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Samsung/XDA part2

I haven't forgot about you guys. Today we had a meeting with XDA owners via telephone. Were just getting everything ready before we make a huge announcement. I told you guys I'm NOT going to let you guys down. Just be a little patient.
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SamsungJohn said:
I haven't forgot about you guys. Today we had a meeting with XDA owners via telephone. Were just getting everything ready before we make a huge announcement. I told you guys I'm NOT going to let you guys down. Just be a little patient.
Thanks
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I'm not sure there are a lot of expectations here to be let down. We know that in most cases you probably wouldn't be able to offer us beta, or even alpha firmware and software to develop with or on. RC firmware and software would be just as much out of the question so we're down to what is already out, or something that is leaked by people friendly to the development communities that take the chance of getting in to a lot of trouble. So I don't really know what you have to offer yet. I am curious to find out, though.

Dear john, you have sparked a lot of interest, we are drooling at the mouth do you have any gingerbread for us, or dare I speak of honeycomb? ;-)
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"IF" this where to happen it would be a good thing for both samsung and xda for the simple fact that it would help us make better mods for the samsung community and would allow samsung to release things that are more open to modding and customizations that all of us around here love and enjoy making (or in my case learning to make)...hope all goes well with this.

I am a dubious person and do not have expectations as I am still uncertain as to your intentions and more importantly you identity.
But if all is as you say I would take back to the powers that be, many are obviously unhappy with having to run outdated software in the form of the OS on what was at the time of purchase cutting edge hardware.
Give us a option. Give us a way to open the phone up and flash a AOSP option. A more Nexus-ish approach would be fantastic.
The Mainstream will have what they require in a stock configuration and we the ones that know what the potential of the device is can help you in pushing it to its limits.

Well I'm trying to get my post count up so I can comment in development. Anywho kudos to samsung.

Thanks again John, I'm excited and look forward to hearing your announcement!
For those skeptics, he's been trying to prove that he's legit;
http://img602.imageshack.us/i/20110211164013.jpg/
http://img193.imageshack.us/i/20110211205159.jpg/
http://img46.imageshack.us/i/20110211205212.jpg/
http://img841.imageshack.us/i/20110211205219.jpg/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11300099&postcount=78
He already posted these in the captivate forum, let's show him a better welcome while we wait for final details!

mesmerbelly said:
Dear john, you have sparked a lot of interest, we are drooling at the mouth do you have any gingerbread for us, or dare I speak of honeycomb? ;-)
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Honeycomb is made for tablets so I don't think that really helps us. And I highly doubt Samsung is going to release Gingerbread directly to XDA if at all.

akellar said:
Honeycomb is made for tablets so I don't think that really helps us. And I highly doubt Samsung is going to release Gingerbread directly to XDA if at all.
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maybe samsung will use us for testing and maybe some tweaking...that would give us a chance to develop on it before its officially released and we would just plain out have it early, cause if you give the devs here like 2 weeks with just about anything it will be fully modded and running to its full potential!!!
props to xda devs!!!

Everyone please come over to this thread.
Thanks,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11375386#post11375386
TwitterSamsungJohn

Hopefully their next approach works out better, they should have known better than to open a topic up to the entire forum
They should probably have moderator's from each device take questions from their users, then they could collaborate and get only the good questions answered. (and you wouldn't have to deal with trolls/flames/etc.)

SamsungJohn said:
Everyone please come over to this thread.
Thanks,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11375386#post11375386
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Thread Closed...
I suppose the question *since we can't ask specifics* is....
What can you do to help us and or what tools can you provide to the DEVs to help us get every bit of Awesome out of the device that we can.
Put the ball in your court.

Glad THIS thread is still open...
(Does SamsungJohn know how forums work?!?)
ANYhoo... I'm a give 'em enough rope to hang themselves kinda guy and I've actually been recommending the Mesmerize & Fascinate to friends that need new phones based solely on the great XDA community and what they can get those phones to do using only a bread tie, three pennies, and a jar of Cheez Wiz. Kudos to the devs once again!
I had no delusions that Samsung was a great manufacturer... my TV and DVD/home theater unit have had their share of problems... and I was also aware of the OS update delays in other product lines before I got my phone so that wasn't a big surprise either. BUT, I got in on the free phone thing through USCC and (if I EVER get my $80 rebate) I'll still consider being a Mesmerize owner/user a WIN.
What I see here is a classic example of a company that has the OBVIOUS solution within their grasp and they are actively choosing to find an alternative to it that will provide them SHORT TERM monetary gains. They have set themselves up for failure and they have only themselves to blame. Here's a vocabulary lesson for SamsungJohn et al... crowdsourcing

