@Mods, this is a thread about the Nexus line in general, even if I am referencing the Galaxy Nexus. Please don't move.
Not sure if anyone else is following the official unveiling of the Verizon Galaxy Nexus, but it is a Verizon-branded, Verizon-bloatware phone (2 Verizon apps. Whether it's "bloatware" or not, that's semantics; they shouldn't be there).
The question at hand is whether updates are still pushed from Google, and not through Verizon. The fact that it's a carrier subsidized and carrier-branded phone with two carrier-related apps makes it possible that it updates may have to go through Verizon first. This would defeat the purpose of what the Nexus line is supposed to be, if true.
Yet the bigger question is: What does a Nexus phone represent now? Many are up in arms about it, and it's a question for all Nexus fans/users.
My understanding is that the Sprint Nexus S 4G also includes Sprint apps. What is happening with the Nexus line? Is Google changing what it represents and means?
I can't speak for all and I have the nexus s 4g SPRINT and well I was only stock for like 15 mins but we don't have ANY sprint bloat
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@Mods, this is a thread about the Nexus line in general, even if I am referencing the Galaxy Nexus. Please don't move.
Not sure if anyone else is following the official unveiling of the Verizon Galaxy Nexus, but it is a Verizon-branded, Verizon-bloatware phone (2 Verizon apps. Whether it's "bloatware" or not, that's semantics; they shouldn't be there).
The question at hand is whether updates are still pushed from Google, and not through Verizon. The fact that it's a carrier subsidized and carrier-branded phone with two carrier-related apps makes it possible that it updates may have to go through Verizon first. This would defeat the purpose of what the Nexus line is supposed to be, if true.
Yet the bigger question is: What does a Nexus phone represent now? Many are up in arms about it, and it's a question for all Nexus fans/users.
My understanding is that the Sprint Nexus S 4G also includes Sprint apps. What is happening with the Nexus line? Is Google changing what it represents and means?
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I can't speak for all and I have the nexus s 4g SPRINT and well I was only stock for like 15 mins but we don't have ANY sprint bloat
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I could be mistaken. Thanks for clarifying. That's good.
The NS4G includes some special sprint apks with functionality to allow flashing the PRL and profile. I don't see why it's out of the question to have the Verizon Galaxy Nexus support similar stuff.
ICS has functionality to disable built-in applications on /system if you don't want them anyway.
The Nexus line receives it's updates from google servers, but they still have to go through all the regular carrier testing that phones receive. That's how it's always been. Do you think the carriers would really want an update to a phone to wreck havok on their network? It's not like these updates are trivial.
fastboot oem unlock
REALLY?
ICS has a new feature to disable apps.
That said if you buy a dev phone you will format and flash anyway so who cares? Not me anyway.
I'm unprepared to speak on the state of the Nexus before I even hold the new one in my hand. As a T-Mobile customer, the launch has been disappointing, but only as much so as it was for customers of every other carrier when the Nexus S launched.
I wouldn't say the nexus line is dead more than its not in the spot light
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We have never had a Nexus phone launch with a carrier partner before, so we have nothing to compare it to.
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The Nexus line receives it's updates from google servers, but they still have to go through all the regular carrier testing that phones receive. That's how it's always been. Do you think the carriers would really want an update to a phone to wreck havok on their network? It's not like these updates are trivial.
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That's NOT how it works. Maybe for certain carriers. I know for a fact that T-Mobile does not recognize the Nexus S as a phone they support/sell. When i was grabbing one back last December, they made it clear to me over the phone that they offer ZERO support for the phone or any of its problems (reboot 5 times a day, anyone?) All "support" comes from the phone's radios ability to communicate on T-Mo towers, and Google's OTA updates, which I think we can agree were shoddy at best. T-Mo doesn't want to have anything to do with the NS updates.
Sprint, on the other hand, has some updates they perform on their end. It's all carrier-dependent. The idea of the perfect Nexus line staying completely pure went to hell when the NS4G was released, and when Google decided to screw over GSM Nexus S users with the Google Wallet thing. Don't think for a second that there wasn't money changing hands over that 4g exlusive release.
I think, in this case, Verizon's just being dicks as usual and strong-arming everyone. Google could have told them to stick it where the sun dont shine, but would have missed out on the biggest portion of the market in the US.
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Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone.
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Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone.
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The Galaxy nexus is launching in Canada on Bell. So there will be a Galaxy nexus with AT&T compatible frequencies.
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Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone
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So far I have no reason to be concerned about it. First of all, the merger may well not go through. Second, if it does go through, there's no way it will before the middle of next year. Third, even if there are no further technical, business, or legal issues from that point on it's highly unlikely they'll start disassembling the T-Mobile network for at least a few months after the deal closes. Fourth, it's part of the merger terms that T-Mobile customers will get new phones when the switch happens. Fifth, since the GSM Galaxy Nexus works on AT&T and T-Mobile bands, there's a good chance it will work on a combined network anyway.
