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Some of you may or may not know ckisgen, the developer of the Royal Ginger rom for the glacier. If you don't know of him or his rom, head on over to the glacier forums and take a look at how popular him and his rom is. He is an unbelievable developer and would push the g2x to it's max. He has agreed to develop for the g2x if we can all get together to get him a g2x. So if everyone wants to see this phone reach it's full potential, lets get ckisgen a phone!
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You forgot to mention how much you have already donated.

bighulk666 said:
You forgot to mention how much you have already donated.
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Nothing has been donated yet. I want to start this thread to see if anyone is interested and then figure out how we would go about doing it. If everyone that is interested would say how much they are willing to donate, then we could figure out how to go about it. I have never done this before so I don't know if we just donate everything to him directly, or if there is someone highly trusted to gather all of the money for the phone and send it to ckisgen?
It's just a thought. He would be a great dev for this phone IMO. This thread is for everyones opinions and ideas about it.
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I have seen his work and I'm down!

crking1980 said:
I have seen his work and I'm down!
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Count me in for $10
sent from Abbottabad, Pakistan with no internet connection

In for $10
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I'm also in, but the amount will depend on how much money I have at the time.

I'm in also. Amount TBD

OUCH!! KFI=KANG BUREAU of INVESTIGATION
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KangExposer said:
I post here to expose all KANGs and calling them out. I have been a long time lurker of this forum. Currently they are too many KANG artists here on XDA diluting the quality of developers here. RoyalGinger, what kind of name is that? I've been following his KANG of CM7 for a while now. What has he innovated that wasn't already coded by Team Douche? People need to wake up to the fact that he simply re-compiles what Team Douche has already done. Now he's asking for donation so he can KANG Team Douche even more than what he's already done so with MyTouch 4G? Mark my word, he will NOT add any innovation to G2x forum if he "develops" for this phone. He will always "Kang" Team Douche's work again for G2x. If you guys want real innovation, donate to Team Douche instead of this "Kang" artist.
RoyalGinger, how cocky can one be by calling a CM7 kang as some kind of royalty. I would give him more respect if he calls it RoyalKang
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I'm sorry but you do not belong in this thread. And before you go talking bad about developers and falsely accusing them of kanging, maybe you should do some more research. I used both CM7 and Royal Ginger and my phone had much better performance and stability with Royal Ginger. How about you talk to ckisgen directly before trying to ruin his reputation for some reason that doesn't even exist.
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Towle said:
I'm sorry but you do not belong in this thread. And before you go talking bad about developers and falsely accusing them of kanging, maybe you should do some more research. I used both CM7 and Royal Ginger and my phone had much better performance and stability with Royal Ginger. How about you talk to ckisgen directly before trying to ruin his reputation for some reason that doesn't even exist.
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Haha, I love it when people claim how good the so call "kang artist" but without proof to back it up. He "optimized" CM7? What kind of "optimization" did he perform? Why do you need to optimize CM7 when it is already optimized? I am calling him out because so far he has not shown any proof he "wrote" code to optimize CM7 code. So show me what he did in the "code" to make RoyalKang better than CM7? Tweaking CM7 settings is not innovation. Now I throw the ball back to your court. Show me what he did to optimize Team Douche's work. This is open source correct? So your so call developer can show me his "code" that he optimized CM7 source code. Unless he shows people what he did to "optimize" Team Douche's code, I still stand by my claim. I love to be proved wrong, show me the code!
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Well KangExposer has a point. I never owned the G2 but looking at the Royal Ginger thread there is no source code. Isn't that a violation of XDA's GPL policy?

jlevy73 said:
Well KangExposer has a point. I never owned the G2 but looking at the Royal Ginger thread there is no source code. Isn't that a violation of XDA's GPL policy?
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This is a thread regarding the bringing over of a fantastic developer. All questions regarding a roms details should be directed to that roms developer.
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Towle said:
This is a thread regarding the bringing over of a fantastic developer. All questions regarding a roms details should be directed to that roms developer.
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This is a thread requesting *money* to support a dev who is making changes to the code made available freely and publicly by CM7, and then not publishing his 'optimizations' (that could theoretically be merged back into main CM7 if they're worth it)

tokyomonster said:
This is a thread requesting *money* to support a dev who is making changes to the code made available freely and publicly by CM7, and then not publishing his 'optimizations' (that could theoretically be merged back into main CM7 if they're worth it)
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+1.
Why not just directly contribute to CM7?

tokyomonster said:
This is a thread requesting *money* to support a dev who is making changes to the code made available freely and publicly by CM7, and then not publishing his 'optimizations' (that could theoretically be merged back into main CM7 if they're worth it)
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Can you tell me the name of a rom that isn't, or a dev that doesn't? Why doesn't everyone just donate to google then?
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What does "kang" mean?
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Kang basically means to steal someone's work and say it's your own.