Guys if you haven't read through it, that topic was closed by a moderator because it was an experiment that failed miserably. (because the general XDA population isn't very good at reading and following instruction, and it turned into a huge flamefest.)
John has been confirmed by several sources to be who he says he is (at least works for samsung) and is here working with the XDA administration to (in an organized way) swap feedback with the developing community (on all samsung products).
On a side note Supercurio has been in correspondence with Korean Samsung and has been also pushing for this very thing to happen, but from what I've read i'ts pure coincidence that John arrived when he did.
Anyway, sounds to me like we need to be patient as information IS coming as soon as they figure out the best way to go about this whole thing. This is how I've taken things from what I've read today, don't quote me....

monthlymixcd said:
Here's a vocabulary lesson for SamsungJohn et al... crowdsourcing
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In all fairness Crowdsourceing is what the whole AOSP is about. Android was and is developed to be Open Source. So if a company is reaching out to the community it can't be all bad.
I just think that for the most part a lot of us here are end users.
While I am sure that others like me want to, and strive to learn more, we simply will not be on a par with the current crop of DEVs as they progress as well.
I think the idea of a couple DEVs from each of the respective forums of the variations of the SGS platforms being in contact is a smart idea.
Dcows, Phidelt, and of course JT and many of the OPs in the Samsung Fascinate IRC channel would be obvious choices.
In fact a meeting of the minds in a channel of choice with only participants having voice would be nice as well.
I do understand and hope that SamsungJohn does know as well that most here are simply end users and just wanna know when we will get xxx or yyy ..
I will now go back to my corner get my Java Text out and see if I can learn, learn, learn....

If samsung really wants to get in good with the developement community, they would be wise to make it entirely official, and go to engadget or someone with a press release. If you want to gain our trust, give everyone the AOSP build.
Do I want sammy to be community-minded? Absolutely.
Am I going to trust one guy who says he works for our manufacturer? Well, let's get to the root of that. Do I trust the company who created out hardware? Not at all.

Sighcosis said:
Dcows, Phidelt, and of course JT and many of the OPs in the Samsung Fascinate IRC channel would be obvious choices.
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Yeah I frequent the irc with those guys and we're always willing to help people... I think a lot of people come to forums just to get help and information rather than to develop and theme and stuff like we do. It would probably be more beneficial for Samsungjohn to maybe set up a date on the irc and say like "I will be on from x time to y time" and then people can get on and ask questions and talk about things, and more of the power users who use the irc regularly will get a chance to maybe learn some stuff or help out Samsung.
It would also make it much easier to control, if things get out of hand then the OPs can simply kick or ban the culprits.
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Respect - Dev's

This section is full of the most ungrateful whiny bunch I have yet to see in any mod type forum. I really feel bad for the mods for this phone and I have a great deal of respect for the amount of bs and stupidity you have had to deal with.
It is very clear to me that far too many users in this section lack the proper respect and understanding as to the amount of work and time goes in to 3rd party phone dev. They take your work for granted and cry at every point they get a chance.
There is a big difference between reporting a bug and "OMFG X Doesn't work wtf I donated and the world is ending" (*cough* bella *cough*).
"you all" need to grow up and get a grip on how this scene works, or seriously MOVE ON.
Again thank you dev's for all you do and all you deal with, I can't imagine your frustration.

Agreed.
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Agreed, but we didn't need a thread for this to create flaimbait
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TheMan42 said:
Agreed, but we didn't need a thread for this to create flaimbait
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Disagree. I'm sick of the lack of respect here.

I try and stay out of the infused thread. But I agree its just a free for all around here.
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TheMan42 said:
Agreed, but we didn't need a thread for this to create flaimbait
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This. I agree. Creating this thread and throwing a stone at the same time, is no different than the petty nonsense that was happening in gtg's dev thread. Just stop it, ask a mod to remove this thread, and like most things on the internet, it'll be forgotten.
This thread just throws salt in the wound.

It's pretty nauseating. With any sort of open source software, you're going to get jerks who assume that devs owe them full-time work commitment for miniscule donations.
If you're going to want the attention of someone paying for full-time work, keep your donation and invest in some books on development. It's open source, do it yourself instead of complaining that other people aren't living up to your standards. (I'd love to see any of the people complaining churn out even simple development.)