So I wouldn't go so far as to mute your cautionary note- even with those caveats there are still important concerns- but I would perhaps turn it down a notch or two.
Isn't the GSM version quad band anyway?
Yeah it probably will work on both carriers. Good point there. So that part of my argument I guess is moot.
I still stand by my opinion on the TRUE Nexus experience having disappeared when the NS4G came out.
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Isn't the GSM version quad band anyway?
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The Galaxy Nexus is the first pentaband phone running Android. It will run on any GSM 3G network in the world.
Wait a sec though.....thats 3g. NOT 4g. What's the deal with HSPA+ compatibility bands? I guess I'm not QUITE ready to ditch the ATT/T-Mo issue yet.
It's pentaband hspa+ which by default means it will also be pentaband 3g
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there are also confirming some GN are coming SIM LOCKED! by the carriers
bloatware + SIM locking is everything against the basic ideal behind Nexus
so, in a way, seems like Nexus is slowly fading away... it just seems to stand for new AOSP now, no more of its original self
even the hardware has been sucking since Nexus S
it's sinking into a mere reference phone for development
In the US, the average consumer prefers the carrier-subsidized model, they have shown this with their wallets.
Nexus One tried selling from just a website.
Nexus S tried selling in a big box retailer.
Galaxy Nexus is now carrier-subsidized, carrier-branded.
As I think irishrally already said, as long as fastboot oem unlock is enabled, just accept that as all we really want anway
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That's NOT how it works. Maybe for certain carriers. I know for a fact that T-Mobile does not recognize the Nexus S as a phone they support/sell. When i was grabbing one back last December, they made it clear to me over the phone that they offer ZERO support for the phone or any of its problems (reboot 5 times a day, anyone?) All "support" comes from the phone's radios ability to communicate on T-Mo towers, and Google's OTA updates, which I think we can agree were shoddy at best. T-Mo doesn't want to have anything to do with the NS updates.
Sprint, on the other hand, has some updates they perform on their end. It's all carrier-dependent. The idea of the perfect Nexus line staying completely pure went to hell when the NS4G was released, and when Google decided to screw over GSM Nexus S users with the Google Wallet thing. Don't think for a second that there wasn't money changing hands over that 4g exlusive release.
I think, in this case, Verizon's just being dicks as usual and strong-arming everyone. Google could have told them to stick it where the sun dont shine, but would have missed out on the biggest portion of the market in the US.
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Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone.
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I really hope sprint didn't waste money on wallet 4g users are such a small subset I think its a small beta and with sprint nit having many people soo
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Just wondering if Google will try again to have this new Nexus out on all 4 major carriers? That would be perfect and bring some much needed competition in the market. If your favorite phone is available on all carriers then you just chosse the best service and price. I think Apple should that too with their iPhones. Would force carriers to be better priced.
But specifically wondering if Sprint will get the Nexus-S soon? I dumped my EVO for the N-S and love the phone just not thrilled with T-Mobile spotty service and practically no service inside my house or other buildings. Where as the EVO worked non stop perfect inside anywhere even basements.
Thank you.
Very unlikely since the whole "Nexus" brand was to deliver a device that's unlocked, and supports international bands, therefore it's GSM.
It's unlikely, but I have my fingers crossed!
One of the reasons I think Google went with Samsung with this Nexus is because HTC failed to deliver on their main goal for the Nexus One: to create a carrier-ambiguous device that can be used on any carrier(obviously a CDMA version on CDMA network, and GSM on GSM network blahblahbalh).
Samsung proved that they had that ability to bring their Galaxy S lineup to each major carrier.
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It's unlikely, but I have my fingers crossed!
One of the reasons I think Google went with Samsung with this Nexus is because HTC failed to deliver on their main goal for the Nexus One: to create a carrier-ambiguous device that can be used on any carrier(obviously a CDMA version on CDMA network, and GSM on GSM network blahblahbalh).
Samsung proved that they had that ability to bring their Galaxy S lineup to each major carrier.
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I'd love a Nexus S type device on Verizon.
Do you think Google blamed HTC for not delivering a CDMA phone? I always thought HTC just made the phone, and Google worried about getting it "out there." I thought Verizon just wasn't interested, at the time, in a phone that Verizon didn't control the software on; that's always been a major complaint with VZW by geeks (like me) who want to control what's on their phone and what's not.
On sprint I have the ns with a keyboard, but sprint is so slow delivering updates compared to google that we're all still waiting for 2.2, let alone 2.3
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On sprint I have the ns with a keyboard, but sprint is so slow delivering updates compared to google that we're all still waiting for 2.2, let alone 2.3
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Yeah, that's the allure of the actual NS over any of the Galaxy S phones (Epic, Vibrant, i9000, Fascinate, Captivate), the direct AOSP first and fast from Google, and written specifically to that hardware.
