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Rooting for n00bs!

This is NOT, and I repeat NOT a guide for rooting. It is a warning. Helpful advice if you will. It is here to deter you from making your life as well as those here who help others a nightmare. We are here to help those who want to help themselves. As mentioned in another thread, this forum is here to HELP people. This advice is here to help as helping also includes prevention. The advice below is for the sole purpose of preventing those who don't know what they're doing from bricking their devices prematurely.
If you don't like my advice or my opinion; that is your given right. Remember the forum rules and keep it impersonal, clean and respectful.
I am here to help people and if that includes encouraging members to learn first before they do harm to their device then so be it. If I can prevent even one person from ruining their phone before they learn how to use it then I accomplished something.
Note: Whosdaman; please feel free to move this to whatever section you feel this better fits in. I took a shot putting it here.
Disclaimer/Advice/Humble Opinion:
My advice (without trying to hurt anyone's feelings too much) is DON'T ROOT. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with everything (Linux, ADB, XDA, Google) before diving in head first.
Despite popular belief, having root does NOT in fact make you cooler.
Way too many new users are trying to root because they think it's cool or heard it's cool. Well; it's not cool to be a n00b and attempt root. You need to learn your device first.
If you don't know how to perform a Nandroid backup, or restore a previous ROM backup, flash updates, install custom ROM's, boot into Safe mode, Mount R/W, run shell commands or Terminal Emulator etc, then you should NOT root. You should browse the forums here, read, read and re-read everything until you know it well. Google search related topics. Exhaust all available avenues, then ask questions. After you've executed all of these options you might consider rooting and starting to tinker with your device.
If you don't even know what some of the things are that were mentioned, then you should absolutely NOT root your phone. You will likely brick or screw up your phone and then be right back here asking for help in a new thread most definitely created by you out of haste or costing [insert phone manufacturer/carrier here] money by sending your phone back and asking for a replacement simply because you had no idea what you were doing. JMHO
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* Rooting voids your warranty.
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Again, this is not here to offend anyone's sensitivity or hurt your feelings. Many have argued that bricking and recovery is the way they learn. That's fine [for them]. I highly doubt those same people started running before walking, or walking before crawling. But the majority of people need to learn first. Preventing someone from ruining their device is MY best advice.

I didn't know android had a safe mode.
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bubonik said:
I didn't know android had a safe mode.
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1.) Power Off>remove battery>WAIT for at least two minutes.
2.) Power On Phone while Holding MENU key until you get to the lock screen>At the bottom left corner of the display in transparent text will be the words "Safe Mode"
When in safe mode, Android does not load any third-party apps, and you can uninstall the application that gave you trouble from Settings > Applications > Manage applications.
To exit Safe Mode:
1.) Power off phone again>remove battery>wait two minutes
2.) Do a normal power on ...

So after reading this I still couldn't figure out how to get this root stuff you were talking about. I don't know what this "search" or "google" is. But if this makes me cool then I'm all about it- maybe I could get a girlfriend finally.
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WHY?
The advice, while a successful deterrent, is not very useful. If people are here on this website, chances are they are here to learn something new about how to improve or customize their phones. We were all noobs at one point in time an I know that I benfited greatly from all the guides and reference threads here. Why not post some links to some helpful threads and say "Read these BEFORE you try anything," not "Don't try it at all and if you want to do it, find your own way to." Just a thought.

t-mo123 said:
If people are here on this website, chances are they are here to learn something new about how to improve or customize their phones.
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And that is exactly my advice. LEARN FIRST. Browse through the threads and see how many are beginners who jumped too soon and are now asking for help. It's ridiculous. If you don't like my advice move on and troll another thread. Many here agree with what I've suggested. Take it or leave it.
In my experience, the ones who have a problem with this are the ones who are guilty of it. People who want to be 'cool' and root without learning then clutter the forums begging for help.

