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What do you like/dislike about 4.4 for the Note 3?

Just thought I would make a thread comparing and compiling what people like and dislike about the latest 4.4 update for the Note 3. Personally I've found the update to be much of the same, however Samsung has made some annoying decisions too.
Likes
- Unlocking the phone is SO much faster!
- The new white icons look much better than Samsung's usual green ones.
- The new Notification shade looks more in-touch with modern Android styling.
- General speed all over.
Dislikes
- One feature of KitKat was Native Emoji support Samsung's default messaging app converts to MMS when you insert an Emoji.
- Samsung has included the most UGLY emoji's ever! These were already native on the Note 3 but I thought they would have switched to Google's.
- The fact Samsung even included a messaging app; why not just switch to Hangouts.
- The camera seems to be a bit laggier after the update, processing in dark images takes longer and is prone to blurriness.
- If you set a password or numeric code, when you unlock your phone unlike an iPhone or HTC you do not have to swipe. It goes straight to the input.
- General Samsung bloatiness and lag.
Overall I feel like KitKat has "refreshed" the Note somewhat, but I think that KitKat is not a major upgrade for the Note 3 at all, and it feels more like a .x upgrade. After using the Nexus 5, it really doesn't feel like the Note 3 is using 4.4, it feels much the same as 4.3.

Questions don't belong here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2481255

Dislikes:
- Not using ART (Android Runtime)
Wasn't that the biggest innovation in KitKat?
- Again Samsungs country cluttering
On the new polish ROM learning hub, Music and Bookstore not working/downloadable in Germany
- AppOPS no native support
- SDcards getting useless more and more... wonder when we will not be able to move anything there - well we still can pay 100bucks per 16Gb more storage on phone
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Flyer.michael said:
Dislikes:
- Not using ART (Android Runtime)
Wasn't that the biggest innovation in KitKat?
- Again Samsungs country cluttering
On the new polish ROM learning hub, Music and Bookstore not working/downloadable in Germany
- AppOPS no native support
- SDcards getting useless more and more... wonder when we will not be able to move anything there - well we still can pay 100bucks per 16Gb more storage on phone
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Can you not change it in Dev options?

No
ART not implemented
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Flyer.michael said:
Dislikes:
- SDcards getting useless more and more... wonder when we will not be able to move anything there - well we still can pay 100bucks per 16Gb more storage on phone
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please elaborate

Flyer.michael said:
Dislikes:
- Not using ART (Android Runtime)
Wasn't that the biggest innovation in KitKat?
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ART is still technically in beta form. Samsung will never add a beta to their final rls. If something messes up it makes them look terrible (more so than they already do..)
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What I Like:
Awesome speed and smooth.
Better Audio quality.
Finally no more ugly green icon at status bar.
Much better camera output quality especially at night shoot. Sharp and clear.
Love the new lockscreen especially the music playback button.
What I Dislike:
S View chipset detection, now only original Samsung will work, not working for counterfeit include those branded like Spigen.
Disable of ART, I know it is beta but at least let use tryout.

Is there a chance to get the stock-emojis (google) back?

androidlover287 said:
Questions don't belong here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2481255
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Though I see your point, I felt this is a general discussion amongst the Note 3 community. I'm inviting people to discuss what they like and do not like about the 4.4 update, though I understand the title alienates this.
Flyer.michael said:
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ART not implemented
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'Tis a shame, though it's most likely down to the beta.
BC01 said:
Is there a chance to get the stock-emojis (google) back?
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I hope, the ones Samsung include are so ugly!