I just wanted to let everyone know that this guy who thinks he knows everything, really knows nothing. He is someone who is unhappy with his life and is taking it out on these forums. First of all, if this was something that was true, CM would have taken him down a looong time ago! This guy has been trolling the forums talking down on the developers, and has absolutely no proof or facts to back up what he is saying. I was following his posts, and happened to see that ckisgen also saw one of his posts in a different forum saying RG is a kang of CM7.
Please read what ckisgen had to say, this alone is proof that this guy is talking out of his arse:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...&postcount=109
Back on topic. We really need to get ckisgen over here! I have been rooting phones since the G1 and have NEVER used a rom on a phone that made it run as smooth and fast as Royal Ginger! And his kernels, unbelievable! He is an awesome developer. Not only does he make a great rom and kernel, he provides excellent support and really works hard to make everything perfect.
I love my new G2x, and cannot imagine it without Royal Ginger. This phone would become something nobody could ever imagine. Anything you would ever want in a vanilla Android rom, and from a developer.. ckisgen is the answer! I plan on having this phone for a while, and I'm sure a lot of you do as well. If when you bought your G2x and the T-Mobile rep or whoever you bought it from said for X amount of dollars extra we can make this phone a whole lot better and provide continuous updates and always be adding in the latest and greatest features, would you do it? I know I would.

jlevy73 said:
Well KangExposer has a point. I never owned the G2 but looking at the Royal Ginger thread there is no source code. Isn't that a violation of XDA's GPL policy?
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it is listed at the top of the OP and in his changelogs

vqt said:
it is listed at the top of the OP and in his changelogs
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still can't find it, but there is a lot in the OP

Just to answer a question

Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
matmar said:
Members can express their view and i do not think it is pointless or against xda rules...it is ? If yes i apologize by advance....
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....sigh....

Well, for me it's another sad sad day for XDA.
I'm "really" thinking HTC should step in, collect THEIR assets once and for all.
This is never going to stop this way. This was (yes was) a sharing community, and honestly is doesn't feel like a community anymore.
For me, and I regret to say this, the only real solution for this is when HTC relocks their bootloaders so custom roms become a thing from history.
There's just too much showing off, whining this, whining that and all other crap going on.
And really what is the point??
We are all in the same boat, wanting the exact same thing!
I just cannot understand this.
We buy HTC especially for this line of "work".
People should think twice or even five times before letting their d... deside.
Anyway, my 2 cents (IC's )

Lol, you should have known it would happen.
Peeps, let's keep it social here.
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....sigh....
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conantroutman said:
....sigh....
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sigh is right! We're all sighing!
tinky1 said:
Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
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and this is why I love you tinky. I wnted to voice my own opinion but didn't. You did it for me! for us!

Tinky for president? Which country though
Lol, just lol.
KAwAtA said:
sigh is right! We're all sighing!
and this is why I love you tinky. I wnted to voice my own opinion but didn't. You did it for me! for us!
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Trollville recently outvoted me... perhaps you could replace me
Just sayin'
tinky1 said:
Tinky for president? Which country though
Lol, just lol.
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tinky1 said:
Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
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The sharing mentality of XDA has not gone away. But it's certainly been reduced in light of WinZip wizards and cocky chefs who think they're God's gift to a device. The heart of this latest flare up is the simple fact that 3 devs refuse to work together or cooperate in any way. We (the moderators) deal with hundreds of reported posts everyday, and quite frankly I pitty the members who allow such infantile sh*t to occur.
Regarding sharing: Just because someone has a source that allows them early access to a file, which has happened since all the way back in WM's days here, they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down.
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.

