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To PenTile or not to Pentile? That's the resolution

I am sick of reading biased news and comments about the Pentile screens,
some say "don't care" and some say "it's crap", with or without evidence.
This "oppinions" war has become more evident after the internets learned about the Nexus's "sinful" PenTile screen
I just found this very interesting and objective article and wanted to share it with all of you:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...D---is-the-PenTile-matrix-bad-for-you_id23134
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Hope you find it useful a I did.

The NOTE screen sure is green.

I don't see such a big deal in real world usage.
But I'm not one of those people with microscopic eyes.

kanariya said:
I don't see such a big deal in real world usage.
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Exactly. It's pretty much placebo. The only difference I've seen over time is in lighting. Used to be you only saw a perfect pic when looking at the screen from exactly one point, any tiny deviation would be hugely noticeable. Now that that's gone, it's all the same. Unless the resolution is really low, like 480x320, then you notice the grid. Beyond that, like I said, it's all the same.

Definitely not placebo. I had issues before knowing exactly what was different with the screen. I tried but could not get over the sense that the screen was crawling even with no interaction. Very disconcerting and after a few minutes use, definite eye fatigue. I could not do my usual news/blog reading on the train every day.
I know folks that have no issues with pentile so it's definitely not a universally bad thing. But it's a troubling trend to me because it significantly limits my options.
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i've had a Samsung S8500 with Super Amoled PenTile screen (800x480), 3.3" then i bought my Desire S with the same nominal resolution on a 3.7" screen non-PenTile...the difference is clear even if the dpi is lower on Desire S, nothing shattering but without PenTile images are sharper

Some people see it and some don't. I noticed the "screen door" effect immediately on the Photon. I've heard that if you turn down the brightness it will lessen the effect but makes it harder to see the screen in sunlight. Most just keep auto brightness on and deal with it.

It's fine, and now with 300+ DPI phones, you cant even tell it's using PenTile
-Nexus S owner

xManMythLegend said:
The NOTE screen sure is green.
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That's because it's a macro shot of a screen made up of 50% green sub-pixels. It will look white to the naked eye.
24kbgold said:
Some people see it and some don't. I noticed the "screen door" effect immediately on the Photon. I've heard that if you turn down the brightness it will lessen the effect but makes it harder to see the screen in sunlight. Most just keep auto brightness on and deal with it.
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Motorola uses RGBW PenTile instead of the AMOLED's RGBG. It's really not the PenTile matrix at fault there - it's their use of it in a way too-large screen, combined with aggressive power-saving that causes off-colors and pattern visibility.
It's actually a bit different to the issues some have with RGBG. RGBG is actually pretty close to RGB stripe, but it relies on the make-up of the human eye. A relatively small number of people have a certain mutation that means their eyes don't exactly work the correct way for RGBG PenTile to be effective.
At the Galaxy Note and Galaxy Nexus' far higher pixel densities, the RGBG PenTile effect shouldn't even be visible to the naked eye any more. How it will affect those people who actually have a legitimate problem viewing it, we won't know until these screens actually reach the end-users.

To be honest I can't tell the difference with screens between my sgs 2 and captivate. Maybe my eyes aren't as good anymore because I regularly do art...

There is no noticeable difference between the two technologies that will be noticeable to the naked eye in normal circumstances. Period.

it really boils down to the user's perception of clarity of the screen.
but as long as it responds quickly that would be enough

sygeek said:
There is no noticeable difference between the two technologies that will be noticeable to the naked eye in normal circumstances. Period.
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What a load of bollocks. There's a huge difference - period.

Toss3 said:
What a load of bollocks. There's a huge difference - period.
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You might as well want to elaborate to back yourself.
It’s actually next to impossible to see the dotiness or graininess of the on-screen image, on PenTile smartphones.

