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[OFFTOPIC] The Nexus Line Is Dead in the US?

@Mods, this is a thread about the Nexus line in general, even if I am referencing the Galaxy Nexus. Please don't move.
Not sure if anyone else is following the official unveiling of the Verizon Galaxy Nexus, but it is a Verizon-branded, Verizon-bloatware phone (2 Verizon apps. Whether it's "bloatware" or not, that's semantics; they shouldn't be there).
The question at hand is whether updates are still pushed from Google, and not through Verizon. The fact that it's a carrier subsidized and carrier-branded phone with two carrier-related apps makes it possible that it updates may have to go through Verizon first. This would defeat the purpose of what the Nexus line is supposed to be, if true.
Yet the bigger question is: What does a Nexus phone represent now? Many are up in arms about it, and it's a question for all Nexus fans/users.
My understanding is that the Sprint Nexus S 4G also includes Sprint apps. What is happening with the Nexus line? Is Google changing what it represents and means?

I can't speak for all and I have the nexus s 4g SPRINT and well I was only stock for like 15 mins but we don't have ANY sprint bloat
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onthecouchagain said:
@Mods, this is a thread about the Nexus line in general, even if I am referencing the Galaxy Nexus. Please don't move.
Not sure if anyone else is following the official unveiling of the Verizon Galaxy Nexus, but it is a Verizon-branded, Verizon-bloatware phone (2 Verizon apps. Whether it's "bloatware" or not, that's semantics; they shouldn't be there).
The question at hand is whether updates are still pushed from Google, and not through Verizon. The fact that it's a carrier subsidized and carrier-branded phone with two carrier-related apps makes it possible that it updates may have to go through Verizon first. This would defeat the purpose of what the Nexus line is supposed to be, if true.
Yet the bigger question is: What does a Nexus phone represent now? Many are up in arms about it, and it's a question for all Nexus fans/users.
My understanding is that the Sprint Nexus S 4G also includes Sprint apps. What is happening with the Nexus line? Is Google changing what it represents and means?
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castro08 said:
I can't speak for all and I have the nexus s 4g SPRINT and well I was only stock for like 15 mins but we don't have ANY sprint bloat
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I could be mistaken. Thanks for clarifying. That's good.

The NS4G includes some special sprint apks with functionality to allow flashing the PRL and profile. I don't see why it's out of the question to have the Verizon Galaxy Nexus support similar stuff.
ICS has functionality to disable built-in applications on /system if you don't want them anyway.
The Nexus line receives it's updates from google servers, but they still have to go through all the regular carrier testing that phones receive. That's how it's always been. Do you think the carriers would really want an update to a phone to wreck havok on their network? It's not like these updates are trivial.

fastboot oem unlock

REALLY?
ICS has a new feature to disable apps.
That said if you buy a dev phone you will format and flash anyway so who cares? Not me anyway.

I'm unprepared to speak on the state of the Nexus before I even hold the new one in my hand. As a T-Mobile customer, the launch has been disappointing, but only as much so as it was for customers of every other carrier when the Nexus S launched.

I wouldn't say the nexus line is dead more than its not in the spot light
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We have never had a Nexus phone launch with a carrier partner before, so we have nothing to compare it to.
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superm1 said:
The Nexus line receives it's updates from google servers, but they still have to go through all the regular carrier testing that phones receive. That's how it's always been. Do you think the carriers would really want an update to a phone to wreck havok on their network? It's not like these updates are trivial.
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That's NOT how it works. Maybe for certain carriers. I know for a fact that T-Mobile does not recognize the Nexus S as a phone they support/sell. When i was grabbing one back last December, they made it clear to me over the phone that they offer ZERO support for the phone or any of its problems (reboot 5 times a day, anyone?) All "support" comes from the phone's radios ability to communicate on T-Mo towers, and Google's OTA updates, which I think we can agree were shoddy at best. T-Mo doesn't want to have anything to do with the NS updates.
Sprint, on the other hand, has some updates they perform on their end. It's all carrier-dependent. The idea of the perfect Nexus line staying completely pure went to hell when the NS4G was released, and when Google decided to screw over GSM Nexus S users with the Google Wallet thing. Don't think for a second that there wasn't money changing hands over that 4g exlusive release.
I think, in this case, Verizon's just being dicks as usual and strong-arming everyone. Google could have told them to stick it where the sun dont shine, but would have missed out on the biggest portion of the market in the US.
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Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone.

