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Which kernel for my Nexus S? suggestions...

I have been looking on the forums at several operating systems for the Nexus "s" and i really dont know which one is really good with battery and with a smooth snap performance, there's just so many to choose from and its confusing to me as im a new user to android and learning it all.
anyone have suggestion for a modern good working kernal which isnt in test form, thats great with battery and has snap smooth performance, iv seen good ones on the forum, but as i said im new and not certain and rather experienced user opinions.
Thank you.
oh, and i saw a thread, a user said he lost only 3% of battery on idle throughout the night using a certain operating system, but i cant remember the thread..

dinjc said:
I have been looking on the forums at several operating systems for the Nexus "s" and i really dont know which one is really good with battery and with a smooth snap performance, there's just so many to choose from and its confusing to me as im a new user to android and learning it all.
anyone have suggestion for a modern good working kernal which isnt in test form, thats great with battery and has snap smooth performance, iv seen good ones on the forum, but as i said im new and not certain and rather experienced user opinions.
Thank you.
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I would go with the ICUP Kernel Edition (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1401455)
Good battery life and smooth performance.

Your best course of action is to not create a thread asking for people to do things for you.
Go sort the Android Development forum by Stats and find the most popular kernel. Read every word of the OP and however much you possibly can of the thread itself. It might take a day or two just to properly educate yourself and get some background. Flash the kernel, use it for several days, and then and only then make an assessment of battery life and performance. After you have done this, go back to the kernel's thread and make a post documenting your experience and what did and did not work for you.
You've registered this month, you have 5 posts, and you've created 2 threads that are completely pointless. Try to contribute something. What I outlined above is possible for anyone no matter what their knowledge level.

watch this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntDDKv-lS6IdFZ6VDRQV0cxRXFVT2dKYm94bWJyQ0E#gid=0

crachel said:
Your best course of action is to not create a thread asking for people to do things for you.
Go sort the Android Development forum by Stats and find the most popular kernel. Read every word of the OP and however much you possibly can of the thread itself. It might take a day or two just to properly educate yourself and get some background. Flash the kernel, use it for several days, and then and only then make an assessment of battery life and performance. After you have done this, go back to the kernel's thread and make a post documenting your experience and what did and did not work for you.
You've registered this month, you have 5 posts, and you've created 2 threads that are completely pointless. Try to contribute something. What I outlined above is possible for anyone no matter what their knowledge level.
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i understand what you said, but I'm extremely new to the whole android saga, thus why im asking around, and have been researching, i just thought ill ask the forum for some advice. sorry.

Jelly Bean (JB) for the Sensation - OTA/Information/Update/ETAs/etc

To somewhat control the the masses of Jelly bean threads that are currently arising, I made this thread to collect all talk about it.
Anything related to JB belongs in this thread. We don't want hundreds of threads with the same information, so please use this thread instead.
Yes I know I fooled you with the title, but I somehow need to get your attention
Any other JB threads will be closed to keep this froum clean.
Thanks

Wait HTC ONE X thread on Sensation forum?

When wil come
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People are too much excited for this update personally I don't think it worth the hype but we'll see...
Sent From My Sexy Sensation.

akbisw said:
Wait HTC ONE X thread on Sensation forum?
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sowmian said:
When wil come
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Thanks for a good laugh, I needed one right now.

Diamondback said:
To somewhat control the the masses of Jelly bean threads that are currently arising, I made this thread to collect all talk about it.
Anything related to JB belongs in this thread. We don't want hundreds of threads with the same information, so please use this thread instead.
Yes I know I fooled you with the title, but I somehow need to get your attention
Any other JB threads will be closed to keep this froum clean.
Thanks
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lol you fooled your self xD ( Jk ) the HTC one X have JB up and running!!!

It would be nice if you can somehow merge it with this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736469&page=12
there are some good information on that thread...

Can someone working on this upload a logcat and I'll help, unfortunatly I can obtain logcat myself because my sensation is in for repair :/

I'm assuming HOX is a nickname for Sensation? :silly:

Smart guy...

