I'm with Verizon, I hate the bloatware they loaded on my phone.
Here are my questions:
If I go and buy an off contract phone like a Nexus5 or a MotoX, will I get updates direct from google/motorola? Or does it still get pushed out by my carrier?
I won't be limited for google wallet use (meaning no isis)?
It won't be loaded with bloatware?
I just got a Nexus7 (1st Gen, great price and performance for me) and think its wonderful and smooth. I want the same experience in a phone.
Thanks,
Yes to all of that, unless you consider Google apps bloatware. It's a Nexus...free and clear of carrier...
You do know that the nexus doesn't work on verizon though?
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Nexus updates are pushed by Google.
The moto x updates are run through the carrier first.
You can use Google wallet tap to pay on both devices.
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@Mods, this is a thread about the Nexus line in general, even if I am referencing the Galaxy Nexus. Please don't move.
Not sure if anyone else is following the official unveiling of the Verizon Galaxy Nexus, but it is a Verizon-branded, Verizon-bloatware phone (2 Verizon apps. Whether it's "bloatware" or not, that's semantics; they shouldn't be there).
The question at hand is whether updates are still pushed from Google, and not through Verizon. The fact that it's a carrier subsidized and carrier-branded phone with two carrier-related apps makes it possible that it updates may have to go through Verizon first. This would defeat the purpose of what the Nexus line is supposed to be, if true.
Yet the bigger question is: What does a Nexus phone represent now? Many are up in arms about it, and it's a question for all Nexus fans/users.
My understanding is that the Sprint Nexus S 4G also includes Sprint apps. What is happening with the Nexus line? Is Google changing what it represents and means?
I can't speak for all and I have the nexus s 4g SPRINT and well I was only stock for like 15 mins but we don't have ANY sprint bloat
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@Mods, this is a thread about the Nexus line in general, even if I am referencing the Galaxy Nexus. Please don't move.
Not sure if anyone else is following the official unveiling of the Verizon Galaxy Nexus, but it is a Verizon-branded, Verizon-bloatware phone (2 Verizon apps. Whether it's "bloatware" or not, that's semantics; they shouldn't be there).
The question at hand is whether updates are still pushed from Google, and not through Verizon. The fact that it's a carrier subsidized and carrier-branded phone with two carrier-related apps makes it possible that it updates may have to go through Verizon first. This would defeat the purpose of what the Nexus line is supposed to be, if true.
Yet the bigger question is: What does a Nexus phone represent now? Many are up in arms about it, and it's a question for all Nexus fans/users.
My understanding is that the Sprint Nexus S 4G also includes Sprint apps. What is happening with the Nexus line? Is Google changing what it represents and means?
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I can't speak for all and I have the nexus s 4g SPRINT and well I was only stock for like 15 mins but we don't have ANY sprint bloat
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I could be mistaken. Thanks for clarifying. That's good.
The NS4G includes some special sprint apks with functionality to allow flashing the PRL and profile. I don't see why it's out of the question to have the Verizon Galaxy Nexus support similar stuff.
ICS has functionality to disable built-in applications on /system if you don't want them anyway.
The Nexus line receives it's updates from google servers, but they still have to go through all the regular carrier testing that phones receive. That's how it's always been. Do you think the carriers would really want an update to a phone to wreck havok on their network? It's not like these updates are trivial.
fastboot oem unlock
REALLY?
ICS has a new feature to disable apps.
That said if you buy a dev phone you will format and flash anyway so who cares? Not me anyway.
I'm unprepared to speak on the state of the Nexus before I even hold the new one in my hand. As a T-Mobile customer, the launch has been disappointing, but only as much so as it was for customers of every other carrier when the Nexus S launched.
I wouldn't say the nexus line is dead more than its not in the spot light
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We have never had a Nexus phone launch with a carrier partner before, so we have nothing to compare it to.
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The Nexus line receives it's updates from google servers, but they still have to go through all the regular carrier testing that phones receive. That's how it's always been. Do you think the carriers would really want an update to a phone to wreck havok on their network? It's not like these updates are trivial.
