were to turn closed sourced, Google would loss profit potential. Meg Whitman is an idiot if she thinks Android is going to be closed sourced.

She's just doing her job.
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This would be good for WP7 if true.

vetvito said:
She's just doing her job.
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Well, she's arguably not doing a very good job of it. webOS needs a cheerleader who will make everyone want to use it. Clumsily spreading rumors and FUD about a competitor is not going to garner support for her product, especially such a farfetched rumor.
Here's an idea: find someone (hint: hp can make hardware!) to make a killer device that runs webOS. Make it inexpensive, powerful, give it great battery life and a great design. Then get it into the hands of every developer you can. Send a box of them to Rovio. Give them to Verizon and AT&T (it better be dual-mode like the 4S) employees for free.
Then, make it a point to tell every vendor, carrier, software developer, reviewer, and blogger how great it and webOS is, citing legitimate points and statistics. Send a device to all them. Make something they love and make sure they know it's here to stay. If hp legitimately wants it to be a viable open source OS that other vendors will want to use, they need to shove it down their throats and make it super easy for devs to get it running.
Finally, don't delay it, don't put it on the market for 2 weeks and pull it, don't jack up the price, and don't give it some stupid achille's heel like a PenTile screen or something.
Then webOS will succeed.

When it goes open source, I'm sure Samsung and HTC will make a device. The hardware was the only thing that was really limiting WebOS.
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If HTC ever wants their own OS, here you go.
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I Am Marino said:
If HTC ever wants their own OS, here you go.
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Considering hp tried and failed to sell it to htc, I think that ship has sailed.

Google would never do that. They need android to be on as many phones as possible to boost ad revenue. They don't make money from the vendors. Also if they were likely to do that they wouldn't have made their flaship Galaxy Nexus a samsung phone, it would have been motorola.

rekh127 said:
Google would never do that. They need android to be on as many phones as possible to boost ad revenue. They don't make money from the vendors. Also if they were likely to do that they wouldn't have made their flaship Galaxy Nexus a samsung phone, it would have been motorola.
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Agreed. Android is an ad/data wet dream for Google.

The data and social engineering aspects for targeting advertisements are massive. They've already invaded your Internets with google and computers with Chrome.
We all hear about all these anonymous usage statistics, but sometimes I'm surprised at how targeted the advertisements feel sometimes.
Probably one of the things that scared me the most was that I recently received a Motorcycle magazine. I've been interested in getting one for a while, but have never actively given my information to anyone before... Just using google, and looking at review of bikes. It's kind of scary that someone got my information, and was able to (at least I feel like) target those advertisements at me.

the google & motorola marriage was approved and completed already by the court
yet Android is still open source
so that old news is just HP trying to get some fly time and pitch WebOS again, but failed yet again

Just throwing this out there for anyone asking how does Google make money on the OS? Well maybe they don't make it directly on the OS its self but they make .30 cents every time a developer sells an app. That adds up pretty quick.
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Unless of course the app is free.

zone23 said:
Just throwing this out there for anyone asking how does Google make money on the OS? Well maybe they don't make it directly on the OS its self but they make .30 cents every time a developer sells an app. That adds up pretty quick.
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Unless of course the app is free.
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Google generates 97% percent of its revenue through ads and they have other income sources as well. Good luck finding app income in that 3%. Probably it is 0.003% of that 3%.
Also paid apps are not that popular in the Android market.

Inagalaxyfaraway said:
Google generates 97% percent of its revenue through ads and they have other income sources as well. Good luck finding app income in that 3%. Probably it is 0.003% of that 3%.
Also paid apps are not that popular in the Android market.
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Define "...not that popular..."
Are you saying compared to Apple or what exactly? Whats the basis?

JustROLLIN said:
Define "...not that popular..."
Are you saying compared to Apple or what exactly? Whats the basis?
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He means its a known fact apple users buy more apps than android ones. That's based on various statistics so not just a subjective opinion though the reasons for it are not so clearcut.
Dave
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Removed the OP in protest due to the abusive I endured by some XDA members. In spite of reporting them to the moderates of the forums in question and my views were shared with more members than the abusers one of my threads was closed instead.
To those truly care about technology and its surrounding matters, please accept my sincere apologies for this inconvenience. I will no longer be part of the XDA community. Thank you.

Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
CSharpHeaven said:
Part 2
Applications & Games
The very exaggerated figure (over 400,000) by Google is only to generate market hypes and to give an impression how popular the Android platform is.
The truth is Google has used hundreds of thousands of hopeful individuals with prospect of success to submit anything to fight back Apple's App Store, only in terms of numbers that is. The chance to success, financially, on Google's Play Store is only very small for established vendors and even smaller for individuals when the competition exceeds by vast numbers. Think of the odds in lottery to come to the same conclusion.
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You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.

Spell checker?
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nejc121 said:
Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.
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I'm glad you are not the only XDA member that can read.

what boggles me is that android is the first os that has gotten my trust, for better or for worse. as strange as it may sound, i like updates, i am happy when notifications drop in and i certainly read the changelogs and see what's new. no other OS has ever been able to do that to me. i am using windows at work, macosx at home and linux for website-server stuff. some of these systems are here for decades, and yet they have never really taken care of my needs. i have no trust in them and never had, i click away update nagscreens whenever i see them, i hate when firefox bugs me with it, i dont trust any application, i know they put their dump onto my harddrives, mess it all up from inside, they have brought their own installation/deinstallation scripts and deamons for updates that clog my ram and suck my bandwidth, they are unsigned and unsafe, they spam my screen with popups, i do not know what permissions they require and what api's they call - they do whatever the hell they want. i use them because i have to.
yes, android has kinks and problems, but this is the cleanest OS, from a users standpoint, i have seen and used. my technical background may be lacking but this was my first impression. and because of that i can deal with buggy apps just fine, i either tollerate it or uninstall and search for something works on the market. and for some crazy reason i enjoy it, although i hated it on pc/mac/linux. so in this regard i think the app-market is doing great. it is true of course that the quality from app to app varies alot, but many do have high standards and work flawlessly. i for one think it is good that the android market does not have severe restrictions, because updates can get pushed when a defect is found. you have the opposite on apple and i did read reports that state their apps generally crash more often, which makes absolute sense because each update must go through an odyssey of admittance. bugs itself will always happen, every programmer knows that, but the android market has made sure that we do not suffer from them as much as on other systems. the underbelly of android with its signing-mechanisms, permission-transparency, packet-installer, subtle notifications, etc., all this works for me and im using my desktop less and less for a reason.

molesarecoming said:
what boggles me is that android is the first os that has gotten my trust, for better or for worse. as strange as it may sound, i like updates, i am happy when notifications drop in and i certainly read the changelogs and see what's new. no other OS has ever been able to do that to me. i am using windows at work, macosx at home and linux for website stuff. some of these systems are here for decades, and yet they have never really taken care of my needs. i have no trust in them and never had, i click away update nagscreens whenever i see them, i hate when firefox bugs me with it, i dont trust any application, i know they put their dump into my systems, mess it up from inside, they have brought their own installation/deinstallation scripts and deamons for updates that clog my ram and suck my bandwidth, they are unsigned and unsafe, they spam my screen with popups, i do not know what permissions they require and what api's they call - they do whatever they want. i use them because i have to.
yes, android has kinks and problems, but this is the cleanest OS, from a users standpoint, i have seen and used. my technical background may be lacking but this is the first impression. and because of that i can deal with buggy apps just fine, i either tollerate it or uninstall and search for something works on the market. and for some crazy reason i enjoy it, although i hated it on pc/mac/linux. so in this regard i think the app-market is doing great. it is true of course that the quality of the apps varies alot, but many do have high standards and work flawlessly. i for one think it is good that the android market does not have severe restrictions, because updates can get pushed when a defect is found. you have the opposite on apple and i did read reports that state their apps generally crash more often, which makes absolute sense because each update must go through an odyssey of admittance. bugs itself will always happen, every programmer knows that, but the android market has made sure that we do not suffer from them as much as on other systems.
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Thank you for your inputs. I would like to clarify a couple of things, if you don't mind.
I have never made a comment about the Google Play Store's update process that updates the downloaded applications. Since you did, I do agree with you regarding the advantages you rightly addressed. What I might not agree with you is the trust where my credit card details can be added to the profile Google creates for all the citizens.
My point, that you responded to, was about the inability Android OS has to update itself the way, for example, Microsoft Windows or Apple's iOS can. Also the only thing Android can update on any Android handsets is the Google Play Store app. I found this very unfair when thousands of users, behalf the rest, were campaigning to push their respective manufacturers to release the next version of Android. During such campaign I fell ill from the distress. I cannot recall going through such similar experience in my 20+ in I.T. Believe me, being a software developer I can tolerate high mental pressures but that experience was something else. I don't wish anyone else go through the same experience ever and they shouldn't really.
I've been writing this article with the consideration of the bigger issues. I cannot conclude Android is a good platform based on a small technical convenience when I have vivid visions on what Google is doing with Android and beyond the mobile space.
If my ID suggests I must be a Microsoft's fan then allow me to say to the readers that I have only two Android phones which I use one of them to write my article and this response. Also I use an Android phone as my primary device, using up to three 1930mAh batteries a day. No, I don't watch movies on my phones but listen to music from time to time.