Honestly I think you're making a sweeping generalization assuming that anyone who roots their phone without reading everything there is to read first is just trying to be "cool".
Granted, there are a lot of folks out there that could stand to take a lesson or two in common sense, but I don't think it does anyone any good to tell all the "n00bs" to essentially eff off until they've done more research than I think most people on this forum who've successfully rooted would normally do.
There are numerous disclaimers that tell people to stay away from rooting unless they either know what they're doing or are willing to take a risk, and there are numerous people who learn by doing rather than reading.
In fact I would venture a guess that, were people to subscribe to your suggestion, this forum and indeed the entire Android dev ecosphere would suffer greatly, because many devs learn by tweaking and fixing... usually something that they themselves broke!
I don't ask that you change your opinion. Simply that you ask yourself what you really hope to accomplish with this post. It would seem to me that the people you hope to deter would just be insulted and ignore it.
As a previous poster had mentioned, it would be more convincing if you provided resource links to help educate those you are trying to reach.
Also, before you sling that "troll" moniker my way as you did a previous poster, you might do well to remember that just as you have the right to post your opinion, others have the right to disagree.
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well sir, maybe some of us noobs got tired of not being able to use any apps over wifi on our blackberry without data a blackberry plan and bought an android phone so we can have more freedom.
maybe some of us noobs are diving into rooting so we can use setpcu and squeeze more than the stock 2 hour heavy use we get from a stock MT4G
maybe some of us want to learn more about the system but we ask so many questions because we dont know where to get VISIONary plus since its no longer in the market place.
i dunno about other noobs but a thread with links to what to read to learn more is way more beneficial to me than this one telling me to stay out the circle of android trust.
perhaps you are the one who thinks being rooted is "cool"?(no disrespect meant)
some of us do really want to learn and we appreciate every help and every answer we get to our questions from you veterans.
so please have a little patience and/or noob tolerance. someday we'll learn and stop asking the same question that had been answered a doze times already

A simple Google search turned up 302,000 for Visionary. Maybe if you stopped and thought before you posted you might have better results.
Again, this thread wasn't meant to hurt anyone's sensitive feelings [as it seems it has]. It was meant to deter new members/rookies from diving into something before they learned it. Obviously with the new breed of youngsters these days that just isn't the case. Common sense seems to have taken a back door to rushed gratification. Intelligent strategy is how many of us learned, not jumping in and screwing things up.
By jumping in and messing things up, you not only make things harder on yourselves but waste our time helping with things that have been answered a thousand times and a simple search would have taught you that.
As with anything in life, you need to 'learn' before you do something. Cognitive retention is key to mastering anything.
Your logic of diving in without thought or regard for yourself or others that will end up helping you is almost insulting. You will find that many of the longtime users/devs/veterans here enjoy helping people who take precautions and want to help themselves. But almost none of them/us really care to help those who jump blindly.
JMHO. Take it however you like. And you don't need to take it from me; just try and get help in here when you do something dumb and see how much help you get from senior members.

CBConsultation said:
A simple Google search turned up 302,000 for Visionary. Maybe if you stopped and thought before you posted you might have better results.
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I don't know what you did there, but I just did a simple google search for Visionary and got "About 9,880,000 results (0.11 seconds)"
Maybe your google fu is weak or something..
On another note back on topic, I couldn't disagree more with your OP.. As a newb I think diving right in is the best thing to do to learn.. I Can read a wiki for hours about a phone, but that doesn't give you the same experience of 10 minutes hands on does..
My biggest suggestion to a newb to this **** is dont start with a high end device.. Buy a HTC Wizard or Excalibur off craigslist & play with & tweak them 1st.. Then maybe a g1 or something.. That way if you do **** up & brick your device your not toast..
IMHO there is no better way to learn something then to do it.. But also when you have problems, don't think your unique & that nobody has ever posted your question before, Search for it 1st & then only post asking for help if you cant find it..

bastage said:
.. But also when you have problems, don't think your unique & that nobody has ever posted your question before, Search for it 1st & then only post asking for help if you cant find it..
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And search further then the first page.
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I think I'll leave it in here, maybe even sticky it later