nickmv said:
Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone.
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The Galaxy nexus is launching in Canada on Bell. So there will be a Galaxy nexus with AT&T compatible frequencies.

nickmv said:
Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone
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So far I have no reason to be concerned about it. First of all, the merger may well not go through. Second, if it does go through, there's no way it will before the middle of next year. Third, even if there are no further technical, business, or legal issues from that point on it's highly unlikely they'll start disassembling the T-Mobile network for at least a few months after the deal closes. Fourth, it's part of the merger terms that T-Mobile customers will get new phones when the switch happens. Fifth, since the GSM Galaxy Nexus works on AT&T and T-Mobile bands, there's a good chance it will work on a combined network anyway.
So I wouldn't go so far as to mute your cautionary note- even with those caveats there are still important concerns- but I would perhaps turn it down a notch or two.

Isn't the GSM version quad band anyway?

Yeah it probably will work on both carriers. Good point there. So that part of my argument I guess is moot.
I still stand by my opinion on the TRUE Nexus experience having disappeared when the NS4G came out.

irishrally said:
Isn't the GSM version quad band anyway?
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The Galaxy Nexus is the first pentaband phone running Android. It will run on any GSM 3G network in the world.

Wait a sec though.....thats 3g. NOT 4g. What's the deal with HSPA+ compatibility bands? I guess I'm not QUITE ready to ditch the ATT/T-Mo issue yet.

It's pentaband hspa+ which by default means it will also be pentaband 3g
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there are also confirming some GN are coming SIM LOCKED! by the carriers
bloatware + SIM locking is everything against the basic ideal behind Nexus
so, in a way, seems like Nexus is slowly fading away... it just seems to stand for new AOSP now, no more of its original self
even the hardware has been sucking since Nexus S
it's sinking into a mere reference phone for development

In the US, the average consumer prefers the carrier-subsidized model, they have shown this with their wallets.
Nexus One tried selling from just a website.
Nexus S tried selling in a big box retailer.
Galaxy Nexus is now carrier-subsidized, carrier-branded.
As I think irishrally already said, as long as fastboot oem unlock is enabled, just accept that as all we really want anway

nickmv said:
That's NOT how it works. Maybe for certain carriers. I know for a fact that T-Mobile does not recognize the Nexus S as a phone they support/sell. When i was grabbing one back last December, they made it clear to me over the phone that they offer ZERO support for the phone or any of its problems (reboot 5 times a day, anyone?) All "support" comes from the phone's radios ability to communicate on T-Mo towers, and Google's OTA updates, which I think we can agree were shoddy at best. T-Mo doesn't want to have anything to do with the NS updates.
Sprint, on the other hand, has some updates they perform on their end. It's all carrier-dependent. The idea of the perfect Nexus line staying completely pure went to hell when the NS4G was released, and when Google decided to screw over GSM Nexus S users with the Google Wallet thing. Don't think for a second that there wasn't money changing hands over that 4g exlusive release.
I think, in this case, Verizon's just being dicks as usual and strong-arming everyone. Google could have told them to stick it where the sun dont shine, but would have missed out on the biggest portion of the market in the US.
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Also, as far as people on T-Mo being disappointed or not -- I'd be wary of purchasing ANY new phone based off T-Mo compatibility with the pending takeover by AT&T. Yet another reason I WONT be getting this phone.
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I really hope sprint didn't waste money on wallet 4g users are such a small subset I think its a small beta and with sprint nit having many people soo
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T-Mobile Note 5 on Verizon so you can get unlocked bootloader

Anyone tried this yet?
I know in the past, the GSM phones have not been compatible within Verizon's network. But I've heard that has changed recently? And I'm new to Verizon, so I unfortunately don't know the in's and out's of CDMA and what is or isn't possible.
But from my limited research, the Samsung official website lists specs for each carriers Note 5 and both TMO + VZW appear to be capable of using the same bands?
T-MOBILE:
13 (700)
4 (1700/2100)
2 (1900
3 (1800)
7 (2600)
LTE: B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B20
LTE: 13(700), 4(1700/2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 7(2600), LTE CA 13+4 (10+10)
UMTS: 1/2/4/5;
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900
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VERIZON:
13 (700)
4 (1700/2100)
2 (1900)
3 ( 1800)
7 (2600)
LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 20
LTE: 13(700), 4(1700/2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 7(2600), LTE CA 13+4 (10+10);
UMTS: 1/2/4/5
GPRS/EDGE/GSM(850/900/1800/1900)
HSPA/UMTS(850/900/1900/2100)

dont think the tmo can get the cdma/3g of verizon. so the tmo may work but you would only have 4g nothing else

oneandroidnut said:
dont think the tmo can get the cdma/3g of verizon. so the tmo may work but you would only have 4g nothing else
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We need to test this theory asap, if the tmobile verison will work I'm buying one tomorrow. I might sign up on tmobile just to test if no one can answer the question