This is why i am excited to see LG's true HD 720p AH-IPS display found on the optimus LTE(s. Korea only). Reports and reviews are coming in that it is the best display on all mobile phone screen technology. Uses less power than super amoled and has crisper and sharper colors than the retina.
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I haven't seen any review about that phone. However, I hope that these words don't come from LG Marketing team, which wrote in their product package manual that less gamut on Nova screen (67%) is better than SuperAMOLED's 107%.
Sent from my Galaxy iPhone

sygeek said:
It’s actually next to impossible to see the dotiness or graininess of the on-screen image, on PenTile smartphones.
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No its not. If your eyesight is still in good condition you can notice the wierd effects like checkerboard, blue/red dots in fonts and jaggy edges. This is coming from using Galaxy S, but with Galaxy Note and Nexus Primes higher pixel densities I doubt theres going to be a big issue.

sygeek said:
You might as well want to elaborate to back yourself.
It’s actually next to impossible to see the dotiness or graininess of the on-screen image, on PenTile smartphones.
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That depends an awful lot on exactly what you're looking at. With text, I have yet to try a pentile where the drawbacks weren't painfully obvious - and for me it does turn into pain in the form of eye strain and a headache if I keep at it.
With pictures it is sometimes obvious depending on subject. Moving pictures I rarely notice it but still develop eye strain after a while.
If you can't see it, you can't. Perhaps akin to color blindness. But to flat out claim it's next to impossible to see when it's actually impossible not to see for some is disingenuous. I'm not sure what kind of elaboration you want to convince you we're not just making stuff up as I can't easily show you what I see.
99% of my phone use is text. No games,rarely movies or pictures. Pentile displays I've tried all fail to be invisible for me so for now, they remove a lot of devices from consideration. I still try them just in case.
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Does the og EVO have pentile idle if it does if it does and the EVO 3d doesn't I want to compare to see otherwise I would Like to look at a lcd non pentile vs a pentile not a lcd vs a amoled. I think that's a unfair judgement or if someone can tell me a phone that has a pentile amoled screen that's new I know the sgsii isn't I'm just curious to compare. This is like can one see the diff between 720p or 1080p. Some people say they look the same and iv had some say they don't see the hype in bluray which I find crazy. So before I throw my thoughts in is like to compare.
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Call me crazy, but I could never let the type of screen determine my cell phone purchase...

[Q] bad screen and camera quality

hi guys,
I'm an android no0b ... soon fix that problem though.
anyway here is my situation and question:
Does the phones with the 'Bad Screen Issue' take the same quality pics as the ones with the Good screen
I love to take pics... my old nokia 3.15mb cellphone take great shot, I simply love cellphone that take great pics... but
I might be getting a used a mytouch4g (rooted still on froyo) [decent enough price (well as decent as living in Jamaica goes) ]
and from the first day that I saw the the phone I commented "oh i thought it would be nicer... the screen looks so bland... washed out"
the owner didnt even realize that it look bland, and said that its just looks that way , it doesnt affect the camera/pic quality.
I played around with it for a few minutes... my first experience with an android device... I AM IN LOVE WITH ANDROID NOW. but I still could not get around how bland the screen showed..
he only had it for a week before and didnt have much experience with android either.. he got it from someone b4 ... and all he knew is that its rooted.
I really like this device, and checked around online and was shocked to find out about the 'BAD SCREEN ISSUE' , and first i say some comments where persons said that they first say it after the rooted their device and a some1 even said that the unrooted their phone and the issue went away..
but that to this forum and youtube and realized that is a real hardware issue literally a 'BAD SCREEN' most like TFT vs a SuperLcd issue. ( right ?)
I still purchase it from him, and i said the the price is pretty sweet...
i know only know two person who own the mytouch/glacier and I asked them to send me a sample of pics that they took with their phone... just to compare camera quality. In fat hey did n't even know about the BAD screen issue (fortunately for them their devices are ok) ...
I took some pics with the one that i would be getting and I must say I am disappointed ... the pic when send to my pc looks just as washed out and bland as on the phone screen. i seriously doubted that the screen would affect the camera quality.. i may be wrong though.
I am not considering not to buy it... just because of the bright/washed out screen... but it not likely that i'm getting another decent Android phone for any where near this price again.
So guys I'm asking
.1) Does the phones with the 'Bad Screen Issue' take the same quality pics as the ones with the Good screen
.2) (if the forum allows it) some of your guys with the 'bad screen" phones upload your pics so i and have a better judgement of the camera quality. Prolly the camers secsors are determined by th e screen output (?)
.3) If u think that think that unrooting/rerooting will help the camera issue ( yeah unlikey )
4) If updated the android build / ginger bread or cm7 or so would improve the camera quality.
thanks in advance.