Send me something and I'll get you your logcat

sowmian said:
When wil come
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Dont ask for ETA, the more you ask, the less I am inclined to help port this = the longer it will take because of fewer people, so do everyone a favor and dont ask
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Ace42 said:
I'm assuming HOX is a nickname for Sensation? :silly:
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HTC One X

Ace42 said:
I'm assuming HOX is a nickname for Sensation? :silly:
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no HOX = HTC one X

Jonny said:
Dont ask for ETA, the more you ask, the less I am inclined to help port this = the longer it will take because of fewer people, so do everyone a favor and dont ask
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What if he asked for an official release date rather than a port? Why go @ him like that without any further information?
I don't know about other people, but I personally appreciate your work and you taking your time to help with the porting process, because I'm really eager to try the new features, but if you're going to go at everyone seeking some knowledge, I just don't think it's the place... Stop making us feel guilty or think twice before asking any questions.
That's definitely not the meaning of the word 'community'.
Plus, the sensation forum itself is not that 'live' lately, so such threads/questions kinda spice things up a lil' bit.
Anyways, If it's that irritating and 'annoying', why not write down all the information currently known about the process and clearing up some stuff for people who have no idea? Wouldn't that just be easier to keep track of the progress AND avoid less people having to ask? I wouldn't even mind doing it myself, but as you can see, this is the only post allowed on the subject.
Would you please explain me why it's that so... un-motivating? annoying? irritating?
People asking such questions will be everywhere, anywhere, anytime, and no one can change that. I don't have a problem with such people, because sometimes they're the reason I'm able to get my questions answered.
Also, the forum won't be as it is right now, without people asking and expressing excitement over new versions/updates.
It will most likely become a dev-only forum, which won't be much fun, will it? I mean, won't you just port stuff for other devs that can do it themselves? Meh...
Anyways, I'm sure he didn't mean to intentionally affect you or anyones else progress. So some sympathy and patience with people. Not all people know what you do, and that's totally legitimate.
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OP/Mod, If you're going to allow only one thread about the subject at least fill it with some information.
Since people are not allowed to ask elsewhere, this should be the ideal place for them to get informed about the porting process and the new update.
You can't forbid people to ask (really basic) certain questions, yet not fill them with information. People come here, first and foremost for information, not to be impressed by the esthetics of the forum.
You may want to merge all of the information and links out there in one post, for both devs and users.
As I said before, I wouldn't mind doing it myself, but I can't... apparently... Just sayin'
P.S, Nothing personal, just expressing my feelings, so no offence

HOX is nickname for (H)TC (O)ne (X)
Sent from 3000 years in the future from my extremely outdated, but still extremely awesome HTC Sensation Z710e

@biasaf as a general rule most people working on ports and other complex stuff dont like feeling pressured to release or fix. After all we all have personal lives and we do this for a hobby, a hobby should be something you do for fun, not because you feel pressured to do so. Also because of the nature of what porters are trying to do, giving ETA is not good because we dont know ourselves and it just adds more pressure. if the dude was asking for ETA of official release, well tbh that is a pretty stupid thing to ask because htc dont generally give eta either - with exception to ics expected rollout timetable.
If you follow the thread in the dev section you will already know that one guy has a rom which gets past splash screen and just loops on logcat errors after that. In any case if you watch the dev thread you will know the latest progress.
the point I really want to stress though is twofold, 1) we do this for free, 2) we do this in our free time as a hobby so please the least people can do is be patient, when its done its done, until then its not done and hassling any devs working on it just annoys people

Jonny,
I get where this is coming from, and yes I do follow the other threads.
I'm pretty informed though it's just normal for people to get curious.
I think what you're saying is right and a dev, as a contributor, should receive his respect and his ideal work environment and conditions. (does that make sense?)
I don't see how this might be pressuring, because as you said, you do it as a hubby and you don't really have to do it for anyone, yet you're still doing it for whatever reason you have.
On the other hand, that's exactly why people asking for ETAs shouldn't be a bother. When it's done, it's done. Just my 2 cents...
Anyways, I'm really not in the place to judge anyone, especially not a dev (since I haven't been in that position really), so sorry for my previous comments.
P.S., I know it's not the right place to ask, but it's summer and I have LOADS and LOADS of free time, so I thought I'd help myself and try to learn some android programming (and maybe help the community... somewhen). Do you know any good place to start? Do I need to learn any specific programming language?
I know there are loads of sources on Google, but I don't know what's trusted and what's not...
Thank you!