As far as I know, the GSM slot on most Verizon high-end devices has always been unlocked for Global GSM use. I know that as a fact, having used a Verizon G2, and a Note 4 in India, with absolutely no issues whatsoever. However, that may or may not work for US GSM networks. But worth popping in a T-Mo SIM and checking it out :good:
And yes, even if a T-Mo SIM were to work, you will only have 4G, nothing else, as rightly pointed out by @oneandroidnut

2swizzle said:
We need to test this theory asap, if the tmobile verison will work I'm buying one tomorrow. I might sign up on tmobile just to test if no one can answer the question
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you go to tmo with a verizon sim and try it haha

oneandroidnut said:
you go to tmo with a verizon sim and try it haha
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All jokes aside I think in the next couple of days I'm going to go signup and buy a tmobile note 5 and try it... I will return the phone within the 14 day period. Worst case scenario I lose $35.

2swizzle said:
All jokes aside I think in the next couple of days I'm going to go signup and buy a tmobile note 5 and try it... I will return the phone within the 14 day period. Worst case scenario I lose $35.
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Do it man I'm just as curious as you are. Don't root it though lol

oneandroidnut said:
Do it man I'm just as curious as you are. Don't root it though lol
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I'm not going to root it, my only concern is how do I get T-Mobile to unlock it
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2swizzle said:
I'm not going to root it, my only concern is how do I get T-Mobile to unlock it
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they dont come factory unlocked??

oneandroidnut said:
they dont come factory unlocked??
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No tmobile makes you request the unlock code

2swizzle said:
No tmobile makes you request the unlock code
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Oh that isn't good

And now they make your wait 45 days before they will give you the code.
Too many people bought the phone and skipped country / changed carriers immediately after purchase.
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As I understand it you have to meet the following criteria for the unlock codes:
1) You must own the device (no payment plan)
2) You must wait 43 or 45 days. I've heard both. I assume this is to let the return policy play out.
Either way, you should still be able to run the experiment.

2swizzle said:
All jokes aside I think in the next couple of days I'm going to go signup and buy a tmobile note 5 and try it... I will return the phone within the 14 day period. Worst case scenario I lose $35.
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Their restocking fee is $50!
Their phones now will only unlock with their app and they will approve only after you have used the device on an active account for 40 days OR paid in full and wait 15 days (past remorse period). But the latter is really hard because the "system" really works on the 40 day rule and it's hard to get an override.
I don't think it will work on VZW.
In the past, I've tried my VZW sim cards in unlocked ATT and MetroPCS S5s and it just doesn't work. Even worse is on my account I have the dreaded Non VZW device and even after putting that SIM back in a legitimate VZW phone that number is locked meaning I cannot make changes to it on myVZW. And when you go into a corporate store to get it fixed you get that typical "You did what?" attitude!
Unfortunately the days of having freedom on both VZW and ATT seem limited indeed.
The Note 5 and Edge+ do generally run great out of the box, however. With an Adguard subscription I'm satisfied. If Android-M has more customization built in (center clock, statusbar customization, etc) then truly no need for me to root. I will miss Titanium BU, however.
There's always Nexus, but they take some getting used to in comparison. It's reminiscent of driving a Caddy or Lincoln for years and then getting in a Mercedes. Which isn't a bad thing mind you, but if you have to work under the hood you will be in for some changes.