Ok here's how it is.......
Some of you may not like this but it needs to be said.......
Sharing is and always has been encouraged here on XDA. That said,if someone has a valid reason not to publicly share something, nobody has the right to hold that against them....
The situation we have here is not caused by one single person and is certainly not caused by XDA as a whole, it is not even directly related to the sharing aspect.
What we have here is a situation blown completely out of proportion due to a combination of over inflated egos and petty personal disputes.
First guy said:
"whaaa whaa whaa I want what he's got.........."
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the other guy said:
"boo hoo hoo he said bad things about me "
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third guy said:
"Dude, you should totally troll his thread, oh yeah and the mods are nazis... trololololol"
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There are many many users and developers across the board who need to take a step back from their screen for a second, stuff a hand down the front of their pants to check if there's a set of balls in there....
If there is then they should take that as sign that its time to pull their head out of their arse and stop acting like eight year old girls fighting over a hairbrush...........
This is a development forum. Not a playground. This problem is not specific to the Sensation forums either, it permeates throughout the entire site so do not be surprised when the moderation team take action against a user who has violated the rules of the forum.
That is what we are here to do.
Due to the large number of whiny trolls currently infesting the forums, threads such as this only create drama and bring back the problems we are trying to eliminate. (Whether that was the OP's intention or not)
Nobody on the moderation team has a problem with criticism.
I have many issues with this site. If someone were to tell me I cannot raise them then I would tell them to go **** themselves. However, there is a right way of going about this and a wrong way.
Any user is always welcome to contact a moderator about any concerns they might have. Should you have a problem with a particular moderator then contact a member of the moderator committee or an admin. (a list is in my sig btw)
Contrary to popular belief, the mod team is not some elitist "old boys club" and we do not play favourites. Each and every moderator is expected to adhere to a code of conduct and can expect to be promptly dismissed should they not do so.
That however does not mean that we will not make unpopular decision should the need arise.
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Come On!
I am just plain dissapointed.. I think that the dev should share what they find, after all did they create the base no.... where do they get it? sharing!!! I am leaning away from xda community as of late for reasons revolving around this exact problem!! And now favorite dev for sensation is not here!!

Very, very true. Unfortunately xda seems to prefer to just close thread, give infractions, and try to shut everyone up instead of trying to encourage cooperation. Shall we try to change something here together, as a community?
P. S. Nice to see mods participating in conversation. Maybe(hopefully) it's a beginning of a better relationship?
NotATreoFan said:
The sharing mentality of XDA has not gone away. But it's certainly been reduced in light of WinZip wizards and cocky chefs who think they're God's gift to a device. The heart of this latest flare up is the simple fact that 3 devs refuse to work together or cooperate in any way. We (the moderators) deal with hundreds of reported posts everyday, and quite frankly I pitty the members who allow such infantile sh*t to occur.
Regarding sharing: Just because someone has a source that allows them early access to a file, which has happened since all the way back in WM's days here, they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down.
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.
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I agree with both MTM AND NATF, and since I am one of the oldest members still active here, I can also confirm what NATF just said. We need cooperation between Devs and not pride wars.
Unfortunately this is not the case...

Winzip wizzard here (actually i use total commander but thats another story) - no irony here, if anyone has enough time to search my history on xda he will see i always said i'm cooking i'm not developing.
back to the discussion.
"they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down."
yes is true XDA can't make people share their source - 100% agree
risk of exposure ? i doubt is the case ,these test build are leaked with HTC's OK, we do the final beta testing for free . Let's not get into conspiracy theories here.
Is not just 3 devs who have a problem, again if anyone has the time to search xda will see one of the chefs had arguments with a lot more than 2 chefs .
Donations. I personally don't ask for them, i accept them .
As for me, i never wanted to be the 1st, and in the rare moments i had a thing 1st i shared it, i never cared about my thread rating and didn't cry when i got 1 star instead of five and so on. don't believe me ? again use the search .
about sharing, good or bad, 1st or the latest, i always said everyone is free to use what they want and do whatever they want with my zip-mods

IMHO I think XDA uses the term recognized developer far too loosely.
mudhi is a developer, LEEDROiD a developer. Mike1986 has no code knowledge (there was a very heated discussion via PM between him and me about that, I won and he left me.alone eventually) and all "his" mods made by other people. he is not the only one, don't think I say this just to have a go at mike, there are also other but at least baadnewz does do own mods, search back to 2.08 base and his own mod based on the beats audio mod (can't remember the original developer)
these people like mike think a bit of hocus pocus in dsixda kitchen make them developers, IT DOES NOT (IMO)
I say this and many of you will be thinking I am a hypocrite. Ha, I know flash ActionScript, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, tiny bit of PHP, and some java as well as currently learning smali, I came originally from DFG StarMods (where I now have the honour of being one of the admins) which is a flash theme development site for Samsung phones (like tocco lite, star, Monte and the jet)
And another thing, if people make a ROM based on a new leak/release but choose not to share the RUU, then they really have no grounds to complain about kangs because they brought it on themselves by refusing to share. If they share, kangs won't happen so I think it is unfair for baad to have received infraction because it is only human nature for users to want the best, the newest etc
p.s all apk files libs etc from any of our ROMs belong to HTC not the chefs