CB, while I can understand your frustration I believe your attitude could be seen as elitist.
I think that perhaps what we should be doing is trying to come up with a root cause solution that might work instead of telling people not to try something like rooting. As another poster implied, it's not that people shouldn't be rooting, but that they shouldn't be asking questions for which there are already answers.
This seems like the problem you're trying to address, not the problem of someone rooting their phone or not.
So let's put aside the discussion of how one learns and who has the right to root and focus on the issue of "inappropriate" posts.
Does that sound like a reasonable alternative?
Hopefully whatever comes out of this discussion could be used to improve the forum experience for everyone.
I should mention that I'm not really sure this thread should be in the dev section of the forum... Seems more like general discussion since the OP is more of an ideological opinion piece at this point.
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OP, does your soapbox come with a salad? Someone likes to hear himself talk...sheesh.
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viper3ez said:
well sir, maybe some of us noobs got tired of not being able to use any apps over wifi on our blackberry without data a blackberry plan and bought an android phone so we can have more freedom.
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As much as I HATE blackberries, I have to correct you. You do NOT need a data feature to use web over wifi on a Blackberry. How the hell would that make sense, seriously? But yes keep in mind, I am still not a BB fan lol, hate those pieces of crap.
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yo
so im not cool?

teamsilence said:
so im not cool?
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You're still cool in my book.

teamsilence said:
so im not cool?
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Your the bee's knees! Lol
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teamsilence said:
so im not cool?
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Your so cool your like an iced glacier.
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CBConsultation said:
A simple Google search turned up 302,000 for Visionary.
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Good lord, does anyone here actually have the time to go through 302.000 pages? Maybe I am the only one who has kids and a wife, but I know I don't have time to take a freaking computer programing course to teach myself how to use freaking cmnd lines. The crap I have seen on different forums that walk people through different rooting procedures on different phones acts as though everyone know WTF they are doing and/or has the time to spend hours a day learning. Guess what? Not everyone does. I spend hours a day teaching people the basics of how to use their phones and I have to give directions my grandmother could follow, is it to much to ask for detailed instruction that someone who has a very basic understanding of how to use these phones could follow? I don't think so. If you "seniors" could realize that you aren't cooler because you know what you are doing, and did the responsible thing and shared your knowledge without *****ing, moaning, and complaining about n00bs, you could help more n00bs become 'seniors' themselves and have more people out there able to help others.

Could be even better without the egos...

This is a great site and great community, every single developer on here has infinitely more knowledge than I do about android and I thank every one of you. I just can't help wondering how things could be even BETTER if some people could drop their ego's a little bit. I was just reading a few threads where one dev will offer another a piece of advice or constructive criticism and the the OP gets all bent out of shape. Why can't we all admit we aren't perfect and work together and share ALL the knowledge?

kingston73 said:
This is a great site and great community, every single developer on here has infinitely more knowledge than I do about android and I thank every one of you. I just can't help wondering how things could be even BETTER if some people could drop their ego's a little bit. I was just reading a few threads where one dev will offer another a piece of advice or constructive criticism and the the OP gets all bent out of shape. Why can't we all admit we aren't perfect and work together and share ALL the knowledge?
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Good man I am completely agree with you.
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That's all well and good but when you get people that don't even attempt to use the search function (which is Rule #1 of the forum) then people are obviously going to get narked!!
End of the day, the vast majority of questions have been answered in one way or another so you just need to learn to help yourself

EddyOS said:
That's all well and good but when you get people that don't even attempt to use the search function (which is Rule #1 of the forum) then people are obviously going to get narked!!
End of the day, the vast majority of questions have been answered in one way or another so you just need to learn to help yourself
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Yes you r right there are few people who even don't bother to use search tool. Keep asking same question again and again.
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It's really not the questions I'm talking about, more the developer to developer interactions. I can think of only a handful of developers who comment in other peoples threads and try to help other people, and that's when I see the negative remarks, the "I'm not going to listen to your suggestions because I already know..." type things. If one developer solves a problem why not share it immediately? If one knows of a better way to do things, why not share it?

