Why do Google refuse to implement swipe gestures? - Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

On these 5inch screens, WE NEED to have swipe down anywhere on homescreen for notification bar gesture, like Nova. Or swipe up for settings. Why wouldn't they have done this yet, there must be a reason.If there is a genuine one, fine!

prawnguevara said:
On these 5inch screens, WE NEED to have swipe down anywhere on homescreen for notification bar gesture, like Nova. Or swipe up for settings. Why wouldn't they have done this yet, there must be a reason.If there is a genuine one, fine!
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Probably because of the patent wars and the never-ending patent lawsuits.
Example from Aug. this year:
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The jury found that various Samsung products violated Apple patents covering things like the “bounce back” effect when a user scrolls to the end of a list on the iPhone and iPad, and a way to distinguish between one-finger scrolling from two-finger gestures like the pinch-to-zoom that magnifies an image. Samsung was also found to have infringed Apple patents covering the physical design of the iPhone.
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And last month:
Apple retains multitouch patent thanks to Patent Office ruling, forces competition to seek alternatives
Sorry, anonymous Apple multitouch patent challenger -- your victory isn't only temporary, it's also short-lived. The US Patent Office has decided to uphold patent No. 7,479,949 after tentatively invalidating it in December of 2012, which could mean bad news for many of Cupertino's competitors. If those numbers sound vaguely familiar, that's because they're known to most people as the controversial multitouch patent (that covers the downward-swipe gesture as seen in the video after the break) that Apple used against Palm, HTC and Samsung in court. In fact, it was one of the two patents that led to the import ban of some Samsung devices in the US. Needless to say, it now remains a powerful weapon for lawsuits in Apple's arsenal, and rivals best find a way to work around it on their designs.
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That's very interesting, thanks. But then how do nova manage it?
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prawnguevara said:
That's very interesting, thanks. But then how do nova manage it?
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Because mega patent trolls go where the REAL money is, not some app dev
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Seriously, now that Google has their own launcher, they need to make it more functional. The way it is right now is so basic. I'm tempted to go Hololauncher which I use on my S4 but I'm giving myself a chance to try out the so-called "pure Android" experience.

I don't want to switch back to Nova because it's missing some of the newer features and is an extra ram pig. But surely you can't patent swipe down for notifications?
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The thing is android phones have been using swipe down for notifications for a millennia now.. IOS brought it in around ios4 I believe.. Then slapped a patent on it straight away. I hate apple purely for their business ethics. Trying to bury every other company that is a threat to them. Google and android is and always has been a friendly company allowing their designs and innovations to be used by all.
For example a polish company that gives out free fruit and veg to the poor and needy across Poland were sued and put out of business by apple purely because they're website was ap.pl and had a similar logo. This is a charity that has nothing to do with the mobile phone market!!
Apple suck.. Charge ridiculous amounts for their products.. Bring nothing new and innovative with their products.. Are as boring as their founder and are being outsold by Samsung alone never mind the rest of the android phones out there..
Big bunch of childish babies
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What if apple wins