Love Infused! Admire the work! Awesome job!
Although the technical programming stuff is way over my head, I have to say that I am totally loving Infused. I've done each update since stable was released and have had a very good experience using it. I've also tried some of the apn suggestions and added Infusion since the updates where put on hold. Before Infused, I had to use the unbrick to fix my own mistakes twice. I've played with phones before, so I know I am taking a risk with anything I add or try. Tweaking, adjusting, and sometimes starting over are just part the the process. Maybe frustrating at times, but also part of what makes trying to get the most out of your phone fun and exciting. If people want to enjoy the rewards of the mod, they have to also accept the risks of the mod too.

Cyanogen Mod Kernel Port Project

As of right now, I am modifying and reviewing the code in the KVM folders in both sources. I just need to know as to who is doing what. It would be a LOT easier for anyone who is trying to port the CM GB Kernel to our phone. So far it is taking me all night long just to do ONE file. If I can get help with this. It will mean that we will get CM7 running on our phone soon.

i pm'ed you the link to krylon's source. Have a look at that.

Could we not port it from the Vibrant as described here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1099454

pwner5889 said:
As of right now, I am modifying and reviewing the code in the KVM folders in both sources.
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KVM folders?
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I just need to know as to who is doing what.
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AFAIK, Krylon360 isn't working on cm7 for sgs4g anymore.
I have the kernel almost working and should have something very soon.
RaverX3X has worked on the rom, and we are still testing and debugging a bootloop issue.
pwner5889 said:
It would be a LOT easier for anyone who is trying to port the CM GB Kernel to our phone. So far it is taking me all night long just to do ONE file. If I can get help with this. It will mean that we will get CM7 running on our phone soon.
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I know you guys are really-super excited for cm7. The most you can do to help is wait and be patient! Trust me... soon.

bhundven said:
KVM folders?
AFAIK, Krylon360 isn't working on cm7 for sgs4g anymore.
I have the kernel almost working and should have something very soon.
RaverX3X has worked on the rom, and we are still testing and debugging a bootloop issue.
I know you guys are really-super excited for cm7. The most you can do to help is wait and be patient! Trust me... soon.
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You have got me past excited now lol im waiting patientlly as possible best of luck to ya... End transmission lol
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bhundven said:
KVM folders?
AFAIK, Krylon360 isn't working on cm7 for sgs4g anymore.
I have the kernel almost working and should have something very soon.
RaverX3X has worked on the rom, and we are still testing and debugging a bootloop issue.
I know you guys are really-super excited for cm7. The most you can do to help is wait and be patient! Trust me... soon.
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I knew someone was already working on it. I just wanted to help out a little. Yes, the KVM folders inside the vir. (I think?)

pwner5889 said:
I knew someone was already working on it. I just wanted to help out a little. Yes, the KVM folders inside the vir. (I think?)
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Sorry dude, I still have no clue what you are talking about.
Maybe provide full paths to what you're talking about?
If you searched around, or read under "Plans" in the OP of my kernel thread (serious everyone... it's been there for quite some time!) or search through Q&A or General, you will find me talking about the progress of where I'm at whenever someone brings up another cm7 or kernel thread.
I will also plan on updating the OP in that thread or at least point to a new thread... when something happens.
Something is being worked on, but unless you are experienced with android/kernel system development, sit back and relax. There are a few gb roms to play with, fb's debloat tool, if you hate wifi/4g reception or want bln/voodoo sound, go check out froyo roms (don't forget about bootloaders ).
Relax, if you want something good, you have to wait.

Replied to the wrong thread.

Nice i cant wait for cm7 port. Loved it with my g2 and cm6 with my old g1
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Bh is already really close.
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airfluip1 said:
Bh is already really close.
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please stop.
I know you are excited. You get me on chat and say hi, then log out. You ask me all the time for status... while I'm at work, doing work stuff. I can't touch this stuff while I'm at work, cause I don't get paid to do this, I get paid to do my work.
And no. I'm not "really close". There is plenty of stuff for me to figure out, and the ammount of time i'd spend telling you what is going on, I could be working on it.
I spend LESS THEN 20% of my time on this stuff, and nothing has changed from last night. There is nothing 'newer' then that.
Status: I'm not done. Nothing is ready yet. Check the forum for updates. I have no ETAs. Relax, go watch tv, hiking, learn to surf... do something. Gimme time. (btw, this is why I don't like adding people to my gtalk.)

Geez, sorry. Didn't have to flame me.
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OK, If we want CM7. can someone at least tell me where to start. If I look at Bhundven's source, what do I do. I have the resource to do so.

