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Sprint Touch Pro vs. AT&T Fuze

So I'd like the experts to weigh in on this one: I'm pretty sure I'm getting the Touch Pro but I'd like to know the pros/cons of going the sprint route vs. the AT&T route. Do the same cooked roms on this site work on both, or only on the GSM (AT&T) version of the phone? Do people find the CDMA network faster/slower than the GSM network for Data (i.e. how do their 3G speeds compare). What other features might be different? And I know there's been some confusion on release dates but has that been cleared up at all?
...Part of me wants to wait and see if the Touch HD Pro will come out (HD w/ QWERTY) but I don't know if I can wait that long, and if it's only released for Europe w/out US 3G that'd suck...
Thanks all for your help!

I'd also like to see a good summary of the differences with the 2 providers. I'm probably going to be leaving Verizon for this phone.
I'd also read that the Touch HD would not be released in the US - so I'm pretty much counting on the Touch Pro.

jumping along with this one

Somebody can give more details, but I can still pitch in a little bit.
I'm from Canada so I can't really pitch in for pros/con for T-Mobile/AT&T. One advice is to get a real good look at the 3G coverage because ultimately that can be a big factor depending where you live/go.
From what I read, I wouldn't hold my breath for the HD, apparently it's currently not planned for North America. One with a keyboard is even a longer shot because of it's size, making it thicker would pretty much make it a huge phone, don't know if there's a big market for that.
As for the ROM, I saw that Elite Team is talking about making a CDMA rom, but in this forum, you will find much more GSM material. I believe that the North America user are not a huge proportion of the user base, so it explains why most of the talk is revolving around GSM.
Hope this helps a bit in your decision, overall the TP is very nice and I think the custom ROMs in this forum can make it a greater phone!

That definitely helps - If it makes a difference in terms of which service would be better, i live in the NYC area and so getting the coverage on either network wouldn't be an issue. I've heard good things about the sprint high speed network, but haven't used their service in like 5yrs, so have no idea if they've gotten better or worse since then.
In any case, the features of each phone look pretty comparable. It's not like the sprint phone will have some sort of killer app that the AT&T version wouldn't have.
I guess time will tell once people actually start using these and comparing notes on them. Is "Sprint TV" anything? I know that comes with the sprint version but have no idea what it is.

slyng1 said:
That definitely helps - If it makes a difference in terms of which service would be better, i live in the NYC area and so getting the coverage on either network wouldn't be an issue. I've heard good things about the sprint high speed network, but haven't used their service in like 5yrs, so have no idea if they've gotten better or worse since then.
In any case, the features of each phone look pretty comparable. It's not like the sprint phone will have some sort of killer app that the AT&T version wouldn't have.
I guess time will tell once people actually start using these and comparing notes on them. Is "Sprint TV" anything? I know that comes with the sprint version but have no idea what it is.
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sprint tv is tv on the go u get channels like nfl network , disney, and cnn live,but most of the channels arent live just clips and stuff...the only difference i see with them is the fuze took away the number row and replaced it with symbols, as far as networks i dont know whos is better, but sprints $15 data plan comes with sprint tv and you get 3g with att u have the pay for internet then if u want 3g then u have to pay a extra $10, but that mite just be for the iphone

labbbby said:
I believe that the North America user are not a huge proportion of the user base, so it explains why most of the talk is revolving around GSM.
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I take offense to you lumping me, a GSM user, in with the likes of Verizon and Sprint.
A co-worker of mine has the Vogue (CDMA Touch) on Verizon, and it's total BS what you have to go through when you flash a new radio or ROM to the device. Verizon uses something called an "A-Key" to authenticate you to their data network, and that key is wiped out on radio flashes (sometimes ROM flashes), so you constantly have to call Verizon to have them resend you a key to allow data connections (ALL data, not just ICS) to work.
...and Sprint has registry keys built into their ROMs to prevent ICS from working. Admittedly, this annoyance has a much easier workaround that Verizon's, but it's still BS.
havox22 said:
...with att u have the pay for internet then if u want 3g then u have to pay a extra $10, but that mite just be for the iphone
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AT&T has several different data packages available, and the device you have determines your choices, but all of them connect to 3G without additional fees.

Att All The Way!
As an owner of the FUZE. I can tell you I love this phone. The ATT version will a little different because it’s GSM. Forget the TV that any device comes with and get a Sling Box.
- Change your SIM to a cheap phone when you go Drinking or to the beach or overseas!
- Video Share, although not used a lot I use it and love it!
- Push To Talk, Again not really used a lot but its there.
Wow I sound like I work for ATT or something!

garymedina said:
As an owner of the FUZE. I can tell you I love this phone. The ATT version will a little different because it’s GSM. Forget the TV that any device comes with and get a Sling Box.
- Change your SIM to a cheap phone when you go Drinking or to the beach or overseas!
- Video Share, although not used a lot I use it and love it!
- Push To Talk, Again not really used a lot but its there.
Wow I sound like I work for ATT or something!
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definetly like being able to pop the sim in a crappy phone
wich my 8525 will be soon enough

The other thing to remember is Sprint is really struggling right now and may not be around much longer. If you do travel anywhere outside of the US and want to take your phone, you will want GSM. Just my 2 cents.