You have Resolution turned all the way up?
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estallings15 said:
You have Resolution turned all the way up
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thanks for the prompt reply...
sadly I can not answer that question, as:
1) I did not check (dont know how to as yet), I am assuming that it at its default setting
2) the phone is not currently in my possession ( prolly not for the next two days) .
once again thanks

The menu button (second hard button from the left) will bring up settings. Check Resolution. I've noticed that pictures in lower light aren't too great. Remember though, its a phone with a camera. The camera is, at most, second.
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estallings15 said:
The menu button (second hard button from the left) will bring up settings. Check Resolution. I've noticed that pictures in lower light aren't too great. Remember though, its a phone with a camera. The camera is, at most, second.
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hope fully I can get my hands on it tomorrow...
I am hoping that the camera can be adjusted to take quality pics...
sad if my old nokia kicks the teeth out a glacier

The LCD panel and the camera picture quality are not related. The good/bad screens basically refer to the two vendors HTC sourced for the MT4G's LCD, with the good one being the Sony S-LCD and the bad one being manufactured by Sharp. The differences between the screens lie in their contrast, color rendering, and off-axis viewing angles. There are some theories that the differences are not actually caused by the screen, but rather by the digitizer, but unless the digitizer was replaced, the screen and digitizer seem to go hand in hand.
The camera on the MT4G simply isn't that good. Unlike the camera for the Amaze, I've never read of an editable image compression setting for the MT4G's camera, so I'm inclined to believe that one doesn't exist.

Snakecharmed said:
The camera on the MT4G simply isn't that good. Unlike the camera for the Amaze, I've never read of an editable image compression setting for the MT4G's camera, so I'm inclined to believe that one doesn't exist.
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judging from the pics that my friend took with their good screen phones.. am leaning to agree with u... its no carl zwiess lens but , i expected better from a 5mp flagship device
hopefully i can adjust the camera setting to suit my needs (crosses fingers)
what a waste if it doesnt..

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I had two mytouch.
One good.one bad.
I have to say the cm7 camera from tdj's 12/30/11 cm7 Kang took some great pictures.
I tested every camera option available(alot of basketball/baseball games),and for some reason that Kang was the best as far as cameras.
Should it have been different? I do.t know why! Cant explain it!
Those pictures were crisp and clear.
I sure I posted a pic in that thread to check it for sure.right around new years.
Found the picture.posted it above.
On both phones the camera was super bad.
Thats why thr darkside was the best side.
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[email protected] said:
judging from the pics that my friend took with their good screen phones.. am leaning to agree with u... its no carl zwiess lens but , i expected better from a 5mp flagship device
hopefully i can adjust the camera setting to suit my needs (crosses fingers)
what a waste if it doesnt..
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I was not impressed with the quality of the pictures from the MT4G before it died. The outdoor pictures in daylight still had significant compression artifacts, soft focus, and undersaturation. Not natural saturation. Undersaturation. Blacks weren't black. Indoor pictures with incandescent lighting were just dreadful. Honestly, the picture quality was comparable to my Motorola RAZR2 V9x with an extra three megapixels.

Lol.haha.its a phone.its a 5mp camera.
Not bad for what it is.
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Colors from camera are horrible.

The colors are far too over saturated. The resulting photos are not at all accurate. I tried changing white balance, but they problem stayed. Is there some other setting? Is this problem software specific... in other words would a different ROM maybe fix it?

have heard that and may be a little true, i am not a photo buff, so i think they are great

I think the photos are fine. Are you looking at them on a pc?

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one of mine
i shoot them to my flatscreen also over wifi--they look great
sorry for the house, we are repainting--

TramainM said:
Are you looking at them on a pc?
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Yes, could that be the problem? I thought everyone looks at digital photos on PCs. FWIW the color problem persists on various PCs and on the phone itself.