Dude just leave it be, no offence but its people like you that discourage people from deving. Best of luck bh
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airfluip1 said:
OK, If we want CM7. can someone at least tell me where to start. If I look at Bhundven's source, what do I do. I have the resource to do so.
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Go to google and learn how to edit and compile the Linux kernel. I don't know anything about editing kernels either and that's where I'd start. Before you ask why you need to learn about Linux you should know that Android is based on Linux.

lowsnamebrand said:
Dude just leave it be, no offence but your the type of person who discourages people from deving best of luck to bh
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Its comments like that ... that discourage people from helping. Whether you have a problem with air or not you should still keep your comments to yourself. I have not ever even seen you attempt to help someone with anything yet you believe you have the right to bash others for trying.
P.S. When you just say "no offense" and then say something offensive, it does not make it ok.

no offense...
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Its comments like that ... that discourage people from helping. Whether you have a problem with air or not you should still keep your comments to yourself. I have not ever even seen you attempt to help someone with anything yet you believe you have the right to bash others for trying.
P.S. When you just say "no offense" and then say something offensive, it does not make it ok.
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Jiggly... if I may,
While I agree on the double standard on 'no offense', the point being made is that there is a link at the bottom of my signature that says 'github'.
If you venture there, you find repositories. The ones with the readme files are the 'useful' files.
If you want me to spoon feed the young, I will need more arms.
I wish this community would embrace the saying 'RTM'. It's all there. Black and White (depending on your system settings ). There is more then one forum on xda, and other phone forums based on the galaxy s phone also provide tips on building cyanogen. And the commands are only slightly different.
At this point with my source, a build if it builds would not work at all. I'm experimenting around with a few local repo's that are not on github. And when that stuff works, I totally plan on putting up a [REF] thread here in general on building sgs4g cm7 from source.
I don't plan on doing this any sooner then it working, because you don't need to be bricking your phone... right!?!
If you are an android developer and know how to build cm7, you would have found the manifest and never looked back. forked repositories, sent me pull requests to merge your code into my tree... so we can work together.
On one hand, I don't want to baby sit 'wanna be' developers that have no clue what they are getting into, because I don't want to play Q&A with them. It eats up all my time on making this stuff work in the first place.
On the other hand, there are real developers out there who know what to do, but might need some help. I do not want to push these people away, because they will just go and all I have to do is merge.

I cannot agree with you more BH. I appreciate all the work that you do for our phones community and my post was not a comment towards you at all.
I cannot even imagine trying to develop and help people with their questions as much as possible along the way. I know that every minute you are answering questions that is one less minute you are using your "CM7 time" to develop.
My post was simply stating that if you do absolutely NOTHING for the community (lowsnamebrand)... don't bash others for trying. I know people that were asking noob questions 6 to 8 months ago that are developing roms for other devices.
I do apologize if I offended you as that was not my intention whatsoever. I just hate seeing people shoot others down and bash others for trying. Whether you love airfluip or hate him, you cannot deny that he does try to help as much as possible. He asks what he can do to help (which may annoy people but i feel he really wants to help), answers peoples questions, developed AOSP rom and deals with a lot of the same "hand holding" helping people to flash roms.
Again, I am sorry if I offended you but my comment was not in reference to you or your work at all. Thanks for all that you do BH.
and airfluip1

jigglynuts said:
I cannot agree with you more BH. I appreciate all the work that you do for our phones community and my post was not a comment towards you at all.
I cannot even imagine trying to develop and help people with their questions as much as possible along the way. I know that every minute you are answering questions that is one less minute you are using your "CM7 time" to develop.
My post was simply stating that if you do absolutely NOTHING for the community (lowsnamebrand)... don't bash others for trying. I know people that were asking noob questions 6 to 8 months ago that are developing roms for other devices.
I do apologize if I offended you as that was not my intention whatsoever. I just hate seeing people shoot others down and bash others for trying. Whether you love airfluip or hate him, you cannot deny that he does try to help as much as possible. He asks what he can do to help (which may annoy people but i feel he really wants to help), answers peoples questions, developed AOSP rom and deals with a lot of the same "hand holding" helping people to flash roms.
Again, I am sorry if I offended you but my comment was not in reference to you or your work at all. Thanks for all that you do BH.
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Haha, nah man. Airfluip1 is young and full of "go'get'em". I was like that once. A couple people gave me **** and I started reading everything I could get my hands on because I never wanted to be 'that guy'. He just needs the thwack over the head to go read more. (google, it works!)
Airfluip1 thinks that I am making daily progress on this. I'm not.
The only reason I said anything in the first place is because he keeps pumping up other user's saying "Oh, bh is gonna get cm7 out soon!" which really isn't being honest to other users. If I can get SKILLED help, then we can get cm7 out sooner. But I don't want to teach people stuff that they could find/learn on google. If you can't figure that out, don't ask to help me. It just annoys me.
My response to your post was supposed to have some <snarky> and <sarcasm> tags, I musta failed
I hope you laughed at the "if I may,"