Sprint is better in my opinion
sprint evdo rev a is $15/month which is the fastest mobile speed you can get in the US, versus ATT 3G $30/month which much slower (i have compared a mogul versus 3g iphone, and the mogul(ppc-6800) is reasonably faster)
sprint $15 unlimited texting
ATT $20 unlimited texting
this all comes down to what your friends have?, because if you talk alot and your friends/family has att, then just go with them since mobile to mobile is unlimited and vice versa if you have sprint friends/family.
also, the previous poster is correct in the sense that sprint is obviously not good outside the US and for switching phones all the time.
sprint is using a dying technology (cdma) but at this time, there is no denying that it is the fastest data in U.S. and sprint has alot of coverage nation wide.
i think it will be a couple of years before CDMA is completely out of the picture and anyone buying the touch pro will on to their next phone at that point.

shadowwarz said:
sprint evdo rev a is $15/month which is the fastest mobile speed you can get in the US, versus ATT 3G $30/month which much slower (i have compared a mogul versus 3g iphone, and the mogul(ppc-6800) is reasonably faster)
sprint $15 unlimited texting
ATT $20 unlimited texting
this all comes down to what your friends have?, because if you talk alot and your friends/family has att, then just go with them since mobile to mobile is unlimited and vice versa if you have sprint friends/family.
also, the previous poster is correct in the sense that sprint is obviously not good outside the US and for switching phones all the time.
sprint is using a dying technology (cdma) but at this time, there is no denying that it is the fastest data in U.S. and sprint has alot of coverage nation wide.
i think it will be a couple of years before CDMA is completely out of the picture and anyone buying the touch pro will on to their next phone at that point.
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i agree with basically everything you said. The phones are basically the same, and flashing sprint phones doesn't take anything special besides making sure the Rom/Kitchen is designed for Sprint. Which most of the ones on ppcgeeks.com are on sprint first anyways sometimes only sprint.
but if you do international traveling I would definitely get the ATT version, just so all you have to do is pop in a different SIM card.
But ultimately it just comes down to which plan you can get for cheaper I'd say, like for the same minutes/data.

I travel a lot. Several times a week, and both nationally and internationally.
I use the Kaiser on ATT, and unless I am out in the middle of God's country (like, say, Carroll Iowa... don't ask), I find 3G and H all over.
I haven't used Sprint in forever.... but, as far as data goes, ATT seems to have pretty great coverage.

Making it simple:
Sprint
+Cheaper plans
+slightly better up/down speeds (especially factoring in the iphone factor)
-Harder to Flash (?, based on what's said here)
AT&T
+Usable internationally
+Easier to flash (again, based on whats said here)
-Data more expensive unless you lie to AT&T about your device (possibly causing a huge bill someday)
-Data speeds a bit slower
beyond that I couldn't say much more that isn't placebo or really effected by too many other factors... Traditionally Sprint phones will use more power then their GSM counterparts.. but there's a lotta factors involved in this issue

Also, with the Sprint CDMA network you don't get the annoying sound of speakers freaking out when you walk around and your phone does things in your pocket, unlike the AT&T GSM network.
Although if you like to be a pain, you may prefer the speaker interference caused by GSM phones.

Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out. It's especially annoying in meetings when there is a conferance phone with speakers near all of the seats. I have to leave my phone at my desk! Not to mention the 9 billion dropped calls i get with this damn thing!

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Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out. It's especially annoying in meetings when there is a conferance phone with speakers near all of the seats. I have to leave my phone at my desk! Not to mention the 9 billion dropped calls i get with this damn thing!
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if you turn the data off the speakers shouldnt be affected unless a text comes in

I read somewhere that verizon wireless is also going to carry the touch pro.

rrider77 said:
I read somewhere that verizon wireless is also going to carry the touch pro.
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yes this has been known
but it isnt really in teh same league since they are cutting the processor and ram and also removing the tilt sensor

HTC_Feind said:
Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out.
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It's half true only.
The noise which you hear through speaker only appears when you're in GSM/GPRS/EDGE mode but not in 3G UMTS/HSDPA mode. Furthermore, all GSM phones on any carrier all around the world will do the same.

Contract is (sorta) up...deciding between MT4g and EVO

I am going to post this in both forums. I think it will be an interesting read for each. haha
I'm on sprint. My Premier account is up and I can get a phone upgrade. I currently have a Hero and was going to get an EVO on Monday.
Because of the pro-rated ETF fees from Sprint, I can cancel my account for $120.
I watched several reviews for the My Touch 4g and was really impressed with the phone. The quadrant scores were cool to see. I realize that isn't the be all/end all but from the couple days of research I did on the phone, I am liking what I'm seeing.
I've read up on the EVO for several weeks now. I'm familiar with the phone and realize the amount of user support it has. I am 'pro root' so I would be looking for the root option in the future.
Price wise, T-Mobile and Sprint with WI-Max would be about the same cost to me each month.
With choosing to stay with Sprint I'd lose the Premier account status. I would have to sit with the MT4G for 2 years or buy out of pocket.
I'd be buying an 'older' phone but one that has a great user community. I'd probably be happy with the Evo until my next Premier renew date.
I'd have the Wi-Max network to use.
I'd have a better screen? I don't know yet as I haven't tried the MT4G at a store.
With choosing to go with T-Mobile I'd be getting a newer phone for the same price as I would pay for the Evo (ETF of $120 and I've seen the MT4G for sale for $80). Next gen processor.
I'd be losing screen real estate and the look and feel of the Evo which I've come to like.
I'd be losing the xda community support or the amount. I am sure the MT4G community will grow.
I'd be committed to T-Mobile for 2 years. I wouldn't be able to upgrade after 12 months.
***Coverage-wise, it's a tossup. I live in Minneapolis and have Wi-Max and from what I see on T-Mobile, HSPA+ is here too. A concern of mine is that when we travel back home (to eastern wisconsin) the coverage for T-Mobile is extinct. the website shows it using a different carrier. Sprint back home is 3g.
Not sure what I want to do. My friend who has an Evo looked at the MT4g and said he wouldn't switch based on looks. He hadn't investigated the phone in depth. Guess looks are important but I'm thinking a few other things that should weigh into the equation.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. I'll probably get fanboys from each forum but I'm sure there will be enough objective info to glean.
Thanks folks!