there are a bit more than beats stuff.
ported amaze camera and album to work on every 2.3.3-2.3.5 sense 3/3.5 rom
when was the 1st leak of android 2.3.4 from Chinese source i was the one who made location / friendstream / stock etc. to work with it and so on

baadnewz said:
there are a bit more than beats stuff.
ported amaze camera and album to work on every 2.3.3-2.3.5 sense 3/3.5 rom
when was the 1st leak of android 2.3.4 from Chinese source i was the one who made location / friendstream / stock etc. to work with it and so on
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I know, I just use beats as example because at the time it was well known
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NotATreoFan said:
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.
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True, but this isn't platform dependent at all. WinMo ROM development suffered from this too.
Donations make people greedy, some guys just made their rom cooking tenure a part-time job. Nowadays Smartphones became over-popular causing this to be a great money source.
In my personal opinion xda-devs should somehow promote/encourage developers that do not accept donations, make freeware, and release their source code for free.

Jackos said:
True, but this isn't platform dependent at all. WinMo ROM development suffered from this too.
Donations make people greedy, some guys just made their rom cooking tenure a part-time job. Nowadays Smartphones became over-popular causing this to be a great money source.
In my personal opinion xda-devs should somehow promote/encourage developers that do not accept donations, make freeware, and release their source code for free.
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QFT!
Money is the root of most of the problems with XDA these days...

And I can't see that changing unfortunately.
So,are we getting anywhere guys?
Is there a way to encourage sharing somehow?
It just beyond my comprehension that an apple can be given for someone to give a bite to anyone who'd like it, but no one else can take that apple to give a bite. End result is the same in think.
It's not about Mike not sharing when he is told not to share (if that is true, I don't know and not judging him). It's the concept of having something to share but only allowing one person to share it which gets me confused. Why!?
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QFT!
Money is the root of most of the problems with XDA these days...
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Thank GOD somebody started discussing this! I tried to started, but the thread was closed the second I started it. I will hold my tongue, but you can read between the lines:
Baad
We miss you!

Team IcyBlaze

After having a conversation with a few important developers, I found out the Sidekick has a lot to do still. But we need people who are mature, intelligent, and can dedicate a little time. We already have a kick ass development team for project IcyBlaze, and are always looking for more people to come and join us on this never ending journey! Private message me for more details!
BY THE WAY FOR ANY PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ANDROID IS OPEN SOURCE, CONTINUE READING!
*We do NOT claim any work as our own, simply a modification. All source belongs to Google Inc. We're just doing within our legal limits to do what we think is best for the future of this phone. Hence forth, you cannot "kang, steal, or copy" work on an open source platform, catch my drift?

Just curious, are you guys going to work on AOSP or Cyanogen?

i tried playing with cyanogen but i am lost, i wish i knew more but im still learning, im going to be helping with the gui of the roms as well as looking into potential tweaks.
ill never make empty promises, i want you all to know where i stand and i dont claim to be a developer at all but it is my goal to learn.

d3xtro. said:
Just curious, are you guys going to work on AOSP or Cyanogen?
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Not at the moment, not until I expand upon knowledge. For right now, we're going to be picking up fixing the 4.x series of GenericGinger with our own belief, (Hewett and I) and releasing it as a spin-off. Deciding on a name, but I'm thinking IcyBlaze, it's definitely up for debate however!

i dont want to hear about kanging

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Indeed. That word is quite annoying. This project is completely open source. If you feel you guys can do better, well jump right in, and do better!

Have you guys been in contact with Team Platypus? You might get alot of help from them, as Ayoteddy and sduvick have pretty much been here from the beginning. Good source to start with.

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Have you guys been in contact with Team Platypus? You might get alot of help from them, as Ayoteddy and sduvick have pretty much been here from the beginning. Good source to start with.
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I would contact them, but they've contributed so much, and even so, they have lives. I couldn't possibly disturb them. I'm going to pick up where they left off, is all.