nejc121 said:
Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.
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His name leads me to believe Microsoft Fanboi - C# is a Microsoft language very similar to java - but has enough similarities to be it's own language.
edit - you posted at a similar time to me.
I will read this from now on, but probably won't comment. I enjoy hearing what ppl have to say.

i have to use c# daily in my job, its great, my favourite until now. did you know that google once played with the thought to make it androids base language? read it somewhere. must be a myth though.
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CSharpHeaven said:
I found this very unfair when thousands of users, behalf the rest, were campaigning to push their respective manufacturers to release the next version of Android. During such campaign I fell ill from the distress. I cannot recall going through such similar experience in my 20+ in I.T.
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well, i am certainly pissed that my older handset, the s2, caught a disease called touchwizz recently instead of the modern operatig system i was hoping for. but falling ill? come on, get another phone, an iphone maybe, or if you still have hopes for android a nexus, and all will be fine. i learned my lesson from this, i'll never, ever buy something that is not directly maintained by google itself. i heard some people really loved touchwiz and samsungs efforts, to each his own. i thing its nice though that you have the choice.

Force Sale: Redmi Note 5 For iPhone-XR Due To Major Security Concerns..

If Your Personal Information Means Anything To You...
Read The Article: https://www.cnet.com/news/these-android-apps-have-been-tracking-you-even-when-you-say-stop/
I know for a lot of you.. This Means Nothing.
But.. for those of you that do Business on your device.. banking or otherwise.. or store personal photos, docs etc.. it may be time to let Android based devices go.
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Am I in the minority in feeling this way after reading this article? :angel:

Do you really think that the iPhone is better? hehe
Wysłane z mojego Redmi Note 5 przy użyciu Tapatalka

The funny thing is some android users are still concerned about the security and still fails to understand that every android user ( I'm 100% convinced that anyone even iOS or anything else) is already ****ed long time ago.
And in this article it was enough to read the first line about what Google will do (Google said it had investigated Egelman's report and taken action on some apps)
The biggest data stealers are investigating a security issue...LMAO
If your daughter got pregnant from her boyfriend, google will know before you, that was one of the little things i read about Google.
I really have many things to say but i feel it's just a waste of time.
No need to worry at all, they already know everything about you, everyone is watched by the satellites, they are controlling everything, so after all those years you started to worry about your privacy? for real?

Just don't use the Internet bro! No Internet = no privacy risk!