To be honest, I think your photo proves the OP's point. I'm not saying it doesn't look great - it does; however, the colours are way over-saturated, meaning that while it looks nice, it does not look like a real or accurate represenation of the subject.

rugmankc said:
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one of mine
i shoot them to my flatscreen also over wifi--they look great
sorry for the house, we are repainting--
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That is a great picture.
But unless that plant in the foreground is plugged into an outlet, there's no way that color can be accurate. Does it not look outrageously bright green to you?

kuroneko007 said:
To be honest, I think your photo proves the OP's point. I'm not saying it doesn't look great - it does; however, the colours are way over-saturated, meaning that while it looks nice, it does not look like a real or accurate represenation of the subject.
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Exactly. It looks "nice"... but the colors are way too intense.
Has anyone using a non-stock ROM noticed a difference?

Here's an example. The couch in this picture is a rather subdued maroon color. It does not glow like this in real life.

Yup. I just took a pic to confirm and its very noticeable. This is a big issue.

I find that if you into into the image adjustments and lower the saturation by 1, the colors are more accurate and natural. The photos are from my school and i think that just lowering the saturation it looks more natural

Looks like that does it, nice tip mate.

JohnHenrySDM said:
The colors are far too over saturated. The resulting photos are not at all accurate. I tried changing white balance, but they problem stayed. Is there some other setting? Is this problem software specific... in other words would a different ROM maybe fix it?
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Dude,
Get yourself an SLR camera if you're not happy!
It's just a damn phone (i.e. a device you use to make calls), what do you expect?
LOL

Thank you, Corona. It looks like that's a step in the right direction.

ovimunt said:
Dude,
Get yourself an SLR camera if you're not happy!
It's just a damn phone (i.e. a device you use to make calls), what do you expect?
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LOL indeed.
I'm comparing the photos from this to the photos of previous smart phones, like the Nexus One, G2 and several Samsung phones I've owned. All of these took better pictures with more accurate colors. The One S does have some nice features, like HDR and Low Light mode, but if the colors are all wrong, then it doesn't matter.
But it seems this may be lost on you. You're clearly struggling to understand the term 'smart phone'. My suspicion is that you, having little experience with the first half of the term have chosen to ignore it, and this is what has lead you to believe that a smart phone is 'just a damn phone.'

Relax man! Don't get so wound up! It's not the end of the world!
JohnHenrySDM said:
LOL indeed.
I'm comparing the photos from this to the photos of previous smart phones, like the Nexus One, G2 and several Samsung phones I've owned. All of these took better pictures with more accurate colors. The One S does have some nice features, like HDR and Low Light mode, but if the colors are all wrong, then it doesn't matter.
But it seems this may be lost on you. You're clearly struggling to understand the term 'smart phone'. My suspicion is that you, having little experience with the first half of the term have chosen to ignore it, and this is what has lead you to believe that a smart phone is 'just a damn phone.'
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Actually, it's quite the opposite. I am very much aware about the 'smart' bit in 'smartphone' but I just think that no matter how you put it the camera on a 'smartphone' can never be included in the 'smart' bit.
You see, I am actually very much into photography and I do care quite a bit about the photo quality and that is why a phone no matter how 'smart' it is will never cut it for me - the quality is simply not there from the very start. There is no way to get the same quality from the tiny sensor and lens in a 'smart' phone as you would get from an SLR, even one with a 1.6 crop factor, and a proper set of lens.
So basically if you want your photos to look good then don't take them with a phone! While if you just want to point and shoot when you're out with your friends then I don't think the colour accuracy is that much of a big deal - you can always retouch them in Photoshop if you care that much. At the end of the day in a point and shoot situation you probably want to capture the moment and not so much to take an artistic photo.
I may well be wrong since the camera function on my 'smart' phone is one of the things I use the least. In my case, when I want to take good photos I make sure I have my SLR with me - I'd never leave it to the camera on my phone. That is not to say that the phone is not actually very smart indeed, don't get me wrong, it's just that I use all the other functions a hell of a lot more and I think that's what makes it really smart, not the silly camera...

You guys needa go buy nikons if you're worried about ur couch looking too red honestly
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icecicle said:
You guys needa go buy nikons if you're worried about ur couch looking too red honestly
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LOOOL
I totally agree man! That's what I did! Mind you, I'm not a Nikon fan though, I like my Canon 550D a lot more!

You guys are totally missing the point. Photography is also a hobby of mine (I happen to be a Nikon fan) but that does not mean I can't expect that my new phone take pictures at least as good as a phone from FIVE years ago.
If the phone's calculator added one and one and came up with thirty three, would you tell me it's not a problem, and that I shouldn't be using a phone for a calculator?