Nice.

JiN has been ban hammered for kanging. Scripts are not covered under the open source agreement there for he kanged. Open source or not doesnt give someone the right to steal another devs hard work. Anyone who fails to ask for permission to use my copyrighted pending scripts will be reported. All you need to do is ask. I wont say no if you ask. How hard is that. Im all for helping out the community but stealing will not be tolerated by me. Now if you guys want a real developers help then let me know.
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ReActiveDisorder said:
JiN has been ban hammered for kanging. Scripts are not covered under the open source agreement there for he kanged. Open source or not doesnt give someone the right to steal another devs hard work. Anyone who fails to ask for permission to use my copyrighted pending scripts will be reported. All you need to do is ask. I wont say no if you ask. How hard is that. Im all for helping out the community but stealing will not be tolerated by me. Now if you guys want a real developers help then let me know.
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I think we all as a community appreciate the build.prop and GPS mod you did for the SK. We do, really. But, I think you more than hammered the SK a blow to the face. If JiN1337 can't work on it now, who will?
Btw, Reactive, I don't think it has much to do with you why JiN1337 did what he did. In the post, he said Reviewers kicked him out for no reason. I remember reading it that night, and 4 hours later he made a spin-off contribution.

Administrator_ said:
I think we all as a community appreciate the build.prop and GPS mod you did for the SK. We do, really. But, I think you more than hammered the SK a blow to the face. If JiN1337 can't work on it now, who will?
Btw, Reactive, I don't think it has much to do with you why JiN1337 did what he did. In the post, he said Reviewers kicked him out for no reason. I remember reading it that night, and 4 hours later he made a spin-off contribution.
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Hi JiN. Nice puppet account you created....Ban hammer in three...two....
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Let's clear something up right now.
Whilst Android is open source the rules of XDA state that if you do not have permission to use the work of somebody else then you cannot use it.
Furthermore, the Android OS is not covered by the GPL it falls under the Apache license. It is not my responsibility to educate people of these licenses so I will just say this. Follow the rules and if you don't know what you're talking about, stop talking.
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Need some info from devs.

hello everyone As some of you must have already read that Moto is closing down in asia-pacific and so in india, I was thinking to sell of my A2.I'm not really sure but thoughts are coming in my mind.So what I want to ask here is that is there any development and breakthrough on good front going on ? (I'm sure something or other might be surely brewing up amongst devs) but still is it that exciting, If yes i would hold of my A2 and wont sell it off (If i am getting some good ROM) or atleast a progress on it (don't get me wrong here i m not pushing anyone).
Just wanted to ask coz, if there is no future regarding development I might think to sell A2 before the prices drop even more.
regards,
peace.
PS : I know the secrecy so if someone wants to reply but doesn't think its right to post in here coz Moto might see it, can drop me a PM

u've just ignited the FIRE !
jst wait n watch

shardul.phatak said:
u've just ignited the FIRE !
jst wait n watch
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Hope i don't get flamed for this

Nothing is guaranteed...you're not going to get any assurances about anything here. Go ahead and do what you have to.

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Nothing is guaranteed...you're not going to get any assurances about anything here. Go ahead and do what you have to.
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I already know that nothing is guranteed but looking at situation one can atleast judge what is up in store.Right now that dev section is kinda stagnant and devs are upto something in secret and that is absolutely fine considering what moto has done in past.So a small heads up would always be welcomed.