Because it would take away from the Devs thread traffic - Devs like to be exclusive if they fix something first (which goes back to the ego thing). Always been this way I'm afraid

Because that would make too much sense and not cause enough bull**** - duh.

[Q] Development section getting filled with identical Roms

Now that there's tools for the average 13year old to kang up a rom or just re-release a Sense 4 Rom, the development section is getting flooded with identical Roms, I think each Rom thread should have a poll, and if it has had say 100 views after 2 weeks at least 5% of the viewers have to run it, not download, install, remove because its the same as their last rom so they just restore nandroid for all setting and apps back, but run it as daily.
There's 15+ Sense 4 Roms, at least 10 are identical with different wallpapers and maybe hard set leedroid tweaks installed.
They all mention about being deodexed and zip alligned but let's face it, the so called developers have not developed these roms at all and they need to stop.
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Nope. Its because of people like you that dev's leave or stop developing for devices.
You'd rather be picky and pick which developers can stay and which have to leave because of "unsatisfactory" work.
Im sorry, but it doesn't work that way. You really don't have a say in that.
Everyone has to start somewhere and everyone has the right to create a modified or custom rom. Leave them alone.
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OllieArmageddon said:
Now that there's tools for the average 13year old to kang up a rom or just re-release a Sense 4 Rom, the development section is getting flooded with identical Roms, I think each Rom thread should have a poll, and if it has had say 100 views after 2 weeks at least 5% of the viewers have to run it, not download, install, remove because its the same as their last rom so they just restore nandroid for all setting and apps back, but run it as daily.
There's 15+ Sense 4 Roms, at least 10 are identical with different wallpapers and maybe hard set leedroid tweaks installed.
They all mention about being deodexed and zip alligned but let's face it, the so called developers have not developed these roms at all and they need to stop.
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Completely disagree... I mean...what are you doing here in xda? You should be kicked off immediately...
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Dude... Stop being such a turd, I know you may be annoyed by it but each developer has put in hours upon hours sat at a computer just for those roms to work. Each Rom has something different. Without all these amazing developers many people would have left this phone long ago. They are xda. So please stop your moaning.
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Can we please have a mod take a look at this thread? Also, reported.
EDIT: If you read this and it made you feel this way, then I think you should go through the post once more; you've misunderstood it or I have.
EDIT 2: Disagree with the OP, but let's keep this clean, please? Remember the thread is about the ROMs in the development section & not about the Original poster

totally disagree as well.
why don't you use the so called "13 year old tools" you speak about to make your own ROM and take a hike? oh i know why, because you don't know how to use them. you're not only disrespecting XDA and the Devs, you're also disrespecting your device. Android and it's openness is not for people like you.

Please stay on topic guys. The OP makes a valid point which is even talked about on the portal.
There are multiple sides to this "issue". Some might argue that XDA is site for original development, others might say that there a place in this world for every single ROM, no matter how it was created.
In the end XDA is a public forum where we will always have different opinions.
That said, please stay civil here, or the thread will be closed.

I might say, the sensation development section has many ROMs with similar base, but to say ROMs are identical, then no.
And to make a note that every single device is different than the other, one ROM that works perfect for me, might not work perfectly for you, and here comes the benefit of this diversity in ROMs.

Never noticed identical dishes! Seems to be a nice variety of menu items!

Dear sir, you are incorrect!
I totally disagree. If in fact you are bothered
by the options Available here at xda I suggest you FIND ANOTHER forum. I for one am grateful for the options available to me and for ALL the developers here at this forum!.
They all have a very important contribution to this forum. SHAME on you for suggesting otherwise..we are entitled to a opinion I have mine you have yours. :
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I'm not saying they should be all closed down, I'm saying if they don't kick off within 2 weeks - month then should we have a poll to whether they stay open or even get moved to an Early development section, or at least be able to distinguish between succeeding roms and ones with 10 downloads in 2 weeks,
I agree that people need somewhere to start developing, but should there be a lower class development section, then as a Rom grows move it to main development section?
I'm sorry for the grumpy OP, it was early and I missed the days of my HTC Wildfire's development section, each Rom had huge differences and you would pick one to match your life style, now you just pick a base,
The recent post in XDA news about cyanogen wanting people to start a Rom from scratch, build it up completely different from any other, that's what I would ideally want.
I'm sorry again for the offensive OP
I didn't get my banana today...