As you can see from my sig, I've had a decent amount of phones over the last couple years, and I can honestly say that the MT4G is my favorite of them thus far. Yes, even over the favored Nexus One. If the MT4G had "fastboot oem unlock" it would be perfect lol.
The big differences between the EVO and the MT4G is obviously the size and the newer hardware in the latter phone. Software can be swapped out at will, so if you don't like the mySense UI, give it some time and you can have your regular Sense or something like CM6. Hardware, on the other hand, can't be adjusted so if you pick the EVO you will always have the older Snapdragon and less memory. The screens on both of the phones are identical(as far as hardware is concerned), I believe, aside from the obvious size difference. The argument still rages whether or not the MT4G has SLCD or regular LCD(like the EVO). According to some reviewers, it's one. According to others, it's another. So, as far as hardware specs go, the question you need to ask is this: Do you want a bigger screen, but older internals? Or do you want a smaller screen(in comparison), but the latest and greatest?
On the topic of WiMAX: There was an article I read the other day saying that Clearwire, the provider of Sprint's 4G network, is cutting 15% of it's workforce to save money. This doesn't necessarily mean the company is in trouble, and most people speculate it's just Clear cutting costs to plan for the future. Your mileage may vary, but most reviews I have read have the HSPA+ of T-Mobile providing faster speeds than the WiMAX of Sprint.
On the topic of Community: Don't let the fact that the MT4G has a small community right now fool you. The phone hasn't even been out for a month, and we just achieved root the other day. When I moved from my G1 to the Motorola Droid, I was pretty unhappy with the tiny community that was supporting it and that was one of the (many) reasons I moved to the Nexus One as soon I was able. Now, the community is thriving. The same thing will happen here as more developers start getting this phone.

Thanks for responding. You brought up some stuff that I was thinking about but forgot to post. The Wi-Max thing is more about cost than anything. I've never had it and I don't like having to pay more a month for a phone that has it. My friend says that Minneapolis Wi-Max is about 8-8.9mb down. I don't expect that to be the same for me (I live about 15 miles away from where he works).
The cost of the plan with Wi-Max is the same as the cost of the HSPA+. Do I pay the extra money for Sprint or T-Mobile. Sprint's been good to me but it's not like they've been the most successful mobile communications company the last several years.
Another thing I thought of was that if I needed or wanted to get a different phone, the sprint CDMA choices are limited compared to the GSM T-Mobile phones (I'm talking on ebay).

daryllh said:
Thanks for responding. You brought up some stuff that I was thinking about but forgot to post. The Wi-Max thing is more about cost than anything. I've never had it and I don't like having to pay more a month for a phone that has it. My friend says that Minneapolis Wi-Max is about 8-8.9mb down. I don't expect that to be the same for me (I live about 15 miles away from where he works).
The cost of the plan with Wi-Max is the same as the cost of the HSPA+. Do I pay the extra money for Sprint or T-Mobile. Sprint's been good to me but it's not like they've been the most successful mobile communications company the last several years.
Another thing I thought of was that if I needed or wanted to get a different phone, the sprint CDMA choices are limited compared to the GSM T-Mobile phones (I'm talking on ebay).
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My recommendation to you is to stick with GSM carriers. They're much easier to work with. If you end up not liking the phone, and decide to sell it (or trade it), it's as simple as taking your SIM card out and putting the new buyer's in. When I sold my Droid, both me and my customer spent half a day on the phone with Verizon trying to convince them to let her activate it. They kept trying to tell us they couldn't release the phone from my now inactive account until the billing cycle was done, which was two weeks after I sold the phone.
I'd invite your friend over for a beer and borrow his EVO and see what kind of speeds you get out where you live. Speaking of, if for some reason, you actually don't have WiMAX where you live/work, you end up still paying the extra money for it regardless.
If you're worried about getting stuck with a phone you may not like for two years, why not buy it off contract? Yes, the upfront cost is higher but typically you end up spending less over a two year period than you would on contract. For instance, T-Mobile's "prepaid" packages are around $20 less than the postpaid. If you really end up not liking the service or the phone, throw it up on CraigsList or something similiar and try the other.

HSPA+, and T-mobile coverage in general, is a hit or miss in Minneapolis while Sprint is not too bad as far as I know. I mean, you will always have your voice connection but may be dropping to Edge quite often for data.
My suggestion: Start a new account with T-mobile, pick up MT4G with a different number and try it out for 2 weeks. If you like it - port your number to T-mobile. If you don't - return the phone and you won't loose much money.
Good luck.

