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Droid Charge for Atrix 4G - Tiered Data

Hey guys thanks in advance for all your help,
Currently i'm rocking a Atrix 4G which I love. Great screen camera, Dual core etc. and it's rooted. With the rumors of Unlimited LTE ending on July 7th I don't want to miss another unlimited data bandwagon as I tether quite a bit.
What i'm wondering is should I do it. Selling my Atrix for the Droid Charge in order to have the Unlimited LTE. I love having my Atrix and will the Charge live up to it? You guys wiill know best so thanks a bunch
Ps. Whats the chance the Droid Bionic will launch with a special "Unlimited Data" promotion?
Till next time

Bionic won't come till august sorry to pop people's bubbles. You won't be able to get unlimited data. They used these phones as a way to get us used to 4g so we would upgrade to new dual core phones that use lte. Either we get a new non unlimited plan or pay retail price.
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rocketboy6885 said:
Hey guys thanks in advance for all your help,
Currently i'm rocking a Atrix 4G which I love. Great screen camera, Dual core etc. and it's rooted. With the rumors of Unlimited LTE ending on July 7th I don't want to miss another unlimited data bandwagon as I tether quite a bit.
What i'm wondering is should I do it. Selling my Atrix for the Droid Charge in order to have the Unlimited LTE. I love having my Atrix and will the Charge live up to it? You guys wiill know best so thanks a bunch
Ps. Whats the chance the Droid Bionic will launch with a special "Unlimited Data" promotion?
Till next time
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It depends on how you use your phone. If you do a lot of multimedia related or processor intensive or huge multi-app (multi-threading) then the dual-core will definitely make a difference (stick with Atrix or wait), but if its just normal phone related stuff then the charge will be more than sufficient.
The only thing you need to be prepared for is that if you get the Charge, you will have to root and clean/flash it. The way it comes from Verizon it just plain sucks...but once you do get a different kernel and possibly ROM it will fly!
Cheers!
P.S. Verizon's LTE network is mcuh faster and has far better ping times than AT&T

Coming from an Atrix to a Charge I have no regrets about making the switch. Even though the Charge has only a single core it is still has one of the best single core chipsets found in mobile devices. For me Lte speeds are much more of a sell then a slightly faster phone. I though it was going to be rough going from a dual core phone back to a single core but it really was not too bad.

papi92 said:
Bionic won't come till august sorry to pop people's bubbles. You won't be able to get unlimited data. They used these phones as a way to get us used to 4g so we would upgrade to new dual core phones that use lte. Either we get a new non unlimited plan or pay retail price.
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You still get to keep it if you have an upgrade or buy phone full price as long as your a customer before the 7/7/11
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Heres what i'm thinking
If Unlimited LTE really does end i'll buy the Charge off contract before the Unlimited Data ends. I'm hoping that some of these leaks are actually true about the Droid Bionic and it might come out the July 4th weekend and I can snatch that. Along with the extension of free mobile hotspot this seems somewhat feasible
If not i'll buy the charge and wait out for a better dual core phone, but at that point at least we'll have the unlimited data plan. vs the tiered...$80/10gb thats just theft

As of right now, after 7/7/11 you will be able to upgrade your device and keep your unlimited plan.
@androidcentral: Verizon's new data plans broken down in complete detail http://bit.ly/jKDldQ #android
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rocketboy6885 said:
If Unlimited LTE really does end i'll buy the Charge off contract before the Unlimited Data ends. I'm hoping that some of these leaks are actually true about the Droid Bionic and it might come out the July 4th weekend and I can snatch that. Along with the extension of free mobile hotspot this seems somewhat feasible
If not i'll buy the charge and wait out for a better dual core phone, but at that point at least we'll have the unlimited data plan. vs the tiered...$80/10gb thats just theft
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I am not sure that would work... Im I don't know about others, and but when I picked up my charge they actually changed my data plan, and an I am not sure if that would let you keep unlimited. This is just conjecture based on how mobile companies work, so take it with a grain of salt.
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I've read Verizon will in fact allow you to keep the plan when upgrading phones
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I meant they actually have a listed 4g plan thats different than 3g. Thats why im not sure if thats the same as upgrading to another phone using the same radio... Ie if you change, them moving you from unlimited 3g to limited 4g
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Ahhhh good point! Becase after the tiered plans start 3G and" 4G" aren't differentiated. Well done!
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Read the link I posted earlier. It explains EVERYTHING leaving absolutley no room for speculation.
There is no such thing as 3g or 4g data plans. DATA plan is a DATA plan. Which means UPGRADING to a 4g phone (now or after 7/7/11) does NOT change your plan in anyway, in regards to pricing or amount of data they allow you..... For now. If your a new customer, or add a new line AFTER 7/7/11, then you're screwed.
Read the link. You guys are making this WAY more complicated than it is.
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papi92 said:
Bionic won't come till august sorry to pop people's bubbles. You won't be able to get unlimited data. They used these phones as a way to get us used to 4g so we would upgrade to new dual core phones that use lte. Either we get a new non unlimited plan or pay retail price.
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Luckily I just got my Charge two weeks ago and I have 90 days at Costco to return for another phone. Great option without having to change plans.