I'm more interested in the various AOSP ROM's that will eventually pop up.
Like SlimPop or SlimMellow (eventually).
Not all phones have the same bands.
But it seems like the T-Mobile Note 5 *might* have most of the Verizon bands. Or all of them?
In the past, you could pay like $5-$15 on eBay to unlock your phone through a 3rd party person. I've used a T-Mobile phone on AT&T with good luck, but both were GSM.
If a TMO G5 pops up used in the next few weeks (in my budget), I'm totally going to see if it can be unlocked on eBay and then see if it'll work with my VZW account. :good:

I'm tired of dealing with Verizon bs... I'm switching to the nexus 6p anyway, but I wanted to try before buying the nexus. To me it's more than rooting, it's the freedom to do what I want to my phone. The new nexus lacks flagship device status, but you gain freedom and the phone works on all us carriers period.
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The new Motorola Pure is what the Note 5 should have been.
Only thing the N5 has over it is glove-mode, which is something I actually really, really like having.
But if the TMO N5 doesn't work on Verizon, I'll have to go with the Motorola Pure. Which can be rooted on Verizon (I think).

CZ Eddie said:
The new Motorola Pure is what the Note 5 should have been.
Only thing the N5 has over it is glove-mode, which is something I actually really, really like having.
But if the TMO N5 doesn't work on Verizon, I'll have to go with the Motorola Pure. Which can be rooted on Verizon (I think).
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It can indeed my friend
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Thre Note 5 has *a lot* of things over the Moto X Pure... Fingerprint scanner, faster cpu, faster memory, faster storage rates, nicer screen, stylus...
But in the end, if the Pure is a better for for your uses, then get it. But don't act like glove mode is the only thing the Note 5 has over the Pure...
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JasonJoel said:
Thre Note 5 has *a lot* of things over the Moto X Pure... Fingerprint scanner, faster cpu, faster memory, faster storage rates, nicer screen, stylus...
But in the end, if the Pure is a better for for your uses, then get it. But don't act like glove mode is the only thing the Note 5 has over the Pure...
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the moto x was junk. note 5 smoked it in all ways

Anyone using in the US?

Hows your experience on T-Mobile?
How did Google install on the device??
Thanks

I have been using it on T-Mobile for months now other than 4G everything is the same as on Chinese carriers. Install Play Store and google sync from App Center to sync the contacts and you are good to go

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I have been using it on T-Mobile for months now other than 4G everything is the same as on Chinese carriers. Install Play Store and google sync from App Center to sync the contacts and you are good to go
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Out of curiosity, which color do you have?

its silver and white

Same here been using mine on T-Mobile with no problems other than no lte. I have the gold version which is very sexy

Huawei p8 max and Honor X2
MarvelousOne35 said:
Same here been using mine on T-Mobile with no problems other than no lte. I have the gold version which is very sexy
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i have the Huawei Honor X2 and I contact Huawei customer service and they send me an update which allow me to open 4G LTE. I was shocked because i was expecting just 4G but they unlocked it and I'm getting around 20 Mbps on T-mobile here in USA. Anyway I'm telling my story so you can do the same and enjoy your phone. I had a galaxy note 4 but now this phone is wayyyyy better than stupid Samsung.

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i have the Huawei Honor X2 and I contact Huawei customer service and they send me an update which allow me to open 4G LTE. I was shocked because i was expecting just 4G but they unlocked it and I'm getting around 20 Mbps on T-mobile here in USA. Anyway I'm telling my story so you can do the same and enjoy your phone. I had a galaxy note 4 but now this phone is wayyyyy better than stupid Samsung.
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Hi,
Which model version of the Honor X2 are you currently using on T-Mobile US. I really want either the P8MAX or Mediapad X2; don't really care about the 4G issue at this point but, if I can get 4G on T-Mobile, I'd be a happy camper. Especially now that I'm going to let my Verizon Unlimited Data Feature GOOOOOOOO the way of the Dodo Bird. I know that the Honor X2 is just the Chinese market iteration and that it's basically the same Mediapad X2 with a different model name but, any info would be useful, especially, what department at Huawei did you contact to render this support? And, how did they facilitate the process of unlocking the 4G LTE? I've tried contacting Huawei just to get information on these two devices and have gotten no one to shed any light on USA Network Band compatibility. It's a shame that, we, as American consumers have to be at the mercy of whatever contracts and agreements the carriers sign or enter into with manufacturers and OEMs; in this case, Samsung and i Apple control everything that comes into this country which really screams anti-trust (which no one cares about at this point).
Thanks

Curious how they " unlocked" lte especially if US bands aren't supported???