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Undead is leaving the MT4GS

FYI.
Think what you want about the guy, he kept ROMs moving when there was only two guys working on our device. I for one will miss his work. He pushed development away from shades of stock and in interesting directions. He is moving to a Samsung Galaxy S Epic II.
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Coug76 said:
FYI.
Think what you want about the guy, he kept ROMs moving when there was only two guys working on our device. I for one will miss his work. He pushed development away from shades of stock and in interesting directions. He is moving to a Samsung Galaxy S Epic II.
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He might have been the King of Kang, but he did some good stuff with the phone. Dem ROMs.

That's a bummer, I know a lot of people enjoyed his work. I however will not miss his attitude, I stopped using any of his work months ago because of the way he talked to people. I much prefer to support Blue, because he is very helpful, and approachable, and is always respectful. I am bummed for the people who enjoyed Undead's work though.

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That's a bummer, I know a lot of people enjoyed his work. I however will not miss his attitude, I stopped using any of his work months ago because of the way he talked to people. I much prefer to support Blue, because he is very helpful, and approachable, and is always respectful. I am bummed for the people who enjoyed Undead's work though.
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Being a developer is stressful. I for one would have his same attitude if I was a developer. He did have a bad attitude at times but he supported his work to the fullest. No other dev for DS can say that.
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Who cares about his attitude?
I've never encountered him acting out on anyone, granted I've only been in this community for the past few weeks or so, but does that matter?
He was great at making roms, and graciously released his work to all of us. He even kept up a great update schedule. Devs are not here to be your friend or guidance counselor. And they also have no obligation of being nice to anyone. Releasing their work to everyone is nice in itself.

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Who cares about his attitude?
I've never encountered him acting out on anyone, granted I've only been in this community for the past few weeks or so, but does that matter?
He was great at making roms, and graciously released his work to all of us. He even kept up a great update schedule. Devs are not here to be your friend or guidance counselor. And they also have no obligation of being nice to anyone. Releasing their work to everyone is nice in itself.
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It is my right to think he had a bad attitude and boycott his work. I also didn't like him cutting out common features from a rom just to make it faster, when this device is already fast enough for anything I need it to do, so I choose to use something else. I think no matter what anyone does, they can be respectful when talking to people. That doesn't mean being a friend or guidance counselor, it just means being respectful. Also there were other issues that caused him to get banned from xda, so I am not the only one who has an issue with the guy (just sayin').

Anytime a dev leaves a community, it's generally a bad thing.
I totally respect the fact that he put a lot of time and energy into building these ROMs, however, I never really felt like he *owned* any. Most developers tend to build a ROM that they use, and improve it. Undead built like a bazillion ROMS, and I never felt like he really personally used/supported any of his creations.

yellowjacket1981 said:
It is my right to think he had a bad attitude and boycott his work. I also didn't like him cutting out common features from a rom just to make it faster, when this device is already fast enough for anything I need it to do, so I choose to use something else. I think no matter what anyone does, they can be respectful when talking to people. That doesn't mean being a friend or guidance counselor, it just means being respectful. Also there were other issues that caused him to get banned from xda, so I am not the only one who has an issue with the guy (just sayin').
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Of course it is your right. I never said it wasn't. And as I said before, I've never seen him act out.
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Anytime a dev leaves a community, it's generally a bad thing.
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+1
Every time.

I think the biggest impact would be to out counterparts in the rootzwiki. Without him, I think that forum is gonna go quite... quiet.
Meanwhile, I don't think it's a good idea for members in this community to be flaming at each other--we're supposed to support each other, aren't we?
It sucks that he left (here and mt4gs in general) - whether we regard him as king kang, or DS's savior, but we'll have to move on. I'm probably gonna write him a PM over at rootz saying thanks for his contribution for MT4GS later today.