I've Grown Up..
Antyhaker said:
Do you really think that the iPhone is better? hehe
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I've Long Since Grown Out Of The "Fanboy" Stage...
Everyone Knows The iPhone Is Superior.. The Performance Numbers Clearly Show NOTHING Touches The iPhone's Bionic Processor.. Nothing Runs As Fluid.. But Most Of All Apple Has ALWAYS Controlled The Hardware AND Software.. :angel:
Please....
Link Me To The "The iPhone Has Been Hacked" Articles.... :victory:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.

RaiderWill said:
I've Long Since Grown Out Of The "Fanboy" Stage...
Everyone Knows The iPhone Is Superior.. The Performance Numbers Clearly Show NOTHING Touches The iPhone's Bionic Processor.. Nothing Runs As Fluid.. But Most Of All Apple Has ALWAYS Controlled The Hardware AND Software.. :angel:
Please....
Link Me To The "The iPhone Has Been Hacked" Articles.... :victory:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.
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Bruh, benchmarks doesnt mean nothing, in speed tests the Xperia XZ2 beat the XS with a "less powerful" SD845, and about two weeks ago there was a bug/exploit which let 'hackers' spy you through Facetime, even Apple recognized his error and it's fixed now, but that means that even iPhones are vulnerable, i'm not trying to stopping you to switch to the iPhone but still, not the most secure either.
https://iphone.appleinsider.com/art...milar-to-group-facetime-bug-for-eavesdropping

RaiderWill said:
If Your Personal Information Means Anything To You...
Read The Article: https://www.cnet.com/news/these-android-apps-have-been-tracking-you-even-when-you-say-stop/
I know for a lot of you.. This Means Nothing.
But.. for those of you that do Business on your device.. banking or otherwise.. or store personal photos, docs etc.. it may be time to let Android based devices go.
This is my year to upgrade from the XRN5... ($100.00) if anyone wants it (P.S. me) and I think I may have to switch camps ( Ugh! ) for the security alone.
Am I in the minority in feeling this way after reading this article? :angel:
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This is fine and all, but you realize that you can literally use custom frameworks to completely avoid Google/Mi/Samsung/whatever you're using, right?
Security is a relative term. If you know the right things, nobody can take away your data without your consent.
These kinds of posts only bring out the fact that you're never going to modify the internals of your device, and use it to its full potential.
In that case, you deserve an iPhone. XDA is not for you.

rocker00 said:
The funny thing is some android users are still concerned about the security and still fails to understand that every android user ( I'm 100% convinced that anyone even iOS or anything else) is already ****ed long time ago.
And in this article it was enough to read the first line about what Google will do (Google said it had investigated Egelman's report and taken action on some apps)
The biggest data stealers are investigating a security issue...LMAO
If your daughter got pregnant from her boyfriend, google will know before you, that was one of the little things i read about Google.
I really have many things to say but i feel it's just a waste of time.
No need to worry at all, they already know everything about you, everyone is watched by the satellites, they are controlling everything, so after all those years you started to worry about your privacy? for real?
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I don't think Apple is any better, their all american companies.
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RaiderWill said:
I've Long Since Grown Out Of The "Fanboy" Stage...
Everyone Knows The iPhone Is Superior.. The Performance Numbers Clearly Show NOTHING Touches The iPhone's Bionic Processor.. Nothing Runs As Fluid.. But Most Of All Apple Has ALWAYS Controlled The Hardware AND Software.. :angel:
Please....
Link Me To The "The iPhone Has Been Hacked" Articles.... :victory:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.
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You call this device old dude? -,- I normally use a phone at least 2 years or more before I even think of changing and this device is barely 1 year old almost only. I bought my RN5 just 3 months ago for almost 200 Bucks.. lol Cause I don't like the RN6 or 7, Notch looks horrible and Apple Stuff is not allowed to even get into my room. I love Android devices and I'm proud of it. Btw. I don't do any banking stuff on any device, I'm oldschool. I prefer buying stuff with real money and not virtual through devices.
P.S. When you love and adore Apple so much, please kindly let us in peace and leave this forum lol XDA is not for spreading Apple love.

xell75 said:
I don't think Apple is any better, their all american
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That's what i said, Ofc they aren't, or anything else.
rocker00 said:
( I'm 100% convinced that anyone even iOS or anything else)
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Some "intelligent" dudes here think that they will be in the safe side by using the custom ROMs cuz MIUI is full of spy, i read that many times here, ofc MIUI is full of spy (not joking) but what is the difference if it's from MIUI or Google?
After using Whatsapp and FB and bla bla and still looking for privacy
And know he's saying he will be in the safe side by using the iOS, the white angels, like i said, this is just a waste of time, happy safe side for all.