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Curious how they " unlocked" lte especially if US bands aren't supported???
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Which begs my question: U.S. network band(s) compatibility, is that a true hardware issue or is it merely the code that's written into the system that bars (no pun intended) the reception of the U.S. bands' frequencies?
I highly suspect it is the latter because, I hacked a Verizon DROID 3 a couple of years ago to work with ALL GSM networks, including T-Mobile U.S. and AT&T U.S., which prior to my hack, wouldn't even recognize either carrier's SIM, let alone register on their respective 2G/3G frequencies. Anyone familiar with the Verizon DROID 3 knows that, in the U.S., it was locked for CDMA use ONLY. I was able to do this by editing the build.prop, using code from the Chinese (or international) DROID 3 (aka XT883, Motorola Milestone).
Anyone?

zain0300 said:
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Where did you get yours?

Bought one last week on gizok, they still haven't shipped it but they emailed back and said they'd ship mine first lol, like they're sitting around waiting for enough orders to ship anything. C'mon man, this is $500 I'm spending in your store. Send it right away, ya know?

I'm using on go smart but they use T-Mobile towers and only at 3g speeds works great
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jwhood said:
I'm using on go smart but they use T-Mobile towers and only at 3g speeds works great
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Is this hspa+ 3G speeds or slower? The hspa+ should be 42mbps or 20something if it's the previous version.
Also gizok emailed me back saying they don't have mine in stock even though their website said they did, which is horse**** and the reason I ordered from them. So I'm grumpy and had them refund me. Hopefully that doesn't take as long as it took for them to realize they didn't have my item, which was like 2 weeks.
I then did another search and found this one, which is a better color and for cheaper so I'm not as grumpy now lol. Here's the listing if anyone else is looking for one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Huawei-P8-M...073189?hash=item33b233d425:g:stoAAOSwx-9WzfuZ

Just a tip to all, if you know you will not be getting LTE, just turn it off in the setting(preferred network) so that your phone does not waste battery searching for it.

I'm about to sell mine cause of lack of development on it granted its a big screen but other then that Huawei's in house o.s is less to be desired in my opinion if kirin chip was more dev friendly but Huawei is more like Samsung and keeping there code secret
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jwhood said:
I'm about to sell mine cause of lack of development on it granted its a big screen but other then that Huawei's in house o.s is less to be desired in my opinion if kirin chip was more dev friendly but Huawei is more like Samsung and keeping there code secret
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Which version do you have? Which version of android is it running? How much are you letting it go for? Do you do swappa or ebay? so many questions.

Its running 5.1 lolli and is rooted and twrp got its the China version 703 if I'm not mistaken whats the going rate for $400 + its in very child condition
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Huawei Mate 9 on Sprint network in US?

I have been excited about this phone coming to the US for some time now, long time fan of the + sized Galaxy Note range. I can't find any straight answers about if the Mate 9 will work on Sprints 4g network or not at this point. If there is no simple Yes/No answer to that I would greatly appreciate being pointed in the right direction outlining the steps I may have to take. Thanks everyone!

Unless there is a sprint-specific version released, you could expect 4G data but no phone calls in the very best case scenario, and no data, no phone calls in the very worst scenario.

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Unless there is a sprint-specific version released, you could expect 4G data but no phone calls in the very best case scenario, and no data, no phone calls in the very worst scenario.
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I see. So it sounds like I should give up on having one of these as it seems the best case scenario involves a phone that can't make calls.

I would wait to see what happens when it's released in the US. The Kirin 960 is CDMA compatible, but I believe it still has to pass certification to use it in the US.

dscline said:
I would wait to see what happens when it's released in the US. The Kirin 960 is CDMA compatible, but I believe it still has to pass certification to use it in the US.
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Sprint doesn't use CDMA I have heard so it's looking grim for me on that network, maybe I'll consider changing to a different network, well see what happens Jan 6th but we're pretty close already and no good news on that front.

January 9th is supposed to be the official North American release, so you could just wait until then to see if what models are released. Not too far away really. But it is unlikely that a Sprint-compatible version will come out. Time to decide what you want more, the Mate 9, or to be a Sprint customer? If you're were willing to pay full price for the phone anyway (which I'm assuming you were), why not switch to AT&T or T-Mo prepaid?