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Like
- Better colour when using the multimedia dock
- less buggy when detecting keyboard and mouse plugged into the dock
Dislike
- Non working un-official S-View covers (forcing rip off price official ones or nothing)
- Lower gaming performance (or so the Epic Citadel benchmark shows with lower phone performance, and locked at 30fps on HDMI)
- Sort of a like in that there is now landscape support for the non Multimedia Dock screen, but a major dislike that it's still the poor chopped off bottom row implementation that 3rd parties offer, the official version should at least have a layout that fits all the icons on the screen.
- Hit and miss SD card support, I find it either works really slow when trying to access it or seemingly doesn't work at all.
I can see this firmware being followed by a stream of bug fixes as it feels very beta, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the buggy beta accidentally released.

They better not abandon sdcard support, I didn't pay extra $$$ for the Google experience!

Andrewtst said:
[*]S View chipset detection, now only original Samsung will work, not working for counterfeit include those branded like Spigen.
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WTH

Can there be a lawsuit for this destruction of functionality?

Issue on 4.4.2 KitKat ROM - What I dislike now!
Flashing kitkat now will make the external SD almost useless. You will not be able write in certain process, example moving/copying data via third party explorer, multiple photos select for deletion at QuickPic, backup using Titanium Backup. No issue save camera photos on it or play games store at SD card. This only can be fix if you root your phone and change platform.xml and once root it is confirm 100% trip the Knox. Solution for fixing this issue [FIX][LEAKED 4.4]External Sdcard Mount Perms fix - xda-developers
KitKat ROM is detecting S View Cover Chipset, only Genuine Samsung S View Flipcover will working now. All counterfeit or any branded casing including Spigen SlimArmor View will stop the S View function once update to KitKat ROM.
There will be no downgrading back to 4.3 roms anymore after update to 4.4 KitKat ROM.
Don't play play mess with Bootloader, already got few user phone completely DEAD (cannot on or detect by PC) once mess with Bootloader.

If SD card doesn't work anymore Google can go to whatever, now I will need to block any possibility of this getting on my phone ever. I never thought I may start thinking if Windows phone wouldn't be an option for me in the future. One Crapple is enough on the phone market.

pete4k said:
If SD card doesn't work anymore Google can go to whatever, now I will need to block any possibility of this getting on my phone ever. I never thought I may start thinking if Windows phone wouldn't be an option for me in the future. One Crapple is enough on the phone market.
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Hi, I change the statement. It can read and write but not all write process.
Flashing kitkat now will make the external SD almost useless. You will not be able write in certain process, example moving/copying data via third party explorer, multiple photos select for deletion at QuickPic, backup using Titanium Backup. No issue save camera photos on it or play games store at SD card.

This is all stupid peoples fault.
if it wasn't for people being so technically inept, companies wouldn't have to cater to them by degeneratively dumbing down each and every version release.
Soon android will have no functionality, just like Apple iOS

New bootloader is required for 4.4.x is [email protected]@k joke.
-I stay away from 4.4.2 for now, wait bit longer.
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Google is slowly starting to become a joke. Deciding to only update the Nexus 5 to the new "Google Experience" launcher has majorly fragmented the feel of Android through & through. I'm also starting to find that Google apps used to be robust, they are now starting to show lack of innovation and also some bugs. Take Hangouts for example, it is not a nice application to use on the Note 3 at all.

[Q] CM11 - kitkat 4.4.2 Camera

Hey,
ive been running cyanogenmod 11 nightlies and its been a good experience so far, fast and hardly any bugs. the only problem i have is the stock camera. its not even close to the quality of sense roms. it has trouble focusing and the quality is just subpar. Is there any fixes or mods to help improve quality or is it just one of the drawbacks of running stock android?

xPhrosty said:
Hey,
ive been running cyanogenmod 11 nightlies and its been a good experience so far, fast and hardly any bugs. the only problem i have is the stock camera. its not even close to the quality of sense roms. it has trouble focusing and the quality is just subpar. Is there any fixes or mods to help improve quality or is it just one of the drawbacks of running stock android?
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hey
The thing is sense camera can't be ported to aosp.

bilal_liberty said:
hey
The thing is sense camera can't be ported to aosp.
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I understand that sense camera can't be used on aosp ROMs, but is there any way to improve the camera quality of aosp ROMs, such as cm11?