Speaking as someone who broke his Sprint contract and sold his Evo (actually two of them) to switch to T-Mobile for the MT4G, I couldn't be happier.
That being said, the main driver for my decision was that Sprint still doesn't have WiMax in Indianapolis, and T-Mobile does have HSPA+. Sprint's 3G varies wildly here, and the places I was the most (work/home) had the worst signal/data speeds. Another thing about Sprint is it broadcasts on the 1800mhz channel which is known to have a problem penetrating walls.
I did love just about everything on the Evo. It's dev community is AMAZING. No Wimax or HDMI out on CM6 did suck though. And the gpu on the first gen snapdragon left a lot to be desired (like 27-29 fps on neocore).
Another thing to remember about Sprint is there is no data cap, whereas T-Mo has a 5GB softcap after which they limit you to a snail's pace.
I am very happy about my MT4G. The biggest differences for me are the improvement in network speeds (significant for me) and the increase of the gpu (the MT4G gets a 57-58 on neocore). Battery life is much better too.
I will say if I had WiMax in Indianapolis I would probably still be a happy Evo owner on Sprint, but they dropped the ball on that one.
Another point that might help, I recently read that after 3mpbs any increase in speed doesn't have a noticeable difference on webbrowsing unless you are downloading large files (maybe HD movies). What does matter is the pingback.

Myt4g all the way I know several people with the evo and myt4g runs laps around it. No joke google mytouch 4g vs evo and see for yourself
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My father and brother both have the evo. Myself and a couple of co-workers(by my request) all have mt4g's. The mytouch is far superior. Sure, you're not getting a huge screen, but it seems to be the perfect mix of size and portability(read: pocketability), and there's no hdmi output(which I would never use), but come on....WIFI CALLING! How can you top that? You get service anywhere you can connect to a wifi access point. And that's on top of being super fast with the latest cpu offering from qualcomm. Everything about it is fantastic, even more so now that it's been rooted. I've been faithful to t-mobile for 8 years, and it's paid off. Their value can't be beat, and their devices just keep getting better. Did I mention the wifi calling?

Just get an evo
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Placed the order for the phone today. Will get it Wednesday.
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welcome to the family!

I think you'll be very pleased with the MT4G.
Also obligatory run download from the market and run aLogcat after you get your phone to try and snag the update link for the rest of us!

My mom has the ego and now I have the my touch 4G so I have used both quite a bit.* If you are stuck on screen size, get the evo, though I think it is too big and that the mytouch or vibrant are perfect screen size wise.* But in my opinion screen size is the only plus of the evo.* The mytouch looks better physically imo.* Plus the mytouch version of sense does everything the evo version does plus more, and it looks nicer van that just bar at the bottom of the original sense.* So I would go with the mt4g.* Plus Sprint has terrible customer service and tmo is great.
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Sprints customer service is actually pretty good because they are trying to make up for years of sucking
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Tmo still has the longest standing #1 rank customer service record of any wireless carrier by far!
Both in continuous years running AND in total years...
Food for thought
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Just put my evo up on ebay, tried out the myt4 for a week , got similar data speed, not regreting
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My friend has a g2 and he's getting 9-10 dl speeds around downtown Minneapolis.
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My friend has a g2 and he's getting 9-10 dl speeds around downtown Minneapolis.
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I think I've worded myself wrong. Speeds are fine, the coverage is spotty.
My drive to work is less then 15 min (Hopkins to Bloomington/Richfield area) and I like to stream music on the go. My connection drops 2-3 times in that period every day. Every summer we go to Goose island on Minnetonka Lake. AT&T streams music fine there, all I get is Edge.
I could list many more examples but you get the idea. You have nothing to worry about though, you have 14 days to get back to Sprint in case you're not satisfied, I'm stuck with T-mobile for a long haul (4 lines, started service in 2001) since no other carrier can even touch what I pay now.
YMMV. Good luck.

I guess I can do that. I'll have to read up on what to do for you guys.
How come this download link is hard to come by? Wouldn't it have been logged already by somebody?
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I think you'll be very pleased with the MT4G.
Also obligatory run download from the market and run aLogcat after you get your phone to try and snag the update link for the rest of us!
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daryllh said:
I guess I can do that. I'll have to read up on what to do for you guys.
How come this download link is hard to come by? Wouldn't it have been logged already by somebody?
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All you need to do is download aLogcat from the marketplace, set it to periodically save to your SD card(under Menu > Settings on the app), and let it run! Once you get your update, you can remove your app and send me the log in PM. It doesn't record any private information such as contest of text messages or emails or passwords so don't worry about that; rather it logs the background processes that runs the phone.
I know on my first device, I was caught up in the excitement of rooting and the idea of "Ah someone else will get it." On my new one, I've been running it since last Wednesday but haven't received my update yet. Once we have the link, everyone will be able to manually update if they have to change devices or don't feel like waiting for the OTA.

Thinking Of Moving To The Thunderbolt Opinions Wanted

Longtime GSM user, both AT&T and T-Mobile. I have a terminal aversion to CDMA but LTE looks intriguing. I use, roughly, between 13-20GB per month. Voice usage is almost nonexistent. I do text frequently.
I've been eyeballing a fellow coworkers Thunderbolt. (I'm also enititled to a 20% discount through work.) My questions:
Are you guys happy with your Thunderbolts? Like the screen? Does the LTE SIM work like GSM, just find another LTE phone pop and go? (I phone hop like mad!) LTE coverage in Ohio is actually pretty good. Your ETF is $350? (Once the AT&T&T mereger is done 12-16 months down the road I may switch back. Any general thoughts to add?
I'm happy to listen to anyone!!