You know, I couldn't help but chime in here; I'm a freelance developer, and don't get to develop a lot for anything but work. So this brings me to a short manifesto (sorry I'm a marxist and I like to use the word when I can), even though it's just a list of observations I want to share:
1) No 'community' is better without someone [I hesitated to say anyone ]
1a) I feel this attitude is such a contradiction to the intent of
open-source. In other words, open-source, just not open-attitude.
1b) I'm not trying to be insulting, but I find it funny you
comment on the red-herring of someone's age, when I would think
someone closer to my age (I'm gathering you too are a gainfully employed
adult; we'll just say closer to 40 than 30 =) )...so I try to liken it to
working with people you don't necessarily like; caveat here is no ones
making a lot of/any money, so try to be a little more appreciative and
a little less judgmental (think off all these peeps work as a favor). Which
brings me to...
1c) "...he got into deving for this phone for the wrong reasons. This was
inevitable. I'm surprised he stuck THIS long." We need to get together
and start a business if u can read minds, and what the "wrong reasons"
for learning rom development might be...well I'll be thinking
on that one for a while
2) Is this even verified? I'm about to PM him and ask....he's been nothing
but polite and cordgial from what I've seen.
3) "That is the kind of quip Undead would regularly let go. And why???
Completely unnecessary." Ever occur to you that the community(YOU)
should complain about the post and get it removed? If it's that
bad it will be?
3a) Personally, I'd rather devs work on what they do best, bringing
us great ROM's!
3b) Maybe the community needs to police itself a little, your post
seemed to be pointless, IMHO; I mean, apparently you don't like
this guy, but I bet you use his $hit.
EDIT: Confirmed, he's finishing up some of his current stuff and moving on to another device...even mentioned the XDA rift as one of the reasons...guess you can make software open-source, but peoples' attitudes are just as big a barrier.
That's all...soap box is someone else's now

shanigami said:
You know, I couldn't help but chime in here; I'm a freelance developer, and don't get to develop a lot for anything but work. So this brings me to a short manifesto (sorry I'm a marxist and I like to use the word when I can), even though it's just a list of observations I want to share:
1) No 'community' is better without someone [I hesitated to say anyone ]
1a) I feel this attitude is such a contradiction to the intent of
open-source. In other words, open-source, just not open-attitude.
1b) I'm not trying to be insulting, but I find it funny you
comment on the red-herring of someone's age, when I would think
someone closer to my age (I'm gathering you too are a gainfully employed
adult; we'll just say closer to 40 than 30 =) )...so I try to liken it to
working with people you don't necessarily like; caveat here is no ones
making a lot of/any money, so try to be a little more appreciative and
a little less judgmental (think off all these peeps work as a favor). Which
brings me to...
1c) "...he got into deving for this phone for the wrong reasons. This was
inevitable. I'm surprised he stuck THIS long." We need to get together
and start a business if u can read minds, and what the "wrong reasons"
for learning rom development might be...well I'll be thinking
on that one for a while
2) Is this even verified? I'm about to PM him and ask....he's been nothing
but polite and cordgial from what I've seen.
3) "That is the kind of quip Undead would regularly let go. And why???
Completely unnecessary." Ever occur to you that the community(YOU)
should complain about the post and get it removed? If it's that
bad it will be?
3a) Personally, I'd rather devs work on what they do best, bringing
us great ROM's!
3b) Maybe the community needs to police itself a little, your post
seemed to be pointless, IMHO; I mean, apparently you don't like
this guy, but I bet you use his $hit.
EDIT: Confirmed, he's finishing up some of his current stuff and moving on to another device...even mentioned the XDA rift as one of the reasons...guess you can make software open-source, but peoples' attitudes are just as big a barrier.
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Wow. I'm impressed. That was very well said. FYI @_atlien_ I'm 27. I just got no patients for peoples stupidity. I pmed undeadk9 a long message. Thanking him for the time he did develop for us. Also @_atlien_ It is YOUR attitude and YOUR Stupidity asking bout unmarrying android and Google was by far the most stupid request I've even seen on any forum. YOU bring out the worst in people. Just saying. Rather then pointing fingers at undead why don't you look in the mirror. When people ask stupid questions it tends to piss off people. The community would actually be better off without YOU. Not undeadk9.
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AndroidBotx said:
wait wait wait...aren't you the same idiot who thought it was a good idea to "unmarry" android and Google? Lmfao. You might as well just keep your mouth shut. You got zero creditibilty in this discussion. I'm not even a dev and I know its not possible.
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Don't worry buddy, I've reported you
Technically it is possible to a certain extent. Just don't install any gapps

Ive never even seen anything undead released, i just got this phone last weekend, anyways its always sad to see a developer leave the scene, i come from the evo shift forums and we had some good development but nothing was updated and maintained there was always a new release that never seen updates, and i stepped up and did everything i could for them, and it was a very rewarding adventure....btw never sell anyone short because you all just got a couple new users than can dev a bit lol
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Enjoy, everyone! This is meant to be a free-for-all of awesomeness.

