Have you guys noticed that nothing has been done about the G camera's excess noise reduction? It smudges a lot of the detail that should be there but isn't.
I have a feeling that the Aptina AR0543 CMOS sensor can take significant more detailed pictures but Motorola saw it and thought: "hmmm this camera is too good and it will make the Moto G too much of a good deal compared to the X" so they added some ridiculous software noise reduction to make pictures look worse and thus make consumers think "hmmm if I want a good camera I should spend the extra money and get the X"
I know some people will think this is unlikely, but there's no good reason why the noise reduction is so high on the Moto G's camera and considering that the Moto G is the saving grace for Motorola while the X hasn't really sold that well, they should just give up and make the Moto G's camera even better by getting rid of the noise reduction and tuning the colors so they keep selling more and more Moto G's.
What do you think?
yes this is true.. even my good old galaxy apollo's 3.1MP shooter is far better than Moto G's. camera is the worst thing happened to Moto G.
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Yes. See this. Moto X had the same problem with the noise reduction.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7353/moto-x-update-dramatically-improves-camera-quality
Either Motorola doesn't know yet(post on their forums about it a lot so they know) OR they're not updating it on purpose so the Moto X camera looks better.
Yeah, I think they overcompensated with the noise reduction, that should be a post-effect. My beef is with the white balance, it's noticeably blue. They're all software issues and I can't see how that could have been missed. All the hardware is there for a decent picture.
Subject also discussed here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2567260
I wonder if just a bomb tickin to explode with an update (as waht they did with the X)
Maybe they update it once the competing phones comes out
eastdata said:
Yeah, I think they overcompensated with the noise reduction, that should be a post-effect. My beef is with the white balance, it's noticeably blue. They're all software issues and I can't see how that could have been missed. All the hardware is there for a decent picture.
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Exactly. I don't see how somebody at Motorola can look at a sample image and thought that is acceptable for production unless they wanted it to be that way. Every Moto G seems to look like a oil painting when zoomed at 100% and they have to know by now but for some reason they haven't even acknowledged it despite this phone being one of the best phones of 2013 and every single publication and user online saying the camera is the single flaw in this phone.
If they never deliver a firmware update, it's got to be intentional. Hopefully I'm wrong and they are just dragging their feet since its not a very profitable device.
CADude said:
Exactly. I don't see how somebody at Motorola can look at a sample image and thought that is acceptable for production unless they wanted it to be that way. Every Moto G seem to look like a oil painting when zoomed at 100% and they have to know by now but for some reason they haven't even acknowledged it despite this phone being one of the best phones of 2013 and every single publication and user online saying the camera is the single flaw in this phone.
If they never deliver a firmware update, its got to be intentional. Hopefully I'm wrong and they are just dragging their feet since its not a very profitable device.
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Haha conspiracy theory!.... Let's flood them with emails?
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CADude said:
Exactly. I don't see how somebody at Motorola can look at a sample image and thought that is acceptable for production unless they wanted it to be that way. Every Moto G seem to look like a oil painting when zoomed at 100% and they have to know by now but for some reason they haven't even acknowledged it despite this phone being one of the best phones of 2013 and every single publication and user online saying the camera is the single flaw in this phone.
If they never deliver a firmware update, its got to be intentional. Hopefully I'm wrong and they are just dragging their feet since its not a very profitable device.
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I hope that it's an oversight on Moto's part. I mean the sale to Lenova was somewhat hushed and timed just after release--they probably wanted to make sure it had a market presence to allay any misgivings in the acquisition. In that sense they may have pushed for release and not vetted the software as they may otherwise have done. There have been issues with the camera app itself.
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Haha conspiracy theory!.... Let's flood them with emails?
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Hopefully people have already been doing that along with posting on their forum.
I am suspecting this as well.
The MSM8226 processor is supposed to be 1.4 GHz but in our Moto G it is underclocked to 1.2GHz.
5MP camera is good enough to take 1080p video, but for moto g the maximum is only 720p.