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That's NOT how it works. Maybe for certain carriers. I know for a fact that T-Mobile does not recognize the Nexus S as a phone they support/sell. When i was grabbing one back last December, they made it clear to me over the phone that they offer ZERO support for the phone or any of its problems (reboot 5 times a day, anyone?) All "support" comes from the phone's radios ability to communicate on T-Mo towers, and Google's OTA updates, which I think we can agree were shoddy at best. T-Mo doesn't want to have anything to do with the NS updates.
Sprint, on the other hand, has some updates they perform on their end. It's all carrier-dependent. The idea of the perfect Nexus line staying completely pure went to hell when the NS4G was released, and when Google decided to screw over GSM Nexus S users with the Google Wallet thing. Don't think for a second that there wasn't money changing hands over that 4g exlusive release.
I think, in this case, Verizon's just being dicks as usual and strong-arming everyone. Google could have told them to stick it where the sun dont shine, but would have missed out on the biggest portion of the market in the US.
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Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone.
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Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone.
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The Galaxy nexus is launching in Canada on Bell. So there will be a Galaxy nexus with AT&T compatible frequencies.
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Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone
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So far I have no reason to be concerned about it. First of all, the merger may well not go through. Second, if it does go through, there's no way it will before the middle of next year. Third, even if there are no further technical, business, or legal issues from that point on it's highly unlikely they'll start disassembling the T-Mobile network for at least a few months after the deal closes. Fourth, it's part of the merger terms that T-Mobile customers will get new phones when the switch happens. Fifth, since the GSM Galaxy Nexus works on AT&T and T-Mobile bands, there's a good chance it will work on a combined network anyway.
So I wouldn't go so far as to mute your cautionary note- even with those caveats there are still important concerns- but I would perhaps turn it down a notch or two.
Isn't the GSM version quad band anyway?
Yeah it probably will work on both carriers. Good point there. So that part of my argument I guess is moot.
I still stand by my opinion on the TRUE Nexus experience having disappeared when the NS4G came out.
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Isn't the GSM version quad band anyway?
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The Galaxy Nexus is the first pentaband phone running Android. It will run on any GSM 3G network in the world.
Wait a sec though.....thats 3g. NOT 4g. What's the deal with HSPA+ compatibility bands? I guess I'm not QUITE ready to ditch the ATT/T-Mo issue yet.
It's pentaband hspa+ which by default means it will also be pentaband 3g
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there are also confirming some GN are coming SIM LOCKED! by the carriers
bloatware + SIM locking is everything against the basic ideal behind Nexus
so, in a way, seems like Nexus is slowly fading away... it just seems to stand for new AOSP now, no more of its original self
even the hardware has been sucking since Nexus S
it's sinking into a mere reference phone for development
In the US, the average consumer prefers the carrier-subsidized model, they have shown this with their wallets.
Nexus One tried selling from just a website.
Nexus S tried selling in a big box retailer.
Galaxy Nexus is now carrier-subsidized, carrier-branded.
As I think irishrally already said, as long as fastboot oem unlock is enabled, just accept that as all we really want anway
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That's NOT how it works. Maybe for certain carriers. I know for a fact that T-Mobile does not recognize the Nexus S as a phone they support/sell. When i was grabbing one back last December, they made it clear to me over the phone that they offer ZERO support for the phone or any of its problems (reboot 5 times a day, anyone?) All "support" comes from the phone's radios ability to communicate on T-Mo towers, and Google's OTA updates, which I think we can agree were shoddy at best. T-Mo doesn't want to have anything to do with the NS updates.
Sprint, on the other hand, has some updates they perform on their end. It's all carrier-dependent. The idea of the perfect Nexus line staying completely pure went to hell when the NS4G was released, and when Google decided to screw over GSM Nexus S users with the Google Wallet thing. Don't think for a second that there wasn't money changing hands over that 4g exlusive release.