The build quality and "feel" of my NS is far superior to my i9000, not that it's bad in the other devices, but they really got it right with the NS.
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On sprint I have the ns with a keyboard, but sprint is so slow delivering updates compared to google that we're all still waiting for 2.2, let alone 2.3
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Not if you're on a rooted Epic we're not
http://www.talkandroid.com/65267-fu...xy-nexus-revealed-verizon-exclusive-and-more/
Huge screen. Small battery capacity. I'm sure it feels good in hand.
Edit: please delete if already posted.
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Battery life is probably gonna suck. But what's up with it being a Verizon exclusive? If that's true, that's terrible. It should be unlocked for GSM like the other two nexus phones. Disappointing
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I just don't get the data caps. Seems to me, and I'm no genius, if carriers increase capacity, they could charge for unlimited data. A friend with an iPhone(att) is asking me about Sprint and is this || close to switching to the Nexus S 4G. He told me that he doesnt like that he cant use his device the way its meant to be used because of the 2GB cap. Caps just seem so...2005.
But I digress, I'm anxious to see real world performance on this thing.
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Battery life is probably gonna suck. But what's up with it being a Verizon exclusive? If that's true, that's terrible. It should be unlocked for GSM like the other two nexus phones. Disappointing
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There almost undoubtedly will be a GSM version. Do you really think Samsung is going to make a device like this and exclude the rest of the world - when both previous Nexus devices shipped as world phones?
Toss in the "confirmed" specs listing LTE/HSPA depending on carrier and you have your confirmation a GSM version will be produced. How or when it's sold within the US is another question. Verizon may have a launch exclusive, but you will see a GSM version. It's possible it may not be carrier subsidized in the US (I doubt that) or that it may merely be delayed to a later release date.
sprint also seems to be the new tmobile, adopting everything google. i cant imagine the prime not coming to sprint. i may pick up a epic touch to hold me off for a while. that is unless we get a leak of ics. that will hold me off till the prime.
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There almost undoubtedly will be a GSM version. Do you really think Samsung is going to make a device like this and exclude the rest of the world - when both previous Nexus devices shipped as world phones?
Toss in the "confirmed" specs listing LTE/HSPA depending on carrier and you have your confirmation a GSM version will be produced. How or when it's sold within the US is another question. Verizon may have a launch exclusive, but you will see a GSM version. It's possible it may not be carrier subsidized in the US (I doubt that) or that it may merely be delayed to a later release date.
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And its rocking the PowerVR SGX540. Frankly, I wanted the OMAP4470 for the SGX544 and the Dual-channel LPDDR2 memory.
I'm going to be disappointed if the phone is that big.... or maybe its a 4 inch phone like the Nexus S but with a bigger screen to accommodate for having no touch sensitive keys..... I hope that's the case... I don't want a tablet, I want a smartphone.
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Actually, there's also another rumour for the specs of this phone
- dual-core 1.5GHz Exynos
- dual-core PowerVR SGX543MP2
- 8 megapixels camera
- 2,050mAh battery
http://www.gsmarena.com/source_close_to_google_reveals_real_nexus_prime_specs-news-3239.php
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/06/samsung-galaxy-nexus-specs-leak-headed-to-verizon-as-an-exclusi/
So, I've been running 4.03 with the UCKF1 radio since December, but I'm really wanting a stock update from Google. Why haven't they released anything for the 9020a at all? It's just a different radio from the 9020T and now the 9020T has seen 2 ICS revisions, while if I chose to only use the official OTA process, I'd still be on GB. Is Google finally going to release something for the 9020a now?
I don't believe anyone here can answer you with 100% certainty.
I still believe however that if we didn't see a release, there's a reason. But people aren't too good at the waiting game.
I'm starting to think 9020A may not be a nexus.
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I am pretty sure you won't see a difference. Might as well stick with what you have. Also 4.0.4 is out too
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Waiting for 4.0.4 for my nexus s...
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i don't undestand why manufacturers hates "a" versions, already happened to me with a Sony E. X10 "A" version, never was updated correctly.
well it just a matter to wait and see....
According to JBQ, Google is waiting for Operator Approval. Same thing with Sprint...
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i don't undestand why manufacturers hates "a" versions, already happened to me with a Sony E. X10 "A" version, never was updated correctly.
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Google is waiting for AT&T's approval before the i9020a release. At least that is what JBQ from Google implied today.
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Google is waiting for AT&T's approval before the i9020a release. At least that is what JBQ from Google implied today.
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Probably waiting for a new CarrierIQ binary
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Probably waiting for a new CarrierIQ binary
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AT&T doesn't have anything to do with the software. They are just sent the ROMs for testing. Unless you are implying Google is adding it to Nexus devices?