OllieArmageddon said:
I'm not saying they should be all closed down, I'm saying if they don't kick off within 2 weeks - month then should we have a poll to whether they stay open or even get moved to an Early development section, or at least be able to distinguish between succeeding roms and ones with 10 downloads in 2 weeks,
I agree that people need somewhere to start developing, but should there be a lower class development section, then as a Rom grows move it to main development section?
I'm sorry for the grumpy OP, it was early and I missed the days of my HTC Wildfire's development section, each Rom had huge differences and you would pick one to match your life style, now you just pick a base,
The recent post in XDA news about cyanogen wanting people to start a Rom from scratch, build it up completely different from any other, that's what I would ideally want.
I'm sorry again for the offensive OP
I didn't get my banana today...
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Now, when you calm down and talk in a suggestive manner, I can understand what you mean.
But really, is there that much scope for development? How much can change today?
How ready are you to try something that you know isn't stable?
The fact is if someone were to start off with something new, they surely wouldn't get it right the first time around. Will people be willing to risk their phones to try something new?
These questions need to be answered & any good dev would of course think of these things.
Also, you base so much on visual appearances, what have you used of the ROM that you base these claims that the ROMs are the same on? Have you seen how they work on your device?
When you are talking of the Sense 4.0 ROMs I really wonder how much of a visual difference you expect to see in Sense? Why not download a new skin? It will feel like a new ROM experience if appearance is all that counts.
These are my honest opinions & being a noob, I hope that these opinions don't offend anyone.

I don't see the point in your suggestion. The forum does that by itself, the popular roms stay on the first page while those with less users end up in the pages afterwards.
As long as devs aren't kanging each other without permission I don't see a problem with new roms. Your original argument that the sense 4 roms are all the same is understandable in a way. The devs working on sense 4 are doing an amazing job and they have gotten rid of the majority of bugs. Without thr amount of devs that are working on it, there is no way sense 4 would be where its at on our phones. You seem to be basing this "lack" of variety of roms on the ui. This argument is almost completely irrelevant at this point since the fusion.apk in sense 4 is locked down, and this is the base for the majority of ui changes on sense itself. There's probably 8 sense 4 roms and the majority are made by exceptional devs who are working together on getting sense 4 to the best state possible.
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kgs1992 said:
Now, when you calm down and talk in a suggestive manner, I can understand what you mean.
But really, is there that much scope for development? How much can change today?
How ready are you to try something that you know isn't stable?
The fact is if someone were to start off with something new, they surely wouldn't get it right the first time around. Will people be willing to risk their phones to try something new?
These questions need to be answered & any good dev would of course think of these things.
Also, you base so much on visual appearances, what have you used of the ROM that you base these claims that the ROMs are the same on? Have you seen how they work on your device?
When you are talking of the Sense 4.0 ROMs I really wonder how much of a visual difference you expect to see in Sense? Why not download a new skin? It will feel like a new ROM experience if appearance is all that counts.
These are my honest opinions & being a noob, I hope that these opinions don't offend anyone.
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Im as cool as a cucumber all the time anyway lol
I'm using sense 4 as an example as many have been released in past 2-3 weeks.
I would just like to see more original roms on here

We have GB, ICS, Sense 3.0, Sense 3.5, Sense 3.6, Sense 4.0, MIUI, AOSP, CM... Right now the devs are working with what bases they have available to them. When JB and KLP get dropped then I'm sure those will make their way here as well, but by then you'll probably have moved on to a newer device anyways.
As was already mentioned, the popular roms stay at the top so the sorting is done automatically. If people don't like a rom it will fall back in the page count and be long forgotten!
If you want, I can make a port of cupcake for you. How different would that be!?