It could be the same for picture quality, they try to distinct their flagship and their budget phone by making Moto G looks worst.
Did you already find an open thread about this topic on Motorola forum?
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I am suspecting this as well.
The MSM8226 processor is supposed to be 1.4 GHz but in our Moto G it is underclocked to 1.2GHz.
5MP camera is good enough to take 1080p video, but for moto g the maximum is only 720p.
It could be the same for picture quality, they try to distinct their flagship and their budget phone by making Moto G looks worst.
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What's the point of having it clocked to 1.4 when 1.2 is already smooth as butter? It will just waste battery life.
What's the point of having it record 1080p videos when it only has a 720p screen? It will just waste memory.
I think you guys should start thinking about this logically before assuming moto is out to purposely make the moto g terrible. Optimizations of battery life and file size are important, especially on a phone that has a non removable battery and no SD card slot.
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Too many movies! Come on..
x92 said:
I am suspecting this as well.
The MSM8226 processor is supposed to be 1.4 GHz but in our Moto G it is underclocked to 1.2GHz.
5MP camera is good enough to take 1080p video, but for moto g the maximum is only 720p.
It could be the same for picture quality, they try to distinct their flagship and their budget phone by making Moto G looks worst.
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Actually its 1.6ghz and you can overclock it easily with the Faux Kernel.
I personally think the underclocking was done for battery life though.
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What's the point of having it clocked to 1.4 when 1.2 is already smooth as butter? It will just waste battery life.
What's the point of having it record 1080p videos when it only has a 720p screen? It will just waste memory.
I think you guys should start thinking about this logically before assuming moto is out to purposely make the moto g terrible. Optimizations of battery life and file size are important, especially on a phone that has a non removable battery and no SD card slot.
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Where is your evidence that processor clock at 0.2GHz slower will actually save much battery? how many percent?
It might be smooth for now but that doesn't mean it will be smooth after major android update in the future.
Really? do you mean that those phone out there that can take 1080p cannot shoot in 720p? there wasn't any option for that?
I didn't say Motorola try to make Moto G terrible, I'm just saying they try to distinct their flagship and non-flagship.
In fact, I think Moto G is a terrific product for under 200 US dollar but by looking at the capability of Moto G hardware, I wish it could be better.
Back to topic, what do you think Motorola is trying to "save" here by having excess noise reduction for the camera?
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I am suspecting this as well.
The MSM8226 processor is supposed to be 1.4 GHz but in our Moto G it is underclocked to 1.2GHz.
5MP camera is good enough to take 1080p video, but for moto g the maximum is only 720p.
It could be the same for picture quality, they try to distinct their flagship and their budget phone by making Moto G looks worst.
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You're kind of taking us off topic here. Nobody has a problem with the SoC, and few people care about 1080p video since 720p is enough for most people and the screen is 720p anyway.
The image quality is the real problem here. Another issue is the fact that the video camera records at too low a bitrate.
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You're kind of taking us off topic here. Nobody has a problem with the SoC, and few people care about 1080p video since 720p is enough for most people and the screen is 720p anyway.
The image quality is the real problem here. Another issue is the fact that the video camera records at too low a bitrate.
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Nope, SoC and 1080p are examples that help bring out my point:
"It could be the same for picture quality, they try to distinct their flagship and their budget phone by making Moto G looks worst."
Well from what I known and seen Motorola camera have never been good on any of their smart phones that I used. But they get the job done.
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Feel free to share your doubts also with the Motorola team in the discussion we have opened on the support forum:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/484ae2193b
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Feel free to share your doubts also with the Motorola team in the discussion we have opened on the support forum:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/484ae2193b
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Thanks for opening that. The more people flood their forums, the better.
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Sorry for bringing up something that might already have been covered, but there's one thing that I haven't understood completely.
There's quite a lot of talk about the camera not really performing that well, but looking into the matter I also read that this might be more software related than a hardware problem. (Another app might do the trick?)