What happened to this thread--
I will agree if the photos are VERY important, a phone may not be the way to go or take some photos before buying
On the other hand no need to lambast anyone
For this old man--I can only hope if someone takes a pic of me with my phone, it enhances me as well as it does the other photos it takes--

All these roms have the oversharpening O_o

So I have tried out pretty much all the roms available for the D850 at the moment, including the aosp ones, and they all have the oversharpening effect.
So even with a custom kernel on the aosp rom, the sharpening effect is still there. It appears as if the sharpening is baked right into the display itself (I really hope I'm wrong).
Damnit LG, y u do dis?

OMMg no Wey like im not experiencing this issue and that everyone who says this really has a problem with their phones and can't be satisfied with anything. An issue like this doesn't actually exist at all !!! Omgg haha Y u do dis
XDA has a built in market place where you can sell your phone if you're not satisfied with it, it's located above this webpage (Swappa) or
here at http://swappa.com/ .

Misterowl said:
OMMg no Wey like im not experiencing this issue and that everyone who says this really has a problem with their phones and can't be satisfied with anything. An issue like this doesn't actually exist at all !!! Omgg haha Y u do dis
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Haha no.
The over sharpening is a known occurence, noted by many users here on XDA. LG purposely done it to strengthen the 2k experience, but it's clearly backfiring. Simply because you haven't noticed it doesn't negate the problem.
It's not a deal breaker or anything, but I was really hoping a custom ROM and kernel might take care of the problem.

4ndroid99 said:
Haha no.
The over sharpening is a known occurence, noted by many users here on XDA. LG purposely done it to strengthen the 2k experience, but it's clearly backfiring. Simply because you haven't noticed it doesn't negate the problem.
It's not a deal breaker or anything, but I was really hoping a custom ROM and kernel might take care of the problem.
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It's not going to be fixed because it doesn't exist. It would've gone away if it was aosp Rom If it was apparent in a stock Rom. People aren't used to these quad hd screens and it's hilarious. My bottle of conditioner over softens, what will I ever do about. Maybe I just need a cheaper bottle.
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Misterowl said:
It's not going to be fixed because it doesn't exist. It would've gone away if it was aosp Rom If it was apparent in a stock Rom. People aren't used to these quad hd screens and it's hilarious. My bottle of conditioner over softens, what will I ever do about. Maybe I just need a cheaper bottle.
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Lol you condition your hair .... I do my beard as well..... Alright let's not get out of hand here on our beloved XDA .. I sometimes sound like a jerk but everyone is entitled to an opinion whether its non existing or very much visable. Let's be friends here and help each other out. But I dont think the over sharpening thing that people are talking about can be fixed by anything ... The screen is the screen plain and simple ... I may be wrong but I honestly could care less ... I changed my font to roboto and I really don't see anything people are complaining about. My eyes get all jacked up sometimes but its more then likely from actually staring at the screen for long periods of time .. Not over sharpening. Good luck in both of your quests :thumbup:
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I don't see any over sharpening on mine, and I'm on stock.
I think it's also because you may not be used to the 2k screen with such high pixel density, considering it's not a ROM that's causing it to look that way (at least to you)

I notice it easily when I try to use Lux and go below 0% brightness. There are a lot of factors that go into making it easier to see. Certain fonts of certain colors on certain backgrounds. Some people won't be able to see it at all, some can see it but aren't often in the scenario it'll be apparent and others use an app, font or color combination that'll cause them to see it all the time so it'll bother them everyday. I'm assuming OP is the latter scenario. I'm scenario #2. It wasn't enough to upset me but if a fix comes by, I'll definitely apply it.