biasaf said:
P.S., I know it's not the right place to ask, but it's summer and I have LOADS and LOADS of free time, so I thought I'd help myself and try to learn some android programming (and maybe help the community... somewhen). Do you know any good place to start? Do I need to learn any specific programming language?
I know there are loads of sources on Google, but I don't know what's trusted and what's not...
Thank you!
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There are a few different views on how to go about it. I reckon its todo with the sort of person you are, eg. if you are the type of person that throws yourself at something and gets stuck in straight away you would be most comfortable going straight in an learning basic java and C++
On the other hand if you like to ease yourself into things it would be better to get to grips with a really easy programming langauge with syntax not too dissimilar to more complex langauges. I was lucky and got into mobile modding at 14 with flash actionscript themes for older samsung phones (tocco lite, monte, corby etc) which is a really easy way to start because you can run the themes on pc and test what changes to code do without running them on the phone using flash player and the code is really easy to understand and can gently ease your way into the coding world.
For internet resources, there are a lot of flash actionscript tutorials on the DarkforestGroup sites (DFG StarMods in particular as that is completly dedicated to flash ui based phones) and also there are lots of Java and C++ tutorials online for free but if you want to be sure they are tried and tested then probably the best way would be to buy a book of amazon or somthing like that.
One warning is that it does take a lot of time and you have to be prepared to read lots whichever way you choose! Good luck!
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The last post was geared mainly towards app/kernel/AOSP/CM/AOKP development but if you want to be a ROM developer you firstly need some sort of kitchen like dsixda's kitchen and cygwin to enable the kitchen to work under windows. the kitchen will let you carry out basic tasks then I would recommend getting a comarison software like beyond compare or similar and compare your ROM with others then see if you can build on those improvements like perhaps editing values in init.d scripts or maybe some smali hacking to enable hidden features/create new features. Or if your good with photoshop or similar you could change the way icons look and create a whole new unique look to the ROM like steve0007 elegancia ROM. then you can add stuff like beats mods, speed tweaks, xloud, bravia, options to debloat and remove some btc junk from the ROM to create an entirely customized ROM.
Anyway this is all massively off topic and its late and Ive got some attemps at porting to do before I go to sleep

biasaf said:
Jonny,
I get where this is coming from, and yes I do follow the other threads.
I'm pretty informed though it's just normal for people to get curious.
I think what you're saying is right and a dev, as a contributor, should receive his respect and his ideal work environment and conditions. (does that make sense?)
I don't see how this might be pressuring, because as you said, you do it as a hubby and you don't really have to do it for anyone, yet you're still doing it for whatever reason you have.
On the other hand, that's exactly why people asking for ETAs shouldn't be a bother. When it's done, it's done. Just my 2 cents...
Anyways, I'm really not in the place to judge anyone, especially not a dev (since I haven't been in that position really), so sorry for my previous comments.
P.S., I know it's not the right place to ask, but it's summer and I have LOADS and LOADS of free time, so I thought I'd help myself and try to learn some android programming (and maybe help the community... somewhen). Do you know any good place to start? Do I need to learn any specific programming language?
I know there are loads of sources on Google, but I don't know what's trusted and what's not...
Thank you!
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Think i might join you been dying to give back to the community and now i have the time to do that

To bring this back on topic, has anyone else noticed that the OOM groupings are suddenly back in the ramdisk (init.rc to be precise)? Seems strange for google to u-turn on this when they moved the OOM groupings to services.jar for ICS (though if they're anything like the UK government....)

[Q] Tweaks to help Infinity performance?

I'm just wondering if anyone has any other useful tips on improving the performance of the TFI?
I've already done the tweaks in the "[HOW-TO] Some tweaks to sweeten your life with the Infinity a little" which did help somewhat, but this thing is still a bit sluggish.

Absolutely. We keep all the best information hidden out of reach of a simple search. The real key is to nest it deeply beneath tons of stupid questions like this one.
Seriously. This post is exactly why threads with important/pertinent information are made sticky.

Thanks for the helpful reply (sarcasm).
I've looked through just about every thread on this forum in regards to this. I referenced the sticky thread that seemed to have most of the best tweaks already listed.
Sorry for thinking someone might have some insight on why when the TFI in particular performs so poorly even compared to the Prime (I had one of those also).
I've been on this forum for 3 years and to be perfectly honest your answer is the reason I don't bother posting on most forums. I went out of my way to keep it in the Q&A section (because it is a question and I didn't want to post in a section where it would just clutter things up).
MODS, please close as you see fit. I'd guess (by the lack of productive posts) that there isn't anything out there that I haven't already found and being flamed serves no real purpose.