The reason for asking is that I am thinking about maybe replacing my Samsung Galaxy S3 with the 16GB version of the Moto G, but I'm a bit hesitant because of the camera - especially since the one in the S3 is quite good.
I don't really care that much for MP's - they never really tell the full story - but if the quality between my current S3 and the Moto G differs to much...
Any input?
Thanks in advance,
/gosa
It'll be more the sensor that software...
Anothe camera app wouldnt make a massive difference to quality of the photo tbh.
Its just one of the tradeoffs for a cheaper phone unfortunately.
King p1n said:
Anothe camera app wouldnt make a massive difference to quality of the photo tbh.
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The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774
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The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774
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Like I said a different app wouldnt make a huge difference.
And to me it doesnt have much of an effect from your photos imo.
shaftenberg said:
The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774
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I had an LG P920 and have used the Snap Camera with a significant improvement in the quality of the photos. In Moto G use the default camera app just for movies slow. For photos I use Snap Camera and I am pleased with the results.
King p1n said:
Like I said a different app wouldnt make a huge difference.
And to me it doesnt have much of an effect from your photos imo.
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The photos he displayed to show the difference when using stock and snapchat show a vast improvement in my opinion.
Look at the post-it note text for the biggest difference.
Obviously software can only go so far, but the stock camera app I feel is clearly doing something wrong with how it sharpens/smooths the image. I'm guessing their sharpening algorithm is assuming a much bigger resolution and using too large of a kernel size for us. So it ends up looking blurry because the blurring becomes exaggerated. Regardless, using a different camera app will help out with these things. That is, assuming they aren't doing these corrections somewhere in the kernel before it even reaches user-land.
dannyfritz said:
[..] That is, assuming they aren't doing these corrections somewhere in the kernel before it even reaches user-land.
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100% not.
I decompiled the stock camera app and switched off the Noise Reduction just to see how the sensor sees the image, look here:
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-5.html#post6803183
The stock app softens the image massively and then set a bad compression level. Look at the pattern at the Gauloise package from my other post and see how the stock app filters out all small lines.
shaftenberg said:
100% not.
I decompiled the stock camera app and switched off the Noise Reduction just to see how the sensor sees the image, look here:
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-5.html#post6803183
The stock app softens the image massively and then set a bad compression level. Look at the pattern at the Gauloise package from my other post and see how the stock app filters out all small lines.
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So its the app compressing them?
Im not too knowledgable on this stuff.
Could you not 'decompile' the stock and change the compression softening settings or something? If its the app
I've seen this about compression removal for Droid Maxx worth a lookl?
http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/24758/motorola-razr-maxx-compression-removal
Also some ROMs have the following line in build.prop:
ro.media.dec.jpeg.memcap=2000000
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Might be worth adding and changing the value to see if there is any benefit.
Guys,
Thank you all for your inputs, it's made for some interesting reading. Especially those example pics that shaftenberg posted gave quite a bit of info.
Yesterday I ordered the 8GB version for my wife to replace my old water damaged Desire that - after over a year of running "post-swim" without any kind of problems - is dying on her... I'm confident that the change Desire - Moto G will make a huge difference in image quality for her.
I think now the plan is to compare her Moto G with my S3 for some time and then - if I feel ok with the image quality - go for the 16 GB version.
Some people might think it's a bit strange to swap out the S3 for a Moto G, but the benefits of getting something more updated with regards to OS (and more open if you compare with Samsung and Exynos) and such... the only thing that worries me is image quality.
/gosa
I find that VSCO Cam is also better than stock camera, and probably also even better than Camera Zoom FX.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vsco.cam
The one thing I've found a huge benefit of the Moto g over the n4 and s3 is that its made for one hand. I often find with phones now days I end up when sitting down using them I use my thumb and for finger to support the phone and only half wrap my hand round it to get full use of the screen. There are no such issues with this phone.
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This phone's camera is clearly not tuned well. The noise reduction is wayyyyy too high and the white balance is off.
