So I have tried out pretty much all the roms available for the D850 at the moment, including the aosp ones, and they all have the oversharpening effect.
So even with a custom kernel on the aosp rom, the sharpening effect is still there. It appears as if the sharpening is baked right into the display itself (I really hope I'm wrong).
Damnit LG, y u do dis?
OMMg no Wey like im not experiencing this issue and that everyone who says this really has a problem with their phones and can't be satisfied with anything. An issue like this doesn't actually exist at all !!! Omgg haha Y u do dis
XDA has a built in market place where you can sell your phone if you're not satisfied with it, it's located above this webpage (Swappa) or
here at http://swappa.com/ .
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OMMg no Wey like im not experiencing this issue and that everyone who says this really has a problem with their phones and can't be satisfied with anything. An issue like this doesn't actually exist at all !!! Omgg haha Y u do dis
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Haha no.
The over sharpening is a known occurence, noted by many users here on XDA. LG purposely done it to strengthen the 2k experience, but it's clearly backfiring. Simply because you haven't noticed it doesn't negate the problem.
It's not a deal breaker or anything, but I was really hoping a custom ROM and kernel might take care of the problem.
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Haha no.
The over sharpening is a known occurence, noted by many users here on XDA. LG purposely done it to strengthen the 2k experience, but it's clearly backfiring. Simply because you haven't noticed it doesn't negate the problem.
It's not a deal breaker or anything, but I was really hoping a custom ROM and kernel might take care of the problem.
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It's not going to be fixed because it doesn't exist. It would've gone away if it was aosp Rom If it was apparent in a stock Rom. People aren't used to these quad hd screens and it's hilarious. My bottle of conditioner over softens, what will I ever do about. Maybe I just need a cheaper bottle.
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It's not going to be fixed because it doesn't exist. It would've gone away if it was aosp Rom If it was apparent in a stock Rom. People aren't used to these quad hd screens and it's hilarious. My bottle of conditioner over softens, what will I ever do about. Maybe I just need a cheaper bottle.
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Lol you condition your hair .... I do my beard as well..... Alright let's not get out of hand here on our beloved XDA .. I sometimes sound like a jerk but everyone is entitled to an opinion whether its non existing or very much visable. Let's be friends here and help each other out. But I dont think the over sharpening thing that people are talking about can be fixed by anything ... The screen is the screen plain and simple ... I may be wrong but I honestly could care less ... I changed my font to roboto and I really don't see anything people are complaining about. My eyes get all jacked up sometimes but its more then likely from actually staring at the screen for long periods of time .. Not over sharpening. Good luck in both of your quests :thumbup:
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I don't see any over sharpening on mine, and I'm on stock.
I think it's also because you may not be used to the 2k screen with such high pixel density, considering it's not a ROM that's causing it to look that way (at least to you)
I notice it easily when I try to use Lux and go below 0% brightness. There are a lot of factors that go into making it easier to see. Certain fonts of certain colors on certain backgrounds. Some people won't be able to see it at all, some can see it but aren't often in the scenario it'll be apparent and others use an app, font or color combination that'll cause them to see it all the time so it'll bother them everyday. I'm assuming OP is the latter scenario. I'm scenario #2. It wasn't enough to upset me but if a fix comes by, I'll definitely apply it.
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I notice it easily when I try to use Lux and go below 0% brightness. There are a lot of factors that go into making it easier to see. Certain fonts of certain colors on certain backgrounds. Some people won't be able to see it at all, some can see it but aren't often in the scenario it'll be apparent and others use an app, font or color combination that'll cause them to see it all the time so it'll bother them everyday. I'm assuming OP is the latter scenario. I'm scenario #2. It wasn't enough to upset me but if a fix comes by, I'll definitely apply it.
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Why would you go below 0%
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Why would you go below 0%
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Only through true darkness can we be enlightened later on.
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Why would you go below 0%
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When using the phone in pure darkness, below 0 is needed to reach the same level as 0 on some other phones such as the iPhone or the Note 4. Phone Arena was able to measure the nits and this phone puts out a 9 on minimum brightness while the iPhone does 7, S5 does 2 and the Note 4 does 1. My eyes are pretty sensitive to light and I like to have my phone as dim as possible at night.
OMG this is so much like the pixel peeping debate in the DSLR community. Instead of just using the camera, people spend their time looking at images of brick walls and trust patterns at 200% for the sole purpose of finding shortcomings of their lens and camera. Some people here worry that when they view their phone "with certain fonts and backgrounds at below 0% brightness in total darkness" they can see a minor nit. To each his own I guess. I just use the phone.
I agree that the screen sharpening issue is relatively minor as it is only noticeable under certain circumstances. But it clearly is there and it is a flaw that would be nice to fix, so I hope developers continue to play around with the kernel to see if it can be corrected. It's still extremely early in the custom development for the G3. Hopefully with a little time, this can be addressed.