estallings15 said:
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this and then the thread will get locked, but guess what? I don't care.
I have noticed that there are a lot of Dev's and others posting things here that they do for no other reason than to share. Sure a lot of people want recognition, but at the end of the day no one makes money off of this. That's what the Play Store is for.
I'm sure a lot of people would agree that it is very sad that you can't go through many release threads without somebody getting mad at someone else, and worse, getting mad at the guy/gal who spent hours making something which they then shared for FREE.
I'm not going to sit here and spew the same crap about how people should get along and all that; you have parents for that. I will simply say, "thank you" to all of the developers, modders, themers and anyone else who made an honest attempt to contribute. Before you get frustrated and down, remember that for every person who makes a fuss and angers you to the point of violence, there are at least 50 other users who appreciate your efforts. Thank you for contributing to the community.
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Agree 100%. People act like they deserve ROMs, themes, mods, ect. You don't. The ROM makers do this for enjoyment. I'm 14 and have a ton of work to do and of course there's school drama. I use Android to get away from all of it. It feels good. Then people reprimand us about how the ROM sucks. It is not cool. I hope this forum gets ynder control fast.
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I know you devs, & also the ones that port the roms work hard, & do your best to provide stable roms for all to enjoy. You do it basically for free and I would hope people like me, that use them, would simply say thank you. I will be honest, & let you all know that I am currently laid off from my job, and I can barely provide for my wife & son, therefore I have not been able to donate any money to help keep yalls moral up, but I hope that in the near future I can. But at the very least, I can say thank you for all you do. I have fun reading & learning from u guys, & as far as the people that complain...I wouldn't let it bother me if I were you, because there are A LOT more satisfied people than there are complaints!
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estallings15 said:
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this and then the thread will get locked, but guess what? I don't care.
I have noticed that there are a lot of Dev's and others posting things here that they do for no other reason than to share. Sure a lot of people want recognition, but at the end of the day no one makes money off of this. That's what the Play Store is for.
I'm sure a lot of people would agree that it is very sad that you can't go through many release threads without somebody getting mad at someone else, and worse, getting mad at the guy/gal who spent hours making something which they then shared for FREE.
I'm not going to sit here and spew the same crap about how people should get along and all that; you have parents for that. I will simply say, "thank you" to all of the developers, modders, themers and anyone else who made an honest attempt to contribute. Before you get frustrated and down, remember that for every person who makes a fuss and angers you to the point of violence, there are at least 50 other users who appreciate your efforts. Thank you for contributing to the community.
Let the flaming commence!
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Amen

Ahhhh! The joys of life
We all love to enjoy the work of others as if it were our own. It seems that as we use it ,we believe that it actually is ours {in my mind. Therefore to criticize is warranted and fair. [in my mind of course]. So don"t allow others to get to you. Developers do hard yet rewarding labor with mistakes , goofs, knowledge, and joys- provided that we who enjoy the fruits of their labor appreciate labor is involved and dissapointment is evident to them and us when problems arise. True joy is achieved when constructive comments lead to further development as well as real progress. If all were fired for goofs on the job all nations would be on the dole [if govts could afford it with no tax base]. Love your neighbor as yourself, especially in this case when he's working for free

trofmoc said:
We all love to enjoy the work of others as if it were our own. It seems that as we use it ,we believe that it actually is ours {in my mind. Therefore to criticize is warranted and fair. [in my mind of course]. So don"t allow others to get to you. Developers do hard yet rewarding labor with mistakes , goofs, knowledge, and joys- provided that we who enjoy the fruits of their labor appreciate labor is involved and dissapointment is evident to them and us when problems arise. True joy is achieved when constructive comments lead to further development as well as real progress. If all were fired for goofs on the job all nations would be on the dole [if govts could afford it with no tax base]. Love your neighbor as yourself, especially in this case when he's working for free
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Agreed. Constructive critism should always be welcome. The key word, though, is contsructive.
Thank you for you input.

invasion2 said:
Agree 100%. People act like they deserve ROMs, themes, mods, ect. You don't. The ROM makers do this for enjoyment. I'm 14 and have a ton of work to do and of course there's school drama. I use Android to get away from all of it. It feels good. Then people reprimand us about how the ROM sucks. It is not cool. I hope this forum gets ynder control fast.
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YOU'RE 14???? Damn bro I respect you immensely.
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tristan6100 said:
YOU'RE 14???? Damn bro I respect you immensely.
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Yeah not many people know that. That's why I can't get an update out immediately. Got school aand stuff anyway thank you for the respect.
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invasion2 said:
Yeah not many people know that. That's why I can't get an update out immediately. Got school aand stuff anyway thank you for the respect.
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I just wonder how you do it. I tried to learn c++ not too long ago but took a break cuz its so hard. Considering Java is about the same difficulty level and that you're able to make and port roms, you got a lot of perseverance and dedication.
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tristan6100 said:
I just wonder how you do it. I tried to learn c++ not too long ago but took a break cuz its so hard. Considering Java is about the same difficulty level and that you're able to make and port roms, you got a lot of perseverance and dedication.
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Well thank you again listen. To get into developing for Android, you gotta read a lot and ask questions. I did that, and look where I am so I think you should keep going. PM me with questions if you want. Good luck!
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invasion2 said:
Well thank you again listen. To get into developing for Android, you gotta read a lot and ask questions. I did that, and look where I am so I think you should keep going. PM me with questions if you want. Good luck!
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but most importantly, before all of that, you gotta make the commitment. you can't just decide one day to develop and back down the next day. it doesn't work that way. if you're going to develop, you gotta stick with it till the very end.