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hello everyone As some of you must have already read that Moto is closing down in asia-pacific and so in india, I was thinking to sell of my A2.I'm not really sure but thoughts are coming in my mind.So what I want to ask here is that is there any development and breakthrough on good front going on ? (I'm sure something or other might be surely brewing up amongst devs) but still is it that exciting, If yes i would hold of my A2 and wont sell it off (If i am getting some good ROM) or atleast a progress on it (don't get me wrong here i m not pushing anyone).
Just wanted to ask coz, if there is no future regarding development I might think to sell A2 before the prices drop even more.
regards,
peace.
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Really? How long have you been here? To pose the question as to if there may be no 'exciting' advances being made on the development front is rather insulting. I can say that I myself have worked 'behind the scenes' and these guys are ALWAYS working on things. How "exciting" they may be is purely based on your own perception. If there was any indication of having no future of development, don't you think these guys would have moved on half a year ago from this phone? Also, I don't see as to why Motorola shutting down to some capacity in India would have any bearing on whether to sell your Atrix 2 or to keep it. Not sure if this is "forum fishing", but hold onto your pole... you're going to get some bites.
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Not sure if this is "forum fishing", but hold onto your pole... you're going to get some bites.
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HA! Love the word play there.
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Really? How long have you been here? To pose the question as to if there may be no 'exciting' advances being made on the development front is rather insulting. I can say that I myself have worked 'behind the scenes' and these guys are ALWAYS working on things. How "exciting" they may be is purely based on your own perception. If there was any indication of having no future of development, don't you think these guys would have moved on half a year ago from this phone? Also, I don't see as to why Motorola shutting down to some capacity in India would have any bearing on whether to sell your Atrix 2 or to keep it. Not sure if this is "forum fishing", but hold onto your pole... you're going to get some bites.
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Well then i really can't help if people interpret or decide to interpret thing in wrong way.I think its perfectly fine to ask.Coz neither am I pushing anyone/anything nor I'm discrediting anyone.

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Well then i really can't help if people interpret or decide to interpret thing in wrong way.I think its perfectly fine to ask.Coz neither am I pushing anyone/anything nor I'm discrediting anyone.
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You missed my point here, I'm afraid. I posed a question in retort to your own, pointing out all of the 'breakthroughs' that have been made in almost a year, and more specifically here lately. No, the dev team hasn't bought tickets to "Margaritaville" and will not be kicking up their heels after ordering two pina coladas- they are always on the job, and always testing. If you'd like to pass your Atrix 2 on, for whatever reason, then I wish you the best. Impatience has always run amok here in this forum, and more so recently. Be it due to Motorola or otherwise, it's rather unnecessary. I'd suggest waiting before you pull the trigger on a sale of your Atrix 2, with the abilities we are fortunate enough to benefit from by our devs, this is why I opted to hold onto mine after purchasing the SGS3. But, as LaVar Burton used to say, "You don't have to take MY word for it"...
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You missed my point here, I'm afraid. I posed a question in retort to your own, pointing out all of the 'breakthroughs' that have been made in almost a year, and more specifically here lately. No, the dev team has bought tickets to "Margaritaville" and will not be kicking up their heels after ordering two pina coladas- they are always on the job, and always testing. If you'd like to pass your Atrix 2 on, for whatever reason, then I wish you the best. Impatience has always run amok here in this forum, and more so recently. Be it due to Motorola or otherwise, it's rather unnecessary. I'd suggest waiting before you pull the trigger on a sale of your Atrix 2, with the abilities we are fortunate enough to benefit from by our devs, this is why I opted to hold onto mine after purchasing the SGS3. But, as LaVar Burton used to say, "You don't have to take MY word for it"...
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For one I'm not being impatient.Impatient would be "hey you dev wats taking you so long i want new ROM" < This is impatient and arrogant. I never said anything like this,It was just a humble question.If you as a kid as some questions to your elder coz they know more does that count as being arrogant,impatient and rude ? I guess no.I asked very humbly as they know much much more than me.And again for the breakthrough as I said earlier yet repeating for nth time i am grateful to them and did not discredit or deny that fact.They have done much awesome work and changed the A2's scene.But for once just get in my shoes and try to think,and again if someone interprets this as disrespecting devs i really cant help coz i didn't.

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For one I'm not being impatient.Impatient would be "hey you dev wats taking you so long i want new ROM" < This is impatient and arrogant. I never said anything like this,It was just a humble question.If you as a kid as some questions to your elder coz they know more does that count as being arrogant,impatient and rude ? I guess no.I asked very humbly as they know much much more than me.And again for the breakthrough as I said earlier yet repeating for nth time i am grateful to them and did not discredit or deny that fact.They have done much awesome work and changed the A2's scene.But for once just get in my shoes and try to think,and again if someone interprets this as disrespecting devs i really cant help coz i didn't.
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You're right my friend, but the atmosphere and the people being what they are around this forum, you were always going to be flamed. I'd warned you.
In any case, there's not much anybody is going to be able to tell you. Things are uncertain and they take time...you know what I mean.
I wonder why anybody can't understand that Motorola leaving India does have a bearing on whether you want to keep your phone. I perfectly understand.
Anyway, long story short, on this forum, if you ask a question - you're spamming, if you don't know something - you're an idiot, if you you have a different opinion - you're being aggressive.
Pay no heed. Relax. Enjoy life