Yeah, I don't know what people are complaining about... Does anyone actually have any visual proof of this "over sharpening" ?
I've yet to experience this.
I wonder if this is a hardware issue. I'm on my second G3 and I have never once experienced this
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Yeah, I don't know what people are complaining about... Does anyone actually have any visual proof of this "over sharpening" ?
I've yet to experience this.
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Interesting. I've yet to experience this. Maybe it's the browser?
Buy a new phone if the phone is too sharp. It is something that cannot be fixed unless you alter the screen dramatically to the point to where its unappealing. What's really funny is that people are asking to have it fixed by LG when its supposedly apparent on AOSP roms as well. Maybe and bare with me on this, its the actual hardware and not a software thing.
Y'all really make it really hard to not have an inflated ego on this site because the grand majority can't use common knowledge and inferring. Your #1 shopping place for Pre-owned cellphones to meet your extremely high qualifications are a click away.
This is not oversharpening, it is some sort of contrast correction. Notice how the blue background has completely dropped to black in the "oversharpened" image. It is understandable why this happens when the brightness is below 0. There is probably a hard coded contrast enhancement that kicks in at this point. I still fail to understand why anyone would want to run the phone in that mode. But as I said, yo money yo problems.
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This is not oversharpening, it is some sort of contrast correction. Notice how the blue background has completely dropped to black in the "oversharpened" image. It is understandable why this happens when the brightness is below 0. There is probably a hard coded contrast enhancement that kicks in at this point. I still fail to understand why anyone would want to run the phone in that mode. But as I said, yo money yo problems.
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This algorithms simply places black and white pixels on edges where two colors meet. Attached is an image i just took of my G3s chrome browser icon. Note the area where yellow and green parts of the icon meet there are white and black lines separating the colors but no white and black lines separating the green/red(some white pixels on this juncture) red/yellow sections. These white/black lines are not present on my old SGS3. Also some white pixels are visible on the border of the circle too where colors meet the black background. These pixels are there on all brightness settings.
Here is a bigger album of the effect: http://imgur.com/a/wqBtT
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I am sick of reading biased news and comments about the Pentile screens,
some say "don't care" and some say "it's crap", with or without evidence.
This "oppinions" war has become more evident after the internets learned about the Nexus's "sinful" PenTile screen
I just found this very interesting and objective article and wanted to share it with all of you:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...D---is-the-PenTile-matrix-bad-for-you_id23134
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The NOTE screen sure is green.
I don't see such a big deal in real world usage.
But I'm not one of those people with microscopic eyes.
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I don't see such a big deal in real world usage.
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Exactly. It's pretty much placebo. The only difference I've seen over time is in lighting. Used to be you only saw a perfect pic when looking at the screen from exactly one point, any tiny deviation would be hugely noticeable. Now that that's gone, it's all the same. Unless the resolution is really low, like 480x320, then you notice the grid. Beyond that, like I said, it's all the same.
Definitely not placebo. I had issues before knowing exactly what was different with the screen. I tried but could not get over the sense that the screen was crawling even with no interaction. Very disconcerting and after a few minutes use, definite eye fatigue. I could not do my usual news/blog reading on the train every day.
I know folks that have no issues with pentile so it's definitely not a universally bad thing. But it's a troubling trend to me because it significantly limits my options.
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i've had a Samsung S8500 with Super Amoled PenTile screen (800x480), 3.3" then i bought my Desire S with the same nominal resolution on a 3.7" screen non-PenTile...the difference is clear even if the dpi is lower on Desire S, nothing shattering but without PenTile images are sharper
Some people see it and some don't. I noticed the "screen door" effect immediately on the Photon. I've heard that if you turn down the brightness it will lessen the effect but makes it harder to see the screen in sunlight. Most just keep auto brightness on and deal with it.
It's fine, and now with 300+ DPI phones, you cant even tell it's using PenTile
-Nexus S owner
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The NOTE screen sure is green.
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That's because it's a macro shot of a screen made up of 50% green sub-pixels. It will look white to the naked eye.
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Some people see it and some don't. I noticed the "screen door" effect immediately on the Photon. I've heard that if you turn down the brightness it will lessen the effect but makes it harder to see the screen in sunlight. Most just keep auto brightness on and deal with it.
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Motorola uses RGBW PenTile instead of the AMOLED's RGBG. It's really not the PenTile matrix at fault there - it's their use of it in a way too-large screen, combined with aggressive power-saving that causes off-colors and pattern visibility.