rocketboy6885 said:
Hey guys thanks in advance for all your help,
Currently i'm rocking a Atrix 4G which I love. Great screen camera, Dual core etc. and it's rooted. With the rumors of Unlimited LTE ending on July 7th I don't want to miss another unlimited data bandwagon as I tether quite a bit.
What i'm wondering is should I do it. Selling my Atrix for the Droid Charge in order to have the Unlimited LTE. I love having my Atrix and will the Charge live up to it? You guys wiill know best so thanks a bunch
Ps. Whats the chance the Droid Bionic will launch with a special "Unlimited Data" promotion?
Till next time
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Don't switch if you wanna tether... verizon charges your bill when you tether with the popular tether programs like barnacle and wifi tether.... if you don't believe me ask any experienced android person in here or google it...
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moondrius said:
Coming from an Atrix to a Charge I have no regrets about making the switch. Even though the Charge has only a single core it is still has one of the best single core chipsets found in mobile devices. For me Lte speeds are much more of a sell then a slightly faster phone. I though it was going to be rough going from a dual core phone back to a single core but it really was not too bad.
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You are only able to use 1 core at any given time so each phone is equal in speed. Atrix sucks... it's a gimmick phone with bs laptop netbook crap
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**if your charge is dropping data daily, read this thread**

My Droid charge has been dropping my data signal up to 10X aday since I received it and for $299 price tag I think its crazy that Verizon still denies that this is going on, even with all the complaints, articles, forums to the contrary.
Today I received my 5th certified POS like new replacement device and within 15min of activating it I lost data for 4min and 9sec. Yes I counted!
At 1pm today I logged onto the BBB Web-site and logged a formal complaint.
I recieved an email from myra at the BBB a few hours later, letting me know that my complaint had been forwarded to the appropriate dept. At VZW. She also informed me that if VZW is unwilling to resolve the issue to my satisfaction, I would be eligible for some sort of arbutration or I should go to my local courthouse and file a small claims Suit which on average cost less than $40 to file.
I do plan to file my complaint with the court s if VZW can't or is unwilling to resolve my issue. I am tired of being pushed around by conpanies like VZW and not pushing back. Id love to see someone from Verizon show up in court.
Im not sure if the problem with data lies with the Droid Charge or the 4g network itself but in either case VZW needs to rectify the issues ASAP.
FLAME ON!
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I see people talk about it, but I honestly think it's a tiny but vocal minority. I haven't had any data problems on my phone that were not network related...the recent outages are a good example. Otherwise, it's been solid.

shrike1978 said:
I see people talk about it, but I honestly think it's a tiny but vocal minority. I haven't had any data problems on my phone that were not network related...the recent outages are a good example. Otherwise, it's been solid.
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Wish I could say the same. As far as a vocal few. Google "Droid charge dropping data" Or read this article by Droid police. Its a wide spread problem. So either you are extremely fortunate or you just havnt noticed.
Droid police Article
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...problems-and-its-really-pissing-everyone-off/
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Completely agree with this. I've gotten my 3rd like-new replacement and it still has these issues. I've just been holding off until the nexus device is released so I can hop to that instead of getting another charge.

I haven't seen too much of a data dropping issue outside of using certain apps that may cause it. This phone has a huge problem with death grips though. I can go from 3 bars to barely 1 just by picking up my phone.

daniel142005 said:
I haven't seen too much of a data dropping issue outside of using certain apps that may cause it. This phone has a huge problem with death grips though. I can go from 3 bars to barely 1 just by picking up my phone.
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No death grip for me. Also no apps either, Bone Stock.
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After a total of 4 charges between my wife and I we finally got one to work ok. They offered to send me another charge or to swap for a DX2. If the next charge doesn't work then they would consider swapping for a thunderbolt or a revolution. Not real happy about any of the choices they gave me.

skippy012 said:
After a total of 4 charges between my wife and I we finally got one to work ok. They offered to send me another charge or to swap for a DX2. If the next charge doesn't work then they would consider swapping for a thunderbolt or a revolution. Not real happy about any of the choices they gave me.
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Alreast they gave you options..., I would assume those would be certified like new as well
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i agree its bs. im on my 9th clnr. 3 had blown speakers, 1 had color issues, 3 had wierd rings on screen (1 black, 2 white),other 2 had major response issues and fc. factory wipes, custom kernels nothing helped. I really like the charge. My wifes works flawlessly. however samsungs quality control sucks major...... all the issues with all the phones ive had the blown speakers was the most surprising. im still trying to get a good working phone. next bad phone they send ill be call bbb too. 2 mos and 9 phones is too much.