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Probably waiting for a new CarrierIQ binary
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At times like this I really do hate the North American carriers. I was pretty misinformed up to this point as to the nature of android updates on the nexus phones. I was always under this blissfully ignorant impression that it was fully under google's control to push updates at their sole discretion. Sort of like the advertising led me to believe.
So now that false belief has become painfully apparent to me, replaced with the knowledge that the carriers still have the ultimate say.
I doubt very much now that this update will be seen any time soon OTA in Canada if Telus has any say in the matter. Hopefully AT&T will authorize it soon so we can at least get a factory image we can flash ourselves.
Yes this wait is hella annoying especilly since i've been forced to use i9020t as base for mine but for those who are adventurous you can download the factory image for the i9020t from https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/soju-imm76d-factory-ca4ae9ee.tgz and slectively flash boot.img and system.img.
You just need to unlock bootloader (backup first it wipes device) download the archive, extract the boot.img and system.img and flash them.
The commands are:
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot flash system system.img
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Can't tell if trolling or not.....
What else is there that would require carrier approval?
Then again, perhaps the carriers selling the 9020A have been diligently testing a new radio file over the last three and a half months.
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They need to test a new radio because the at&t radios are slow on 3g. I have to use the older kb3 radio just to get barely usable 3g speed
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I made an XDA account just to comment on this issue.
When I bought my i9020a Nexus S from AT&T, I was under the impression that the only difference between this and the T-Mobile model was the radio/antenna. I was also under the impression that updates would be carrier-agnostic, since it is a Nexus device after all.
So why the hell does T-Mobile always get the updates instantly, seemingly not having to wait for approval? T-Mobile is a carrier just like AT&T, but it seems like T-Mobile users don't have to wait for carrier approval like we do on AT&T.
What is there to approve? Is approval from AT&T really necessary for changing the radio file?
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I made an XDA account just to comment on this issue.
When I bought my i9020a Nexus S from AT&T, I was under the impression that the only difference between this and the T-Mobile model was the radio/antenna. I was also under the impression that updates would be carrier-agnostic, since it is a Nexus device after all.
So why the hell does T-Mobile always get the updates instantly, seemingly not having to wait for approval? T-Mobile is a carrier just like AT&T, but it seems like T-Mobile users don't have to wait for carrier approval like we do on AT&T.
What is there to approve? Is approval from AT&T really necessary for changing the radio file?
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You'll excuse carriers for not wanting to cripple their networks because some radios might be misbehaving...
Seriously, I don't get it. Why so impatient? Is anyone in a life or death situation regarding the ICS release?
Not too long ago, everyone found GB to be nice and dandy, now everyone wants to flee from it like the plague. The update will come in due time, and I for one largely prefer a polished version rather than one with issues.
So far the ICS release has seen enough bugs, some that even warranted a pull on the plug. I don't feel the rush to upgrade to something that won't work right...
My 2 cents
So all of us using a 9020a on a carrier other that AT&T are at the mercy of AT&T when it comes to updates on our Nexus phones? That wasn't what I signed up for when I chose a Google branded device on my Canadian carrier...
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Seriously, I don't get it. Why so impatient? Is anyone in a life or death situation regarding the ICS release?
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I don't think there would be as much outrage if ICS hadn't been released for any version of the Nexus S yet.
It's not that people are upset that they don't have ICS; they're upset because some versions of the Nexus S have gotten updates while theirs have not.
Google promoted the Nexus line of phones as getting updates "as soon as they are available," because the updates are independent of the carriers, since they're supposed to come directly from Google. People were sold on the promise that there wouldn't be several months of delays between new Android versions and Nexus phone updates because it was a "pure Google" phone.
The news that apparently the carriers need to "approve" Nexus builds before Google pushes them out flies in the face of what Google told people they were getting.
The T-Mobile Nexus S now has 4.0.4, and my AT&T Nexus S doesn't even have 2.3.6 yet. So much for always having the latest available version.
That's why people are upset.
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So all of us using a 9020a on a carrier other that AT&T are at the mercy of AT&T when it comes to updates on our Nexus phones? That wasn't what I signed up for when I chose a Google branded device on my Canadian carrier...
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The delay is probably not just AT&T. Canadian carriers are known for taking longer to test updates than even AT&T. Who exactly Google is waiting on right now is not exactly clear.
Hi, Im looking for some understanding between the T-Mobile Nexus 5 and the Unlocked Google Play Nexus 5.
I know that it is possible that several iterations of these type of explanations have gone on buried in these forums but I don't have much time to read through and have an in-depth understanding. I plan to buy one of these two versions today or tomorrow. Can someone explain the advantages and disadvantages of owning each of them with respect to the dev community? I used to install a lot of custom roms and nightlies on my previous nexus phones. If it is seen that the unlocked version has more development (which I'm sure it does) Ill will buy that but I will be on tmobile anyway. Thanks for your time. Please don't get upset at my post, I understand why people my be upset.