I was a longtime ATT user (and Cingular before that, THOSE were the days) before switching for the TBolt. I enjoy the screen, better than my old Blackberry and since I mainly use texting/email on it instead of video, I actually prefer the screen to a SAMOLED. In theory, LTE SIM switching should work, but there hasn't been another LTE VZW device to test that with (another week and we'll know). And yes, ETF is $350 now, just like ATT.
Out of curiosity, why would you switch back soon down the road? ATT's (even if they acquire T-Mobile) "4G" technology is so far behind LTE that it's laughable. That's why I switched, ATT spent too long dawdling around not really improving their network infrastructure, at least where I live.

I use about 120 to 80 Gb monthly now that this is my only net connection. The best thing about it is the price monthly. I'm paying for a data only plan which is 50 a month unlimited before my 25 percent discount. For texting I use Google voice app and I have GV forwarded to a sipgate #, running SIPdroid on the tbolt to get my calls. Result is unlimited calls text and internet tethering for 37 bucks a month. Ya the phone ain't cheap upfront but it really is like having a cable modem in your pocket. I love it
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I just got the T-bolt and I am impressed. Although I have not tasted any 4G yet, it is a very solid phone. The battery life is not great, but that is to be expected of such a device. Getting a bigger battery seems to be the only option. I love the screen and cannot wait to watch movies on it! Waiting for a netflix app

bmstrong said:
Longtime GSM user, both AT&T and T-Mobile. I have a terminal aversion to CDMA but LTE looks intriguing. I use, roughly, between 13-20GB per month. Voice usage is almost nonexistent. I do text frequently.
I've been eyeballing a fellow coworkers Thunderbolt. (I'm also enititled to a 20% discount through work.) My questions:
Are you guys happy with your Thunderbolts? Like the screen? Does the LTE SIM work like GSM, just find another LTE phone pop and go? (I phone hop like mad!) LTE coverage in Ohio is actually pretty good. Your ETF is $350? (Once the AT&T&T mereger is done 12-16 months down the road I may switch back. Any general thoughts to add?
I'm happy to listen to anyone!!
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The LTE SIM does not work like GSM just yet. Verizon has it on a white list. They have to approve the device it will be in. They say that they are adding approved devices all the time but not sure which devices have been added. I think they are pushing more for the LTE SIM to be taken out of your phone and you put it in a camcorder, DSLR camera and make the devices shoot live feeds. I had read this on howard forums. I would love for HTC have it where you could custom build your phone and just pop in the LTE sim card. Just think pick your own screen, ram, internal memory, speaker, etc.
howardforums.com/showthread.php/1703825-Thunderbolt-and-ALL-future-4G-VZW-devices-require-a-UICC-SIM-card.

warning wall of text
I remember hating verizon for crippling the bluetooth on my v710? swearing never to go back. I've been GSM since cingular dropped tdma and I switched my 3360 and got a 6620. Then winmo starting with an htc wizard up until an HD2 that I converted to android. Wife has gone from thinking I'm nuts to giving up on my smartphone crack habit. Been mostly cingular/AT&T with a few bad romances with Tmo where I think "this time the reception will be better" (last time cause I really wanted the HD2). Then I walk out of the lumber yard and get 4 voicemails all saying generally wtf are you??
Then along comes the thunderbolt. I'm currently carrying an tmo HD2 running android and cause it's better than my fuze... a hacked beyond belief iphone on att. A friend hands me his verizon phone and I walk through my 7 story concrete/glass office building with the verizon, at&t, and tmo phone all showing signal strength. Tmo fades early as expected. There's a few times where verizon gets beat but most of the time it's got a 5 db advantage.
So a saleslady at the verizon store loans her thunderbolt and I try it in a fringe area (my house). Coverage is better with the thunderbolt and while at&t speedtests better and seems to load faster initially, verizon never hiccups and pauses like at&t and loads every single webpage before at&t completes.
So then the pro's cons.
I have 7 gsm phones all unlocked that I can bring up either att or tmo on but my att contract is up and my tmo is just a $5/mo family line that I just use text on.
unlimited data. I dont have 4g here but it's a chance to grandfather in on unlimited high speed data. Previous calls to at&t complaining about having 4 iphone non-tech unlimited users on my plan where I'm the geek yet I'm the only one without unlim data fall on deaf ears. I may not use the 5 gig I've got but it's a pain having to worry.
Verizon? Really? After laughing at people who were forced to use get it now to get their pictures off their phone? After swearing never to return when they crippled the firmware on the v710? And CDMA?
But the lure of unlimited data gets me to try a thunderbolt. I get in on a 1 year contract and I too get a healthy discount.
Fast forward 3 weeks. Rooted & flashed a non vzw rom after 4 days. 14 day return day came in went without a thought. The iphone is in my desk and the tmo hd2 will probably get turned into a winmo phone when I get time just to see if it's more than an xbox facebook extension. I find there are many times I havent even bothered to turn on wifi since web pages load without pauses, hiccups or waiting. Was going to hold out for a dual core but I've got no complaints. The screen colors seem much more vibrant than my hd2. I got the extended battery but even with not being able to put the phone down be it texting or internet I still last all day on the regular battery. Besides, by now I've got a usb charger about every 5 feet at home.
very tough call and it took a lot to get past going back to verizon and cdma but I'm glad I did. Sorry if I stepped on any toes windows phone, iphone, tmo fanboys, and grammar nazi's. Just MHO. Got a microcell to help not drop calls and still do on att. Verizon goes without extra help and doesnt drop calls. Texts are quick but break at 160chars. I use the phone to monitor several production unix machines so quick sms was imperative.
Drop me a line if you have other q's. I'm generally a lurker but always up for helping. Feel your pain in deciding..