It's actually a bit different to the issues some have with RGBG. RGBG is actually pretty close to RGB stripe, but it relies on the make-up of the human eye. A relatively small number of people have a certain mutation that means their eyes don't exactly work the correct way for RGBG PenTile to be effective.
At the Galaxy Note and Galaxy Nexus' far higher pixel densities, the RGBG PenTile effect shouldn't even be visible to the naked eye any more. How it will affect those people who actually have a legitimate problem viewing it, we won't know until these screens actually reach the end-users.
To be honest I can't tell the difference with screens between my sgs 2 and captivate. Maybe my eyes aren't as good anymore because I regularly do art...
There is no noticeable difference between the two technologies that will be noticeable to the naked eye in normal circumstances. Period.
it really boils down to the user's perception of clarity of the screen.
but as long as it responds quickly that would be enough
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There is no noticeable difference between the two technologies that will be noticeable to the naked eye in normal circumstances. Period.
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What a load of bollocks. There's a huge difference - period.
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What a load of bollocks. There's a huge difference - period.
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You might as well want to elaborate to back yourself.
It’s actually next to impossible to see the dotiness or graininess of the on-screen image, on PenTile smartphones.
This is why i am excited to see LG's true HD 720p AH-IPS display found on the optimus LTE(s. Korea only). Reports and reviews are coming in that it is the best display on all mobile phone screen technology. Uses less power than super amoled and has crisper and sharper colors than the retina.
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I haven't seen any review about that phone. However, I hope that these words don't come from LG Marketing team, which wrote in their product package manual that less gamut on Nova screen (67%) is better than SuperAMOLED's 107%.
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It’s actually next to impossible to see the dotiness or graininess of the on-screen image, on PenTile smartphones.
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No its not. If your eyesight is still in good condition you can notice the wierd effects like checkerboard, blue/red dots in fonts and jaggy edges. This is coming from using Galaxy S, but with Galaxy Note and Nexus Primes higher pixel densities I doubt theres going to be a big issue.
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You might as well want to elaborate to back yourself.
It’s actually next to impossible to see the dotiness or graininess of the on-screen image, on PenTile smartphones.
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That depends an awful lot on exactly what you're looking at. With text, I have yet to try a pentile where the drawbacks weren't painfully obvious - and for me it does turn into pain in the form of eye strain and a headache if I keep at it.
With pictures it is sometimes obvious depending on subject. Moving pictures I rarely notice it but still develop eye strain after a while.
If you can't see it, you can't. Perhaps akin to color blindness. But to flat out claim it's next to impossible to see when it's actually impossible not to see for some is disingenuous. I'm not sure what kind of elaboration you want to convince you we're not just making stuff up as I can't easily show you what I see.
99% of my phone use is text. No games,rarely movies or pictures. Pentile displays I've tried all fail to be invisible for me so for now, they remove a lot of devices from consideration. I still try them just in case.
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Does the og EVO have pentile idle if it does if it does and the EVO 3d doesn't I want to compare to see otherwise I would Like to look at a lcd non pentile vs a pentile not a lcd vs a amoled. I think that's a unfair judgement or if someone can tell me a phone that has a pentile amoled screen that's new I know the sgsii isn't I'm just curious to compare. This is like can one see the diff between 720p or 1080p. Some people say they look the same and iv had some say they don't see the hype in bluray which I find crazy. So before I throw my thoughts in is like to compare.
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Call me crazy, but I could never let the type of screen determine my cell phone purchase...
The colors are far too over saturated. The resulting photos are not at all accurate. I tried changing white balance, but they problem stayed. Is there some other setting? Is this problem software specific... in other words would a different ROM maybe fix it?
have heard that and may be a little true, i am not a photo buff, so i think they are great
I think the photos are fine. Are you looking at them on a pc?
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one of mine
i shoot them to my flatscreen also over wifi--they look great
sorry for the house, we are repainting--
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Are you looking at them on a pc?
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Yes, could that be the problem? I thought everyone looks at digital photos on PCs. FWIW the color problem persists on various PCs and on the phone itself.
To be honest, I think your photo proves the OP's point. I'm not saying it doesn't look great - it does; however, the colours are way over-saturated, meaning that while it looks nice, it does not look like a real or accurate represenation of the subject.
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one of mine
i shoot them to my flatscreen also over wifi--they look great
sorry for the house, we are repainting--
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That is a great picture.
But unless that plant in the foreground is plugged into an outlet, there's no way that color can be accurate. Does it not look outrageously bright green to you?
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To be honest, I think your photo proves the OP's point. I'm not saying it doesn't look great - it does; however, the colours are way over-saturated, meaning that while it looks nice, it does not look like a real or accurate represenation of the subject.
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Exactly. It looks "nice"... but the colors are way too intense.
Has anyone using a non-stock ROM noticed a difference?