As you can see by my signature, its outdated. I currently own a Moto X which has little dev support on the bootloader locked versions. Looking to get into flashing again. The reason for this post is that somehow its cheaper for me to get the T-mobile version, but If the development section is in favor of the unlocked version, then I rather spend the extra money.
They're the exact same.
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No difference. Same phone
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Identical. Clones. One and the same. Indistinguishable.
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Look the same even in the mirror!
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No.. one has led on the right
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Ok, from what I I'm seeing, it is unatimous that they possess the same hardware and software components. I was informed by T-Mobile when I called that the reason their version cost more money was that it is LTE capable or 4g, some bs they were telling me. Wont this affect the rome I would have to use, are the rot methods and unlock methods as well as rome the same? Like I can run a rom for the nexus 5 unlocked ON the T-Mo version?
Thanks brews
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Ok, from what I I'm seeing, it is unatimous that they possess the same hardware and software components. I was informed by T-Mobile when I called that the reason their version cost more money was that it is LTE capable or 4g, some bs they were telling me. Wont this affect the rome I would have to use, are the rot methods and unlock methods as well as rome the same? Like I can run a rom for the nexus 5 unlocked ON the T-Mo version?
Thanks brews
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I'm getting the T-Mobile version of the Nexus 5 tomorrow while it's $0 down and it's only $50 more total than on the Play Store. But the firmware across all variants are the same bro. There all unlocked and there is no difference in all versions from all the carriers.
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Ok, from what I I'm seeing, it is unatimous that they possess the same hardware and software components. I was informed by T-Mobile when I called that the reason their version cost more money was that it is LTE capable or 4g, some bs they were telling me. Wont this affect the rome I would have to use, are the rot methods and unlock methods as well as rome the same? Like I can run a rom for the nexus 5 unlocked ON the T-Mo version?
Thanks brews
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It's the same like everyone said. Who are you gonna believe xda members in the know or Tmobile sales reps that just know how to sell?
mikeacela said:
Ok, from what I I'm seeing, it is unatimous that they possess the same hardware and software components. I was informed by T-Mobile when I called that the reason their version cost more money was that it is LTE capable or 4g, some bs they were telling me. Wont this affect the rome I would have to use, are the rot methods and unlock methods as well as rome the same? Like I can run a rom for the nexus 5 unlocked ON the T-Mo version?
Thanks brews
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They all have 4G lte
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Nocturnal86 said:
It's the same like everyone said. Who are you gonna believe xda members in the know or Tmobile sales reps that just know how to sell?
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Lol I believe you guys, thats why I asked, T-Mo reps near me don't know anything
jbreeze228 said:
I'm getting the T-Mobile version of the Nexus 5 tomorrow while it's $0 down and it's only $50 more total than on the Play Store. But the firmware across all variants are the same bro. There all unlocked and there is no difference in all versions from all the carriers.
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Thanks guy, getting mine tomorrow as well! can't wait to start flashing again!
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Ok, from what I I'm seeing, it is unatimous that they possess the same hardware and software components. I was informed by T-Mobile when I called that the reason their version cost more money was that it is LTE capable or 4g, some bs they were telling me. Wont this affect the rome I would have to use, are the rot methods and unlock methods as well as rome the same? Like I can run a rom for the nexus 5 unlocked ON the T-Mo version?
Thanks brews
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They are all the same. There are no AT&T, T-Mobile, or Spring variants. A Nexus is a Nexus, all pure Google. The T-Mobile rep that told you otherwise was lying to you to get you to buy a device at a markup from them.
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Ok, from what I I'm seeing, it is unatimous that they possess the same hardware and software components. I was informed by T-Mobile when I called that the reason their version cost more money was that it is LTE capable or 4g, some bs they were telling me. Wont this affect the rome I would have to use, are the rot methods and unlock methods as well as rome the same? Like I can run a rom for the nexus 5 unlocked ON the T-Mo version?
Thanks brews
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All I have to say is "lol... Uninformed salesmen".
They all have LTE there's no difference
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At least you came here first.
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Hi, Im looking for some understanding between the T-Mobile Nexus 5 and the Unlocked Google Play Nexus 5.
I know that it is possible that several iterations of these type of explanations have gone on buried in these forums but I don't have much time to read through and have an in-depth understanding. I plan to buy one of these two versions today or tomorrow. Can someone explain the advantages and disadvantages of owning each of them with respect to the dev community? I used to install a lot of custom roms and nightlies on my previous nexus phones. If it is seen that the unlocked version has more development (which I'm sure it does) Ill will buy that but I will be on tmobile anyway. Thanks for your time. Please don't get upset at my post, I understand why people my be upset.
As you can see by my signature, its outdated. I currently own a Moto X which has little dev support on the bootloader locked versions. Looking to get into flashing again. The reason for this post is that somehow its cheaper for me to get the T-mobile version, but If the development section is in favor of the unlocked version, then I rather spend the extra money.