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We have GB, ICS, Sense 3.0, Sense 3.5, Sense 3.6, Sense 4.0, MIUI, AOSP, CM... Right now the devs are working with what bases they have available to them. When JB and KLP get dropped then I'm sure those will make their way here as well, but by then you'll probably have moved on to a newer device anyways.
As was already mentioned, the popular roms stay at the top so the sorting is done automatically. If people don't like a rom it will fall back in the page count and be long forgotten!
If you want, I can make a port of cupcake for you. How different would that be!?
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If you can get it working on newest firmware then yes
Random things like this is what I'd like to see, even a android Linux combo, being able to install android and Linux apps to one Rom would be amazing,
I liked the times when we had things like the HQ Camera mod come out, if smalled devs could work together on projects like that then the Dev section would be filled with newer stuff
I'm not trying to attack devs, just try to see my point, one rom doesn't stand out from another any more

How come nobody is allowed to state their opinion on xda without somebody getting mad? I agree most of the roms are the same. And it my opinion, none of them seem to work right. Bit again, someone will disagree and tattle tail on me to a moderator or say I need to be kicked off because they disagree with my opinion. No one ever said anyone else had to agree with anyone's opinion. If you don't agree then state your opinion and step aside. Nobody needs you spamming threads with **** like "you need to be kicked off" cause someone has an opinion. The OP did not say anything about race religion creed or sexual orientation therefore he can rightfully say whatever else he wants. Grow up. If you don't like it then you have every right to go somewhere else.

Kevc44485 said:
How come nobody is allowed to state their opinion on xda without somebody getting mad? I agree most of the roms are the same. And it my opinion, none of them seem to work right. Bit again, someone will disagree and tattle tail on me to a moderator or say I need to be kicked off because they disagree with my opinion. No one ever said anyone else had to agree with anyone's opinion. If you don't agree then state your opinion and step aside. Nobody needs you spamming threads with **** like "you need to be kicked off" cause someone has an opinion. The OP did not say anything about race religion creed or sexual orientation therefore he can rightfully say whatever else he wants. Grow up. If you don't like it then you have every right to go somewhere else.
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Our community is awesome only because of devs, who work really hard for us.. if they leave, our sensation forum will die down. Such threads would push devs away & that's the only reason I reported this. Also, I didn't scream ban! I just wanted the mod to take a look. I am sorry if this was wrong but I only had the best interest of the community in mind..
Also, I am sorry for this OT. I just wanted to explain what I thought, if anyone cares that is.
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kgs1992 said:
Our community is awesome only because of devs, who work really hard for us.. if they leave, our sensation forum will die down. Such threads would push devs away & that's the only reason I reported this. Also, I didn't scream ban! I just wanted the mod to take a look. I am sorry if this was wrong but I only had the best interest of the community in mind..
Also, I am sorry for this OT. I just wanted to explain what I thought, if anyone cares that is.
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Yeah I understand what your saying, everyone has an opinion and I searched and couldn't find anywhere I could express it, so created this thread

I gotta agree. Aside from CM9/MIUI/AOKP/Paranoid Android, most Sense 3.6/Sense 4.0 ROMs are the same.

Mix/Matching Roms

I was going to post in the rookie thread in Development, but decided that my question was most likely better off in here.
I have been running beanstalk, and while I like it to me it isn't pac man.
I'm curious, there are some small things that I would like to maybe make part of PAC but I don't know how difficult it would be.
I would like to steal one of the battery mods that is in beanstalk. Would there be an easy way?
I would also like to find a way to add transparant notification drawer. Would there be an easy way?
I obviously don't want to ask a DEV to change what they like in there rom that they are porting/creating, but I also do not believe I have enough capability to build my own rom.
Any assistance/information you can give would be greatly appreciated.