Here's an example. The couch in this picture is a rather subdued maroon color. It does not glow like this in real life.
Yup. I just took a pic to confirm and its very noticeable. This is a big issue.
I find that if you into into the image adjustments and lower the saturation by 1, the colors are more accurate and natural. The photos are from my school and i think that just lowering the saturation it looks more natural
Looks like that does it, nice tip mate.
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The colors are far too over saturated. The resulting photos are not at all accurate. I tried changing white balance, but they problem stayed. Is there some other setting? Is this problem software specific... in other words would a different ROM maybe fix it?
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Dude,
Get yourself an SLR camera if you're not happy!
It's just a damn phone (i.e. a device you use to make calls), what do you expect?
LOL
Thank you, Corona. It looks like that's a step in the right direction.
ovimunt said:
Dude,
Get yourself an SLR camera if you're not happy!
It's just a damn phone (i.e. a device you use to make calls), what do you expect?
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LOL indeed.
I'm comparing the photos from this to the photos of previous smart phones, like the Nexus One, G2 and several Samsung phones I've owned. All of these took better pictures with more accurate colors. The One S does have some nice features, like HDR and Low Light mode, but if the colors are all wrong, then it doesn't matter.
But it seems this may be lost on you. You're clearly struggling to understand the term 'smart phone'. My suspicion is that you, having little experience with the first half of the term have chosen to ignore it, and this is what has lead you to believe that a smart phone is 'just a damn phone.'
Relax man! Don't get so wound up! It's not the end of the world!
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LOL indeed.
I'm comparing the photos from this to the photos of previous smart phones, like the Nexus One, G2 and several Samsung phones I've owned. All of these took better pictures with more accurate colors. The One S does have some nice features, like HDR and Low Light mode, but if the colors are all wrong, then it doesn't matter.
But it seems this may be lost on you. You're clearly struggling to understand the term 'smart phone'. My suspicion is that you, having little experience with the first half of the term have chosen to ignore it, and this is what has lead you to believe that a smart phone is 'just a damn phone.'
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Actually, it's quite the opposite. I am very much aware about the 'smart' bit in 'smartphone' but I just think that no matter how you put it the camera on a 'smartphone' can never be included in the 'smart' bit.
You see, I am actually very much into photography and I do care quite a bit about the photo quality and that is why a phone no matter how 'smart' it is will never cut it for me - the quality is simply not there from the very start. There is no way to get the same quality from the tiny sensor and lens in a 'smart' phone as you would get from an SLR, even one with a 1.6 crop factor, and a proper set of lens.
So basically if you want your photos to look good then don't take them with a phone! While if you just want to point and shoot when you're out with your friends then I don't think the colour accuracy is that much of a big deal - you can always retouch them in Photoshop if you care that much. At the end of the day in a point and shoot situation you probably want to capture the moment and not so much to take an artistic photo.
I may well be wrong since the camera function on my 'smart' phone is one of the things I use the least. In my case, when I want to take good photos I make sure I have my SLR with me - I'd never leave it to the camera on my phone. That is not to say that the phone is not actually very smart indeed, don't get me wrong, it's just that I use all the other functions a hell of a lot more and I think that's what makes it really smart, not the silly camera...
You guys needa go buy nikons if you're worried about ur couch looking too red honestly
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You guys needa go buy nikons if you're worried about ur couch looking too red honestly
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LOOOL
I totally agree man! That's what I did! Mind you, I'm not a Nikon fan though, I like my Canon 550D a lot more!
You guys are totally missing the point. Photography is also a hobby of mine (I happen to be a Nikon fan) but that does not mean I can't expect that my new phone take pictures at least as good as a phone from FIVE years ago.
If the phone's calculator added one and one and came up with thirty three, would you tell me it's not a problem, and that I shouldn't be using a phone for a calculator?
What happened to this thread--
I will agree if the photos are VERY important, a phone may not be the way to go or take some photos before buying
On the other hand no need to lambast anyone
For this old man--I can only hope if someone takes a pic of me with my phone, it enhances me as well as it does the other photos it takes--
Can all of you people with "perfect" displays and viewing angles post picture of your device at an angle if you were look at it from a table and other angles.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE FRONT and say "oh well I look it from the front all the time." I view my device on the table 1/4 time. So this is an issue. Don't get me wrong I love this device.
MINE IS BAD. I know there are threads similar like this but you people NEVER back up your claim of it being perfect and saying "I don't have that issue."
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WELL PLEASE POST PICTURES OF A LOT OF ANGLES! PLEASE AS PROOF!
I'm trying to investigate this issue because I'm reading the display on this device is the BEST DISPLAY EVER. I don't believe this is true at all. MKBHD has this issue too. I add this device for a week and I know I have only 15 days before it's too late to get a new one and not a "refurbished" one.