Well this is my first smartphone so I don't have any comparison. But I love it. Love the screen and it's 4.3" of manlyness. I really never understood why people have such animosity for CDMA vs GSM. Yes I get the whole SIM card thing, but is that the only reason?

For me, it was the problem of no data while on a call. Never again AT&T, never again.
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Longtime GSM user, both AT&T and T-Mobile. I have a terminal aversion to CDMA but LTE looks intriguing. I use, roughly, between 13-20GB per month. Voice usage is almost nonexistent. I do text frequently.
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Just curious, but what do you have against CDMA other than you cant port to other carriers as easy as GSM? I found CDMA voice is generally better than GSM. The ThunderBolt still uses voice for CDMA so other than it being fast for data over what is considered GSM, it's still pretty much a CDMA phone in the sense it's locked to verizon (probably more so since you cant take it to other CMDA carriers either).
ATT will be going to LTE sometime next year as well though, so eventually when phones are using LTE for voice and data, you would be able to switch between carriers (assuming they both support the same frequency of LTE, there's 2 of them) and different phones on the same carrier

I love my tbolt. I went from a D1 to the TB, and was a little scared of leaving all the great ROMs, kernels and support on my D1 (was running CM7 nightlies with the deprimed kernel on droidforums and that thing ran more amazing than it ever did) but made the jump to get in on 4G before a rumored switch to tiered plans. And I couldn't be happier, I do miss CM and prime's kernels, but the devs have been putting out some great things on the TB. Adrynalyne and thatdudebutch have an amazing ROM with das BAMF 1.5 remix and I'm running imoseyon's lean xtreme kernel. And since development is young on this phone, I can only see it getting better

I wish I could recomend this phone over my Droid x but the battery life is so pitiful in comparison. Don't get me wrong I love the thunderbolt and having 4g is nice (Seattle) but having to be tethered to the wall on charger almost constantly is just annoying. My Droid x would go all day and had better outdoor visibility. The auto brightness on the tbolt is wack. The new blur on gingerbread also puts sense to shame. Onevgreat thing about the tbolt is the camera is really good and very fast. While the Droid x takes great shots it slow to snap them.
In short I'd recomend the Droid x over the thunderbolt.

My upgrade is in 4 days, and im thinking of the thunderbolt, i have no 4g in my area, they say by the holidays maybe.
That being said i love my incredible but want a bigger screen, is this work upgrading or should i wait until the next 4g phones come out. I only want an HTC phone.

yareally said:
ATT will be going to LTE sometime next year as well though, so eventually when phones are using LTE for voice and data, you would be able to switch between carriers (assuming they both support the same frequency of LTE, there's 2 of them) and different phones on the same carrier
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I have heard that AT&T will *not* use the same bands as Verizon. Here is an article stating something less general, but indicative of this discrepancy:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story...ice-wont-roam-verizons-lte-network/2010-10-26

jakaro said:
My upgrade is in 4 days, and im thinking of the thunderbolt, i have no 4g in my area, they say by the holidays maybe.
That being said i love my incredible but want a bigger screen, is this work upgrading or should i wait until the next 4g phones come out. I only want an HTC phone.
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Personally, I think it's worth it. The thing's fast, smooth, and powerful (insert joke here). It works well on 3g, and when 4g comes to you (or you travel to a 4g market), you will DEFINITELY not regret it!

I would consider waiting on galaxy 2. That thing looks like a complete beast.
Not you fat Jesus

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I wish I could recomend this phone over my Droid x but the battery life is so pitiful in comparison. Don't get me wrong I love the thunderbolt and having 4g is nice (Seattle) but having to be tethered to the wall on charger almost constantly is just annoying. My Droid x would go all day and had better outdoor visibility. The auto brightness on the tbolt is wack. The new blur on gingerbread also puts sense to shame. Onevgreat thing about the tbolt is the camera is really good and very fast. While the Droid x takes great shots it slow to snap them.
In short I'd recomend the Droid x over the thunderbolt.
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Get the extended battery my phone now lasts 30+ hours when my Droid X would be luck to last 15 even with liberty installed.
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Im just curious to what dual core phones will be coming out by HTC. I am also worried about these random reboots.
One other thing, but how is the developer community on this phone, im sure its huge being the only 4gphone.
Edit: make that second on vzw

Since it's verizon a dual core htc is a year away lol
And samsung is samsung...
Thunderbolt «» das BAMF Remix

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One other thing, but how is the developer community on this phone, im sure its huge being the only 4gphone.
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The dev community here is freaking awesome. They've been busting ass to get stuff working, tweaked, and corrected. Great group of guys.

Alrighty then, anybody have the extended battery, how does it feel, i love mine on my incredible.
Well, my Incredible is up on Craigslist, if i sell it ill be on the thunderbolt!