http://www.todaysiphone.com/2011/05...t-court-orders-samsung-to-hand-over-products/
Probably will make Samsung have to stop using similar designs (to a certain degree) and ford over quite a bit of money to apple.
My device becomes a valuable collectors item!!!!!!
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If Apple makes a curved-glass iPhone (just like Galaxy S) as is currently rumored, they are hypocrites of the highest order.
we went through this in the captivate section. apple is just trying to project an image as an orrigonator andt take credit from those that they have coppied. it has little to do with winning or losing a lawsuit. the galaxy s resembles samsung phones that predate the iphone more than it resembles the iphone., if anything they will have to change the launcher layout a little. the funny thing is that lg and sony have copied many of the features of tw. and lg took it to the point that they also look pretty much like an iphone, but looks almost exactly like a sgs. look at the opimus black. if that doesnt say sgs i dont know what does. apple is only mad because on the international market the sgs is as successful as the iphone.
when it comes to looks apple has never had a style of there own instead they copy the look of an obscure product line from the 1960's and hope nobody notices.
http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future
and as far as the iphone form factor goes
http://techexa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Apple-vs-Samsung.jpg
so all apple has to stnd on is that the app drawer functions similar to apples home screen. but those arent even the same thing. it is not like the whole user experience is the same. just the scrolling directions and ability to reorganise icons.
there si more to it than that as well samsung is counter suing for infringment on something like 20+ patents in mobile technology. what people dont realize is that samsung is the largest patent holder in mobile technology and is a much larger company than apple, also apple purchases many parts from samsung, the iphone 4 and ipad use basically hummingbird processors with a lesser gpu. they may be using new suppliers now but im sure it cant help them to have messed up that business deal.
New interface at the most...
I like how Samsung has to show apple upcoming phones like the infuse I already own!
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Funny, Samsung supply's chips for Apple products. Apple shot themselves in the foot one to many times.
pixelkore said:
Funny, Samsung supply's chips for Apple products. Apple shot themselves in the foot one to many times.
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I would LOVE for Samsung to drop them as a customer.
There are other companies that can produce the parts, but Samsung is actually big enough to keep up with the orders.
Anyways, they make the most money from Sony, so Sony is more precious to them then Apple.
(if they did get dropped, that iPhone 5 delay would go from September to July of 2012)
People still want Iphones?
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People still want Iphones?
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lol, you know the day I saw an Apple employee discreetly use her Android I switched.
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lol, you know the day I saw an Apple employee discreetly use her Android I switched.
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Funny, I saw an apple employee with a android device as well. "Shhh, don't tell."

HTC to be banned from U.S.?