Yeah. Certified devices. I tried to count the number of times I dropped data today but after 12 times before noon I gave up.
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skippy012 said:
Yeah. Certified devices. I tried to count the number of times I dropped data today but after 12 times before noon I gave up.
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Its a real shame, all these problems make me very weary of Samsung devices. This will keep me away from the galaxy nexus even if it is a google/cyanogen venture, its still made by Sammy.
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I'm interested to know from those of you having consistently crappy data connections:
Have you tried switching to CDMA-only mode, rather than LTE/CDMA?
If it's a lot more stable on just CDMA (3G), then the problem is mostly with the network(s) in your area. If it's just as crappy, then it's definitely the phone. IIRC, what I've been seeing a lot is that the Charge isn't very good at making the transition from LTE to CDMA when the LTE signal fades, making for extended periods of no-data while the phone tries to reconnect.
Personally, the only time I have any kind of data drop at all is when I'm switching between CDMA and LTE because I've either traveled outside of the LTE coverage, or my building's magnetic fields flux-ed enough to make a difference in the signal.
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XDAholic said:
Its a real shame, all these problems make me very weary of Samsung devices. This will keep me away from the galaxy nexus even if it is a google/cyanogen venture, its still made by Sammy.
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99.999% of the time, the problem with Samsung Android phones is the software, particularly on the US versions. All of the problems we saw on the American SGS (Captivate, Fascinate, Epic, and Vibrant) were almost completely software related. Even worse, the Captivate is essentially the international I9000 with the american version of the software.
The I9000 has/had none of the problems we saw all the time on the American versions.
The Galaxy Nexus, if it is to truly carry the Nexus name, should be a 100% Google experience. The only software put forth by Samsung will be that which is essential to talking with the modem hardware. And as long as they don't completely pooch the RIL (which I'm sure Google has been vetting over and over and over to ensure a consistent experience), then there is no reason to fear the Galaxy Nexus.

I have the same issue, and actually found myself reading through xda tonight to diagnose if this is a common issue. It seems to be getting worse from me, everytime I unlock the phone from sleep there is no data. Before I go complaining to Verizon, whats the best and most economic way to dump this thing and go for the new Nexus?

AlexDeGruven said:
I'm interested to know from those of you having consistently crappy data connections:
Have you tried switching to CDMA-only mode, rather than LTE/CDMA?
If it's a lot more stable on just CDMA (3G), then the problem is mostly with the network(s) in your area. If it's just as crappy, then it's definitely the phone. IIRC, what I've been seeing a lot is that the Charge isn't very good at making the transition from LTE to CDMA when the LTE signal fades, making for extended periods of no-data while the phone tries to reconnect.
Personally, the only time I have any kind of data drop at all is when I'm switching between CDMA and LTE because I've either traveled outside of the LTE coverage, or my building's magnetic fields flux-ed enough to make a difference in the signal.
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99.999% of the time, the problem with Samsung Android phones is the software, particularly on the US versions. All of the problems we saw on the American SGS (Captivate, Fascinate, Epic, and Vibrant) were almost completely software related. Even worse, the Captivate is essentially the international I9000 with the american version of the software.
The I9000 has/had none of the problems we saw all the time on the American versions.
The Galaxy Nexus, if it is to truly carry the Nexus name, should be a 100% Google experience. The only software put forth by Samsung will be that which is essential to talking with the modem hardware. And as long as they don't completely pooch the RIL (which I'm sure Google has been vetting over and over and over to ensure a consistent experience), then there is no reason to fear the Galaxy Nexus.
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This is true. But If memory serves me and it might not. The nexus s and nexus 4g also had connectivity problems that had to be investigated by google/sprint. I think there was also a prob with pics being deleted off the phone without warning. im not knocking google here but the fact that connectivity and Samsung keep coming up leaves me weary.
In the end ill probably end up with a galaxy nexus but I will certainly wait to see if Any issues popup 1st. I am as excited as the next Android user at a nexus phone on the big red network, but the fact that my fassy, charge and the nexus s and nexus s 4g had connectivity issues gives me pause. Its just my opinion, but Samsung seems to be the common link....
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AlexDeGruven said:
I'm interested to know from those of you having consistently crappy data connections:
Have you tried switching to CDMA-only mode, rather than LTE/CDMA?
If it's a lot more stable on just CDMA (3G), then the problem is mostly with the network(s) in your area. If it's just as crappy, then it's definitely the phone. IIRC, what I've been seeing a lot is that the Charge isn't very good at making the transition from LTE to CDMA when the LTE signal fades, making for extended periods of no-data while the phone tries to reconnect.
Personally, the only time I have any kind of data drop at all is when I'm switching between CDMA and LTE because I've either traveled outside of the LTE coverage, or my building's magnetic fields flux-ed enough to make a difference in the signal.
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99.999% of the time, the problem with Samsung Android phones is the software, particularly on the US versions. All of the problems we saw on the American SGS (Captivate, Fascinate, Epic, and Vibrant) were almost completely software related. Even worse, the Captivate is essentially the international I9000 with the american version of the software.
The I9000 has/had none of the problems we saw all the time on the American versions.
The Galaxy Nexus, if it is to truly carry the Nexus name, should be a 100% Google experience. The only software put forth by Samsung will be that which is essential to talking with the modem hardware. And as long as they don't completely pooch the RIL (which I'm sure Google has been vetting over and over and over to ensure a consistent experience), then there is no reason to fear the Galaxy Nexus.
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I did try turning off the lte but noticed no difference. It would randomly drop to no data then to 1x and eventually back to 3g. I never had a signal issue with my fascinate in the same locations.
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skippy012 said:
I did try turning off the lte but noticed no difference. It would randomly drop to no data then to 1x and eventually back to 3g. I never had a signal issue with my fascinate in the same locations.
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Same here, that was the 1st thing I tried...
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Everybody needs to call verizon to tell them whats up so they can give all charge owners the galaxy nexus like what happened with the fascinate.