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Like everyone else said, it's the same phone. Google offers a subsidy on the phone when you directly buy from them, T-mobile will lose money if they do the same, so the pricing is mainly for business reasons. Go with whatever that's the cheapest for you, you won't notice any differences. Hope that helped
Only reason I'm even considering the T-mo nexus for more money is because they cancel early termination fees, and it would cost me more to buy the phone from the play store and cancel my contract with verizon. I've always been a nexus fanboy. Ive had the Nexus 1 and Galaxy nexus. I wanted to get the nexus 4 but as expected, verizon and google didn't partner for it. Now I hate verizon and am ditching lol.
mikeacela said:
Only reason I'm even considering the T-mo nexus for more money is because they cancel early termination fees, and it would cost me more to buy the phone from the play store and cancel my contract with verizon. I've always been a nexus fanboy. Ive had the Nexus 1 and Galaxy nexus. I wanted to get the nexus 4 but as expected, verizon and google didn't partner for it. Now I hate verizon and am ditching lol.
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A downside of getting it from T-Mobile is they only offer the 16gb version. Just something to take into consideration if that's not enough storage on a phone for you.
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Got my phone guys! Tmo, 16 gigs is fine for me
thanks for the help, look forward to hitting the forums
mikeacela said:
Got my phone guys! Tmo, 16 gigs is fine for me
thanks for the help, look forward to hitting the forums
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Enjoy!
Most Definitely!
Pirateghost said:
They all have 4G lte
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FYI, to reiterate, they are the same device. However, the reason for the price difference is because Google discounts the phone in the Play Store whereas T-Mobile is selling the device at the suggested retail price. It's nice to know that some carriers do allow people to own a pure Android device without carrier bloatware.
So the unlocked One A9 has me intrigued, as it seems like the right device to replace my aging One M8 while waiting for my 2 year upgrade in April. I'm hoping we'll see some decent carrier subsidized Snapdragon 820 devices by mid 2016, but if I need to wait longer the A9 can tide me over. I like that for $399, I get 32GB plus expandable storage, something that I can't get for that price with either the Nexus 5X or Moto X Pure Edition.
My dilemma is trying to figure out if Verizon support "coming December" means we'll actually get CDMA in addition to LTE bands with the software update. The preorder price of $399 only goes to November 7, so it's a bit of a gamble for Verizon customers. Based on the spec sheet, I'm assuming there are 2 different SKUs when it comes to radio/antenna support: the Unlocked/AT&T/T-Mobile/Verizon version, and the Sprint version. Only the Sprint version lists support for CDMA, but notice they reference 3 bands: BC0, BC1, and BC10. My understanding is that Sprint supports BC1 and BC10, while Verizon supports BC0 and BC1.
So did HTC just leave off the CDMA support from the Unlocked/ATT/TMo/Verizon spec sheet pending the software update? Are the 2 SKUs actually physically distinct (I know Qualcomm uses soft radios now but antennas may still need to be configured differently?) There are 2 other possibilities--Verizon could be getting a unique SKU of their own in December (with LTE + CDMA) or you may be left with VoLTE only. Since this isn't a "branded" phone and requirements have changed, VoLTE only is possible but I can't imagine consumers would be happy with it. And it doesn't make sense that Sprint would get their own SKU when a bigger market like Verizon doesn't?
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jakesteed said:
So the unlocked One A9 has me intrigued, as it seems like the right device to replace my aging One M8 while waiting for my 2 year upgrade in April. I'm hoping we'll see some decent carrier subsidized Snapdragon 820 devices by mid 2016, but if I need to wait longer the A9 can tide me over. I like that for $399, I get 32GB plus expandable storage, something that I can't get for that price with either the Nexus 5X or Moto X Pure Edition.
My dilemma is trying to figure out if Verizon support "coming December" means we'll actually get CDMA in addition to LTE bands with the software update. The preorder price of $399 only goes to November 7, so it's a bit of a gamble for Verizon customers. Based on the spec sheet, I'm assuming there are 2 different SKUs when it comes to radio/antenna support: the Unlocked/AT&T/T-Mobile/Verizon version, and the Sprint version. Only the Sprint version lists support for CDMA, but notice they reference 3 bands: BC0, BC1, and BC10. My understanding is that Sprint supports BC1 and BC10, while Verizon supports BC0 and BC1.
So did HTC just leave off the CDMA support from the Unlocked/ATT/TMo/Verizon spec sheet pending the software update? Are the 2 SKUs actually physically distinct (I know Qualcomm uses soft radios now but antennas may still need to be configured differently?) There are 2 other possibilities--Verizon could be getting a unique SKU of their own in December (with LTE + CDMA) or you may be left with VoLTE only. Since this isn't a "branded" phone and requirements have changed, VoLTE only is possible but I can't imagine consumers would be happy with it. And it doesn't make sense that Sprint would get their own SKU when a bigger market like Verizon doesn't?