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I notice it easily when I try to use Lux and go below 0% brightness. There are a lot of factors that go into making it easier to see. Certain fonts of certain colors on certain backgrounds. Some people won't be able to see it at all, some can see it but aren't often in the scenario it'll be apparent and others use an app, font or color combination that'll cause them to see it all the time so it'll bother them everyday. I'm assuming OP is the latter scenario. I'm scenario #2. It wasn't enough to upset me but if a fix comes by, I'll definitely apply it.
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Why would you go below 0%
2SHAYNEZ

shayneflashindaily said:
Why would you go below 0%
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Only through true darkness can we be enlightened later on.
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shayneflashindaily said:
Why would you go below 0%
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When using the phone in pure darkness, below 0 is needed to reach the same level as 0 on some other phones such as the iPhone or the Note 4. Phone Arena was able to measure the nits and this phone puts out a 9 on minimum brightness while the iPhone does 7, S5 does 2 and the Note 4 does 1. My eyes are pretty sensitive to light and I like to have my phone as dim as possible at night.

OMG this is so much like the pixel peeping debate in the DSLR community. Instead of just using the camera, people spend their time looking at images of brick walls and trust patterns at 200% for the sole purpose of finding shortcomings of their lens and camera. Some people here worry that when they view their phone "with certain fonts and backgrounds at below 0% brightness in total darkness" they can see a minor nit. To each his own I guess. I just use the phone.

I agree that the screen sharpening issue is relatively minor as it is only noticeable under certain circumstances. But it clearly is there and it is a flaw that would be nice to fix, so I hope developers continue to play around with the kernel to see if it can be corrected. It's still extremely early in the custom development for the G3. Hopefully with a little time, this can be addressed.

Yeah, I don't know what people are complaining about... Does anyone actually have any visual proof of this "over sharpening" ?
I've yet to experience this.

I wonder if this is a hardware issue. I'm on my second G3 and I have never once experienced this

xamadeix said:
Yeah, I don't know what people are complaining about... Does anyone actually have any visual proof of this "over sharpening" ?
I've yet to experience this.
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Posted on this page...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/help/verizon-lg-g3-screen-sharpening-issue-t2823591/page3

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Interesting. I've yet to experience this. Maybe it's the browser?

Buy a new phone if the phone is too sharp. It is something that cannot be fixed unless you alter the screen dramatically to the point to where its unappealing. What's really funny is that people are asking to have it fixed by LG when its supposedly apparent on AOSP roms as well. Maybe and bare with me on this, its the actual hardware and not a software thing.

Y'all really make it really hard to not have an inflated ego on this site because the grand majority can't use common knowledge and inferring. Your #1 shopping place for Pre-owned cellphones to meet your extremely high qualifications are a click away.

This is not oversharpening, it is some sort of contrast correction. Notice how the blue background has completely dropped to black in the "oversharpened" image. It is understandable why this happens when the brightness is below 0. There is probably a hard coded contrast enhancement that kicks in at this point. I still fail to understand why anyone would want to run the phone in that mode. But as I said, yo money yo problems.

GroovyGeek said:
This is not oversharpening, it is some sort of contrast correction. Notice how the blue background has completely dropped to black in the "oversharpened" image. It is understandable why this happens when the brightness is below 0. There is probably a hard coded contrast enhancement that kicks in at this point. I still fail to understand why anyone would want to run the phone in that mode. But as I said, yo money yo problems.
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This algorithms simply places black and white pixels on edges where two colors meet. Attached is an image i just took of my G3s chrome browser icon. Note the area where yellow and green parts of the icon meet there are white and black lines separating the colors but no white and black lines separating the green/red(some white pixels on this juncture) red/yellow sections. These white/black lines are not present on my old SGS3. Also some white pixels are visible on the border of the circle too where colors meet the black background. These pixels are there on all brightness settings.
Here is a bigger album of the effect: http://imgur.com/a/wqBtT

Build Quality Thread

I created this thread so we can discuss build quality of the essential and any issues/defects with the device. Let's hope Essential at least got QC right after getting so much wrong...

Just got my device. First thing I noticed was it has a little backlight bleeding. It's not horrible but there is a little there
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graffixnyc said:
Just got my device. First thing I noticed was it has a little backlight bleeding. It's not horrible but there is a little there
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Hmm. Any updates download? And the big question; how is shutter lag and low light photos?
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markwebb said:
Hmm. Any updates download? And the big question; how is shutter lag and low light photos?
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Haven't tested it yet. I'm still setting it up, installing my apps and what not.
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Here are some pics showing the light bleed
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I don't have any backlight bleed, but my screen does have quite a few dead pixels. Rest of the device seems really nice.