Sleek69 said:
Everybody needs to call verizon to tell them whats up so they can give all charge owners the galaxy nexus like what happened with the fascinate.
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Ha, Verizon won't even admit there is a problem with the Charge and I'm pretty sure Samsung allowed the fassy for charge swap or VZW would of denied that as well. Also
I think they would Offer the Samsung stratosphere and not the nexus. Id take a, stratosphere at this point atleast it comes with GB.
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XDAholic said:
My Droid charge has been dropping my data signal up to 10X aday since I bought it for $299. I think its crazy that Verizon still denies that this is going on, even with all the complaints, articles, forums to the contrary.
Today I received my 5th certified POS like new replacement device and within 15min of activating it I lost data for 4min and 9sec. Yes I counted!
At 1pm today I logged onto the BBB Web-site and logged a formal complaint.
I recieved an email from myra at the BBB a few hours later, letting me know that my complaint had been forwarded to the appropriate dept. At VZW. She also informed me that if VZW is unwilling to resolve the issue to my satisfaction, I would be eligible for some sort of arbutration or I should go to my local courthouse and file a small claims Suit which on average cost less than $40 to file.
I do plan to file my complaint with the court s if VZW can't or is unwilling to resolve my issue. I am tired of being pushed around by conpanies like VZW and not pushing back. Id love to see someone from Verizon show up in court.
Im not sure if the problem with data lies with the Droid Charge or the 4g network itself but in either case VZW needs to rectify the issues ASAP.
I suggest anyone that is having problems with data dropping out continually, which I suspect is most if not all of you. Go to the BBB Web-site and log your own compliant. In the end we might not get any satisfaction for the problem but I will be satisfied with the fact that I tried to do something about it.
FLAME ON!
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honestly i had the same problem when i got my phone. You should have them check the coverage area. Online the coverage area for San Fernando Valley, CA( look it up and youll see what im talking about) is FULL red, but then I was having the problems you had. They zoomed in on there maps and in my area is WEAK 4g (they call it extended coverage). Went to a FULL 4g area and never lost connection. As soon as i Get back in my area im in and out and it keeps dropping to 1x and then tuns off network..luckly i have WIFI...hoped this helped

XDAholic said:
Wish I could say the same. As far as a vocal few. Google "Droid charge dropping data" Or read this article by Droid police. Its a wide spread problem. So either you are extremely fortunate or you just havnt noticed.
Droid police Article
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...problems-and-its-really-pissing-everyone-off/
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Google any random phone this way and you'll get the same results. I'm not seeing anything special here. For every phone, there is a vocal group claiming that there is a flaw in that phone causing data drops.
The fact remains that myself and a coworker both have Charges, mine is rooted, his isn't, and neither of us have seen these data dropping issues. If I were to believe the article you linked, then other friends' Thunderbolts and Bionics should have the data issues, yet they don't. I should also note as well that I travel between LTE and non-LTE areas on a weekly basis and I've yet to see the phone fail to make the transition as the linked article implies. I have this phone since late June and have yet to see these issues in my own phone or in others.

My Galaxy S II Skyrocket Review

I painfully wrote a very long review with videos and pictures of the Galaxy S II Skyrocket. Just thought I'd share it with you guys.
http://briefmobile.com/review-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-skyrocket-att
Overall, I think it's a very solid phone. I'm sure there are plenty of users out there wondering: "Should I buy the Skyrocket?" I'm not sure I answer that unanswerable question in my review, but hopefully it clears things up for anyone who hasn't made up their mind.
One of the main points, that I stress in the conclusion is that AT&T forecasted 170 million covered with LTE by the end of 2012. And, Advanced coming in 2013. If you're committing to two years with a device, don't necessarily go with the SGS2 I777 because LTE doesn't cover your area. I think that's a really valid point. Although the Exynos model is more powerful, LTE is arguably more important to most people.
Thoughts? Everyone happy with the device? Unhappy? Anything you want me to check on?

The website is down! But the Google Cache version is up.
There have been constant reports of network issues. This is on AT&T's side of things, not the device itself. It seems that the towers are not properly recognizing the device (be it on LTE, HSPA+, etc.) and dropping signal. There is a temporary APN fix in the development fourm. Multiple users have called into AT&T to tell them about it--- I would advise others to do the same so that they know this is a widespread issue.
Other than that, this is a great phone.