[Q] Should I stay with my 1777 or update to the skyrocket

I just got my s2 i777 and I love my phone but now I see you can get it online only. The only ones they sale or the skyrocket. Should I stick with this or upgrade while I still have the option. I don't live in a LTE area. Please give me your opinion's. Thanks.
PS AT&T just put two new towers in my area so I have HSPA+ about 90% of the time.
I'm looking for people that had the i777 and then got the skyrocket.

Skyrocket. Do it. No balls.
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Why buy a lte phone if you dont have access to lte speeds?

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Why buy a lte phone if you dont have access to lte speeds?
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Cause there ain't nuttin better lol, but i dont have lte, if you buy a non lte phone youll have the same speeds anyway. Go for the rocket
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Why buy a lte phone if you dont have access to lte speeds?
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Because your stuck in a 2 year contract and maybe in those two years LTE will be in your area, so if you buy a non lte phone your screwed either way. Plus, never know, you may move to a LTE area...

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Because your stuck in a 2 year contract and maybe in those two years LTE will be in your area, so if you buy a non lte phone your screwed either way. Plus, never know, you may move to a LTE area...
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I understand the point about being stuck in a contract. I would avoid the contract myself but on the other hand if he knows hes gonna stick with 1 carrier then why not.
Its kinda hard for me to judge this seeing how i have been on LTE for almost a year and it doesnt seem like a big deal to me.
One thing the topic creator should know is the i777 and skyrocket are pretty much different phones so if hes into flashing roms that may make a difference in his decision.

Don't, just stick with what you got. Wait till something comes out don't jump on a phone now. In 6 months time you will find something else better and won't be able to get it. Just my opinion.
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Skyrocket. Do it. No balls.
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Bahahaha made my day
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I would wait also there will so many more choices in a few months the s2 you have is probably a better phone if you don't have lte. And there is so much more rom wise to flash for your s2 than the skyrocket
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If you're within the return period and you think there's a high likelihood of LTE coming to your city in the next two years, then I would switch (this is what I did).
Otherwise, the i777 is just as good as or better than the Skyrocket (unless you really gotta have that extra 0.2' screen real estate). Other than LTE, the only thing that I liked better about the Skyrocket is that the screen wakes up faster when you press the power button. Otherwise, they're pretty much the same. You should wait until until the Skyrocket HD, Sony Ion, or any other new phone coming out this year.

Just do it!

I've had both and they're pretty much the same phone. Some people say exynos processor and all that other junk....real usage they are the same.
If you think you'll get LTE in the next two years get an LTE phone.
Also..buy it off the market place or Craigslist, screw signing a contract.
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I started with the 777 and swapped to the 727 25 days into the contract when I heard that LTE was coming to KC.
Both are great handsets, but glad to have LTE-- which is rolling out quickly, so if you are in a metro area there is a good chance you will have it in the next year or so.
If you can switch for not much cost I would say do it.
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What phone to go with is going to depend a LOT on where you are. My wife as the 777 and I have the skyrocket. Outside of network they feel like the same phone just mine is a little bigger . In Chicago outside of LTE att's data network is beyond slow it takes about a minute to load a webpage on utms or hspa during rush hour. On lte it's just as fast as when I'm on wifi.

Keep your S2 if you don't have LTE, trust me it's a better phone, imo I prefer the 4'3 size, the square body,it's lighter too, the processor is definately better I used to have a S2 and switched to skyrocket only cause LTE and I notice the difference a lot but I guess I was willing to trade performance over internet speeds.
Simple if no LTE S2 better, if LTE Skyrocket only if you like speeds, if you ok with H+ speeds (3-6mbps) the the S2 still a better choice.
And at the end of the year it won't matter anyways Iphone5 or S3 will be out.

I made the switch from i777 to i727. I would say it is an even trade.
LTE is amazing. If you can get it, it is as good as everyone says. Pings in the 60ms on the average. I've seen up to around 50mbps down. Even when you have weak LTE, you are still getting more than 10mbps. Because of the low pings, it truly feels like wifi. bigger screen is just a tiny bit nicer. But processor is slow. Xvid playback is choppy. 3D games don't run as smooth. Just buttery smoothness you won't get that you got with i777.
I say the i777 is one of the best phones ever made. But lacking LTE. Even though the screen is tiny bit smaller, the i777 is a bit sleeker, more elegant.

Elegant
Lucidmike said:
I made the switch from i777 to i727. I would say it is an even trade.
LTE is amazing. If you can get it, it is as good as everyone says. Pings in the 60ms on the average. I've seen up to around 50mbps down. Even when you have weak LTE, you are still getting more than 10mbps. Because of the low pings, it truly feels like wifi. bigger screen is just a tiny bit nicer. But processor is slow. Xvid playback is choppy. 3D games don't run as smooth. Just buttery smoothness you won't get that you got with i777.
I say the i777 is one of the best phones ever made. But lacking LTE. Even though the screen is tiny bit smaller, the i777 is a bit sleeker, more elegant.
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Lucidmike, more elegant?....not if you have a white skyrocket!...I is just beautiful...

I have the GS2, the Skyrocket, and the Vivid and I don't live in a LTE market and I highly doubt I will get it any time soon. I find that the LTE phones get better service in my area Compared to the HSPA+ phones.