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If you perceive it as an issue you might want to go with the next badass $350 off contract device available... This is something that is mentioned in almost EVERY review video I've seen, but I don't read my screen from an angle and don't see it as an "issue".
good day.
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If you perceive it as an issue you might want to go with the next badass $350 off contract device available... This is something that is mentioned in almost EVERY review video I've seen, but I don't read my screen from an angle and don't see it as an "issue".
good day.
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I've only seen two videos point this out and I hoped it would be a defect. All the others out said this display is "perfect" and so on etc.
I want to see the pictures from the people who claim the "perfect" display and says "I dont have that when I look at mine from an angle."
Cuz I've seen plenty who claims that in just one thread involving this issue. Yeah it's a low priced device, but we all know Google doesn't really make money off this device at all, it's the services your using and the ads you see when your using it that pays them back.
I just want to see the pictures of those who claims their device is perfect.
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Reviewers may test extreme viewing angles for comparison but generally evaluate the quality when viewing the display head-on in the manner most people view the device while it's held in normal use. Mind's perfect, but I could not very well use it if held at a 90° angle.
My viewing angles are nothing like that. I have no trouble seeing my screen from those angles.I know you are looking for pictures but unfortunately m n5 is my only camera right now. If i can get some pics I'll post them.
Mine ain't perfect but they seem much better than yours. At least with my eyes, maybe your camera make the things worst ?
I don't have any camera either, but seriously I can see the tiles much better than you, even with extreme angles.
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what device did you come from?
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what device did you come from?
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Galaxy Nexus. Yah i know blah blah blah blah saturated. I deal with a HTC ONE too. I actually ENJOY the display on the ONE more then my Galaxy Nexus. THAT display is GORGEOUS! I wish I could just tear it off and use the ONE's display instead lol. Or at least get the viewing angle it gets.
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Heh, I wanna say galaxy nexus. Which I also came from as well. Galaxy nexus amoled panel blows chunks next to the n5.
On topic: Since you forced me to sorta care, I got to lookin at the angles. When I got directly up/down/left/right it performs as well as an ips display should with solid color at extreme angles. But on the diagonals of the extremes i.e. (Right/down) I noticed that's when the back light washout would be visible. I suspect it has something to do with any type of polarization that has been applied to the glass.
good day.
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agreed.
Have you ever noticed how every review tests viewing angles from a straight angle? That's the standard and probably for good reason.
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Mine wishes out when I look at it diagonally and off-axis. There's only minimal washing out from the top, bottom, and sides, unlike what you're seeing. I'll try to track down a another camera and take a couple photos to show you.
EDIT: Here you go. As you can see, there's some washing out at extreme angles (mostly from the diagonal), but it's nowhere near as bad as you're experiencing.
chopper the dog said:
Heh, I wanna say galaxy nexus. Which I also came from as well. Galaxy nexus amoled panel blows chunks next to the n5.
On topic: Since you forced me to sorta care, I got to lookin at the angles. When I got directly up/down/left/right it performs as well as an ips display should with solid color at extreme angles. But on the diagonals of the extremes i.e. (Right/down) I noticed that's when the back light washout would be visible. I suspect it has something to do with any type of polarization that has been applied to the glass.
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Which is why it's bad for viewing on tables like I said. Because your viewing it from diagonal perspective a bit. Left and right and up and down are Barrable. It's not TOOO bad. Of the diagonals were the same I'd be OK with this.
I wanna know if this is a Screen lottery (every device has this but some worst then others), which is why I requested pictures from the "perfect" people. If I see that they are having even a significantly better display compared to mine(I know IPS displays get washed out at angles but mine is HORRIBLE), then I wanna call Google and get a new one and compare those too.
I've yet to be able to compare my Nexus 5 to another. Probably tomorrow I'll go into a T-Mobile or Sprint retailer and compare (hopefully it isn't bright in the room because it's harder to tell the difference).
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Maxpower7 thanks! I appreciate those pictures. Is that maxed out brightness on a stock kernel with stock colors? That's what I'm using ATM(For personal reasons hopefully I can announce it when it's done.)
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Maxpower7 thanks! I appreciate those pictures. Is that maxed out brightness on a stock kernel with stock colors? That's what I'm using ATM(For personal reasons hopefully I can announce it when it's done.)
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Stock kernel, no color adjustments. I've never used max brightness on any device. I'm at roughly 1/3 brightness and it's still plenty bright for me. I can try another one at max brightness if you want, but I don't keep it that high personally because it's too bright for my eyes and it also kills the battery.
EDIT: here's max brightness.
No Maxy it's fine thanks. I just wanted to know for sure.
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Yeah they're bad. So was the nexus 4 and g2. It's the type of polarizer that LG uses.