I will take a stab at a useful suggestion rather than bashing you for your innocent question.
The prime has had some performance gains by mounting the /data to /sd:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1803252
May be something to try on the tf700.. hope that was more helpful than the snarky bashing that many posters here feel is warranted when anyone asks a question. We need to be nicer around here and if there is nothing useful for you to add to a thread... then don't post, just pm a moderator if you think the thread is not relevant.

350zxtrm said:
Thanks for the helpful reply (sarcasm).
I've looked through just about every thread on this forum in regards to this. I referenced the sticky thread that seemed to have most of the best tweaks already listed.
Sorry for thinking someone might have some insight on why when the TFI in particular performs so poorly even compared to the Prime (I had one of those also).
I've been on this forum for 3 years and to be perfectly honest your answer is the reason I don't bother posting on most forums. I went out of my way to keep it in the Q&A section (because it is a question and I didn't want to post in a section where it would just clutter things up).
MODS, please close as you see fit. I'd guess (by the lack of productive posts) that there isn't anything out there that I haven't already found and being flamed serves no real purpose.
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My honest answer is that the best performance improvement will come from root/unlock/TWRP recovery and flashing Zeus Rom v4.0, now and possibly AOSP Jelly Bean or CM10 when they are ready to flash. I always find more good performance comes from custom software than from stock.

@ Jordanmw - Thanks for the tip, I'll take a look later tonight when I get home from work.
@okantomi - I think you are probably right. I unlocked the Prime shortly after getting it and just basically figured no biggie. The only reason I haven't done it with the Infinity is because it performed so poorly out of the box that my gut reaction was that it was going to have to go back... I'll probably end up doing it though.
I do seem to be making some headway on the issue. I went through and tested some slightly modified build.prop tweaks (modified compared to the tweak thread I referenced in the OP). Added a few others and started to play around with getting init.d working so I can run some other scripts during startup rather than having multiple "tweaking" programs running. Ultimately I'll probably just end up unlocking and using one of the custom roms, but in the meantime I figured it wouldn't hurt to spend a little time learning some new tricks.
Appreciate the helpful feedback guys. Also, Once I get to where I feel the Infinity is performing the way I want, I'll post what I did (giving all credit to those who's work I benefited from of course).

350zxtrm said:
@ Jordanmw - Thanks for the tip, I'll take a look later tonight when I get home from work.
@okantomi - I think you are probably right. I unlocked the Prime shortly after getting it and just basically figured no biggie. The only reason I haven't done it with the Infinity is because it performed so poorly out of the box that my gut reaction was that it was going to have to go back... I'll probably end up doing it though.
I do seem to be making some headway on the issue. I went through and tested some slightly modified build.prop tweaks (modified compared to the tweak thread I referenced in the OP). Added a few others and started to play around with getting init.d working so I can run some other scripts during startup rather than having multiple "tweaking" programs running. Ultimately I'll probably just end up unlocking and using one of the custom roms, but in the meantime I figured it wouldn't hurt to spend a little time learning some new tricks.
Appreciate the helpful feedback guys. Also, Once I get to where I feel the Infinity is performing the way I want, I'll post what I did (giving all credit to those who's work I benefited from of course).
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That would be awesome. I've just flashed the Team Baked Black Beans Infinity Jelly Bean ROM and it's really nice. Will need to do some tweaks but init.d support is build in so it should be pretty easy.

Help, please. Searched threads and couldnt find solution.

I have had the s3 since the release date a few months back and am quite satisfied so far. Ive been using android since the G1. Though the new ICS/JB builds are nice, I still like the feel of the old build.
Is it possible to revert back to the Android 1.5 Cupcake on my GS3? If so, how would I go about doing so....?*
Im rooted, unlocked bootloader, stock Rom, currently running ICS 4.0.4

Why you post here when you already posted this in the general? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35719549
Doesn't even belong here in the first place this a question belongs in q&a
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Well sir, according to Merriam-Webster "General" means involving, relating to, or applicable to every member of a class, kind, or group. Which in this case, my question would fit the "general" guidlines.
According to Merriam-Webster "Development" is defined by the act or process of*developing*growth; progress. In this case, I would like to my phone to progress from the regression it has taken with these newer android builds.
We could argue all day and say what goes where and why, but this was my logic behind my reasoning to post in these sections.
I understand that the S3 was built on ICS, but dont see why its not able to run older versions of firmware like 1.5 cupcake. My analogy is like the PlayStation 3. It has capabilities to play ps2 and ps games. And brand new labtops have capabilities of running windows 95... In theory, cupcake should work on this phone.
What is preventing me from doing this? If someone could use a good analogy, I might be able to comprehend this situation from a different point of view.