HTC just lost a big one to apple's patents of basic functions.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5869507/htc-android-phones-are-being-banned-from-the-us-next-year
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According to the link its affects HTC Android phones that runs 1.6 to 2.2
^ what he said. Also, phones aren't banned yet, only if HTC doesn't fix the infringement before April 29, 2012. Get your facts straight and adjust your thread title, please.
I like htc. didn't read the article, page won't load on my slow net connect. It would be a shame to fall into the temptation of a nexus on my verizon account, I don't really want to upgrade it to a data plan.
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Basically just saying that apple is claiming the patent rights to be able to click a phone number, internet address, or maps address from a text message, and the software on the phone automatically opening their respective apps. Smooth move.
ekoee said:
Basically just saying that apple is claiming the patent rights to be able to click a phone number, internet address, or maps address from a text message, and the software on the phone automatically opening their respective apps. Smooth move.
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trash. Just like there patent for "slide to unlock" when other phones had this before Apple :/
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Please adjust the title to reflect the facts.
Unless you have some alterior motive by lying.
This patent is fascinating, isn't it? In fact, what this patent actually AMOUNTS to, is a TEXT PARSER, that identifies patterns and generates clickable buttons applicable to the text by context, and *does something* when clicked.
Funny, isn't that what a web browser does? It reads a text file (html), parses it, identifies patterns (<a> tag), generates a clickable button, and launches the target when clicked. Seems to me that web browsers were around LONG before this patent was applied for (1996). Prior art = the patent is invalid.
Unless, of course, it is by association with the server/client model of parsing the text data, which is also specified within the patent. If this is the case, then the simple solution would be to move the "server" component into the application itself (in this case, the "messaging" application). Patent bypassed, no difference to end user, apple gets slapped with 10 million patent infringement suits.
I hope that a lot of apple users can see how PETTY this nonsense is, and choose to spend their money more intelligently in the future.
dhkr234 said:
I hope that a lot of apple users can see how PETTY this nonsense is, and choose to spend their money more intelligently in the future.
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They won't. They'll be too upset that their Dear Leader died that they'll continue to buy the substandard garbage crApple produces and not even look into how other competitors perform (they need to release Cat Physics for Android and I can sell my jailbroken iPod Touch).
^^yeah, gizmodo is retarded. pretty much EVERY news outlet is retarded.
HTC will not be banned from the US, I can guarantee that... not because of a patent war at least.
CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
trash. Just like there patent for "slide to unlock" when other phones had this before Apple :/
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Just like there patent to get a notification bar just like android had, in IOS 5 lol
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As long as they went through the right legal channels, yeah.
Apple seems like they're trying so hard to get rid of competition, when competition is what breeds innovation.
Companies like that need to grow balls and figure out something else to bring more customers to their product.
Anyone remember when apple dropped the ipod and started patenting things like multitouch, and firefox was chipping away at microflop? The situation was the other way around. They had to fight to get to market, and innovate. They owned very little of the pc market. Now, they seem to have lost their way, and Android is casting a light on just how slow to keep up they are. These small victories will not win the war. While I can understand apple's frustration, they'd better spend the time and effort on being innovative, else join pacman in the halls of museums...
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This patent is fascinating, isn't it? In fact, what this patent actually AMOUNTS to, is a TEXT PARSER, that identifies patterns and generates clickable buttons applicable to the text by context, and *does something* when clicked.
Funny, isn't that what a web browser does? It reads a text file (html), parses it, identifies patterns (<a> tag), generates a clickable button, and launches the target when clicked. Seems to me that web browsers were around LONG before this patent was applied for (1996). Prior art = the patent is invalid.
Unless, of course, it is by association with the server/client model of parsing the text data, which is also specified within the patent. If this is the case, then the simple solution would be to move the "server" component into the application itself (in this case, the "messaging" application). Patent bypassed, no difference to end user, apple gets slapped with 10 million patent infringement suits.
I hope that a lot of apple users can see how PETTY this nonsense is, and choose to spend their money more intelligently in the future.
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The patent is more about heuristically detect phone numbers. Sms messages doesnt specify protocols for phone numbers. Html is a markup language, heuristics not needed to identify links.
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ekoee said:
As long as they went through the right legal channels, yeah.
Apple seems like they're trying so hard to get rid of competition, when competition is what breeds innovation.
Companies like that need to grow balls and figure out something else to bring more customers to their product.
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Now I think android should do the same to them. With the new notification bar IOS has android would win this one and apple will be force to remove it from the OS. They're being an ass I suggest android do the same.
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androidfeen809 said:
Now I think android should do the same to them. With the new notification bar IOS has android would win this one and apple will be force to remove it from the OS. They're being an ass I suggest android do the same.
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I'm with you on that. It was a **** move. Then again, I've found myself to be a little too vengeful at times.
ekoee said:
I'm with you on that. It was a **** move. Then again, I've found myself to be a little too vengeful at times.
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Yea htc android should sue apple for copying the notification bar.
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That would truely be awesome
androidfeen809 said:
Yea htc android should sue apple for copying the notification bar.
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They cant as the android notification bar was never patented.
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This case went before the US International Trade Commission, and not Federal court. It'll be a while before we see anything happen. The ITC is appealed directly to President Obama, who will have to rule first. The ruling on the appeal is largely based on weighing the patent holder's rights versus the harm done to the consumer. This could go either way, I think.
Next, the ITC only has one course of jurisdiction, they can prevent the import of the infringing items into the US. For that to happen, HTC must still be infringing. What will likely happen is one of three things:
1) HTC will implement a non-infringing alternative based on the specifics of the the claim construction.
2) The patent will be rendered moot because the claim construction does not cover current versions of Android. Apple would need to re-file with the ITC, which they could do.
3) HTC will license the technology from Apple based on a reasonable royalty calculation.
This is how virtually all of the ITC cases end up. In reality, all of you will have new phones by the time this gets settled upon.

Things Android should "patent"