The Moto X had similar issues and it was mostly fixed with an update. The same will probably happen with this phone, likely bundled with the Kitkat update.
I was about to buy Xperia L a month ago but due to some issues with it I decided not to, moreover, I got to know about Moto G and I'm really happy with the specs.
The only thing that is holding me back is the camera. How is Moto G's camera against XL? I know I'm comparing 5mp vs 8mp, but still.
If Moto G's camera is as good as XL than I'm sold. heh!
Oh, and I'm really sorry if I posted this in wrong section.
The camera is mediocre, but it's a little better than my Galaxy Nexus in some ways. That doesn't say much.
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PloniAlmoni said:
The camera is mediocre, but it's a little better than my Galaxy Nexus in some ways. That doesn't say much.
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Mediocre compared to what exactly, a reflex camera? Then sure, it is mediocre.
But tbh i find it quite average, during the day it can take some really nice pictures though at night seems to be quite dissapointing.
Overall its more than enough for casual pictures to post at facebook/tweeter, etc but ofc you wont be taking professional pictures to work with.
Compared to a flagship phone's camera or the last two Nexuses.
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PloniAlmoni said:
Compared to a flagship phone's camera or the last two Nexuses.
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True that. Small difference of 400-500 dollars + for those cameras tho. :silly: Or twice moto g's price for the nexuses..
Thanks alot guys! I don't plan to take professional like photos with it, obviously. I just need a smartphone with a decent camera to post pics on facebook/twitter etc. Thanks again. Cheers.
Oh, it's decent for Facebook or Twitter. As long as you're not blowing the photos up...
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Take a look at this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2543003
There's a lot of pics taken with these phone and honestly,i was expecting much less based on reviews
You can even use it as a scanner for documents (see page 4)
BUMP! Thanks for the link, 72off.
The wait for Moto G is kiling me. lol. I think the rear camera would be fine for me, though, pictures seems to be a little out of focus and blurry but I'll take it.
I haven't seen any front facing camera sample of Moto G, so I was wondering if someone can upload it(maybe a selfie?) if it is not too much to ask. heh!
Hi XDA members and developers
I was thinking that the "camera problem" of the moto g maybe it's caused by a too high compression. I mean that any photo have a size of 1 MB, but on the Galaxy s advance is around 3 Mb at photo. So, anyone can mod the stock camera to make it better, for better photos?
Has it improved on kitkat does anyone know?
Does it improve with a different camera app?
coursemyhorse said:
Has it improved on kitkat does anyone know?
Does it improve with a different camera app?
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No theres been threads on this nothing has changed.
As for compression theres nothing we can do, its up to Motorola.
FabioSan said:
Hi XDA members and developers
I was thinking that the "camera problem" of the moto g maybe it's caused by a too high compression. I mean that any photo have a size of 1 MB, but on the Galaxy s advance is around 3 Mb at photo. So, anyone can mod the stock camera to make it better, for better photos?
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Why not simply replace the camera with another app?
CAMERA ICS
HD Camera
ZOOM Camera
The camera isn`t bad realy considering the camera and sensor but it will never be turned to a top camera though because of the hardware limitations.
gee2012 said:
The camera isn`t bad realy considering the camera and sensor but it will never be turned to a top camera though because of the hardware limitations.
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hardware limitations? my 3M camera on optimus one was better than the 5M moto g camera... my gf has xperia go and her 5M camera is also way better. so i dont get it..
Mixture of hardware and software. I've read several reviews that say prost processing causes loss of detail. However this maybe due to the camera without it producing very noisy shots. In an ideal world I'd love to have an option whether or not we want to have our images processed by the software, that heavily.
Compared to the Moto X's response the camera, Moto Gs is nothing which is why I think Moto are reluctant to look into maybe toning it down a little.
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gee2012 said:
The camera isn`t bad realy considering the camera and sensor but it will never be turned to a top camera though because of the hardware limitations.