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Sprint doesn't use CDMA I have heard
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http://www.droid-life.com/2015/02/0...sm-cdma-wcdma-lte-verizon-att-sprint-tmobile/

swordstool said:
January 9th is supposed to be the official North American release, so you could just wait until then to see if what models are released. Not too far away really. But it is unlikely that a Sprint-compatible version will come out. Time to decide what you want more, the Mate 9, or to be a Sprint customer? If you're were willing to pay full price for the phone anyway (which I'm assuming you were), why not switch to AT&T or T-Mo prepaid?
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I may switch, the reason to stay is actually a pretty good one and that's that as long as I'm on Sprint my phone bill is pretty much free month to month. I want this phone badly but maybe not bad enough to give that up

jjbuckley said:
I may switch, the reason to stay is actually a pretty good one and that's that as long as I'm on Sprint my phone bill is pretty much free month to month. I want this phone badly but maybe not bad enough to give that up
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Hey man, that's probably the best reason to NOT switch! And It's January 6th for the official NA release, not the 9th as I previously wrote. See here: http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-9-us-launch-january-6-735313/

I asked Huawei about Verizon and they said I would need to wait for the US release to know if it would be Verizon compatible. I'm betting that's a soft "no"...
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emtownsend said:
I asked Huawei about Verizon and they said I would need to wait for the US release to know if it would be Verizon compatible. I'm betting that's a soft "no"...
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As I mentioned earlier, the hardware is capable. But this quote from Anandtech questions when it will be certified:
"It should be pointed out that CDMA certification for the US via the FCC takes 18-24 months, and I was unable to confirm when the process was started, so we may have to wait another year for a US-focused CDMA devices."

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As I mentioned earlier, the hardware is capable. But this quote from Anandtech questions when it will be certified:
"It should be pointed out that CDMA certification for the US via the FCC takes 18-24 months, and I was unable to confirm when the process was started, so we may have to wait another year for a US-focused CDMA devices."
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Thank you for that info. I did not see it before.
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CDMA support

So looking at the specs for the Mate 9, it looks like even though it's advertised as GSM unlocked only, the MHA-L29 model has all the CDMA radios to make it work on a US network like Verizon. This seems similar to the Axon 7. I know it's only just come out in the US, but I'm curious if anybody is planning on trying it on Verizon or another CDMA network. I have Verizon and the Mate 9 looks like an amazing phone, but I don't want to drop $600 on it without being relatively sure it'll actually work.

Have you asked Verizon if they are going to sell or support it?

RR-99 said:
Have you asked Verizon if they are going to sell or support it?
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Even if they don't it would be still usable on their network. That is, IF it has the proper CDMA for Verizon and/or Sprint. Like the Axon 7, it will show "roaming" but will work fine. I think it will be a matter of waiting until someone tries it. I would totally do it but no Best Buy within 250 miles of me has one in stock.

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Even if they don't it would be still usable on their network. That is, IF it has the proper CDMA for Verizon and/or Sprint. Like the Axon 7, it will show "roaming" but will work fine. I think it will be a matter of waiting until someone tries it. I would totally do it but no Best Buy within 250 miles of me has one in stock.
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been trying. won't work.
got the axon 7 to work, though call reception wasn't as good as pixel and no data during calls.

Thanks for the definitive info!
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Thanks for the definitive info!
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yea it's too bad. i'd been looking forward to this phone for a long time.
screen is awesome, really bright, super fast. way more responsive than the pixel.
speaker sucks, but so does the pixel's.
i don't get the point of launching in the US to only half of the potential customers.

I keep pressing sprint to accept it. Otherwise our 2 accounts will be bought out via another carrier. Where i work i get a big discount on Verizon so i can get a huge plan for less, better speeds n service etc.
OR ill have Tmo buy it out

It's not up to Sprint. The hardware is CDMA compatible (and works on CDMA in China), but it has not yet been certified by the FCC to use CDMA in the US. As per Anandtech in their Kirin 960 review:
"It should be pointed out that CDMA certification for the US via the FCC takes 18-24 months, and I was unable to confirm when the process was started, so we may have to wait another year for a US-focused CDMA devices."