I think, in this case, Verizon's just being dicks as usual and strong-arming everyone. Google could have told them to stick it where the sun dont shine, but would have missed out on the biggest portion of the market in the US.
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Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone.
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I really hope sprint didn't waste money on wallet 4g users are such a small subset I think its a small beta and with sprint nit having many people soo
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Over at the Galaxy Nexus forums people are concerned that since the Verizon version of the Galaxy Nexus seems to come with the My Verizon Wireless app preinstalled in the /system partition, this means Verizon will provide updates to the device, not Google directly. Then somebody mentioned that his/her T-Mobile Nexus S comes with My T-Mobile app preinstalled in the /system partition too. Is there any truth to this? It would be good news for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus if in the past Google had included carrier-specific apps in /system and was still able to provide direct updates to that device.
I don't know about the T-Mobile one but my at&t version has no carrier brand stuff in it stock...I did download the myat&t app but it is not apart of the system.
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No preinstalled T-Mobile apps on my i9020T. Someone probably downloaded it after.
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Chirality said:
Over at the Galaxy Nexus forums people are concerned that since the Verizon version of the Galaxy Nexus seems to come with the My Verizon Wireless app preinstalled in the /system partition, this means Verizon will provide updates to the device, not Google directly. Then somebody mentioned that his/her T-Mobile Nexus S comes with My T-Mobile app preinstalled in the /system partition too. Is there any truth to this? It would be good news for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus if in the past Google had included carrier-specific apps in /system and was still able to provide direct updates to that device.
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I don't think this will have any effect on the distribution of updates.
The Vodafone Nexus One had carrier input on the updates (which did delay the updates) but they were distributed through Google still.
I would suspect that Verizon will supply the packages to Google to bundle with the update and they will be distributed as such.
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No preinstalled T-Mobile apps on my i9020T. Someone probably downloaded it after.
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The i9020T is the unlocked, generic version right?
Was there a T-Mobile specific version? If I remember correctly T-Mobile never sold it but I think BestBuy sold a T-Mobile subsidized version?
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The i9020T is the unlocked, generic version right?
Was there a T-Mobile specific version? If I remember correctly T-Mobile never sold it but I think BestBuy sold a T-Mobile subsidized version?
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The subsidized and unsubsidized were identical - it was literally the same device. No bloat on it at all.
T-Mobile never sold it so it wouldn't make sense to include T-Mobile software.
are there any branded nexus models or are they all unbranded no matter what network they come on?
also i hear hangouts is massively annoying being the sms app. will installing the 4.3 sms app work?
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Google Play Store selling 2 unbranded variants - one for the Americas and one for the rest of the planet (Euro & Asia) due to bands used by carriers, that's far less than the iOS products sold for their eco systems. And, both are unlocked - there are unconfirmed rumors that those sold directly by Sprint (with CDMA/LTE bands) might - MIGHT - have extra bloats loaded as they resell them with a highly marked up price for postpaid contract customers.
Otherwise, mine came from Google directly and running T-Mobile USA sim, and there is nothing else on it.
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Google Play Store selling 2 unbranded variants - one for the Americas and one for the rest of the planet (Euro & Asia) due to bands used by carriers, that's far less than the iOS products sold for their eco systems. And, both are unlocked - there are unconfirmed rumors that those sold directly by Sprint (with CDMA/LTE bands) might - MIGHT - have extra bloats loaded as they resell them with a highly marked up price for postpaid contract customers.
Otherwise, mine came from Google directly and running T-Mobile USA sim, and there is nothing else on it.
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I have a Sprint Nexus 4 on T-mobile. Same exact phone. Same model number, same build number, and 100% factory unlocked with ZERO bloat. So that rumor is confirmed. I also got best buy to price match the play store price.
so hopefully it won't matter what network i go on, the phone should be bloatware free?
do you have any regrets getting it?
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I am eligible to upgrade my S3 to a Nexus 5 for $65.00 through Rogers.
Do the carrier versions vary from the Google Play ones at all? Is there Rogers bloatware on the device? Can I flash any ROM and perform anything on the device the exact same as if it were purchased from the Google Play store?