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You mean software limitations imposed by Motorola, likely to try to keep people from filling up an 8GB Moto G with minimally compressed pictures.
They dont want the Moto G to be to good, or Moto X and Nexus 5 sales will drop too much. Its up to the devs to mod the camera to make it beter.
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ManBearrrPig said:
hardware limitations? my 3M camera on optimus one was better than the 5M moto g camera... my gf has xperia go and her 5M camera is also way better. so i dont get it..
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Megapixel count has almost nothing to do with image quality. In fact, the average lens performs better on lower resolution sensors if their other features like size, light sensitivity etc. are the same. When it comes to image quality, the three major bottlenecks are the lens, the sensor quality and the imaging algorithm. My impression is that the Moto G has an average camera hardware with bad software.
BTW setting the aspect ratio from 16:10 to 4:3 improved the image quality on my device, I guess the software does not just crop the picture but it does some extra filtering too.
Ad i had wrote on che first post, i'm asking if someone can mod the camera app to make it better with less compression and maybe other modifications
Inviato dal mio Super Motorola Moto G!!
debaj said:
My impression is that the Moto G has an average camera hardware with bad software.
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This is exactly what is happening. Motorola either messed up or made the camera bad on purpose to try and save battery/space when taking pictures or to not make the Moto G as good as the Moto X.
FabioSan said:
Ad i had wrote on che first post, i'm asking if someone can mod the camera app to make it better with less compression and maybe other modifications
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The AOSP camera worked well for me, if you don't mind losing the HDR function and the one finger zoom you should try it. Check this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2602054
debaj said:
The AOSP camera worked well for me, if you don't mind losing the HDR function and the one finger zoom you should try it. Check this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2602054
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Thanks, but i haven't root And i don't want it :/ and if maybe i install the aosp camera as normal apk? After i can "downgrade" the camera app to the oroginal Motorola?
Inviato dal mio Super Motorola Moto G!!
Edit: i think that moto g camera is a little better then the aosp camera; i have tested a little comparing the same photo taked with moto And aosp camera ._.
CADude said:
This is exactly what is happening. Motorola either messed up or made the camera bad on purpose to try and save battery/space when taking pictures or to not make the Moto G as good as the Moto X.
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Lol what kinda silly conspiracies is that lol...
Especially the last one :/
Im very sure its neither.
Its Motorolas software processing the photo in order to reduce noise
As GsmArena indicated
"Unfortunately the overly agressive noise reduction results in eradicating a fair amount of fine detail and an oil painting effect is visible whenever you shoot grass, foliage or similar.
King p1n said:
Lol what kinda silly conspiracies is that lol...
Especially the last one :/
Im very sure its neither.
Its Motorolas software processing the photo in order to reduce noise
As GsmArena indicated
"Unfortunately the overly agressive noise reduction results in eradicating a fair amount of fine detail and an oil painting effect is visible whenever you shoot grass, foliage or similar.
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There is a method to make the noise reduction less aggressive?
The biggest issue with the camera from pixel-peeping is how strongly it post-processes, is there an app that overrides this (shoot RAW)? I know Google had confirmed plans to add RAW support in Android back in November or so, hadn't read anything more recent. It would also have been nice to be able to set resolution in the native app but you can't -- using Camera Zoom FX app atm instead of the default.
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Nope there's no way to get past it, seems only Motorola can change this.
Changing bitRate of 720p to 20000000 and image quality to 99% in media_profiles.xml did the job. Obviously file sizes are now much bigger, but clearly can see the difference. :good:
Also forgot to mention audio bitRate can be improved from 128000 to 288000. If you not sure how to do this changes better leave it unchanged. You could brick your phone so probably the best is to do a backup of your android or at least of media_profiles.xml file.
eddvys said:
Changing bitRate of 720p to 20000000 and image quality to 99% in media_profiles.xml did the job. Obviously file sizes are now much bigger, but clearly can see the difference. :good:
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Can you apply this mod to the camera apk?