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aooga said:
Yeah they're bad. So was the nexus 4 and g2. It's the type of polarizer that LG uses.
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Someone at LG needs to be FIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDA.
Can this "issue" be fixed? Can the angles be improved? I remember reading the Nexus⁴ got some AOSPA Love and it got "fixed" not sure if it was color wise or angle wise or both since I don't own one.
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Mine gets quite washed out an angle, but I can still read everything on the screen just fine so it really doesn't bother me. It's a little annoying and unfortunate just to know it's like this (especially since my N7 2013's IPS screen is absolutely perfect even at the most extreme angles), but it really has no effect on my usage of the device.
Seems extreme to wish for someone to lose their job over this. If this is affecting you enough to feel that strongly about it, perhaps a different device would serve you better.
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Someone at LG needs to be FIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDA.
Can this "issue" be fixed? Can the angles be improved? I remember reading the Nexus⁴ got some AOSPA Love and it got "fixed" not sure if it was color wise or angle wise or both since I don't own one.
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My point in posting those photos was to show that it's really not that bad at all, and it actually looks worse in the photos that it does in person. To suggest that someone should lose their livelihood over this non-issue is utterly ridiculous because this screen on this phone is pretty awesome. And I'm picky about displays.
I've seen a few threads discussing this issue and even xperiablog picked it up today.
But in the end, I think what's most important is how general users see and feel about it.
So I'd like to hear your voice.
Note: No need to prove anything. You can be completely subjective
Added: XZs has the same camera and the same issue, so XZs users are also welcome to participate. as well!
yyiimm said:
I've seen a few threads discussing this issue and even xperiablog picked it up today.
But in the end, I think what's most important is how general users see and feel about it.
So I'd like to hear your voice.
Note: No need to prove anything. You can be completely subjective
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I personally haven't noticed it in any of the pictures I've taken so far, but I don't take a ton of pictures either. I have noticed that if you don't give it ample time to focus the pictures turn out terrible. The focus isn't as fast as advertised in my experience.
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Hi!
I call this one a scene from Inception
The middle building is falling same with those on the left
Take a look at this post:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2017/06/2...d&utm_campaign=Feed:+XperiaBlog+(Xperia+Blog)
There are some interesting explainations about this.
Haven't seen any distortion whatsoever. I tried taking shots of grids to reproduce. Do you have to be a certain distance? I'm very happy with the camera so far.
Does anyone know a way to minimize distortion?
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I recently became the proud owner of an Xperia XZ Premium. I spent this morning trying to fix distorted images of a lighthouse with what should have been a straight horizon. Then I read this article.
I contacted Sony and told them about the problem, and they gave me a fix. I've been told in the settings, under Superior auto, scroll down to the More options. On Auto-capturing select Smile Shutter. (Actually, they asked me to reduce the resolution to 17Mp 16:9 before setting to Smile Shutter - then I could change back to 19Mp 4:3 - not sure this is necessary.)
I'm very sceptical, but over the next couple of days I shall try and get back to the coast for a decent horizon with which to test it.
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Take a look at this post:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2017/06/2...d&utm_campaign=Feed:+XperiaBlog+(Xperia+Blog)
There are some interesting explainations about this.
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hardware issue for sure ,sony should at least fix as much as possible like Samsung
Forwarding:
samsung start selling their S7&S7e model in March last year, some users feedback camera with distortion issue to the samsung official forum, which is the pincushion distortion just like XZP ,but not bad as XZP level. And samsung developer wrote quick reply which said they will study to fix the problem ,After three weeks the S7&S7E received a new FW upgrade which come with a new camera options SHAPE CORRECTION. Yes,when you focusing still can see the distortion on screen,but saved photo has been corrected close to perfect.
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Original link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xz-premium/help/xzp-camera-distortion-photos-t3622842
Found this issue few days ago when four guys joint photo every one have distortion head and shortened body. Swap back iphone ,much better.
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Found this issue few days ago when four guys joint photo every one have distortion head and shortened body. Swap back iphone ,much better.
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Yeah, I've seen a few photos with person. The distortion is sometimes obvious with even no-liner object.
I do have this issue....
SONY needs to fix it.
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Lol. This is really bad....
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yyiimm said:
Does anyone know a way to minimize distortion?
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Found this issue few days ago when four guys joint photo every one have distortion head and shortened body. Swap back iphone ,much better.
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You mean like my one
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I swear I tried various angles,the best effect I can get.Actualy the middle ladies and holding kid has lengthened head too.You will not feel easily because you are not familiar with.Try shoot a picture similar this one and move head up a little bit,OMG!!!
I got confus, someone said sony looking into it and fix it ,some one said sony will not, which one is it?
If it is not I will get refund, go for a S8 ,I tried it really great quality without distortion.