Secondly, I know that this may vary from carrier to carrier, but if I upgrade the device, will my contract start over again? I really don't want to deal with Rogers anymore.
Thanks!
MeS117 said:
I am eligible to upgrade my S3 to a Nexus 5 for $65.00 through Rogers.
Do the carrier versions vary from the Google Play ones at all? Is there Rogers bloatware on the device? Can I flash any ROM and perform anything on the device the exact same as if it were purchased from the Google Play store?
Secondly, I know that this may vary from carrier to carrier, but if I upgrade the device, will my contract start over again? I really don't want to deal with Rogers anymore.
Thanks!
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All Nexus 5's *should be unlocked and Creepy carrier name free cough *rogers*
no bloatware.
MeS117 said:
I am eligible to upgrade my S3 to a Nexus 5 for $65.00 through Rogers.
Do the carrier versions vary from the Google Play ones at all? Is there Rogers bloatware on the device? Can I flash any ROM and perform anything on the device the exact same as if it were purchased from the Google Play store?
Secondly, I know that this may vary from carrier to carrier, but if I upgrade the device, will my contract start over again? I really don't want to deal with Rogers anymore.
Thanks!
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The Nexus 5 is unlocked and free of bloatware no matter what carrier it's on and of course if Roger is willing to give you the N5 for $65.00 that means that they want you to sign some sort of contract for a year or 2.
Remember this phone is $350 (16gb) and $400 (32gb) so obviously you will have to sign a contract.
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The Nexus 5 is unlocked and free of bloatware no matter what carrier it's on and of course if Roger is willing to give you the N5 for $65.00 that means that they want you to sign some sort of contract for a year or 2.
Remember this phone is $350 (16gb) and $400 (32gb) so obviously you will have to sign a contract.
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Thank you
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Thank you
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You're welcome.
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Its not like there isn't 15 different threads about the exact same thing....next time search
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laker666 said:
Its not like there isn't 15 different threads about the exact same thing....next time search
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I tried searching things like 'nexus 5 carrier vs google play', 'nexus 5 att vs google play', 'nexus 5 carrier version', as well as search the first three pages of the forum, and could not find a thread that related to mine.
Thanks for the useful reply though. Especially your link to the others threads for future reference. I really appreciate it.
I read somewhere saying that Samsung is rolling out Lollipop to all LTE models in the USA. My question is, will this update roll out work like it does for phones....meaning will this update have to go to the carrier first and then to the users? I hate to lose root, but I'm really hoping the update will improve performance. I bought the note pro the day it hit the stores and I am in bad need of better performance.
Please chime in on what you know about this update.
Thanks in advance.
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I read somewhere saying that Samsung is rolling out Lollipop to all LTE models in the USA. My question is, will this update roll out work like it does for phones....meaning will this update have to go to the carrier first and then to the users? I hate to lose root, but I'm really hoping the update will improve performance. I bought the note pro the day it hit the stores and I am in bad need of better performance.
Please chime in on what you know about this update.
Thanks in advance.
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I guess I'm the only one who has an AT&T LTE version of the note pro. I guess the MOD can go ahead and remove this post being that it appears to be a space waster.
Thanks
You're not the only one with the device. Other than iPhones, I believe AT&T always gets the updates from the manufacturers and then adds their bloat before releasing via OTA.
I've got one and have been waiting too, don't know what's going to happen to root. Adding more apps into multi screen is really all i need root for anymore. I used to use it for controllers for games, but haven't used that in awhile.
It sucks being an AT&T kid huh? boooo, we get no love, lol Damn you AT&T!!!!!!
AT&T fail - January 2016 and still no update
If AT&T can't update in a timely manor, they need to stop selling devices.
I'm never buying from AT&T again.
Once Google fiber rolls to Atlanta, I'll be 100% free from the clutches of AT&T.
If they are not selling to you, they are selling you.
I bet the NSA is AT&Ts only repeat customer.
AT&T pushed the Lollipop update quite awhile ago.