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The website is down! But the Google Cache version is up.
There have been constant reports of network issues. This is on AT&T's side of things, not the device itself. It seems that the towers are not properly recognizing the device (be it on LTE, HSPA+, etc.) and dropping signal. There is a temporary APN fix in the development fourm. Multiple users have called into AT&T to tell them about it--- I would advise others to do the same so that they know this is a widespread issue.
Other than that, this is a great phone.
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Interesting. I haven't experienced any network issues. Then again, I've been cold swapping SIMs and changing APNs on a daily basis between my review unit SIM and personal SIM.
I wonder why the website was down for you. Looks up now. Hopefully no more downtime.

Haven't had any issues. Have root working and just installed the first (of many) deoxed stock rom...... Needs a touch of Alien though, LOL. Glad to see ya. Thinking about a new phone-task? Hope they don't drop a samsung phone in 29 days that is better but so far this phone seems solid. I think it has a lot of potential. Granted the exynos isn'tin it but the snapdragon3 oc'd a little to 1.7ish....I think this phone will be awesome even moreso when there are more LTE areas.
Not to mention NFC support and ICS confirmed.

kennethpenn said:
Interesting. I haven't experienced any network issues. Then again, I've been cold swapping SIMs and changing APNs on a daily basis between my review unit SIM and personal SIM.
I wonder why the website was down for you. Looks up now. Hopefully no more downtime.
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Yay, its back up!
Here is the thread with users reporting the issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1339122

Great revue, congratulation. I think it's the best revue in I read on this phone, well written, well documented and technically savy enough.
Thank you very much for your hard work

I was going to get a skyrocket until I researched the differences between it and i777. The LTE is only so much of a positive, especially since you should use wifi whenever you can. Some guy on another thread used 6gb over LTE in a week, which is enough to get you throttled. Someone commented that you can use 2gb over LTE in 20 minutes. For the most part, LTE just means things occur a little faster. I compared Pandora's loading time and some other things between the two and there was only a minor (and sometimes non-existent) difference. The LTE is a plus, but a relatively small one (especially if you don't want to get throttled).
On the plus side, the i777 comes out far ahead. The processor difference is more than just a higher-quality processor. The difference is so great that the skyrocket's processor has to be set to 1.5 ghz just to match the speed and performance of the i777's 1.2 ghz. That means you won't be able to overclock the skyrocket as much because you are starting higher. In addition, the GPU on the skyrocket is quite inferior. The result is a choppy experience. I compared the two and saw this time and time again. In addition, the resolution is worse on the skyrocket (same pixels but bigger screen). This is stuff people will notice and use on a daily basis, much more often than LTE. Also, there is not going to be nearly as much dev work on the skyrocket.
Really, there is one small advantage of the skyrocket (LTE) and a lot of big ones for the i777.

QuarkGluonSoup said:
On the plus side, the i777 comes out far ahead. The processor difference is more than just a higher-quality processor. The difference is so great that the skyrocket's processor has to be set to 1.5 ghz just to match the speed and performance of the i777's 1.2 ghz. That means you won't be able to overclock the skyrocket as much because you are starting higher. In addition, the GPU on the skyrocket is quite inferior. The result is a choppy experience. I compared the two and saw this time and time again. In addition, the resolution is worse on the skyrocket (same pixels but bigger screen). This is stuff people will notice and use on a daily basis, much more often than LTE. Also, there is not going to be nearly as much dev work on the skyrocket.
Really, there is one small advantage of the skyrocket (LTE) and a lot of big ones for the i777.
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Have you used (owned) the phone for a day or more? I haven't experienced any lag in day to day use at all. Gaming has not been a problem, although I cannot compare it to the SGS2 since I did not own it. The HSPA+ network is actually a lot better on this phone than my previous Infuse and other phones were. So even if you are not in an LTE area, it could be worth it, especially if you plan on keeping it for two years as LTE becomes more widely available.
If you used the phone in-store that could explain things. After I got rid of the bloatware and cleaned up some routine things (like I do on every phone / computer once purchased) the in-store "lagness" disappeared completely. As far as the "exynos vs snapdragon" debate --- it is still a dual core phone. Most phones can't claim that. While Exynos may be better on sheet, it isn't compatible (yet) with LTE. Given that the day to day experiences are the same (roughly benchmark the same as well), I will put this as a positive for the snapdragon.
Coming from the SGS2 it might not be worth the upgrade (since it just released a month ago). But if anyone is coming from other phones I would recommend this over the SGS2 for the reasons I stated.

Dumb question -- If I go get this from AT&T, am I going to see additional monthly charges due to my "upgrading" to LTE or is my contract the same? If so, say I sell my SGSII and buy the Skyrocket off the secondary market -- Would I get LTE in the areas available with my normal contract?

schwalbach said:
Dumb question -- If I go get this from AT&T, am I going to see additional monthly charges due to my "upgrading" to LTE or is my contract the same? If so, say I sell my SGSII and buy the Skyrocket off the secondary market -- Would I get LTE in the areas available with my normal contract?
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No you won't see any additional charges. You do have to upgrade (exchange for 4G) your sim card though.