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You're right my friend, but the atmosphere and the people being what they are around this forum, you were always going to be flamed. I'd warned you.
In any case, there's not much anybody is going to be able to tell you. Things are uncertain and they take time...you know what I mean.
I wonder why anybody can't understand that Motorola leaving India does have a bearing on whether you want to keep your phone. I perfectly understand.
Anyway, long story short, on this forum, if you ask a question - you're spamming, if you don't know something - you're an idiot, if you you have a different opinion - you're being aggressive.
Pay no heed. Relax. Enjoy life
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So true.very well said bro.

athani said:
You're right my friend, but the atmosphere and the people being what they are around this forum, you were always going to be flamed. I'd warned you.
In any case, there's not much anybody is going to be able to tell you. Things are uncertain and they take time...you know what I mean.
I wonder why anybody can't understand that Motorola leaving India does have a bearing on whether you want to keep your phone. I perfectly understand.
Anyway, long story short, on this forum, if you ask a question - you're spamming, if you don't know something - you're an idiot, if you you have a different opinion - you're being aggressive.
Pay no heed. Relax. Enjoy life
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Lol! If you think my comments were "flaming", you ain't seen flaming yet. I'm not answering for the devs here, but exchanging with the OP my own rebuttal. I'll allow any dev here the opportunity to address the question. Perhaps you shouldn't be so sensitive, athani. Just a suggestion...
Edit: I really wasn't trying to be a jerk, but when someone - anyone - makes a post, they should expect to have it open for discussion. That's all I was engaging in.
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Lol! If you think my comments were "flaming", you ain't seen flaming yet. I'm not answering for the devs here, but exchanging with the OP my own rebuttal. I'll allow any dev here the opportunity to address the question. Perhaps you shouldn't be so sensitive, athani. Just a suggestion...
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Sir, whatever made you think I was referring to your posts ! Relax

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Sir, whatever made you think I was talking about you! Relax.
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Oh, I'm good. Trust me, my blood pressure is still within normal range. I was just clarifying that my comments were not of a "flaming" nature. Now, if others flame the OP over this, I'd have to align myself with Archmag3, in that he's got every right to ask a question here. With every question should come answers, unfortunately and at times frequently they happen to be befouled with opinion.
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Oh, I'm good. Trust me, my blood pressure is still within normal range. I was just clarifying that my comments were not of a "flaming" nature. Now, if others flame the OP over this, I'd have to align myself with Archmag3, in that he's got every right to ask a question here. With every question should come answers, unfortunately and at times frequently they happen to be befouled with opinion.
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I never suggested that any particular persons comments were "flaming" in nature. So we're cool. BTW, "opinions" by themselves can never "befouled" or for that matter be true or untrue. That's something lots of people here don't understand. Hence, all the unpleasantness.

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I never suggested that any particular persons comments were "flaming" in nature. So we're cool. BTW, "opinions" by themselves can never "befouled" or for that matter be true or untrue. That's something lots of people here don't understand. Hence, all the unpleasantness.
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Let's not argue semantics here, I stated that "answers" can be befouled with opinion. That is quite categorical.
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Let's not argue semantics here, I stated that "answers" can he befouled with opinion. That is quite categorical.
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I wasn't arguing semantics. It's something that requires serious introspection among some guys here.

Just think like this..if moto is shutting down sales in india that means no one is ever goin to get a chance to own such an awesome phone like atrix 2..this phone is really awesome man..i am goin to hold on to my A2 (mine just two months old) till the last breath is out of my phone..and i would advice you to do the same..and service centres will work naa..so why worry??
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devilhunter47 said:
Just think like this..if moto is shutting down sales in india that means no one is ever goin to get a chance to own such an awesome phone like atrix 2..this phone is really awesome man..i am goin to hold on to my A2 (mine just two months old) till the last breath is out of my phone..and i would advice you to do the same..and service centres will work naa..so why worry??
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I think the resale value will be adversely affected because of real or perceived lack of after sales support.
About chance to own a Motorola phone, I think that is less of a consideration as these days, everything is available on ebay India.

CyanogenMod 10 for SGS4G Q&A

Party on Wayne, party on Garth!

*Sarcastic Idiotic Voice* WHY IS THAR NO WIFI CALLING! Ur gettin' repurt!
*Back to serious poker faces* Glad to see Jelly Bean have a preview on our device. Oh btw Erik you haven't answered my question yet, would you like a Google Play gift card?