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You mean like my one
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I swear I tried various angles,the best effect I can get.Actualy the middle ladies and holding kid has lengthened head too.You will not feel easily because you are not familiar with.Try shoot a picture similar this one and move head up a little bit,OMG!!!
I got confus, someone said sony looking into it and fix it ,some one said sony will not, which one is it?
If it is not I will get refund, go for a S8 ,I tried it really great quality without distortion.
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Omg, this is far beyond acceptable level of distortion....
Very unacceptable
They definitely CAN fix this with software and hopefully they will, although I wouldn't get my hopes up as the XZs has the same problem and it still isn't fixed.
phoneArena picked up the issue as well.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/User...emium-camera-distortion-Sony-responds_id95285
Hope other sites follow so that SONY reconsider their response.
I have taken lots of photos, I can reproduce it when trying, like taking a close up photo of my black framed posters, they look bent. But normal everyday photos I was taking look great to me, one I took I thought would be a good example, the flags are pretty straight as they were in real life (they are in the ground at a sort of "U" not lined up straight in real life also as seen in the photo), while other people photos they would of been tilted. Another phtos shows the trees and stuff in the background look as they were in real life also, everything seems normal. I know It is unacceptable from what others are experiencing and I'm pretty sure Sony will get some sort of fix out for people, but it seems others are more affected than other people. I really cant complain about the photos I got out of it so far.
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I have taken lots of photos, I can reproduce it when trying, like taking a close up photo of my black framed posters, they look bent. But normal everyday photos I was taking look great to me, one I took I thought would be a good example, the flags are pretty straight as they were in real life (they are in the ground at a sort of "U" not lined up straight in real life also as seen in the photo), while other people photos they would of been tilted. Another phtos shows the trees and stuff in the background look as they were in real life also, everything seems normal. I know It is unacceptable from what others are experiencing and I'm pretty sure Sony will get some sort of fix out for people, but it seems others are more affected than other people. I really cant complain about the photos I got out of it so far.
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see this you will know
see this sony official dancing woman's photos (above photo)from XZP you can find in your phone,The distortion has been already there very serious, just that wall have bad workmanship make you think it is.Do a anti color you will see the serious distortion just absolutely same as XZP distortion map below .( borrowed from other user analysi post)
look at the merger photo here you will see the coincide curve line.You know what is the most coincidence part that this little woman's head and body just inside the blue box area where have less distortion.XZP review online they all took photo from long distant landscape,no close-range or people so we can see the issue very coincidental .S PHONE and IPHONE review usually have close range shoot and close portrait.
See this official photos.Whether use any angle to shoot these light bulbs should be regular spherical,rgiht ?! But the one closest to the yellow safe area has been distort absolutely serious already.I'm not saying that wide angle don't have distortion, But this level ..........!This is definitely not a photographer and perspective problem.Also the "curve line" certainly affected distortion.
Now the light bulb photo and map explained why my photo will be seriously deformed ,and also explained that no matter what angle and composition I try I can't get one normal photo .Explained that why I use a 4:3 scale will have even more elongate head,also more and more in single person photo like below. (borrow from other user) Exactly same issue like my traveler's photos,which they Complained about.
This is not an ordinary perspective and wide-angle problem or what ever industry standards is.More like a failed lens design ,what is the point to use the lens like that ? Mobile phone camera should be to allow users to take pictures more easily than professional camera.Most users will not use the phone to shoot master style landscape photos. Most of them are normal shooting for ordinary live photo.If this phone designed for some landscape and flowers which are random shape please put it in the ad and packaging.Also even the landscape you can see the distortion easily than other phone.
My old note5 and the new S8 I tried ,Safe area it is roughly in green box see above photo.
I see the user here said that if cut some pixels may be able to get less distortion.If so, I would agree and accept too.And also like Samsung make a late correct option on software would be grateful.
Can you post the link to the original SONY photo? Just wanna make sure if it's from XZP
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Can you post the link to the original SONY photo? Just wanna make sure if it's from XZP
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It's come from the XZP mobile built-in memory,only find light bulbs one reight ,here on sony Sony official website.
https://www.sonymobile.com/us/products/phones/xperia-xz-premium/
Before I bought it see some where they post all the sample before,trying to find the link.
Hello fellow XDA people.