QuarkGluonSoup said:
I was going to get a skyrocket until I researched the differences between it and i777. The LTE is only so much of a positive, especially since you should use wifi whenever you can. Some guy on another thread used 6gb over LTE in a week, which is enough to get you throttled. Someone commented that you can use 2gb over LTE in 20 minutes. For the most part, LTE just means things occur a little faster. I compared Pandora's loading time and some other things between the two and there was only a minor (and sometimes non-existent) difference. The LTE is a plus, but a relatively small one (especially if you don't want to get throttled).
On the plus side, the i777 comes out far ahead. The processor difference is more than just a higher-quality processor. The difference is so great that the skyrocket's processor has to be set to 1.5 ghz just to match the speed and performance of the i777's 1.2 ghz. That means you won't be able to overclock the skyrocket as much because you are starting higher. In addition, the GPU on the skyrocket is quite inferior. The result is a choppy experience. I compared the two and saw this time and time again. In addition, the resolution is worse on the skyrocket (same pixels but bigger screen). This is stuff people will notice and use on a daily basis, much more often than LTE. Also, there is not going to be nearly as much dev work on the skyrocket.
Really, there is one small advantage of the skyrocket (LTE) and a lot of big ones for the i777.
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I completely disagree. Man I just don't understand the need to make up lies and no valid point as to why osgs2 is better. You like everyone else are just defending your purchase. For all potential owners do your own research. From my personal experience with both phone your not missing anything but gaining LTE, 4.5 screen, higher HSPA+ speed better battery. If you like lots of custom roms and your a gamer go with the osgs2.
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No you won't see any additional charges. You do have to upgrade (exchange for 4G) your sim card though.
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So changing out your 3G for 4G SIM card does that constitute a contract change and then give ATT free reign to change your plan and take away the unlimited grandfathered plans and features that I have had for several years and I am absolutely not willing to change?

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So changing out your 3G for 4G SIM card does that constitute a contract change and then give ATT free reign to change your plan and take away the unlimited grandfathered plans and features that I have had for several years and I am absolutely not willing to change?
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Possibly? You would have to ask a store rep. I still have unlimited and my features from my previous plans. I am not sure if a sim card upgrade constitutes as a plan/contract upgrade.

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Possibly? You would have to ask a store rep. I still have unlimited and my features from my previous plans. I am not sure if a sim card upgrade constitutes as a plan/contract upgrade.
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Just was checking and getting feedback...I always ask the rep to NOT change any instance of my plan or adjust anything that will effect the status of it. Thanks for the input and thoughts.

good review Ken. yeah the only problem i have with this thing so far is the resolution (especially when you go from looking at a vivid/raider screen to it). and changing the density is good but then touchwiz and the dialer need to be resized.

hkeyman said:
So changing out your 3G for 4G SIM card does that constitute a contract change and then give ATT free reign to change your plan and take away the unlimited grandfathered plans and features that I have had for several years and I am absolutely not willing to change?
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No we can change your sim card without touching your data plan. No worries.

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good review Ken. yeah the only problem i have with this thing so far is the resolution (especially when you go from looking at a vivid/raider screen to it). and changing the density is good but then touchwiz and the dialer need to be resized.
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I completely agree. That's by far the worst aspect of the device.

Great review Mr. Penn

If you had a previous "4g" device such as infuse,attic,inspire,or the gs2 you dont need to switch your sim just pop the old out and into your New phone
(Going back and forth between the og and skyrocket)

There is always going to be pros and cons on any phone that comes out. Whether its hardware or looks there will always be people who like it or dislike it. Just from what I have read the lte is only major advantage the skyrocket has. Other then that there pretty close as far as day to day use. I don't live in a lte area and I have no idea when it will actually be available here. I hear people say get the skyrocket now cause in a year or two it lte should be available in most major cities. That's my issue though cause in a year or two there will be a lot more phones that are lte capable out there. They will be faster and probably HD screen (seems to be the way the screens are going now) have the latest software etc etc etc. So I will wait. Even though I have a upgrade next month ill wait. Quad core phones are starting to step into the picture. By next year we should have some amazing phones with outrageous specs. I am jealous at those that live in a lte area. The lte speeds you guys are getting are crazy.
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Rogers doesn't allow tethering for LTE Plans

Hey guys,
Rogers doesn't allow tethering for my LTE plan (( I have a i727) what other ways can I tether without paying?