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Im in the exact same boat. I am still not getting straight answers from anybody I'm asking. If you run an unlocked version on Verizon and be forced to LTE usage only, that isn't gonna cut it. I drop to 3g all the time. Would they say hunt for WiFi? I have spoke with a rep from HTC and she told me Verizon is going to release their own version. And that she did NOT recommend to purchase the unlocked a9 and expect to get full features from the network. Ive heard people asking Verizon reps and they are saying the phone will work with the CDMA span. I'm not sure who knows what
Im copying this from HTCs page .
Network1
Unlocked, AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon: 2G GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; 3G UMTS 850/AWS(1700)/1900/2100; 4G LTE:<:strong> FDD 2,3,4,5,7,12,13,17,29
Sprint: 2G GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; 3G UMTS 850/AWS(1700)/1900/2100; 4G LTE: FDD 2,4,5,12,25,26 TDD: 41
Some info here:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-One-A9-will-be-available-on-Verizon-in-December_id75199
Aloha,
I have decided to bring this back to the forefront as the month of December is here. I purchased the a9 and yes I'm on the Vzw network. I have called HTC and asked when the compatibility software release for vzw be available. It's funny because HTC tells me vzw will release it and to check with them. I called vzw and the tell me they know nothing about software to be release for a non vzw phone. Can I get a straight answer from HTC? What's the deal??! Has anyone else contacted HTC ?? Would you care to share their response to you.
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Aloha,
I have decided to bring this back to the forefront as the month of December is here. I purchased the a9 and yes I'm on the Vzw network. I have called HTC and asked when the compatibility software release for vzw be available. It's funny because HTC tells me vzw will release it and to check with them. I called vzw and the tell me they know nothing about software to be release for a non vzw phone. Can I get a straight answer from HTC? What's the deal?! Has anyone else contacted HTC ?? Would you care to share their response to you.
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I'm in the same boat here. I purchased my phone to use on the VZ network. Im using my M7 to hold me over. Hoping i didnt purchase i paper weight
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I'm in the same boat here. I purchased my phone to use on the VZ network. Im using my M7 to hold me over. Hoping i didnt purchase i paper weight
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Mahalo for your input. I hope this thread gets enough attention to where HTC will either honor the returns from VZW customers or provide the update soon. We need to continue to push HTC for a quick resolution!
They sent an email a few weeks ago saying support for Verizon was going to be delayed, with no ETA...so it's a no-go for December...lucky if we see it by January/February.
Shoot, let me have the update so I can test it for goodness sakes!!! VZW sucks...I'm bailing on them in 12 months...done with it.
Called HTC today to find out what the latest news for the VZW software compatible release is at. They told me that it will be sometime in the first quarter of 2016?. They couldn't give an exact date just first quarter. I told the rep that I would like to see if they can start the refund process. The rep told me that since I bought the phone in November that the time elapsed to start a refund. REALLY... I told the rep I haven't been able to use the phone and for HTC now saying first quarter... this means that it might be up to 6 months after purchase before I could even use the phone. I'm taking it to the next level and plan to call a higher up in the food chain. I have been using HTC phones for years, and don't understand how you can say that the phone is VZW compatible and continue to delay. This should have all been worked out prior to launch. They would have been better off saying that this phone is not for VZW. If this is the stance HTC is going to take with VZW customers they just lost my business!
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Called HTC today to find out what the latest news for the VZW software compatible release is at. They told me that it will be sometime in the first quarter of 2016. They couldn't give an exact date just first quarter. I told the rep that I would like to see if they can start the refund process. The rep told me that since I bought the phone in November that the time elapsed to start a refund. REALLY... I told the rep I haven't been able to use the phone and for HTC now saying first quarter... this means that it might be up to 6 months after purchase before I could even use the phone. I'm taking it to the next level and plan to call a higher up in the food chain. I have been using HTC phones for years, and don't understand how you can say that the phone is VZW compatible and continue to delay. This should have all been worked out prior to launch. They would have been better off saying that this phone is not for VZW. If this is the stance HTC is going to take with VZW customers they just lost my business!
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Good point. It should have been worked out prior to launch. But check this out. I put my VZW sim in today and I get 4g LTE BUT I can not make phone calls .Only surf the net. I never noticed that before.
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Good point. It should have been worked out prior to launch. But check this out. I put my VZW sim in today and I get 4g LTE BUT I can not make phone calls .Only surf the net. I never noticed that before.
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That was my exact fear...I ended up getting a Moto X Pure instead for the CDMA support. The issue is that VoLTE (what Verizon calls "Advanced Calling 1.0") isn't supported on unlocked (non-Verizon) devices yet. Case in point...my Moto X Pure won't support VoLTE even though its fully capable of it. Why Verizon doesn't support yet...I'm not sure. I think eventually they *have* to allow VoLTE on unlocked devices to comply with FCC conditions on the 700mhz spectrum. I'm guessing that's what is delaying HTC's support--probably has nothing to do with HTC, but they're waiting for Verizon to expand support.