Goronok said:
I don't have any backlight bleed, but my screen does have quite a few dead pixels. Rest of the device seems really nice.
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Ouch.. Yeah I'd definitely prefer to have a little backlight bleeding that I only see when the screen is black over dead pixels. Are you going to try to get a replacement?
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Goronok said:
I don't have any backlight bleed, but my screen does have quite a few dead pixels. Rest of the device seems really nice.
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thats not good and I have a feeling trying to get a replacement will be a hugeeee pain in the arse

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Ouch.. Yeah I'd definitely prefer to have a little backlight bleeding that I only see when the screen is black over dead pixels. Are you going to try to get a replacement?
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Yeah, going to try and get a replacement. (or return within 15, if thats my only option) As Sloth mentioned - I don't imagine this will be an enjoyable experience.

Light bleed and dead pixels are not acceptable imo. I'll be sending mine back if it has any type of defects.

faded03cobra said:
Light bleed and dead pixels are not acceptable imo. I'll be sending mine back if it has any type of defects.
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It looks like the light bleed isnt that bad though

worldsoutro said:
It looks like the light bleed isnt that bad though
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No, it's really not. I only notice it when the phone boots up. I emailed them to see what they said. In my experience with IPS displays, they have always had bleeding to some extent or another. LG was notorious for backlight bleeding on their older devices at least

The light bleed isn't that bad.
For dead pixels, how may dead pixels do you have? There is a certain number that is still within specifications. Also, are the deal pixels black or bright?

god, i hope dead pixels don't start to become an issue. in this day and age that's really a deal-breaker whether it's within specifications or not.

Light bleed would be a huge issue for me. Not for what i paid for this phone, and knowing the customer service they have. I'll just send it back.
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No, it's really not. I only notice it when the phone boots up. I emailed them to see what they said. In my experience with IPS displays, they have always had bleeding to some extent or another. LG was notorious for backlight bleeding on their older devices at least
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In my experience, I think every IPS display I've had has had varying degrees of light bleed.
Dead pixels will drive me insane.

LastQuark said:
The light bleed isn't that bad.
For dead pixels, how may dead pixels do you have? There is a certain number that is still within specifications. Also, are the deal pixels black or bright?
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I have two completely dead pixels. Top center of the screen. You can see them with the phone completely off, which is odd. (Might be dust under the glass, though doesn't look like that)
I also have 3 stuck / super bright pixels. These are all clustered in the top right.

Build quality as in feel is great
Build quality as in workmanship is horrible.
Backlight bleed here too. Also:
Essential should have specified far better quality work for the titanium on this phone. It looks like Foxcon just used course grit sandpaper to round the edges of the phone and it both looks and feels terrible. It is such an annoyance that even after 2 days of use I still cant get used to it and every time I ahve the phone in my hand I feel like it is a piece of junk. I had originally decided to give it 2 days before I made up my mind about this but now after 2 days I still hate it too much. Ill give it the week but if I still cant get used to it then the phone is going back

You've said that but aren't showing us what you mean, does it look rough or just feel rough in the hand? Is it intentional to add grip or is it uneven and visually bad?
Maybe titanium has a more coarse feeling in the hand than machined aluminum since nothing else has used it before?
As for Dead Pixels, yea I don't care what the standard for acceptance is on that, if the number is =>1 I will send it back. Light bleed I can handle, but even a single pixel is a freaking eyesore on a $700 device. Hell No.
No company is immune from them but I will not accept it from any. Heck I got a $39 tablet from the Windows Store with a 1920x1200 screen and it had a bunch. Got it replaced (I think Just the screen as it looks like its been opened/put together again lol) but the replacement screen is perfect now.

EniGmA1987 said:
Build quality as in feel is great
Build quality as in workmanship is horrible.
Backlight bleed here too. Also:
Essential should have specified far better quality work for the titanium on this phone. It looks like Foxcon just used course grit sandpaper to round the edges of the phone and it both looks and feels terrible. It is such an annoyance that even after 2 days of use I still cant get used to it and every time I ahve the phone in my hand I feel like it is a piece of junk. I had originally decided to give it 2 days before I made up my mind about this but now after 2 days I still hate it too much. Ill give it the week but if I still cant get used to it then the phone is going back
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How did you get 2 days back? everyone is getting just delivered today.