Well from what I noticed, the image does not look sharp in the camera app, but after I went into gallery and zoomed in, it loads and looks a lot better. I'm not really disappointed with it.
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Snap Camera HDR is built from the same 4.4 source, but has many enhancements and performance improvements. It's significantly faster and has a better burst mode. Worth the $2, and you can even install a trial version.

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Snap Camera HDR is built from the same 4.4 source, but has many enhancements and performance improvements. It's significantly faster and has a better burst mode. Worth the $2, and you can even install a trial version.
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thanks for the suggestion. how would you compare the quality of the stock camera with that of snap camera hdr?

xPhrosty said:
thanks for the suggestion. how would you compare the quality of the stock camera with that of snap camera hdr?
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I would also say to go with a paid camera app. I've heard good things about procapture but too cheap to buy it myself yet. Currently I'm use Camera MX. I installed it while I was still running sense and I had the opportunity to compare the two head to head. I'd say the sense one was definitely better but only ever so slightly. Certainly now that I compare Camera MX to the stock one on 4.4, it is like night and day. Camera MX is waaay better.
Finally, I should mention that some camera app makers are starting to tune their apps to the flagship phones (eg. HTC One, S4). That doesn't really help us, but it's something to consider when making your next purchase. Things like the camera really need to be tuned to the hardware to get the best performance.

fonnae said:
I would also say to go with a paid camera app. I've heard good things about procapture but too cheap to buy it myself yet. Currently I'm use Camera MX. I installed it while I was still running sense and I had the opportunity to compare the two head to head. I'd say the sense one was definitely better but only ever so slightly. Certainly now that I compare Camera MX to the stock one on 4.4, it is like night and day. Camera MX is waaay better.
Finally, I should mention that some camera app makers are starting to tune their apps to the flagship phones (eg. HTC One, S4). That doesn't really help us, but it's something to consider when making your next purchase. Things like the camera really need to be tuned to the hardware to get the best performance.
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Thanks for the suggestion, ill definitely give camera mx a try,

Hi,
I run on CM11 and I think the stock CM11 cam is ok.
But I have a problem when the cam needs the flashight in dark environments. The Cam doesn't use the flashlight to focus the image. Only when the image is being recorded, the flashlight is used. That's why I have bad, fuzzy results if the pictures were taken in the dark.
I have also tried another camera apps like the Camera MX but there is the same problem.
Are there others who have the same problem or can it be solved by the settings?
THX

Camera is getting better on 4.4.
No HDR, but decent.
Bad in 4.4 si sound. No Beats Audio...
Camera is not the same in 4.4.2 roms. Some have more options, some ar thin in facilities.

just switched to cm11 from an older sense rom. Big feature I'm missing in the camera is the ability to take pictures while recording. This feature is supposed to be included on the camera now, but I can't seem to figure out how to make it work. Am I missing something?
I have the latest version 2.2.024.

Camera on 4.4.4 Deviant Xone is Good.
I think its about the same like sense camera.
Thank you, $droyd$

I use the app camera zoom fx, because I don't like the Cm camera app.
Camera zoom fx is much better.

Hi,
i`m current using 4.4.4 since update on 4.4.2 the camera can not zoom. I can zoom on the screen but the picture isn´t zoomed.
That ist with both apps (cm11 app and google camera).
Is there any solution?

Mine works.
I guess it's from youre rom.

Now i use MIUI Germany 4.3.2.8 Android 4.1.1
Camera have HD option. Foto not so good.
Picture is way better with Deviant Xone camera.
I have tried the software with HD camera, or "professional HD camera". Description is fantastic.
Soft, NO!