Nice diss up there but first off when the ps3 and windows run older games, they run the latest OS and emulate the older core OS to run them. Therefore, you'd have to run ICS and emulate cupcake, unless of course someone will port it which I honestly can never see happening. The work it would take would not be worth the finished product
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Also, just an FYI, development is where people post ROMs
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This is about as close as you're going to get. The chances of it working are probably slim to nill, but thats why we have Odin!
http://www.androidcentral.com/how-manually-install-android-15-cupcake-us-version

RealMuphukkinG said:
Well sir, according to Merriam-Webster "General" means involving, relating to, or applicable to every member of a class, kind, or group. Which in this case, my question would fit the "general" guidlines.
According to Merriam-Webster "Development" is defined by the act or process of*developing*growth; progress. In this case, I would like to my phone to progress from the regression it has taken with these newer android builds.
We could argue all day and say what goes where and why, but this was my logic behind my reasoning to post in these sections.
I understand that the S3 was built on ICS, but dont see why its not able to run older versions of firmware like 1.5 cupcake. My analogy is like the PlayStation 3. It has capabilities to play ps2 and ps games. And brand new labtops have capabilities of running windows 95... In theory, cupcake should work on this phone.
What is preventing me from doing this? If someone could use a good analogy, I might be able to comprehend this situation from a different point of view.
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To start off there are a ton of things that would need to be ported to work with cupcake. Could you load in on your phone? Possibly, but you would not have a full function phone (ie. data, sms, wifi, and possibly camera).
The easier route would be to request a Cupcake theme for ICS, which might already exist for custom launchers like ADW and GoLauncher.

please post in the correct forum.
try a theme or buy an older phone.

ddurandSGS3 said:
please post in the correct forum.
try a theme or buy an older phone.
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Seems like a dev question to me

Y'all be postn' in a troll thread
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RealMuphukkinG said:
I have had the s3 since the release date a few months back and am quite satisfied so far. Ive been using android since the G1. Though the new ICS/JB builds are nice, I still like the feel of the old build.
Is it possible to revert back to the Android 1.5 Cupcake on my GS3? If so, how would I go about doing so....?*
Im rooted, unlocked bootloader, stock Rom, currently running ICS 4.0.4
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This should be in q and a but unless you do this port yourself it is not gonna happen. Cupcake was not meant to run on these kind of high end phones. It sounds like you just want the look and feel anyway so you should just look for themes. Android has progressed a lot since then and I can't imagine why you would want that but each to their own. Theming is the closest you're gonna get unless you do it yourself
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RealMuphukkinG said:
Well sir, according to Merriam-Webster "General" means involving, relating to, or applicable to every member of a class, kind, or group. Which in this case, my question would fit the "general" guidlines.
According to Merriam-Webster "Development" is defined by the act or process of*developing*growth; progress. In this case, I would like to my phone to progress from the regression it has taken with these newer android builds.
We could argue all day and say what goes where and why, but this was my logic behind my reasoning to post in these sections.
I understand that the S3 was built on ICS, but dont see why its not able to run older versions of firmware like 1.5 cupcake. My analogy is like the PlayStation 3. It has capabilities to play ps2 and ps games. And brand new labtops have capabilities of running windows 95... In theory, cupcake should work on this phone.
What is preventing me from doing this? If someone could use a good analogy, I might be able to comprehend this situation from a different point of view.
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Thanks for being a smartass and looking in the Merriam Webster for definitions. Really dude? Development is for RELEASES only, regardless of what the Dictionary says. And it would be pretty close to impossible to put a 3 yr old software on a phone that was made to have a locked bootloader. If you have nostalgia just go install a theme and a very old version of ADW.
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RealMuphukkinG said:
Well sir, according to Merriam-Webster "General" means involving, relating to, or applicable to every member of a class, kind, or group. Which in this case, my question would fit the "general" guidlines.
According to Merriam-Webster "Development" is defined by the act or process of*developing*growth; progress. In this case, I would like to my phone to progress from the regression it has taken with these newer android builds.
We could argue all day and say what goes where and why, but this was my logic behind my reasoning to post in these sections.
I understand that the S3 was built on ICS, but dont see why its not able to run older versions of firmware like 1.5 cupcake. My analogy is like the PlayStation 3. It has capabilities to play ps2 and ps games. And brand new labtops have capabilities of running windows 95... In theory, cupcake should work on this phone.
What is preventing me from doing this? If someone could use a good analogy, I might be able to comprehend this situation from a different point of view.
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Yeah but really this isn't the dictionary thus a a developing website it has it's guidelines to follow what goes where, I don't remember seeing that whatever the dictionary says follows on here maybe I should go look something up for you? Come on dude, just follow what xda says, unless you never cared to read them, instead of trying to flame me with stupid dictionary words.
PS3 was given the feature of backwards compability, it wasn't just something it could do out of the ordinary because not all types of PS3 do it. Your just go with fallacies that this this therefore this? I mean you gotta see not everything goes backwards.
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I never really understood why people always insisted on telling the op to post in the right section.
Once posted, the op can do nothing to move it.
Don't waste you time and troll , hit the report button and the mod will explain it very well in their own way.
Reported thread.