I recently acquired a second Honor 9 unit which is the Midnight Black. My first one is a Blue. There seem to be a few hardware differences between these two units. First of all is the screen and I seriously doubt they are made by the same manufacturer because of their obvious differences. The main difference is the viewing angles that differs hugely. My blue unit has really amazing viewing angles for being an LCD while the black unit loses a lot of its brightness very quickly and looks way more dull from an angle. Also the white balance differ a lot between the two the blue one has a more blur/green shift to it while the black untit has a much more warm and "fuller" white balance to it. It's impossible to calibrate them to look the same they are just different. The blue units screen look somewhat duller in comparison even though it wins easily in viewing angles. The black unit has more contrast and just generally looks more "lifelike" and warmer. It's also the most even screen I have ever seen in terms of uniformity (not that the blue one is bad). The glas front also has a different "texture" across the screen. On the blue I can really only see the digitizer marks but on the black I have this other small faint "sparkling dots" effect that some screen protectors can give at times. Nothing serious but it's there and the glas on the blue unit looks a little clearer.
The second difference is the fingerprint reader. It's waay faster on the blue unit while it's much much slower on the black one when I compare. One the blue it's instant I can't even make it fault even if I try to tap very fast. The one on the black unit has this delay and it's clearly not as fast to read my finger. The black unit also has a small delay when pressing it to go back to the homescreen while it does it instantly on the blue one which makes it feels faster in operation.
Both has touch screen issues and both run B130 firmware. The black one unfortunately shipped with B130. However there are differences here too the black one has more severe touch problems than the blue. The touch is seriously borked on the black one with both delays and lags and it's harder to use because of this. To the border of unusable really. Something must be seriously wrong with the software that makes the touch go bonkers I doubt I have hardware fault with both of them that makes them behave a little differently. Guessing this is mainly why updates have been pulled by Huawei.
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Return the black one and ask for a replacement immediately
For sure this is a prove that they use different factorys for screens but this is not a news because many brands to this ( xiaomi is the first I could mention ), to me this is a case of bad or not perfect gluing of digitizer on the black one. Was a different font used between the two too or?
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Return the black one and ask for a replacement immediately
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In fact I prefer the display on the black one it looks much better so I don't want to get rid of it specially not when I have gotten such a perfect screen regarding uniformity I never get very lucky with this historically. I will wait for software update and see if it fixes things in the end they both have the same problem that I haven't seen on any of the 4 units I have tested in store with B100.
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For sure this is a prove that they use different factorys for screens but this is not a news because many brands to this ( xiaomi is the first I could mention ), to me this is a case of bad or not perfect gluing of digitizer on the black one. Was a different font used between the two too or?
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It feels like it's software issue how the touch behaves really and not hardware. Both has same problem with delay when I scroll but it differs some between the two in feeling. Will wait for software update.
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I'm running on B130 and don't have any lags
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It's not really lag. It's some thing were it takes the screen a few millimeters of swiping before content starts moving. Taps and such are instant while typing on keyoard so the digitizer doesn't lag in itself. We are many with this problem and for most the issue apperared after updating to B130 while it was fine on B100.
dannejanne said:
It's not really lag. It's some thing were it takes the screen a few millimeters of swiping before content starts moving. Taps and such are instant while typing on keyoard so the digitizer doesn't lag in itself. We are many with this problem and for most the issue apperared after updating to B130 while it was fine on B100.
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B130 got pulled apparently
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B130 got pulled apparently
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As well as B120. They must have problems with the updates and their reasons for pulling them.
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As well as B120. They must have problems with the updates and their reasons for pulling them.
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Yes, as lots of users were complaining about it.
What makes me wonder is, why they didn't provide a rollback package to b100?!
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Yes, as lots of users were complaining about it.
What makes me wonder is, why they didn't provide a rollback package to b100?!
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Good question I would really like one.
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Good question I would really like one.
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Unfortunately, it looks honor didn't think about users who updated to b120 or b130
How to delete a XDA post?... I read something wrong here and my post got really off topic due to my mistake - I'm sorry ?
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How to delete a XDA post?... I read something wrong here and my post got really off topic due to my mistake - I'm sorry ?
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I definitely have a little better battery life on the black one. It just seems more energy efficient. Perhaps the screen is more power efficient than the other variant I don't know. But something it is as I feel it has about 10-20% better battery life than the blue unit.
Also, today out of nowhere the delay went away when pressing the fingerprint reader to go back to the homescreen. It's just instant on the black unit now too. Didn't change a thing which seems weird. Oh well I don't complain.
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So which one is better in your opinion
-screen
-battery
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-Screen: definitely the black unit. It has way better contrast and much better whites. The screen just "pops" more on the black. The screen on the blue looks a bit dull in comparison. However the viewing angles on the blue are much much better. Don't really care though because it's me who's gonna use the unit and not someone beside me.
-Battery: the black one seems to have some kind of advantage. The same usage that gives me 5 hour SOT on the blue gives me around 6 hours on the black. I'm guessing the display is a little more power efficient perhaps.
-Fingerprint reader: the one on the blue is much faster to read my fingers. It definitely wins this one.
Besides those points I have not really noticed anything more that seems to differ.