Glad when I switched over to VZW 12 months ago, I took advantage of the discounts for switching, got wife/kids new iPhones on payment plan, just buy my phones outright, but I'm in a no-comitment contract for them. Only thing is the iPhones we owe 12 months of payments on. So really, I can just pay the difference/payoff of the iPhone, and walk away from Verizon.
Right now, I put a cricket plan/sim on my A9 just to use it and have an operational phone. At this rate from what you guys have said/HTC is saying, VZW is a black hole and useless carrier.
Probably jumping ship, going back to ATT...with the offers to leave carriers/promos...no reason to stay with VZW. We are stuck with the 10GB share plan from 12 months ago they ran to attract people from other carriers. Now, TMo and a few are offering even more data, and just need to leave your carrier.
Every month we are busting through it and getting additional charges. Just need to run away from VZW. Nothing really wrong with the service/performance, but it is nothing but problems for their phones/devices like Android. This entire HTC One A9 is a classic VZW problem for Android users. Phones/devices have support for their network (the A9 supposedly soon), but the carrier/VZW is the problem. Not to mention all the other issues with VZW, updates blah blah and their control freak nature.
No contract = bye-bye VZW for me soon. Shoot, I can likely just switch to another carrier, get a $1/month iPhone for wife/kids each, pay off their phones, and put them up for sales and walk away from VZW for basically a break-even, BUT, have three new iPhone 6s for them. At this rate, maybe I will go back to the iPhone...the v3 was the last one I owned...rofl.
Yeah...Anyway....first quarter...pfffft. Done with your Verizon..and HTC is about to chase me away as well at this rate.
Rant over!!!!
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That was my exact fear...I ended up getting a Moto X Pure instead for the CDMA support. The issue is that VoLTE (what Verizon calls "Advanced Calling 1.0") isn't supported on unlocked (non-Verizon) devices yet. Case in point...my Moto X Pure won't support VoLTE even though its fully capable of it.
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The Moto X Pure does support Verizon VoLTE. I've been using it since launch.
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Good point. It should have been worked out prior to launch. But check this out. I put my VZW sim in today and I get 4g LTE BUT I can not make phone calls .Only surf the net. I never noticed that before.
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Do you have advanced calling enabled on your account? Make sure it is then check in the phone settings to see if VoLTE or enhanced 4glte mode is on
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The Moto X Pure does support Verizon VoLTE. I've been using it since launch.
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Do you have advanced calling enabled on your account? Make sure it is then check in the phone settings to see if VoLTE or enhanced 4glte mode is on
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Well I'll be a monkey's uncle... Sure enough just had to add the feature to my account and power cycle...VoLTE is now on!
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jakesteed said:
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle... Sure enough just had to add the feature to my account and power cycle...VoLTE is now on!
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Aloha jakesteed,
So let me get this straight your VZW and your running A9 on vollte? No software update required?
Mahalo
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Aloha jakesteed,
So let me get this straight your VZW and your running A9 on vollte? No software update required?
Mahalo
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Sorry, not an A9 but a Moto X Pure Edition. I passed on the A9.
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Has anyone been successful at activating the A9 on Verizon yet?
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Has anyone been successful at activating the A9 on Verizon yet?
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Still waiting for HTC to release software update to VZW.
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Still waiting for HTC to release software update to VZW.
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Why wait? Just put your sim in and enable VoLTE/"Advanced Calling 1.0" on my.verizon.com as sprke suggested.
^There's no option for 1.0 VoLTE calling on their site. They call it HD Voice, which is the VoLTE, and it doesn't work even enabled on my phone.
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^There's no option for 1.0 VoLTE calling on their site. They call it HD Voice, which is the VoLTE, and it doesn't work even enabled on my phone.
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Yes, it's seems they renamed "Advanced Calling 1.0" to "HD Voice", but it doesn't matter, both are just how they call VoLTE.
What do you mean it doesn't work? What happens if you make a call?
Did you enable Enhanced 4G LTE Mode in Cellular network settings? Also try to reboot the phone.
EDIT: Correction, it's Mobile Data -> Voice over LTE, not Cellular network settings -> Enhanced 4G LTE Mode.
Another thing to try:
1. Enter the hidden menu using *#*#4636#*#*
2. Go in to Phone information
3. Click the TURN ON VOLTE PROVISIONED FLAG button (wont change)
4. Click the TURN OFF RADIO button
5. Wait a few seconds (for radio to turn off) and then click the TURN ON RADIO button
6. Observe that the TURN ON VOLTE PROVISIONED FLAG button has changed to TURN OFF
7. Make sure VoLTE is turned on in the menu