Stay with i777, much better device. No screen or speed issues. That phones gets many more things.

Huh?? u guys r all crazy lol. I'm watching 1080p h264 on my phone with no lag or anything, the rendered your app was using must have sucked. Yes exynos is a superior chipset when compared to snapdragon s3, but that's only at the same frequency. In benchmarks its been proven that the higher clock speed of 1.5 more than makes up for the lack of architecture. Don't just spout off nonsense from other reviewers without doing your own homework

I am thinking about geting HTC One XL

I have had some isuses with verizons 4G LTE network and am thinking of going 100% AT&T again. I still have my galaxy S2 and like it alot, but want 720p and LTE. the S4 seems nice too.
I may wait for the galaxy S3 or maybe verizon can some how fix this crap. (Yea right)
Any way: I won't do it with out a unlimited data plan, becuase I don't see a use for LTE and 720p with only 3GB to play with. ( I have a "unlimited non-smartphone" data plan on my GT-9100 but I don't think it will work with this phone.)
I have made a list of pros and con's for this phone:
Pros:
1) It will be out soon.
2) It's on AT&T's BETTER LTE network.
3) The 28nm S4 seem's like a blast vs any thing else.
4) The 720P SLCD2 seems alot better this time vs the SLCD of 2011.(I will need to see this for myself, to make sure it lives up to the videos I have seen.)
5) HTC can make a good phone when they make it the "ONE". LOL
Con's:
1) It's GPU does not seem like a big boost VS the CPU power.
2) Non-removable battery. ( If this phone acts like my RAZR, I will be yelling NOOOOOO like in the movies. If it's better than my S2 at not locking up, then not so bad.)
3) No SD cards. ( I would be alot more ok if they had 32 and 64GB phones for sale.)
4) I don't like the buttion layout. ( I wish it was like the S2 with a push down home key.)
ok so to be or not to be HTCed. ready set comment
This is why the big red sucks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDxJoGv3FLA

I would wait for the S3 as Samsung promised much better battery life (maybe around 2300mAh+). The LG Optimus 4X also has 2100mAh battery. Hopefully they could deliver 7-8 hour screen time which would be a dream. I would 120% get one if that was the case. One X's battery is meh (1700mAh), maybe around 4-5h screen time max.
I don't know about the One X display, but my Sensation display looks pathetic compared to my girl's S2. SAMOLED is just so much prettier than anything else.
No microSD is also sad .
But i love HTC designs and Sense UI that's why i chose HTC. ICS Touchwiz is one big fat uggo (albeit very smooth).
If you want best spec, you may want to wait for the S3, if you want pretty and useful experience, i guess you cannot go wrong with the One X.

I am more for useful than "pretty".
It's a 50/50 split on a ONE XL fourm. LOL
I really want my next phone to be LTE, but I will say H+ can be pretty good and even play in the same court in REAL world phone use. When I first got my GT-9100, I took it in to a verizon store and mobed the foor with all the best phones all the way every time intill the RAZR tied or beet it most of the time. (I should have seen, the phone had isuses, but I wanted unlimited LTE so bad, becuase my home internet sucks.)

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Any way: I won't do it with out a unlimited data plan, becuase I don't see a use for LTE and 720p with only 3GB to play with. ( I have a "unlimited non-smartphone" data plan on my GT-9100 but I don't think it will work with this phone.)
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You have the unlimited dumb phone plan on AT&T? If you buy any smartphone from AT&T, they will switch you to a smartphone plan. Not positive, but I don't think they can switch you to an unlimited smartphone plan in this case. But it never hurts to ask (demand?).

4ktvs said:
Any way: I won't do it with out a unlimited data plan, becuase I don't see a use for LTE and 720p with only 3GB to play with. ( I have a "unlimited non-smartphone" data plan on my GT-9100 but I don't think it will work with this phone.)
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I understand your desire for LTE, but have you thought about going with the HTC One X? It doesn't have LTE, but I think the support will be much greater over on those forums. Not to mention, since it won't come with an IMEI that AT&T will recognize considering it's an "international" phone, you should be able to just pop the sim in that you have now for your S2.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that would work for you. Yes, it wouldn't be subsidized, but you bought an international S2, so I assume that wouldn't be a problem for you.

Wouldn't the SIM card be different though? I heard the One X will be using a micro-SIM and AT&T phones use the standard SIM card?

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Wouldn't the SIM card be different though? I heard the One X will be using a micro-SIM and AT&T phones use the standard SIM card?
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The phones will be using microSIM, and those are available from most providers upon request.

Well I know for sure the odds are stacking up against the razr. Fac reset has failed me and I knew it would, but you know how it is.
Update: They are sending me a refurb. I don't know if this will fix anything, but AT&T is looking better and better to come back to 100%
Update2: I think I will wait and see what the galaxy s3 has to bring to the table. This Droid Razr I have sucks eggs by the way. I don't care for subs, but I don't really want to buy any more "3G"/H+ phones. After having a 4G LTE phone no matter how much it sucks, you still will feel the need for 15+mbs every now and then. My ISP sucks too and I like Netflix so yea. I used 94GB on Verizon one time, because I could only pull less than 1mbs DL from my ISP and I pay for 10mbs DL and 1UL. The funny part is I get 100kbs more UL speed than I pay for, but 1/2 to 1/10 of the DL speed I pay for.( TWC SUCKS)
Ok thats all for now