Inviato dal mio Super Motorola Moto G!!
Hi All
I am looking to move from a HTC One X to a Moto G. My question in on the camera is it the same or better than my current HTC One X??
jsmith_00 said:
Hi All
I am looking to move from a HTC One X to a Moto G. My question in on the camera is it the same or better than my current HTC One X??
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One X camera is better. Moto G camera is really slow and most pictures require a really steady hand. But I think it takes better low light pictures than the One X, like on the one X all low light pictures were very grainy/fuzzy so that's less out here. You'll definitely notice a bump in battery life though.
Since I did the exact move you're planning maybe a list of pros and cons of moving to moto g will help you
Pros:
Kitkat(and one more update hopefully)
Battery Life(I've got 4.5 hours of screen on time vs the 3 hours I was getting on my One X) This is the entire reason for me shift to the Moto G
Faster(?)
No random heating scenes(which wasn't really fixed on the One X)
Charges pretty quick
Cons:
Smaller Screen
Camera not as good
Prefer the slim dimensions of the One X
Camera is not good at moto g!
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some pic's with Moto G camera, the Stock Camera ( Motorola Camera )
japoina92 said:
some pic's with Moto G camera, the Stock Camera ( Motorola Camera )
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These photos look pretty good to me. I'm of the school that if you what the "best" photos, then use a camera. But for those quick, unplanned pics, your phone is always handy.
the camera on the Moto G is beyond awful
I forgot to mention, the speaker of Moto G is louder than the One X by a considerable amount.
@japoina92 those are some good pics mate. Never got a decent snap like that so far. Maybe my hands are too shaky
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Wtf it's a headcrab! Hilarious brave touching that barehandly
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You have a thread just for posting moto G pictures in "Moto G Themes and Apps" section.
Just thought I'd throw this one in here for anyone put off by Moto G camera reviews. I have had my Moto G for some time now and it remains to be a solid, reliable phone. However, a recent sale for the Lumia 925 came up so I grabbed one as it's supposed to have a decent camera on it.
Well, having done some comparisons between the two, I can categorically confirm that 9 times out of 10 the Moto G produces more well rounded images than the Lumia. Granted, at low light, the G cannot compete, but under normal lighting conditions its actually slightly better, even when zoomed in. Text is no clearer on the 925 than it is on the G. I was really surprised by this and a little gutted I even bothered with the 925. If anyone is interested, I can upload some comparisons.
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Just thought I'd throw this one in here for anyone put off by Moto G camera reviews. I have had my Moto G for some time now and it remains to be a solid, reliable phone. However, a recent sale for the Lumia 925 came up so I grabbed one as it's supposed to have a decent camera on it.
Well, having done some comparisons between the two, I can categorically confirm that 9 times out of 10 the Moto G produces more well rounded images than the Lumia. Granted, at low light, the G cannot compete, but under normal lighting conditions its actually slightly better, even when zoomed in. Text is no clearer on the 925 than it is on the G. I was really surprised by this and a little gutted I even bothered with the 925. If anyone is interested, I can upload some comparisons.
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well,that's a big surprise
nickchk said:
well,that's a big surprise
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Actually, I was a bit too hasty to post in all honesty. I've just done some further comparisons, more accurately, taking into consideration the field of view of the 925 and by transferring the images actually off the two devices and comparing them side by side on the same screen. the edge has now tipped in favor of the 925, but not by a huge degree. The brighter of the two images is the moto one.
Clivectmob said:
Actually, I was a bit too hasty to post in all honesty. I've just done some further comparisons, more accurately, taking into consideration the field of view of the 925 and by transferring the images actually off the two devices and comparing them side by side on the same screen. the edge has now tipped in favor of the 925, but not by a huge degree. The brighter of the two images is the moto one.