bmatty14 said:
Seems like a dev question to me
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There's is no such thing as a dev question.. keep the questions out of the Damn development section!
Via my Google Galaxy S3 running magic beans
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jmichaels1982 said:
I never really understood why people always insisted on telling the op to post in the right section.
Once posted, the op can do nothing to move it.
Don't waste you time and troll , hit the report button and the mod will explain it very well in their own way.
Reported thread.
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In the hopes to stop repeat offences
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Thread Closed:
Duplicate of his other thread. Please refer to it-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35719549
Also development is for development only, thanks for your cooperation.
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Benefits of Franco Kernel on Stock?

Are there performance benefits to be gained by using Franco Kernel (or Trinity Kernel) on stock 4.4.2, but not using any software to tweak things?
This is not a thread about which is better, I'm simply wondering if you necessarily must tweak things in order to take advantage of the kernel, or if it can provide performance benefits automatically.

Tweak to take full advantage but there is still advantage to be had by not tweaking, though why anyone would stop there is beyond me
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.psd said:
Are there performance benefits to be gained by using Franco Kernel (or Trinity Kernel) on stock 4.4.2, but not using any software to tweak things?
This is not a thread about which is better, I'm simply wondering if you necessarily must tweak things in order to take advantage of the kernel, or if it can provide performance benefits automatically.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2532422
^^ look around in this thread.

rootSU said:
Tweak to take full advantage but there is still advantage to be had by not tweaking, though why anyone would stop there is beyond me
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Any examples of the benefits? I've been hacking my Android phones for a few years, and I want to go with a mostly stock experience for a while — to me that means not fiddling around with any settings. But simply flashing a kernel is basically one quick step that I don't need to manage, it's something I can do in about 1 minute with no research, and never think about again. So if it offers performance gains (particularly batter life) without needing to tweak things, then that's really useful to me.

Never flash a kernel without research. If you don't understand the benefits of something and wont research then don't do it. We wont spoon feed you
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rootSU said:
Never flash a kernel without research. If you don't understand the benefits of something and wont research then don't do it. We wont spoon feed you
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Wow really? You're being a typical XDA forums douchebag. You forgot that part of the research process is finding answers, and a key tool in the answer-finding process is the question-asking process. You seem to have forgotten that you're in THE Q&A FORUM. If you're not interested in answering the question, then go away.
And do yourself a favor so you don't look like a jerk in the future: don't assume that people aren't also doing the reading portion of research, just because they're also taking advantage of the Q&A portion.

Hi,
All the kernels are tweaked to work out of the box better than stock (battery life and "performance" normally), at least they offer a good balance. Flash and forgot. But it's right that you can find some more fine settings that suits more your needs...
Try one or other and see for a few days with the default settings...
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viking37 said:
Hi,
All the kernels are tweaked to work out of the box better than stock (battery life and "performance"), at least they offer a good balance. Flash and forgot. But it's right that you can find some mor fine settings that suits more your needs...
Try one or other and see for a few days...
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Thank you. Last question: know whether I need to have root in order for the passive benefits to manifest?