RaiderWill said:
If Your Personal Information Means Anything To You...
Read The Article: https://www.cnet.com/news/these-android-apps-have-been-tracking-you-even-when-you-say-stop/
I know for a lot of you.. This Means Nothing.
But.. for those of you that do Business on your device.. banking or otherwise.. or store personal photos, docs etc.. it may be time to let Android based devices go.
This is my year to upgrade from the XRN5... ($100.00) if anyone wants it (P.S. me) and I think I may have to switch camps ( Ugh! ) for the security alone.
Am I in the minority in feeling this way after reading this article? :angel:
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looool
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/themes/list-favorite-applications-oneplus-5t-t3739134
i like how you now are switching to apple that basically lock you on your crappy phone without any chance to change even your icon pack sorry but this is bs for me

As long as you are online you won't be safe and private buddy.. don't delude yourself, ios, Android, Windows, linux doesn't matter.. in my opinion everything is comprised, I mean cmon, Tor was made by the CIA. Even if the software is securez let's say you have a super autistic Linux distro and some Tor variant and vpn, you can stilk be f*cked by the hardware backdoors installed there since the manufacturing process
1984 is our reality, because we choose it to be like that for comfort and apathy

alexmason90 said:
Tor was made by the CIA. Even if the software is securez let's say you have a super autistic Linux distro and some Tor variant and vpn,
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I really salute you , i swear i was about to talk about the same thing, the deep & dark web but since the main purpose of this topic to sell his device maybe so i didn't even care to write more, as you said, since you accepted to use all of these things you have to forget about something calls privacy.
Also like the post before you says, A LOCKED DEVICE and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!

Such Anger...
abrahamrhs said:
Bruh, benchmarks doesnt mean nothing and about two weeks ago there was a bug/exploit which let 'hackers' spy you through Facetime
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"Benchmarks Don't Mean Nothin"
Really?
Then... why does every website that researches performance use them.. :victory:
id74em8 said:
This is fine and all, but you realize that you can literally use custom frameworks to completely avoid Google/Mi/Samsung/whatever you're using, right?
Security is a relative term. If you know the right things, nobody can take away your data without your consent.
These kinds of posts only bring out the fact that you're never going to modify the internals of your device, and use it to its full potential.
In that case, you deserve an iPhone. XDA is not for you.
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Do You See How Many Comments & Thanks I Have?
Do You Think This Is My 1st Redeo?
Why in the world would I "Avoid" Using any of the OS's you've mentioned??
Some Devices Are "Safer" Than Others..... And Fact Is.... The Note 5 is quite frankly old news in 2019.. I Modified It.. Back In It's Day.. The Custom ROM's Were ALL Buggy To Some Degree..
I Went Rooted-Stock.. and never looked back.. 100% Stability.. Best Battery Life... And 50+ Killer "FREE" Themes To Boot.. ( Not Bad Xiaomi ) It's just 2 Generations Old.. and the landscape has changed dramatically since the Note 5's Hay Day..:victory:
xell75 said:
I don't think Apple is any better, their all american companies.
You call this device old dude? -,- I normally use a phone at least 2 years or more before I even think of changing and this device is barely 1 year old almost only. I bought my RN5 just 3 months ago for almost 200 Bucks.. lol Cause I don't like the RN6 or 7, Notch looks horrible and Apple Stuff is not allowed to even get into my room. I love Android devices and I'm proud of it. Btw. .
P.S. When you love and adore Apple so much, please kindly let us in peace and leave this forum lol XDA is not for spreading Apple love.
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You're Entitled To Your Opion..
And... You JUST BOUGHT your device.. So, it seems new to "YOU" I get that... enjoy it!
Understand Something..
I Don't "Adore Apple"
They Simply Have Superior Control overall by controlling the Hardware & the Software..
Any System In Cyberspace Can Be Hacked.. SSL's get cracked all the time..
But.. Android is CHAOS... With Fragmentation EVERYWHERE
Anyone's Hand Can Dip In The Pie... And That's Why There Are So Many Germs In Android. :victory:
rocker00 said:
After using Whatsapp and FB and bla bla and still looking for privacy
And know he's saying he will be in the safe side by using the iOS
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Your English Leaves A LOT To Be Desired..
And... What Gave You The Impression I Use Whatsapp & Facebook... Or Any Other "Social Media" Outlet?? That There Is Funny! :victory:
Rush-er said:
looool
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/themes/list-favorite-applications-oneplus-5t-t3739134
i like how you now are switching to apple that basically lock you on your crappy phone without any chance to change even your icon pack sorry but this is bs for me
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Good Thing You're Not Switching Huh? :victory:
alexmason90 said:
As long as you are online you won't be safe and private buddy.. don't delude yourself, ios, Android, Windows, linux doesn't matter.. in my opinion everything is comprised, I mean cmon,
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Uh...... Ok.
Because.... "YOUR OPINION" Is Of Course.. *The Final Word* :victory:
rocker00 said:
i swear the main purpose of this topic to sell his device and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!
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Hmmmm....
Let's see...
A Device That is now 2 Generations Old..... That's Worth $100.00 USD... And "He" who *THINKS HE WILL BE SAFE* and is about to drop $1,000.00 USD on his next device.. ( Thanks To Hard Work And Saving ) needs to plead with the community to purchase a 2017 phone...
Yeah.... Poor Me. :victory:

alexmason90 said:
As long as you are online you won't be safe and private buddy.. don't delude yourself, ios, Android, Windows, linux doesn't matter.. in my opinion everything is comprised, I mean cmon, Tor was made by the CIA. Even if the software is securez let's say you have a super autistic Linux distro and some Tor variant and vpn, you can stilk be f*cked by the hardware backdoors installed there since the manufacturing process
1984 is our reality, because we choose it to be like that for comfort and apathy
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Sorry for the off topic post but...
Kravchenko, Dragovich, Steiner... THESE MEN MUST DIE!
also,
do you have anything the confirms the bold part? AFAIK, tor was made by US Navy, that doesn't mean its not a secure protocol. (which you seem to be implying, by saying thar it's made by CIA)

Don't worry, i can feel your temp while you're typing, instead of giving just one simple clear answer regarding any post here, you're just talk about my English :laugh: and since the temp was that high you even failed to quote the full post, you divided it and just focused on the part which made your temp is high like that (i swear the main purpose of this topic to sell his device and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!)....pitiful!
See dude...or MR rich man, this's XDA, nothing for Apple, we don't need these topics here, and XDA isn't for selling as one of the rules here is:
7. Do not sell or trade on the forums.
If you wish to advertise a product, simply contact us. We can provide ads but you are not permitted to just post it in the forums. If you do, it will be removed and you're likely to receive a ban.
The buying, selling, trading and / or exchanging of any item is now prohibited on XDA, in any forum or via Private Messages.
If you want to sell your device there's no need for this propaganda, a new thread and security major....selling a device is much easier than that
So, thread against the rules, and the contains can easily tells that you don't know anything regarding what's going around you...privacy? :laugh:
Just for reminding:
RaiderWill said:
This is my year to upgrade from the XRN5... ($100.00) if anyone wants it (P.S. me) and I think I may have to switch camps ( Ugh! ) for the security alone.
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RaiderWill said:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.
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RaiderWill said:
A Device That is now 2 Generations Old..... That's Worth $100.00 USD... And "He" who *THINKS HE WILL BE SAFE* and is about to drop $1,000.00 USD on his next device.. ( Thanks To Hard Work And Saving ) needs to plead with the community to purchase a 2017 phone...
Yeah.... Poor Me. :victory:
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.