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well,i'm not photograph genius ,i think l925 got more detail and a bit less noise,especially by zoom in,but not by far,moto g in your picture still take a great picture. i really surprise :good:
i have to agree though,moto g not the best camera out there but sometimes,under a certain condition,it will take a great photo :highfive:
Well guys sometimes in class I have to take pictures of sombdy's else notes or a pic of something on notice board...mostly printed stuff
It shudnt be high quality....just legible
You think moto g can handle that.?
Easily. It's a capable camera, no where near as bad as had been made out.
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Can you please take a quik pic of a page from a book or magazine or something...I have already booked my Moto G (16 gb) but they sold like hot cakes over here and all stock was gone in minutes
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Can you please take a quik pic of a page from a book or magazine or something...I have already booked my Moto G (16 gb) but they sold like hot cakes over here and all stock was gone in minutes
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Pictures already posted on this forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2543003
wrj54 said:
Pictures already posted on this forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2543003
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Yeah but read my post above ...I meant as a snapshot of a printed page of a book or a notes page or something like that coz my regular usage would involve those
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Does this help? Hopefully, I uploaded the photos correct
So we've seen the hands-on videos, we've seen the specs and we've seen the release dates. We're psyched. We don't know yet if we need to choose one from the 2015 line-up or stick to what we have already/upgrade to a Moto X (2014).
It's time to discuss with fellow possessors of the Moto X line what Motorola did good in your opinion and what it did bad this year around with the Play and Style.
Personally I'm much more attracted to the Play rather than the Style but is the 615 processor much of a downgrade? It's tagged as a mid-spec phone but it's not in my eyes, and most of you can surely agree.
Camera quality has been addressed (hopefully).
Play has a whooping 3630 mah battery, so it feels like a midder-speced Droid Turbo. It even has the same weight (169 grams).
Higher screen size, higher screen to body ratio. Hopefully this won't me such a big issue as I believe Motorola made them STILL with the ergonomics in mind.
How will the build quality be? The Play version doesn't seem to resemble the X (2014) as much as the Style does in terms of aesthetics and build quality.
So...fellow citizens: Upsides, Downsides? Discuss.
I too am most interested in the Play but can't really put my finger on where the 615 stands.
I play a few, graphically not to high end games (Blek, Candy Crush,...) and have currently a Huawei P8.
If I knew the 615 performs good enough for daily stuff (maybe on par with the Nexus 5?) I'd definitely try it out...
Greets
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I too am most interested in the Play but can't really put my finger on where the 615 stands.
I play a few, graphically not to high end games (Blek, Candy Crush,...) and have currently a Huawei P8.
If I knew the 615 performs good enough for daily stuff (maybe on par with the Nexus 5?) I'd definitely try it out...
Greets
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I'm in the same boat as you. I feel the 615 should be more than enough as far as performance goes for running the browser, Google Inbox, etc. I'm not much of a mobile gamer, only really play some of the lighter games included in the last few humble bundles such as Ridiculous Fishing and Threes!.
I'm waiting on some early reviews to come in, but I really do hope that this will be the perfect phone for our use cases.
same here ... not worried about the SD 615 tho but more about build quality since i love my moto X and it's amoled display, i can live without amoled but not without a decent build quality..
the battery and the camera are huge improvents for sure that's why i'm thinking of buying one X Play ^^
I'm fairly sure the Verizon version (Turbo 2 name has already been registered) will be the one to get. It will likely be like the Play, but better cpu, wireless charging, likely qhd screen.
Only downsides are it will be a Verizon exclusive, and no unlocked bootloader.
I was reading somewhere that Motorola might want to make the X Play as the EU "version" of Droid Turbo.
lol
I will get the Moto X Play when released looks very decent! Would have been better if it had Wifi AC (Just installed a Netgear R7000 at home) but it will suffice for my needs. Will sell my Galaxy S6 before purchase. Have been looking towards chinaphones as well LEtv Le 1, Meizu Mx5 and the newly announced Sony M5 also still can't make a definitive decision can anyone help/point me in a good direction.
I mainly use the rear cam would love decent low light pics, browsing, feedly, youtube and some gaming, with minimal call and whatsapp.