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*Sarcastic Idiotic Voice* WHY IS THAR NO WIFI CALLING! Ur gettin' repurt!
*Back to serious poker faces* Glad to see Jelly Bean have a preview on our device. Oh btw Erik you haven't answered my question yet, would you like a Google Play gift card?
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Lol nah just rape n abuse the thanks button
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erikmm said:
Lol nah just rape n abuse the thanks button
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I find that offensive and I may need to report you. I was a thanks button in a previous life.

Guess who polished an Op post!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35370542&postcount=11
So much softer to read

I'll talk to you on irc later today to see if i can find a fix for sound
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Got source?

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Got source?
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Not yet I'm hoping this weekend after finals :/
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Yeah, I'd be able to find a sound fix if I did.

How's the battery life compared to ics? I'm guessing its around the same because it has nearly the same kernel
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Better on the battery, since wifi doesn't work.
Once wifi gets fixed, it should be about the same again.

Just a side note installing an ICS KERNEL like hefe will earn you a boot loop, so don't unless you like that sort of thing.
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Got source?
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Not yet I'm hoping this weekend after finals :/
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Just a side note installing an ICS KERNEL like hefe will earn you a boot loop, so don't unless you like that sort of thing.
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As soon as erik gets the source posted somewhere, it will receive some teamacid luv.
It's funny, because I started looking at a herring port last weekend, and then saw the dev thread erik started and stopped.

i am somewhat sure that I may be able to fix sound issues.

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Not yet I'm hoping this weekend after finals :/
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bhundven said:
As soon as erik gets the source posted somewhere, it will receive some teamacid luv.
It's funny, because I started looking at a herring port last weekend, and then saw the dev thread erik started and stopped.
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Its funny I remember the last time source code was not posted when promised devs got upset and there was a huge dog-pile.
Per the rules here at xda source code should be posted. When can links be expected? .
By posting your work on XDA-Developers, you are agreeing that it complies with relevant licensing conditions. As such, by posting a kernel or other work containing GPL code, you are confirming to us that you have made this source code available publicly under the GPL, and should highlight this in your thread with a link.
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android/xda-developers-and-the-gpl/

eollie said:
Its funny I remember the last time source code was not posted when promised devs got upset and there was a huge dog-pile.
Per the rules here at xda source code should be posted. When can links be expected? .
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/xda-developers-and-the-gpl/
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It's no secret you have a beef with Erik, but really, going to try and call out "no source link", for an alpha build, when he's said he will get source for everyone to work with. If you are going to be that much of a stickler, then you better go through the ROM thread and find EVERY ROM that doesn't have a source link in the thread.
Seriously, go through every single ROM and post in that thread your little XDA link and quote, because otherwise it's shows your being petty against Erik and you're mad because the mod's keep deleting your posts or closing threads every time you start something. I just looked and saw 10 ROM's without source linked without even looking at Erik's releases, so go report all them too and post your quote.

He is not referring to ROM'S and ports, rather the kernel and CM10. er1kmm is NOT keeping it from people for malicious reasons. To imply otherwise is childish.You don't see ANYONE from TFQ releasing ANYTHING CM10. Please stop asking for ETA's. Grow up and stop whining.
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Actually this is something that is suppose to be released when the thread is started. So this eta is a valid one. It would be nice to have this code available so other people can look to see if they can fix stuff. I dont care when I beta release is made, I just care to see the source code posted. That is not a unreasonable request. This is a pretty major release and I know others are chomping at the bit to get it to start trying to fix some things.

eollie said:
Actually this is something that is suppose to be released when the thread is started. So this eta is a valid one. It would be nice to have this code available so other people can look to see if they can fix stuff. I dont care when I beta release is made, I just care to see the source code posted. That is not a unreasonable request. This is a pretty major release and I know others are chomping at the bit to get it to start trying to fix some things.
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Maybe, just maybe, there is something going on in er1kmm's personal life. I honestly don't know. Real life comes before XDA. Be yourself, report it, have any and all threads regarding CM10 deleted (including bhundven's which has been proven false, and his is now an "any other thread").
Edit: Not false, just no longer relevant.

I am not defending or going against anyone here, but the reason that I am asking for source is because I feel that once we have source, we will be able to fix a ton of issues. The more devs/helpers, the better.
And I am quite sure, since erik has promised us source, it'll be here soon enough.