What plan do you have? I have been tethering on a LTE plan without extra cost...
I downloaded 2.8GB of data in under 8 minutes tethered in Toronto on LTE...wanted to see how quickly I could use the rest of my data lol.
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Hey guys. I'm assuming you both own the SGS2 LTE from Rogers. How are they? Do your devices also have the screen defect? How long have you had your devices? I'm asking because I want to get one, but am reluctant because of the screen defect many of the devices have.

huh
im tethering all the time lol , no charges

RoLo. said:
Hey guys. I'm assuming you both own the SGS2 LTE from Rogers. How are they? Do your devices also have the screen defect? How long have you had your devices? I'm asking because I want to get one, but am reluctant because of the screen defect many of the devices have.
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Lol thread jacking much? I don't have the screen defect as stated in this forum and the t989 forum.
Coming from the gt-i9100m, the screen isn't quite as sharp but it's almost identical.
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had a gs2 since august 20, but my 727r since december 5
i like the phone alot. I miss the amount of development that was on the 9100m, but whatever. There is still good dev's helping out and the phone works well. Not quite as fast, not as much support with some games, but it's coming along...oh...and LTE works really well.....heh.

apparently my 2gb lte plan doesnt come with tethering access & on the rogers bill when I switched from a blackberry 1gb data to the 2gb lte plan they removed tethering access. I had the phone since it came out, its nice but sometimes overheats. The screen could be better

What does really prevent you from tethering? Forget the stupid "restrictions" on paper. I'm not on an LTE plan but despite Rogers' contract specifically stating that my 6GB data plan cannot be used for tethering, I was tethering both wireless and/or USB without any problems or additional charges. Give it a try, I just don't see how they could prevent it. The phone comes with everything you need.
@ RoLo
As far as the phone itself, I have been using it for about 2 months now and I'm quite pleased with it - no screen defect/problems. The only downfall is the battery - definitely not the worst among Android devices but with only 8-10 hrs of medium-heavy duty usage I needed to buy another battery just to make sure it survives the day without additional charge.

Rogers LTE Data Plans do include tethering.
If you have LTE you should jump on the 6 gig my 10 plan.

Thinking about coming to the dark side..

What's up One X peeps? I am currently with Sprint on a Galaxy S2 in the Bristol, Tn area. Not so great of service and it is only 3g coverage for Sprint here so far(no plans in the future to add LTE here as far as I know...which is stupid because the race track is sponsored by Sprint and yet they have the worst service in the area duhuh..)...aaanyway, I am considering AT&T because I can pay a little extra and have 4g almost anywhere I go in the Tri Cities. So I am torn between the S3 and the One X. I have had Sense phones and touchwiz phones so I am really asking if anyone would care to share what they love about their One X and why they chose it over the S3. They are both remarkable but I am honestly leaning toward the One X because it is different in an appealing kind of way. I am just an average user other than rooting every phone I get my hands on. Browsing, texting, listening to music with headphones, email, etc. I had a Nexus S 4G before the S2 and a Hero before that. I have loved all of my phones but I kind of want something different right now. It also helps that the One X is on sale for $99 until September.

Funny you mentioned the race track, I'm right by Pocono and there is no lte either lol, oh wait there's no service at all by the SPRINT sponsored race track! Lolol. So glad I'm on att now
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DO IT. I was with Sprint for 5 years, and ever since they got the iPhone my 3G speeds were simply atrocious. How good is having unlimited data when you're pulling 0.5mbps down(on a good day)? And I'm in a network vision completed area! The difference really is night and day, and so damn worth it.
Also, battery life on the One X with LTE is better than my EVO 4G, EVO 3D and Galaxy Nexus ever had on 3G... TIMES TWO. I've left my phone unplugged for eight hours when going to bed, to wake up and find out it only used 2% battery. ON LTE.
There really is no contest here. It's even worth paying an ETF. I sold my (mint condition) Galaxy Nexus on ebay for $350 and paid my ETF with that.
Good luck!

I was a Sprint customer for a decade and finally got fed up with their data speeds. What's the point of unlimited data if you can't even use it? After a brief trial with Verizon, I made the move to AT&T in January and couldn't be happier. The HOX is an absolute beast of a phone and coupled with AT&T's blazing LTE speeds (and even their fast-enough HSPA+ when LTE isn't available) it's pretty much unstoppable. I had heard horror stories about AT&T's customer service before coming over here but my experience with them has been nothing but positive, and I have tested the patience of more than a handful of AT&T reps since making the move. They are friendly, somewhat knowledgeable, they do try to help as best they can, and best of all- they are incredibly easy to manipulate. Do it man, you'll be glad you did.

The main reason I left sprint was due to the horrible 3G speeds. You know how bad it feels to see buffering every 5 seconds on sprint watching youtube? The slowest speed I've got on ATT was 6mbps, thats more than enough for anything I need to do. Sprint, I was barely able to do 0.5mpbs with full bars, pathetic.
Good bye Sprint, You won't ever see me again. I'm paying $10 more a month, but its we'll worth it.

Yeah, I am thinking it is going to be worth the transfer. It doesnt seem too crazy to get root and unlock the bootloader from what I have read so I am sure I can manage. The only work arpund I will have to find is the storage but dropbox is offering the 25gb space still if I am not mistaken.