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Here are some benchmarks for the Snapdragon 615, looks like a very capable SOC.
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2015/04/snapdragon-615-powered-xiaomi-mi-4i-gets-benchmarked.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-615-MSM8939-SoC.117495.0.html
Dual 4G/4G ?
Hi all,
Do you know if the moto x play is a 4G/4G dual sim?
Regards
Oby_1
Mafiatounes said:
I will get the Moto X Play when released looks very decent! Would have been better if it had Wifi AC (Just installed a Netgear R7000 at home) but it will suffice for my needs. Will sell my Galaxy S6 before purchase. Have been looking towards chinaphones as well LEtv Le 1, Meizu Mx5 and the newly announced Sony M5 also still can't make a definitive decision can anyone help/point me in a good direction.
I mainly use the rear cam would love decent low light pics, browsing, feedly, youtube and some gaming, with minimal call and whatsapp.
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You're selling your S6 to get a Motorola? I feel like that might be a downgrade...
Why?
Stock Android, better battery life, no freakin hardware button, 5,5"... That are all positive aspects I could see for him...
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Why?
Stock Android, better battery life, no freakin hardware button, 5,5"... That are all positive aspects I could see for him...
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And best of all no shizwiz, jokes apart i had a Moto G gen 1 (2y ago) and really liked it, with a stock mid range system the experience is smoother, unlike the top end hardware of the S6 that works so hard and feels sluggish
That's what 99% of the manufactorers don't get and stick to there UIs, which are all much to heavy on the hardware...
I need a new phone for my girlfriend. She had a moto g 2013, and I want to buy the moto x play..but..in Spain it costs 395 euros. I think it´s a little expensive for a midrange. So i´m considering the new xiaomi redmi note 2 with the mediatek helio x10 and only 140 euros, what do you think guys? I don´t know what to do.
What about the new moto g?
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So we've seen the hands-on videos, we've seen the specs and we've seen the release dates. We're psyched. We don't know yet if we need to choose one from the 2015 line-up or stick to what we have already/upgrade to a Moto X (2014).
It's time to discuss with fellow possessors of the Moto X line what Motorola did good in your opinion and what it did bad this year around with the Play and Style.
Personally I'm much more attracted to the Play rather than the Style but is the 615 processor much of a downgrade? It's tagged as a mid-spec phone but it's not in my eyes, and most of you can surely agree.
Camera quality has been addressed (hopefully).
Play has a whooping 3630 mah battery, so it feels like a midder-speced Droid Turbo. It even has the same weight (169 grams).
Higher screen size, higher screen to body ratio. Hopefully this won't me such a big issue as I believe Motorola made them STILL with the ergonomics in mind.
How will the build quality be? The Play version doesn't seem to resemble the X (2014) as much as the Style does in terms of aesthetics and build quality.
So...fellow citizens: Upsides, Downsides? Discuss.
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thanx:good:
The two things the play has that i like over the style are the 1080p screen and much larger battery . Those 2 combined will probably kill the style on battery life.
Dont like:
Smaller screen
No dual speakers mono only
Its not as visually appealing
Mid range processor
2gb only of ram
The small screen and lack of stereo speakers are deal breakers for me. The other stuff i could probably live with.
sent from my Nexus 6 or Note 4
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Here are some benchmarks for the Snapdragon 615, looks like a very capable SOC.
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2015/04/snapdragon-615-powered-xiaomi-mi-4i-gets-benchmarked.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-615-MSM8939-SoC.117495.0.html
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thanks for that! for my scenarios, the SD615 will do just fine (web browsing, social media, taking photos/editing, call/sms). can't wait for it to arrive, just (pre)ordered it yesterday on a german site
What I really find puzzling is the LCD screen. Why throw away the advantage of amoled in handling the active display? If it turns out to be well thought about (e.g. a mode in which the screen only turns on upon sensor activity instead of being continuously lit to display notifications) I'll be buying the play.