True dat

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invasion2 said:
Well thank you again listen. To get into developing for Android, you gotta read a lot and ask questions. I did that, and look where I am so I think you should keep going. PM me with questions if you want. Good luck!
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I totally feel you man I'm 15 and am on the drumline. But I spend all my free time on here always learning something new. Thanks for the input and inspiration.
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sckboy78 said:
Troll bump
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Resurrected!

saranhai said:
but most importantly, before all of that, you gotta make the commitment. you can't just decide one day to develop and back down the next day. it doesn't work that way. if you're going to develop, you gotta stick with it till the very end.
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oh im on that boat right now, it is difficult to begin into this whole development thing, i've been doing a lot of reading, coding samples on piece of paper, researching the forums for question that im sure were asked but most importantly as Saranhai said is the commitment, im down 100% to learn on my free time not only that but i do try, i really try hard to make this whole thing pay, i can modify apks, i already started creating themes for the theme engine in CM, my next step is theming a whole rom then after that i will learn how to compile from source, port and ultimately my goal is on the launcher, i would love to come up with a different UI as everyone else does at one point.
Sometimes people does not recognize the time you invest as a developer, i don't consider myself a developer as i do fairly basic things, probably my big mistake so far is not asking for help mainly because im afraid of rejection, i asked for help in the past (not on XDA but on another forum) and the dev just got his enjoyment to call me noob, rookie or every single word that is out there to just call me a novice after that i just decided to do not ask any questions and just learn by myself, yeah i have questions about many things and probably is better when someone with experience tells you what to do in case of errors but nothing like your own sacrifice.
i really hope this community gets better, as in any forum you will find people that is down to criticize your work in a good way so you can improve and then there are the a**holes who think you have to fix whatever error they have just because you have to.......Me? if you want an honest and constructive criticism i will tell you what's wrong and probably i wont tell you how to fix it as im fairly new into android development but i can do that, i can try your work and tell you whats wrong with it.

NeuroticallyYou said:
oh im on that boat right now, it is difficult to begin into this whole development thing, i've been doing a lot of reading, coding samples on piece of paper, researching the forums for question that im sure were asked but most importantly as Saranhai said is the commitment, im down 100% to learn on my free time not only that but i do try, i really try hard to make this whole thing pay, i can modify apks, i already started creating themes for the theme engine in CM, my next step is theming a whole rom then after that i will learn how to compile from source, port and ultimately my goal is on the launcher, i would love to come up with a different UI as everyone else does at one point.
Sometimes people does not recognize the time you invest as a developer, i don't consider myself a developer as i do fairly basic things, probably my big mistake so far is not asking for help mainly because im afraid of rejection, i asked for help in the past (not on XDA but on another forum) and the dev just got his enjoyment to call me noob, rookie or every single word that is out there to just call me a novice after that i just decided to do not ask any questions and just learn by myself, yeah i have questions about many things and probably is better when someone with experience tells you what to do in case of errors but nothing like your own sacrifice.
i really hope this community gets better, as in any forum you will find people that is down to criticize your work in a good way so you can improve and then there are the a**holes who think you have to fix whatever error they have just because you have to.......Me? if you want an honest and constructive criticism i will tell you what's wrong and probably i wont tell you how to fix it as im fairly new into android development but i can do that, i can try your work and tell you whats wrong with it.
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Wow. Well, people are a little nicer around here, and you can always PM someone. But, like you said, if you learn on your own it's even better.

I hate when I take a dump and there's no toilet paper...just saying.
Teach yourself and get advice is the best way.
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sckboy78 said:
I hate when I take a dump and there's no toilet paper...just saying.
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I did that the other day. My wife keeps the extra rolls in the hallway, so I had to do the ****e shuffle out to the hallway cabinet. Suuuucks.