Dex954 said:
I obviously don't want to ask a DEV to change what they like in there rom that they are porting/creating, but I also do not believe I have enough capability to build my own rom.
Any assistance/information you can give would be greatly appreciated.
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This mentality here is unacceptable your on a development forum if you feel you lack the capability you've already given up by selling yourself short. I'm tired of people saying I can't learn or I don't have time because it's garbage. Most of the guys doing this have families, jobs, issues, and lives like everyone else and they still make time.
As for the icons it would require you to replace them with a swap since you won't be able to add them to the menus so start with framework-res.apk and systemUI.apk see if you can find the ones you want.

mtdew said:
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This mentality here is unacceptable your on a development forum if you feel you lack the capability you've already given up by selling yourself short. I'm tired of people saying I can't learn or I don't have time because it's garbage. Most of the guys doing this have families, jobs, issues, and lives like everyone else and they still make time.
As for the icons it would require you to replace them with a swap since you won't be able to add them to the menus so start with framework-res.apk and systemUI.apk see if you can find the ones you want.
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This mentality of everyone is able to do something is simply incorrect. A paralyzed person from the hips down is not going to be able to run under his own power. And the fact that I didn't post this in the DEV section still merits me an ambush. This whole I'm "entitled" mentality to say something because I have done something before on this forum is hilarious. I'm glad that you can make time for it I get too frustrated, and you want to go ahead and look at what the OP of the project rookie thread states? Sorry for doing research before I delved into something I wasn't sure about.
PS Thanks for the information that was ACTUALLY given

Dex954 said:
This mentality of everyone is able to do something is simply incorrect. A paralyzed person from the hips down is not going to be able to run under his own power. And the fact that I didn't post this in the DEV section still merits me an ambush. This whole I'm "entitled" mentality to say something because I have done something before on this forum is hilarious. I'm glad that you can make time for it I get too frustrated, and you want to go ahead and look at what the OP of the project rookie thread states? Sorry for doing research before I delved into something I wasn't sure about.
PS Thanks for the information that was ACTUALLY given
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So its OK to just dismiss things because you get frustrated anything people want to get good at takes time and effort. The battery stuff has been talked about before so I'm assuming your search was not very thorough but my point was don't sell yourself short and give up before you even try. Also determined people find something they can do if they are paralyzed from the waist down they may never run but could still do tons of great things. You see the glass half empty I see it half full.
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You need to post these questions to the rookie thread ... of course, after you have searched.
What you are asking has been answered in this massive place called XDA many times. In fact, I even posted a specific tutorial on how to modify SystemUI.apk for battery mods months ago. I just searched ... and guess what? It's still here ...
Based on the questions you're asking, it is clear that you haven't done any research or leg work on your end. I'm not trying to flame you, just letting you know how other people see this thread.
Nobody is going to handhold you through something if you haven't at least tried to figure it out on your own first. When you get stuck with specific questions because something isn't working, or you have an error in your builds, go to the Rookie Thread first. We are willing to help anyone get going, but not if you aren't willing to put in the effort.
Good luck!

End of custom roms.......

Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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Post of the month!
ETA:
As much as I agree, this is flogging a dead horse
Until you can change the impatient 'fix it now, I refuse to read the first post post anyway, that bits not important' mentality of the average user, nothing will change

I agree. most users in this community are selfish. most likely they demand fix this please, when's the next update, port it please, comparing their work to another's hard work, flaming and so on.
they neither try to read back the thread or use the search function. or has no clue with the forum rules. it's a sad thing but yeah it's here. it's really a sad thing but there's nothing we can do unless they learn to respect the free work devs have put into their work. people should realize devs are doing it on their spare time on their own will to share to people for users to enjoy for free.

Agree
I was hoping to find a thread like this and I totally agree with you.
But maybe that is not the end cause I think that the devs will still love what they do just that they try not to address certain people.
As great as the idea of XDA is and as much as I'm happy that this awesome forum exists..I think that it should be talked/discussed about the forum rules!!!
Example:
How can it be possible that you become senior member with 100 posts?
This leads to flaming in some cases and is no way near related on how helpful you are
The process in being allowed to post
While some are annoyed that they can't discuss right after logging the first time....for others it is way to simple to join and flame.
Rules enforcement
We all know that some posts we make are not related to the devices...and I think that this shouldn't be seen as an issue in general...XDA to me is also a communication page as long as the dev doesn't have a problem with it... BUT being disrespectful to the work you receive for free and claiming bugs where there are reported to be none and most important refusing to read should be looked after more often.
At last I really don't want to criticize XDA or what it stands for cause I still love it... I just hope it stays what it was created for and won't loose the devs which are doing so many awesome things for us because some people just can't follow the rules and be thankful for what they get