HareyCarey said:
Yeah, I am thinking it is going to be worth the transfer. It doesnt seem too crazy to get root and unlock the bootloader from what I have read so I am sure I can manage. The only work arpund I will have to find is the storage but dropbox is offering the 25gb space still if I am not mistaken.
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The latest firmware version (2.20) is not currently rootable, although its being worked on. No root also means no bootloader unlock. It seems that based on reports here, a lot of newly purchased One X's have 2.20 pre-installed. Maybe you can find a store with some older stock (1.73 and 1.85 are okay). But if you need root and unlocked BL right now, be aware when buying.
Also, I think AT&T stopped supporting the Dropbox promotion a while ago.

I'd recommend the secondary market vs buying a new one at this point.

Att gave me a $175 trade on my Epic 4G touch when I came from sprint a month ago...best decision I made in a long time.
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come on over! I honestly don't know how people put up with Sprint's data speeds. Also, I don't have any complaints with AT&T except I'm patiently waiting for LTE in Denver (HSPA+ is good enough, but why put up with "good enough" ). I've been with the company since their Cingular days and won't be going anywhere for a while (unless I jump over to Straight Talk to save some $$)

The S3 has better hardware specs but the HOX is better looking.
Basically it comes down to sd card/more ram/removable battery vs better screen and build quality.
IMO the S3 is ugly as sin, with a dated, pedestrian design (seriously, a physical home button?). But some people like it.
If you're a power user you may be better off with the S3 because of the better multitasking (more ram) and storage space. If looks and design matter to you, go with the HOX.
I came from iOS, so the sd card slot and battery were not really a big deal, while the design was.
AT&T's coverage is not as big as Verizon's but the data speeds are nice. Their customer service has always been pretty good on most issues (exceptions being the various things they like to lock down--but Verizon has always been far worse about that anyway).

HareyCarey said:
What's up One X peeps? I am currently with Sprint on a Galaxy S2 in the Bristol, Tn area. Not so great of service and it is only 3g coverage for Sprint here so far(no plans in the future to add LTE here as far as I know...which is stupid because the race track is sponsored by Sprint and yet they have the worst service in the area duhuh..)...aaanyway, I am considering AT&T because I can pay a little extra and have 4g almost anywhere I go in the Tri Cities. So I am torn between the S3 and the One X. I have had Sense phones and touchwiz phones so I am really asking if anyone would care to share what they love about their One X and why they chose it over the S3. They are both remarkable but I am honestly leaning toward the One X because it is different in an appealing kind of way. I am just an average user other than rooting every phone I get my hands on. Browsing, texting, listening to music with headphones, email, etc. I had a Nexus S 4G before the S2 and a Hero before that. I have loved all of my phones but I kind of want something different right now. It also helps that the One X is on sale for $99 until September.
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if you want a year old device and pentile....nexus.
if you want up to date hardware and a fawking amazing screen..HOX
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ptesmoke said:
if you want a year old device and pentile....nexus.
if you want up to date hardware and a fawking amazing screen..HOX
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U know how ppl who have sprint deal with the horrid speeds? by never experiencing good speeds..lol..I've never saw over a mb/s unless on my airave or WiFi....I don't even attempt doing stuff when I'm out and about that requires more than minimal bandwidth..but I'm in the early 2nd round of network vision so hopefully that will change ..if 6mb/s is slow for you then I'm jealous..can't imagine u need much more than that for anything..YouTube app still buffers for me on WiFi when playing hd content..and its 20 down..anyone else have that issue ?

firmbiz94 said:
U know how ppl who have sprint deal with the horrid speeds? by never experiencing good speeds..lol..I've never saw over a mb/s unless on my airave or WiFi....I don't even attempt doing stuff when I'm out and about that requires more than minimal bandwidth..but I'm in the early 2nd round of network vision so hopefully that will change ..if 6mb/s is slow for you then I'm jealous..can't imagine u need much more than that for anything..YouTube app still buffers for me on WiFi when playing hd content..and its 20 down..anyone else have that issue ?
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What does "buffers" mean?
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The LTE service that I get is so fast, there is ZERO difference from WiFi, and can even be faster in some cases. When I start watching a video on youtube and switch to HD, it starts playing immediately. I can't even begin to explain how much faster it is compared to even Sprint's solid WiMAX service here in Boston.
Speaking of WiMAX, LTE on AT&T runs at 700mhz, so LTE signals penetrate buildings even better than 3G and voice if you can believe it. I remember with WiMAX my signal would drop if I stepped over a shadow.
And while I've seen bursts of up to 60mbps(I kid you not), It's the insanely low ping times(about 30ms) that make you feel like you're using WiFi.

I think I will go for it. It will cost probably $10-20 mpre a month because pf the discpunt I get with Sprint through my bank...but again, I am tired of waiting for service and having to constantly roam with roamcontrol just to make a phone call in my apartment. I will try to get time to give more thanks later. I believe I talked myself into it earlier today. Design and feel mean a lot to me. And if those Apple fanbois are happy with no removable battery or sd card then I can manage too lol. Thank you all for your input!

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It's pretty much is what I get to see while attempting to watch any video content LOL..

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If you want amazing dev nexus if you want bad aosp dev due to att being good one x
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