Early camera test X Play vs Galaxy S6

the guys at mobilesyrup have done a nice shootout with the 2 cameras -- and the results are good, imo, on the X Play side.
indeed, it could've been better with an improved camera app from Motorola, but that could come in a later update. for now, all I can say, that for half the price of a S6/Edge, the Moto X Play does pretty well on the camera sector. so, can't wait for my order to arrive!
here is the link: http://mobilesyrup.com/2015/08/15/camera-shootout-moto-x-play-vs-samsung-galaxy-s6/

Nice, but my first impression using Moto X play camera is that, you still feel like using a motorola camera, not in a good way. Even with the previous generation moto x, i could take some good shot, but you know, still a little slow to focus, a slow starting camera. I'm coming from a Galaxy S6 edge, and i still have my moto x 2gen and Droid Turbo. I will make some everyday random shots and check the results.

Does anyone know if the X play supports camera2 api? a lot of these points will be moot for us that are more serious photographers if we can shoot .dng files

hypermonkey20 said:
Does anyone know if the X play supports camera2 api? a lot of these points will be moot for us that are more serious photographers if we can shoot .dng files
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I have the Nexus 5 and I use Camera FV-5 app to take RAW pictures. I just got the Moto X Play and when I installed Camera FV-5, it says that the device isn't compatible to take RAW photos. I have read somewhere (possibly on XDA) that it could be a software thing and Motorola just needs to enable it.

Moto Stock Camera vs CM12.1 Camera

I was curious, do we lose photo quality when using cm12.1?
I remember on my LG Optimus L90, the camera quality went sour after leaving stock, photos looked more blah and grainy.
Is that the same case on the Moto G 3rd gen?
I really love the camera on here and would hate to lose its quality aha.
Thanks in advance ?
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You can test it your self, just take some photo's with stock cam and than switch over to cyanogenmod or any other rom
and take the same picturs. than just compare them

There was a port of stock Motorola Camera and Gallery app to CM12 in this forum somewhere and people say it give stock camera quality
EDIT: http://forum.xda-developers.com/2015-moto-g/general/port-motorola-camera-gallery-to-cm12-t3201199

Hi, I simply installed from the play store the Motorola camera on the CM 12.1 and now on the unstable CM13.
I used Open Camera on the moto g 2013, but on the 2015 the Motorola camera has a better feeling. There also a lot of options with the debug button.

I couldn't make out any difference between the stock and CM image quality. Similar results for me. YMMV.

Stock oreo camera on pie please help

Hello to everyone.
I know this isn't the place for my subject.
But I've been looking for a long time.
And the section of applications and problems is almost unseen.
Please excuse the members and supervisors
In fact, after trying out a lot of cooked turkeys,
I couldn't find the original camera quality for Samsung.
In the oreo version 8
Specifically, it's about rear cam selfie.
The original camera gives an impression and effect that I didn't find in the Android pie cameras.
I searched a lot online to find the original Android 8 camera with all its components and effects.
But I couldn't.
I want to get the original camera with its effects on Android 9.
Since I can't stay on Android 8 right now.
And at the same time, I don't want to lose this great camera.
I hope you pay attention.

If you use AOSP Pie, you won't get Samsung stock camera working respectively Samsung stock camera results.
I'm not sure about Pie stock ported versions like FloydQ (it's Q, not Pie, actually), but as they're based on Samsung firmware, there could be a better chance that you'll get your desired results.
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downhere said:
If you use AOSP Pie, you won't get Samsung stock camera working respectively Samsung stock camera results.
I'm not sure about Pie stock ported versions like FloydQ (it's Q, not Pie, actually), but as they're based on Samsung firmware, there could be a better chance that you'll get your desired results.
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I'm already on the TW version
And I tried most of the pie versions
But it's not good as the original Oreo camera.
By the way... Other oreo-based roms aren't the same as the original.
The only rom that has the same camera quality is a super-man rom.
I tried to extract the camera files from him and insert them in other roms with a rom control, but I failed.
I wish I could find what I'm looking for.
To get the same quality as the original Oreo camera on the pie.