Maybe some new rules when people sign up?like private reference or something?but then again that would drop Ads revenue of this site drasticly

Unfortunately it's fact that most of the users are never happy enough with the things they get FOR FREE. They don't see the hard work of the devs behind a custom ROM. They only see what they have on their phones, and if there's something they don't like, they complain and blame the dev. And the fact that many users don't read instructions or simple informations gives the devs more work. They have to watch their thread 24 hours a day and always be friendly and helpful. If that's not given, some users become rude. My favorite thread was closed this morning because of such stupidity. The dev pulls his heart and soul in his project and gets more negative than positive feedback. That's not fair.
 @4aces: you know what thread I'm talking about, i think you agree, it's a sad sad day for us.

Exactly @speedwayfan75 that why I had to voice my rant over that thread. And @DSA same for your thread too shut due to some users. Black box was great used on s3 then got discontinued on s4
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?

centavar said:
So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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Did I day that :banghead:
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In my opinion it's also the fault of XDA in general.
Just take a look in the Q&A section. So many question that have been anwsered before, so many people that just won't read.
In my opinion every thread that doesn't have a decent opening post should be closed untill they put some effort in it. But the more users XDA gets, the more money they make. So the skill level will only keep lowering and then some other decent website opens and replaces XDA.
Users just get to much space to do anything they want. I'm not blaming the mods in any way, because I think they are doing a good job. People higher up the ladder should take action or XDA will go down true their own succes.

I agree that there are many noob who do not read the post before replying.
But every boby was a noob before no?
just give them a chance to become good Android users...
PS: sorry for my english, i'am french !

You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.

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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels

Users should be understanding about this. I think XDA should double the number of moderators so that useless posts are deleted on regular basis. For developers; they should create a third post on their ROM topic, that has a big list of all FAQs in bold.

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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Devs will start charging, to be honest I'd probably pay, But anyways.... I work in Service Management for a Global IT company, and this behaviour is pretty standard when you are dealing with this many users..
I for one respond ONCE and the ignore users that make demands or unreasonable requests or are just plain offensive or rude.
What makes it worse though is the number of more experienced users that actually reply to these people in the thread. Honestly is some threads they have doubled the useless post count! Now, before I get flamed, I have done it myself because its just plain RUDE!!! But it doesn't take every 'good' user to flame back or stick up for the dev or say not to ask for ETAs! Just once will do and then ignore them!
If you ask any service professional or SixSigma bod, they will say 'focus on the good users and ignore the bad'.
Please please though reading multiple posts from good users responding to bad users is just as annoying as having to read the original bad post.
Peace Out People!

DSA said:
Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! I know if anyone can understand is you my man!! I create a basic custom rom at best (and kernels lately). You create the most awesome rom i have ever used!! Way way over my head!! And you get the same treatment?? Its really not worth it!! People (im not generalizing because there are some EXCEPTIONAL USERS who deserve recognition) dont get (or dont want to get) what it takes to create a masterpiece like yours for example...
Thank you and my wish is that we will see you back!!
But one thing is for sure, something has to change...
It seems that people value something only if they have to pay for it... Im not say this should happen here but something that protects us (the creators/ providers of roms. kernels, recoveries, mods, apps etc etc) for the **** we get should be put in place... Some kind of mechanism that protects spamming and protects flaming... Something with more success than the current measures we have in place now...
Also THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT and opening this thread is a good thing!!
It needs to stay up and we need to make it into a "brainstorming pool" of ways to make sure devs who do this for free (therefore they do it because they love sharing) are protected...

How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.

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How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...

goodgood hahahahhahah
stevendeb25 said:
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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goodgood verygood

friedrich420 said:
You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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Gasp! I donated $1!!!!! You mean I don't own you????