dscline said:
It's not up to Sprint. The hardware is CDMA compatible (and works on CDMA in China), but it has not yet been certified by the FCC to use CDMA in the US. As per Anandtech in their Kirin 960 review:
"It should be pointed out that CDMA certification for the US via the FCC takes 18-24 months, and I was unable to confirm when the process was started, so we may have to wait another year for a US-focused CDMA devices."
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Interesting. So the radio could work but it's restricted somehow? Still a bummer... [emoji16]
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dscline said:
It's not up to Sprint. The hardware is CDMA compatible (and works on CDMA in China), but it has not yet been certified by the FCC to use CDMA in the US. As per Anandtech in their Kirin 960 review:
"It should be pointed out that CDMA certification for the US via the FCC takes 18-24 months, and I was unable to confirm when the process was started, so we may have to wait another year for a US-focused CDMA devices."
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really interesting, thanks.
18-24 months is a crazy long time. not sure where they get that.
one of innumerable articles about the Pixel is that it took 9 mos to build, start to finish.
and I think there was also a short timeline for the S6 after Samsung ditched the 810.
not gonna argue w/AnandTech, but I am curious how that works.

beaner_b said:
one of innumerable articles about the Pixel is that it took 9 mos to build, start to finish.
and I think there was also a short timeline for the S6 after Samsung ditched the 810.
not gonna argue w/AnandTech, but I am curious how that works.
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It's not about the phone, it's the chipset. Qualcomm has a lot of CDMA technology IP, so phones that use CDMA either have needed to use Qualcomm's chips, or pay them royalties. I believe the Kirin 960 is one of the first non-Qualcomm chips to natively support CDMA. But the FCC has to approve it's use in the US. I believe this is why Samsung has used their own Exynos chips in their phones in other markets, but uses Qualcomm's chips in phones destined to the US... it's cheaper and/or easier to just buy Qualcomm's chips that have already been approved.

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It's not about the phone, it's the chipset. Qualcomm has a lot of CDMA technology IP, so phones that use CDMA either have needed to use Qualcomm's chips, or pay them royalties. I believe the Kirin 960 is one of the first non-Qualcomm chips to natively support CDMA. But the FCC has to approve it's use in the US. I believe this is why Samsung has used their own Exynos chips in their phones in other markets, but uses Qualcomm's chips in phones destined to the US... it's cheaper and/or easier to just buy Qualcomm's chips that have already been approved.
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oh ok, that make sense.
so when Samsung skipped the 810 completely in the S6/Note 5 and just went with their Exynos, they still used Qualcomm's radios for the Sprint/Verizon versions.

beaner_b said:
so when Samsung skipped the 810 completely in the S6/Note 5 and just went with their Exynos, they still used Qualcomm's radios for the Sprint/Verizon versions.
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Here are a couple articles about that...
http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...mm-inc-totally-out-of-the-samsung-galaxy.aspx
http://www.androidcentral.com/about-qualcomm-4g-sticker-your-galaxy-s6

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Here are a couple articles about that...
http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...mm-inc-totally-out-of-the-samsung-galaxy.aspx
http://www.androidcentral.com/about-qualcomm-4g-sticker-your-galaxy-s6
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good stuff, thanks!

so if it is technically possible to run this on Sprint (thinking Project FI which uses TMobile and Sprint 90% of the time), then is there a way to force the device to use the CDMA modem for the US Dual-band models (L29)? Is this a matter of Sprint rejecting the IMEI (akin to verizon) due to the chipset not "qualified" for use by FCC, or is it somehow disabled in the device? IF this is something turned off at the device (because it was shipped to US?), is there a custom ROM / Firmware that can be used to enable it? I'd really like to keep FI but right now my shiny new device wont switch over from TMobile to Sprint. #Pissed.
I'm bought in at this point, so if theres a way to do it, I'll do whatever is necessary, including voiding warranty.

my impression was the CDMA was for China DATA and not a voice CDMA. I bought 2 of the mate 9s but I may have to sell out - ATT covers 99% of the people - as long as they are in metro areas. Disapointing, I love these phones.......

It's never going to happen
dscline said:
It's not up to Sprint. The hardware is CDMA compatible (and works on CDMA in China), but it has not yet been certified by the FCC to use CDMA in the US. As per Anandtech in their Kirin 960 review:
"It should be pointed out that CDMA certification for the US via the FCC takes 18-24 months, and I was unable to confirm when the process was started, so we may have to wait another year for a US-focused CDMA devices."
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While it may be CDMA compatible I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it ever to be here in the US, Huawei hasn't even been updating the US model of the mate 9 (last security patch was from May), and as far as I can tell the mate 10 is the last one with a US model, none of the new honor phones are US, just international models. With the BS from the government and the lack of support for US customers I think Huawei is a dead horse as far as we are concerned