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Wow really? You're being a typical XDA forums douchebag. You forgot that part of the research process is finding answers, and a key tool in the answer-finding process is the question-asking process. You seem to have forgotten that you're in THE Q&A FORUM. If you're not interested in answering the question, then go away.
And do yourself a favor so you don't look like a jerk in the future: don't assume that people aren't also doing the reading portion of research, just because they're also taking advantage of the Q&A portion.
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You're the one who said no research. I just repeated you.
It also says in the rules to use search before asking questions. Search does the research portion as the answers already exist. Im not being a jerk. You said
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it's something I can do in about 1 minute with no research
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Im merely warning you that flashing things without doing research (as you said) is dangerous.
Dont be a hypocrite. Take responsibility for what you say. You're being a typical xda "wont help myself, you help me"
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rootSU said:
You're the one who said no research.
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What I said was, flashing a kernel is something I can do with no research. I did the research years ago and haven't forgotten how to flash a kernel since then.
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Im merely warning you that flashing things without doing research (as you said) is dangerous.
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That's fine. I've been hacking my phones since 2010 and I haven't had a problem yet. I was simply asking whether I need to manually tweak things in order to gain performance benefits from a custom kernel. As you and someone else pointed out, the answer is no — great. My final question is whether I need other things in order to experience those passive gains (things like root, SuperSU, BusyBox, etc.), or if they will just occur automatically.

You would only really need root to tweak the existing settings of a kernel.
So to try and simplify what I mean .. stock kernel has settings x. Custom kernel has settings y. Custom kernel also allows tweaking of settings y to settings z, but these tweaks require scripts or apps that need root.... but settings y requires nothing outside the kernels. These are the kernel defaults. Only deviation from defaults requires root
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What I said was, flashing a kernel is something I can do with no research. I did the research years ago and haven't forgotten how to flash a kernel since then.
That's fine. I've been hacking my phones since 2010 and I haven't had a problem yet. I was simply asking whether I need to manually tweak things in order to gain performance benefits from a custom kernel. As you and someone else pointed out, the answer is no — great. My final question is whether I need other things in order to experience those passive gains (things like root, SuperSU, BusyBox, etc.), or if they will just occur automatically.
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You're kidding right, you want to flash a kernel and you have to ask about other things, like root?

This phone was born to be rooted, do it. Busybox and SuperSU Busybox will not help out with kernel tweaks, Superuser just grants root access for programs that are modifying important stuff. eg; greenify app makes it so that apps do not run in the background and waste your battery, it ask you for permission to allow it to do what it was intended to do. If you click on the supersu app you wil see a list of apps that you have granted "root access" too.

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Are there performance benefits to be gained by using Franco Kernel (or Trinity Kernel) on stock 4.4.2, but not using any software to tweak things?
This is not a thread about which is better, I'm simply wondering if you necessarily must tweak things in order to take advantage of the kernel, or if it can provide performance benefits automatically.
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The biggest benefit of using a custom kernal is the ability to tweak settings and parameters you don't have access to when running the stock kernel. Even if you don't change any of the kernel settings, most developers will claim their kernel offers a better balance between performance and energy efficiency out of the box. How perceptible the difference is, is certainly subjective.
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Thank you. Last question: know whether I need to have root in order for the passive benefits to manifest?
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You don't need to be rooted to flash a custom kernel, but you need root to change settings in the kernel using an app like FKU or Trickster.

Thanks everyone

damn i always thought u need root to flash kernels and stuff, if u flash and NOT have root, it seems unbenificary spellin i know lol

cobyman7035 said:
damn i always thought u need root to flash kernels and stuff, if u flash and NOT have root, it seems unbenificary spellin i know lol
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Lol, I've been in threads where recognized contributors didn't even know you could flash things without root. It seems to be a popular misunderstanding that you need root to mess with your phone, so don't feel embarrassed. I actually try to avoid root unless an app I use requires it, or obviously when custom ROMs include it by default.

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Lol, I've been in threads where recognized contributors didn't even know you could flash things without root. It seems to be a popular misunderstanding that you need root to mess with your phone, so don't feel embarrassed. I actually try to avoid root unless an app I use requires it, or obviously when custom ROMs include it by default.
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90% of why I root my phones is in order to have full access to the file system. I don't often have to go into the data/app or system/app folder (among others) or tweak the build.prop, but when I do, it's nice not to have any limitations in place.
EDIT: now I'm picturing the Dos Equis guy after that last sentence

Rather than overclocking, I think Franco is about improving battery life without sacrificing the qualitative performance that is achieved on stock.
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Wow really? You're being a typical XDA forums douchebag. You forgot that part of the research process is finding answers, and a key tool in the answer-finding process is the question-asking process. You seem to have forgotten that you're in THE Q&A FORUM. If you're not interested in answering the question, then go away.
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