In light of the latest round of idiocy by the US Judicial system which is holding up US versions of the HTC One X because of "patent infringement", I've decided to make my own list of completely random, arbitrary junk Android manufacturers should "patent" to counter-act Apple's insane anti-free-market practices.
How about patenting....
...screen sizes on a phone bigger than 3.5"?
...speech navigation on phones?
...sdcard slots, micosdcard slots... hell any hole on a phone that isn't a power button?
...removable batteries?
...drop-down bar? (although apple already stole that)
...the apps drawer?
...back-facing cameras with more then 8mp and front-facing cameras with more then 2mp?
whats that you say? Google or its respective Android manufacturers didn't come up with ANY of that? If the courts grant Apple patent rights on things like pressing a highlighted phone number to open a menu, and the shape of icons on a desktop, why not? I'd love to see Apple try to get 4" iphone 5's in the US only to find out Android had "patented" larger screens.
I found this ridiculous and sad, because Apple will probably patent this when the new iPhone is out, I can even imagine apple patenting the letter i
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How about patenting....
...sdcard slots, micosdcard slots... hell any hole on a phone that isn't a power button?
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Holes are important !!!
PS: With that speed in the near future they can even put the logo to the flag......... just sayin.....
Back buttons, menu buttons, and onscreen buttons too, and any other buttons other than the home/power/volume ones.
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Regarding the notification bar, google applied for a patent but then apple used same feature and as of now I think the patent is still pending.
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forgot an obvious one....
....widgets....
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xda should create a patent trolling company specifically for trolling patent abusers.
PDAs had a lot of these features years before Android was out.
Just remember Apple's golden rule. If Apple implements their take on an existing feature its called innovating/reinventing, if anybody else does it its called stealing and they must be sued.
spunker88 said:
PDAs had a lot of these features years before Android was out.
Just remember Apple's golden rule. If Apple implements their take on an existing feature its called innovating/reinventing, if anybody else does it its called stealing and they must be sued.
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" Doesn't matter that the horse is dead, saddle up and keep riding"
-some guy in a bar-
+1
They should patent fragmentation. No one can do fragmentation like Google can.
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MikeyMike01 said:
They should patent fragmentation. No one can do fragmentation like Google can.
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Yep but unfortunately Google itself is taking the fragmentation feature from the next version of Android OS by directly selling Nexus devices from multiple manufacturers from Play Store itself, so no use patenting it.
But do you know one thing which Apple should patent ? The lines/ques outside its Apple stores, but there will be none for Google as they planning to directly sell it online.
But wait, Apple already has fragmentation with the older models not fully supported. My 160GB iPod Classic will never get the Genius feature, but the identical but lower capacity newer models get it. For some reason Apple gets a free pass here too.
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MikeyMike01 said:
They should patent fragmentation. No one can do fragmentation like Google can.
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doh!
I say F-them both; patenting code that should be straight open-source....

Samsung won!!!

Samsung won the patent war against apple regarding the Galaxy Tab :-D:-D eat **** apple!!!
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Samsung won a battle, but the patent war will go on.
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Don't get me wrong it sounds like great news... how about a link to the news article that you read this news on? Or are you referring to the U.K. ruling? http://www.pcworld.com/article/2589...h_to_infringe_apple_design_says_uk_judge.html
speedyjay said:
Samsung won the patent war against apple regarding the Galaxy Tab :-D:-D eat **** apple!!!
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This is just for the UK, has no bearing over here in the States or other parts of the world. FYI
Yea, the judge said he didn't think it could be mistaken for an Ipad, Judge Birss said according to Bloomberg, “They are not as cool.”
Now Google has to pony up 22 million for breaking into Safari and bypassing security settings to imbed cookies. That's no different than a hacker or virus. Come on Google, now you're acting like Bankers...Getting alittle too big to fail and I'll do whatever I please...
Frankly Samsung should have been charged because the Tab's do look like iPhone/iPod/iPad ...
Like it or not, Apple is the one who sets the standards. Saying eat **** is simply childish (and most likely you are a child)
I agree with those claims of violations on design. Damn, is so easy to do something visually different. And the galaxy tab plus, does look like an ipad. I bought a cover to it for people don't pickup on me for having an apple like product as i bought it more for the hardware and android.
What makes me sick is how ridiculous are the others claims Apple does. You read on newspaper: Apple against HTC or Samsung or anyone, after 3 or 4 pages of sensationalism on apple vs google, close vs open and good vs evil you read that the reason is that the keyboard layout changes when you change the language.
I second the point the guy of xda tv made, those companies should start to sue patent offices to allow so lame patents.
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Common Sense
MrNo said:
Frankly Samsung should have been charged because the Tab's do look like iPhone/iPod/iPad ...
Like it or not, Apple is the one who sets the standards. Saying eat **** is simply childish (and most likely you are a child)
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Some of the claims about the device looking like an iDevice are ridiculous when someone really thinks about it. Are you going to deviate from a rectangular design? Or change the black border to orange? Maybe no border at all? Or put the front-facing camera in the lower left hand corner?
Good design is one thing. Patenting common sense design is another.
Let's start by saying that entire copyright law is a bunch of crap. about 20% of human genome is patented. that in itself speaks how absurd some of the laws are.
I disagree that they should sue the patent office. it should be closed and recreated in a different form, one that makes sense today.
About the design. there are so many other tablets that look unique, and there are no lawsuits aimed at them.
what samsung did is basically make a photocopy of the device, change the size and a few buttons. while that could be enough changes to satisfy the law requirement it is not innovating at all, but making bad copies of something that is successful.
Let's all agree that Apple have stopped innovating a while ago.
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Let's all agree that Apple have stopped innovating a while ago.
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By "stopped innovating" you mean their designers got tired of designing the same old moto? Seriously apple should have tried making larger displays for their iPhones since every mobile company (not all) have already adopted the large display concept for their devices.
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i officially HATE apple

damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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As much as I dislike the ruling, it's a legit reason. Depending on what your talking about (The Sammy vs. Apple case). Samsung CLEARLY copied a lot from Apple, just take a look at the 1st Galaxy S. It looks like a modded iPhone. There's no getting around that point. I'm not the biggest fan of Apple, but me wanting to make it big as a business man. I need to see things from an unbiased point of view. That's why I have little, to no problem with the ruling. It's just business. You can also make the counter argument that none of the current Galaxy Devices look like an iPhone, but they didn't get in trouble for those. It was just the OG Galaxies. About the gestures things, there's certain ways you implement gestures. Samsung was using a patented way to implement gestures. But as I was saying earlier, it's just bossiness. Now Motorola is suing Apple for many Wifi, and Data patent infringements. That pretty much covers all there devices with a Wifi Radio on it. Now you don't see people complaining about how bad a company is. There happy that Apple is getting sued, so am I. But is it fair to Apple, and there products (Not just iPhones, but Macs, etc) not really. But it's all business. Apple sues Samsung, now Motorola pulls an Apple on Apple. What a magical world we live in. We should see the positive in this whole thing. The phone world should stop being flooded with ****ty phones, and company will create better devices. Apple put the fear of Steve into every OEM.
I'm also inclined to agree with the victory for Apple for the Samsung v Apple case as well...
I like Android. I consider it (vastly) superior to iOS. That does not mean I will always back up other companies that produce Android devices simply because they use Android on their phones. In my opinion, the older versions of TouchWiz did have some striking similarities with iOS. This does not mean I think Android is a copy of iOS, it just means I think an early stage of a company's skin looked very similar to Apple's.
Also that corporate email stuff and that mention of Google warning them could not have helped their case.
I see what you guys are saying and since I've never even picked up a Samsung Galaxy I probably shouldn't say anything at all. But hasn't tapping icons on a touchscreen, the color white & rectangles been around for quite a while now? The DS being my first and only smartphone this is my only experience but it does make me wonder where it will stop. Only tinkering a bit with an iPhone & an iPad.....I was absolutely astonished as to how similar the versions of MIUI were to iOS when I have run them. The theory and the code (although probably different programming languages) have to have huge similarites. Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?
Quoting weekendsR2short, "Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?"
I think that because the Android os is open source, the individual people developing are going to be exempt. They are just going off what was put out there. With everything being open, Apple should have been able to see from day one and been in court then, maybe they just wanted us all to love the os and take us users by storm into the Apple world.
Just my two cents
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Interesting Patent...
rorytmeadows said:
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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That's exactly the problem! If you can patent, as Samsung claimed "rectangles with rounded edges", where is it going to end? Should all devices with one button below the screen be considered as patent infringement? The point of a patent is not to protect a brand, it's to allow a revolutionary new idea to have its chance at the market...
That said, I haven't actually read the verdict in any detail. Did the jury claim patent infringement, or trademark infringement?
Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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EXACTLY my point.....its like amd copied intel processors......intel didnt sue.....intel desided to make better more energy saving durable processors
Point blank, Apple is upset because they can't do any better than android, so they have to sue to help themselves feel better. I swear corporate bullies is all they are LoL They're latest upgrades/updates are just catching up (still haven't) to what android has been offering for years, so they sue in efforts to slow down progress IMO anyway. Which will never happen. They want to be a monopoly in a world of freedom...impossible!!!
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Comments about this or that company didn't sue Apple when they did this or that are probably under-informed. Many companies have contractual agreements to not litigate over vast areas of intellectual property. For the present discussion, perhaps the most well known is the agreement between Microsoft and Apple. Those guys were in court pretty much non-stop for years. Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact. Other companies have similar arrangements. It's quite common.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
Assuming the verdict and penalty were arrived at justly (I wouldn't know one way or the other), the only place that fairness comes into it is that Apple seems uninterested in getting licensing revenue. They want to stop their competitors from using their patented stuff, which I think is a bummer for us consumers all around. Contrast with Microsoft, which has a tidy business of getting royalties from almost all Android phone makers. You could call that a rip-off, but those other companies agreed to it, and the cost is probably insignificant compared to your overall price for a current smart phone.
The way I see it, competition breeds innovation. Money makes people play dirty, but it's how they deal with it that'll eventually make us better phones.
Android is a collaboration of multiple companies creating their own flavors, with Google at the tip of the spear. Apple is a closed door who makes app developers pay to create programs that make their company money. The only thing apple has an advantage of is grabbing celebrity endorsements for their one size fits all equipment.
I honestly think apple is running out of ideas. They need a breakthrough, and they thought Siri was it. As much fun as it would be to act like Tony Stark talking to Jarvis, I don't think it's any more useful than our Genius button. Software just isn't there yet.
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Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
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Actually the suit was thrown out because Apple built Mac os from the open source Xerox GUI. In those days patent suits were more realistic. Logical thinking of you can't patent something that is a copy. Now the patent law has become very unrealistic and out of control.
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rorytmeadows said:
I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Agreed at the patent office being the real problem. Did Henry Ford get a patent on 4 wheels and engine in front? Does Gibson sue everyone who makes a "Les Paul style" guitar or one with Humbucking pickups? No. The root problem here is that Steve Jobs, and in his absence Apple in general, is too lazy to out innovate anyone so they want the market returned to the days when they WERE the innovators. I personally prefer devices like the DS and the original G1 because nobody is ever going to mistake them for an iTurd. And yes... I would drop my SIM card in my G1 again before it would touch an i device.
Xiaomi better be careful with releasing a phone with MIUI as stock os though... If the new one looks as much like iOS as the one I tried for DS... That could be a problem. It just makes me sad because most of the GUI patents Apple was awarded they didn't even come up with.
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Sompom said:
What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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But we all know Tablets as we use them now would have never have been with out Apple. Apple sparks the idea, then company's try to battle it out. Take the iPhone, touch screens where not a huge thing. iPhone comes out and BAM! Market floods with Touch Screen phones.
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Or 2001, yes? I actually watched that after all this Apple/Samsung/Other garbage started... Most exciting.
What I was actually saying is that *Microsoft* does not make hardware, HP, Dell, ect. make hardware and Microsoft licences them hardware. Nitpicky, I know. That's how I am. Sorry!
That said, I just looked up tablet PCs before and after the iPad, there is a marked shift... From huge, bulky stuff (with resistive touchscreens and/or styluses) to sleek, thin, multitouch devices.
But then, I only know what I've picked up, I've never researched anything about this.
I hope you guys realize this is all just a publicity stunt for Apple. Rather than spending $$$$ on advertising, they would spend it on getting into legal fights with Samsung. And in the process they can prove to the uninformed consumer (a surprising majority of the population) that they were the first to come up with the ideas, and they are the innovators.
And they actually came away with some money from their main competitor as well. It's a win win win for them any way you look at it.
I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad for the iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter.
A VERY good point gtmaster303! It goes back to the saying, "There's no such thing as bad publicity".

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