I'm Sorry What? Are You Trying To Say ???
rocker00 said:
Don't worry, i can feel your temp while you're typing, instead of giving just one simple clear answer regarding any post here, you're just talk about my English :laugh: and since the temp was that high just focused on the part which made your temp is high like that (i swear the main purpose of this topic to sell his device and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!)....pitiful!
See dude...or MR rich man, this's XDA
If you wish to advertise a product, simply contact us. We can provide ads but you are not permitted to just post it in the forums. If you do, it will be removed and you're likely to receive a ban.
The buying, selling, trading and / or exchanging of any item is now prohibited on XDA, in any forum or via Private Messages.
If you want to sell your device there's no need for this propaganda,
So, can easily tells that you don't know anything regarding what's going around you...privacy? :laugh:
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I Eh... Don't Speak This Form Of English..
So... As A "Rich Man That Needs To Sell His Device.. ( Huh?? )" I'll Just Leave This Comment Alone. :victory:
Anyway Back On Topic..
Just The Facts... This Article Pretty Much Sums It Up Succinctly:
Here’s a look at the Android operating system.
Android operating system
Popularity: The Android operating system is hugely popular. This means that developers are constantly building new apps designed to run on the system. That’s good for users ... mostly. The problem comes when hackers create apps designed to infect your mobile devices. There is an app review process for Google Play. Unfortunately, the process is far less stringent than what developers face when adding apps to Apple’s App Store. It's easier, then, for malicious apps to sneak onto the Google Play store and easier for users to accidentally install one. One of the main issues is that the end user can go into a Android device and enable the installation of software from Unknown Sources. This means that you can install software on the Android device that does not come from the Google PlayStore. The software — or APK, as it’s called — can be downloaded and installed from a website bypassing the Google PlayStore review.
Open source: Android owners can modify the source code of their Android devices. This appeals to users who want the flexibility to change the way their mobile devices run. But it can also make Android devices vulnerable to attacks. When altering their device’s source code, users could accidentally leave an opening for cybercriminals.
Fragmented: Unlike the iOS operating system that only runs on Apple-branded products, the Android operating system runs on mobile devices manufactured by a host of companies. Some companies might provide hardware that is more secure than others. Moreover, the manufacturer of the device can use a custom ROM or base operating system that has software installed that cannot be easily removed or analyzed for malicious intent.
Apple’s iOS
Here’s a look at the Apple’s iOS.
More stringent controls: It’s more difficult for developers to get apps into the App Store. That’s because the review process is more stringent. Because of this, it’s less likely for a malicious app to sneak into Apple’s store.
Less flexibility: Apple doesn’t allow the owners of its devices to modify its iOS operating system or custom ROMs to be loaded on their devices. That makes the system more secure since Apple controls the complete experience. This doesn’t stop some owners from “jailbreaking” their Apple mobile devices, modifying their source code. Jailbreaking opens new capabilities on the devices — such as changing digital-assistant Siri’s voice, for instance. Be careful if you do this: Apple won’t provide support to such devices.
A less tempting target: Because the iOS operating system powers fewer mobile devices, hackers don’t target the system as often. This makes sense: Hackers and cybercriminals can ensure more victims if they focus more of their attacks on the more popular Android operating system.
Does Any Of This Matter? That's For A Particular Android User To Decide..
My job is to continue to enlighten the community.. and help those that may not be as well informed as others..
This Thread Does Just That.
Sorry if the thoght of Android being 2nd fiddle to Apple ... or the thought of the 5 Pro not being a current event device anymore stings so much to so many.. to attack this thread that was simply created in an attempt to enlighten and solicit discussion ..
It NEVER was an "Apple vs Android" cage match..
Moving On..... :victory:

RaiderWill said:
I Eh... Don't Speak This Form Of English..
So... As A "Rich Man That Needs To Sell His Device.. ( Huh?? )" I'll Just Leave This Comment Alone. :victory:
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Something isn't right at all!
Are you sure that you are a normal person?
Do you really think that you're smarter than anyone here by dividing and cutting the posts, like we are all blind!
The rich man were and still talking about Apple and he will pay 1000$ and can't sell his device with 100$, and now in his signature the RN7 is the real deal!!!!
What's going on here? Maybe there's a secret model only for your country calls RN7 iOS Zimbabwe edition?
The rich man who don't sell his device and at the same time he's trying to sell his device here and after he was about to pay 1000$ now he don't even have about 60_70$ to buy the secret model of the RN7 which is the real real upgrade from the RN5?
Since you looks retarded and clearly something isn't right this will be my last post here.
One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision.Bertrand Russell.
Have you ever seen such a beautiful and real quote like that? i think this is the best quote which can describes you and this situation in general

RaiderWill said:
I Eh... Don't Speak This Form Of English..
So... As A "Rich Man That Needs To Sell His Device.. ( Huh?? )" I'll Just Leave This Comment Alone. :victory:
Anyway Back On Topic..
Just The Facts... This Article Pretty Much Sums It Up Succinctly:
Here’s a look at the Android operating system.
Android operating system
Popularity: The Android operating system is hugely popular. This means that developers are constantly building new apps designed to run on the system. That’s good for users ... mostly. The problem comes when hackers create apps designed to infect your mobile devices. There is an app review process for Google Play. Unfortunately, the process is far less stringent than what developers face when adding apps to Apple’s App Store. It's easier, then, for malicious apps to sneak onto the Google Play store and easier for users to accidentally install one. One of the main issues is that the end user can go into a Android device and enable the installation of software from Unknown Sources. This means that you can install software on the Android device that does not come from the Google PlayStore. The software — or APK, as it’s called — can be downloaded and installed from a website bypassing the Google PlayStore review.
Open source: Android owners can modify the source code of their Android devices. This appeals to users who want the flexibility to change the way their mobile devices run. But it can also make Android devices vulnerable to attacks. When altering their device’s source code, users could accidentally leave an opening for cybercriminals.
Fragmented: Unlike the iOS operating system that only runs on Apple-branded products, the Android operating system runs on mobile devices manufactured by a host of companies. Some companies might provide hardware that is more secure than others. Moreover, the manufacturer of the device can use a custom ROM or base operating system that has software installed that cannot be easily removed or analyzed for malicious intent.
Apple’s iOS
Here’s a look at the Apple’s iOS.
More stringent controls: It’s more difficult for developers to get apps into the App Store. That’s because the review process is more stringent. Because of this, it’s less likely for a malicious app to sneak into Apple’s store.
Less flexibility: Apple doesn’t allow the owners of its devices to modify its iOS operating system or custom ROMs to be loaded on their devices. That makes the system more secure since Apple controls the complete experience. This doesn’t stop some owners from “jailbreaking” their Apple mobile devices, modifying their source code. Jailbreaking opens new capabilities on the devices — such as changing digital-assistant Siri’s voice, for instance. Be careful if you do this: Apple won’t provide support to such devices.
A less tempting target: Because the iOS operating system powers fewer mobile devices, hackers don’t target the system as often. This makes sense: Hackers and cybercriminals can ensure more victims if they focus more of their attacks on the more popular Android operating system.
Does Any Of This Matter? That's For A Particular Android User To Decide..
My job is to continue to enlighten the community.. and help those that may not be as well informed as others..
This Thread Does Just That.
Sorry if the thoght of Android being 2nd fiddle to Apple ... or the thought of the 5 Pro not being a current event device anymore stings so much to so many.. to attack this thread that was simply created in an attempt to enlighten and solicit discussion ..
It NEVER was an "Apple vs Android" cage match..
Moving On..... :victory:
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I love to use MicroSD Cards and using normal Headphones without adapter and no bluetooth thrash and copying files on my phone without extra bloat software on my PC. All things that are only possible with Android. I don't like super strict systems.

BTW that CNET piece was paid for by Apple

freedom means you can do anything with your stuff :laugh: