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massive attack to androd
u know the saying once ur on top everyone wants to knock u off.. But thanks for that great article.
Everybody suing everyone now days
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u know the saying once ur on top everyone wants to knock u off.. But thanks for that great article.
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yeah man thats all about it
anthonys2r said:
Everybody suing everyone now days
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apple, those whores always tend to do that.... the the main suers ..**** apple
I hope no such thing as shutting down Android happens else Ima bomb the apple building
Android is waaaaaaay better than apple OS, sorry I like saying this again n again lol
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This is old news, regarding Oracle. That article would make you think Android is about to crumble, and that is not the case. At least he points out that re-writing the code, slightly, would make this go away.
Google has way too much power/$ to not fix this for Android, which has exceeded their expectations wildly.
In short, do not fret. Apple just being scared, as they should be.
Just like Jobs said recently via an email that Android is tracking people and that they do not.... ignoring all the articles about apple tracking people lately.
EDIT, haha, just noticed he said Symbian would likely benefit (which is dead).... sad considering how much Nokia stock I own (frown face)
The iphone makes up 50% of Apples revenue stream now so Android is a massive threat to their business. Totally idiotic for a company or that size to have most of their eggs in one basket if you ask me.
Personally i think competition is good and keeps the market honest, but all this patent trolling that's going on is just ludicrous. It's no better than kids fighting over marbles in the playground.
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apple, those whores always tend to do that.... the the main suers ..**** apple
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This is not accurate.
All the big mobile companies sue each other in circles, it is not the fault of a single entity.
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The iphone makes up 50% of Apples revenue stream now so Android is a massive threat to their business. Totally idiotic for a company or that size to have most of their eggs in one basket if you ask me.
Personally i think competition is good and keeps the market honest, but all this patent trolling that's going on is just ludicrous. It's no better than kids fighting over marbles in the playground.
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This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.
Apple has always been pretty sue-happy, moreso than other phone/computer manufacturers.
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its their way of trying to slow down growth of its competitors. like tripping your opponent in a 100 yard dash as hes about to pass you.
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When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
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Really? So more people buying Android smart phones and the market share slowly tilting to Android's favor is not a threat to the sales of the iPhone?
I guess Windows is not a threat to Apple since Microsoft doesn't make computers then, right?
I sue u
u sue me lol just keeps on going
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This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.
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Isn't the nexus a Google device?
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i would like to add 1 small piece to this although apple are a hardwar/software vendor it does contract out to people like samsung , so this apple google is also apple samsung writ , android and samsung together is a bigger threat to apple and apple think by sueing (as most companys do and would do in the same situation) both samsung and google may slow them down or as is most likely with the release of all the new smartphones ie galaxy s 2 and new nexus phones will generate a feelling within buyers that apple sell a better product because others are copying , this is not a serious attempt to stop android but with the timing so close to may first release date for sgs2 is more of a marketing exercise , for instance when google lost a case recently they had to pay 5 million $ where as if they had payed for the licence out right may have cost them 50 million $ dont take these figures to seriously but you get the idea this is the way business works and will carry on working as has been said before apple will still buy from samsung google will still develop android licences will be paid for in one form or another and someone will use somebody elses idea to improve their own and tommorrow will be another day
Thank you for the information.
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This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.
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Really? So more people buying Android smart phones and the market share slowly tilting to Android's favor is not a threat to the sales of the iPhone?
I guess Windows is not a threat to Apple since Microsoft doesn't make computers then, right?
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Erra completely misses the point but shinkinrui saves the day by pointing that out for me. Nothing more to say really.
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...but you get the idea this is the way business works and will carry on working...and someone will use somebody elses idea to improve their own and tomorrow will be another day
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Well put!
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Isn't the nexus a Google device?
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Sort of, it's powered by google as all android phones are, but it isn't MADE by google, it is made by HTC, and the Nexus S is made by Samsung. Google works with the companies closely for these phones, but the phones themselves are not manufactured by google, and I'd be willing to bet google doesn't design the phones and pic the internal components to them either so much, they probably have some influence, but I'd be surprised if they had complete control when it is the manufacturer who stands to make or lose money on the phone based on sales.
HTC just lost a big one to apple's patents of basic functions.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5869507/htc-android-phones-are-being-banned-from-the-us-next-year
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According to the link its affects HTC Android phones that runs 1.6 to 2.2
^ what he said. Also, phones aren't banned yet, only if HTC doesn't fix the infringement before April 29, 2012. Get your facts straight and adjust your thread title, please.
I like htc. didn't read the article, page won't load on my slow net connect. It would be a shame to fall into the temptation of a nexus on my verizon account, I don't really want to upgrade it to a data plan.
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Basically just saying that apple is claiming the patent rights to be able to click a phone number, internet address, or maps address from a text message, and the software on the phone automatically opening their respective apps. Smooth move.
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Basically just saying that apple is claiming the patent rights to be able to click a phone number, internet address, or maps address from a text message, and the software on the phone automatically opening their respective apps. Smooth move.
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trash. Just like there patent for "slide to unlock" when other phones had this before Apple :/
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Please adjust the title to reflect the facts.
Unless you have some alterior motive by lying.
This patent is fascinating, isn't it? In fact, what this patent actually AMOUNTS to, is a TEXT PARSER, that identifies patterns and generates clickable buttons applicable to the text by context, and *does something* when clicked.
Funny, isn't that what a web browser does? It reads a text file (html), parses it, identifies patterns (<a> tag), generates a clickable button, and launches the target when clicked. Seems to me that web browsers were around LONG before this patent was applied for (1996). Prior art = the patent is invalid.
Unless, of course, it is by association with the server/client model of parsing the text data, which is also specified within the patent. If this is the case, then the simple solution would be to move the "server" component into the application itself (in this case, the "messaging" application). Patent bypassed, no difference to end user, apple gets slapped with 10 million patent infringement suits.
I hope that a lot of apple users can see how PETTY this nonsense is, and choose to spend their money more intelligently in the future.
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I hope that a lot of apple users can see how PETTY this nonsense is, and choose to spend their money more intelligently in the future.
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They won't. They'll be too upset that their Dear Leader died that they'll continue to buy the substandard garbage crApple produces and not even look into how other competitors perform (they need to release Cat Physics for Android and I can sell my jailbroken iPod Touch).
^^yeah, gizmodo is retarded. pretty much EVERY news outlet is retarded.
HTC will not be banned from the US, I can guarantee that... not because of a patent war at least.
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trash. Just like there patent for "slide to unlock" when other phones had this before Apple :/
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Just like there patent to get a notification bar just like android had, in IOS 5 lol
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As long as they went through the right legal channels, yeah.
Apple seems like they're trying so hard to get rid of competition, when competition is what breeds innovation.
Companies like that need to grow balls and figure out something else to bring more customers to their product.
Anyone remember when apple dropped the ipod and started patenting things like multitouch, and firefox was chipping away at microflop? The situation was the other way around. They had to fight to get to market, and innovate. They owned very little of the pc market. Now, they seem to have lost their way, and Android is casting a light on just how slow to keep up they are. These small victories will not win the war. While I can understand apple's frustration, they'd better spend the time and effort on being innovative, else join pacman in the halls of museums...
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This patent is fascinating, isn't it? In fact, what this patent actually AMOUNTS to, is a TEXT PARSER, that identifies patterns and generates clickable buttons applicable to the text by context, and *does something* when clicked.
Funny, isn't that what a web browser does? It reads a text file (html), parses it, identifies patterns (<a> tag), generates a clickable button, and launches the target when clicked. Seems to me that web browsers were around LONG before this patent was applied for (1996). Prior art = the patent is invalid.
Unless, of course, it is by association with the server/client model of parsing the text data, which is also specified within the patent. If this is the case, then the simple solution would be to move the "server" component into the application itself (in this case, the "messaging" application). Patent bypassed, no difference to end user, apple gets slapped with 10 million patent infringement suits.
I hope that a lot of apple users can see how PETTY this nonsense is, and choose to spend their money more intelligently in the future.
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The patent is more about heuristically detect phone numbers. Sms messages doesnt specify protocols for phone numbers. Html is a markup language, heuristics not needed to identify links.
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ekoee said:
As long as they went through the right legal channels, yeah.
Apple seems like they're trying so hard to get rid of competition, when competition is what breeds innovation.
Companies like that need to grow balls and figure out something else to bring more customers to their product.
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Now I think android should do the same to them. With the new notification bar IOS has android would win this one and apple will be force to remove it from the OS. They're being an ass I suggest android do the same.
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Now I think android should do the same to them. With the new notification bar IOS has android would win this one and apple will be force to remove it from the OS. They're being an ass I suggest android do the same.
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I'm with you on that. It was a **** move. Then again, I've found myself to be a little too vengeful at times.
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I'm with you on that. It was a **** move. Then again, I've found myself to be a little too vengeful at times.
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Yea htc android should sue apple for copying the notification bar.
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That would truely be awesome
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Yea htc android should sue apple for copying the notification bar.
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They cant as the android notification bar was never patented.
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This case went before the US International Trade Commission, and not Federal court. It'll be a while before we see anything happen. The ITC is appealed directly to President Obama, who will have to rule first. The ruling on the appeal is largely based on weighing the patent holder's rights versus the harm done to the consumer. This could go either way, I think.
Next, the ITC only has one course of jurisdiction, they can prevent the import of the infringing items into the US. For that to happen, HTC must still be infringing. What will likely happen is one of three things:
1) HTC will implement a non-infringing alternative based on the specifics of the the claim construction.
2) The patent will be rendered moot because the claim construction does not cover current versions of Android. Apple would need to re-file with the ITC, which they could do.
3) HTC will license the technology from Apple based on a reasonable royalty calculation.
This is how virtually all of the ITC cases end up. In reality, all of you will have new phones by the time this gets settled upon.
Apple sued Sammy: Then G-Nex was banned(later appealed). Then another sue to potentially kill android.
But Apple's A5X processor is made by Samsung.
So Apple should be careful otherwise Sammy could kill all i devices.
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Apple sued Sammy: Then G-Nex was banned(later appealed). Then another sue to potentially kill android.
But Apple's A5X processor is made by Samsung.
So Apple should be careful otherwise Sammy could kill all i devices.
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Samsung will destroy apple, lawsuits or not. Open sources/ freedom always comes out on top. Its this difference that leaves the first generation iPhones still running iOS 3 and the original galaxy s with the latest os jelly bean.
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it's a little more complicated than that. while sammy makes the chips in the current crop of iDevices, They would really not like to lose all that apple business (think of all the millions of samsung parts sold to apple. samsung makes a LOT of money from apple products, and it would be a huge hit to their business if that stopped.
I think apple may be moving away from samsung for the next gen devices anyway, so it may not even matter.
Actually iPad is a5x, made by Sammy, and next iPhone 5 will most likely have the same processor.
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So Apple should be careful otherwise Sammy could kill all i devices.
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Sorry airfluip but there's no way that happens. Sammy makes money off of those chips they sell to Apple. If Sammy decides not to give Apple the chips they would be in breach of contract. Lots of money lost either way. Let's say that Sammy decides not to renew the contract. Well you can bet there are plenty of other chip manufacturers out there who would love the cash from that contract. Did I mention money? It's the bottom line when concerning business. Consumers may have brand loyalty but companies do not.
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You're also not accurate.
Regarding the Retina screen that Sammy manufactures for the idevices, Sammy's the only one in the world that was up for the specifications Apple required, so if Sammy does decide to swallow this pill, Apple really is FCKed. However, it won't happen - the money is too good to let go, Apple pays good money.
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I know I might have been a bit wrong, but really. The company that's holding you up on your feet, and you're hitting it on the head? (Apple sue Sammy)
itzik,
I didn't realize Sammi was also making the display. I was talking about the chipsets. If Apple was really worried about it they would of started to produce their own by now. And they just won there lawsuit against Sammi:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/24/jury-reaches-verdict-in-apple-vs-samsung-case/
I heard Apple won the suit.
A simple fact is that only in the US did Apple win that, which raises the possibility that pure patriotism got into considerations. But Sammy is a monster company and Google's Motorola has some real strong suits against Apple including Apple's star - Siri, which was copied from Moto. On the long run, Google's way will win.
And by the way, Apple doesn't have the tools to even get started on making displays. They are completely dependent on Sammy with current specification.
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And by the way, Apple doesn't have the tools to even get started on making displays. They are completely dependent on Sammy with current specification.
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I'd say 10 billion is cash reserves is all the "tools" that they would need. That's just there liquid cash pile. No company in the world even comes close.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/24/apple-q2-earnings-apple-now-has-over-110-billion-in-cash-reserves/
Personally...
... I would sooner go back to a motorolla RAZR V3 before buying/accepting an iPhone, so they can pull a few hundred off of their "damages" from me.
I heard/read apple is looking at different manufacturers to make their A6 chip for their future phones. So them suing Sammy might be because they are looking to cut all ties and out source elsewhere.
Either way, Android is here to stay.
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So basically, Samsung is doomed in the android market for now.
I hope Gnex 2 is by Motorola 'Mobility'
http://9to5mac.com/2012/03/13/oh-th...-of-the-ipad-retina-display-bloombergisuppli/
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/13/samsung-sole-supplier-for-retina-display-in-new-ipad/
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So basically, Samsung is doomed in the android market for now.
I hope Gnex 2 is by Motorola 'Mobility'
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No not necessarily. Appeals will be filed extensions will be filed to allow them to use the current designs. I have a feeling the next lineup of nexus phones will be from sony, lg, motorola and samsung. However you will not see a Gnex from Motorola the Galaxy line is licensed by Samsung.
yeah you know what I mean.
Next Google "flagship" phone.
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I hope Gnex 2 is by Motorola 'Mobility'
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Motorola and their lock bootloaders? booooo lol
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They have locked bootloaders?
But are they still custom flashable?
Because it'll be AOSP not Motoblur.
But then again G-Nex does have download mode.
Motorola up until recently with the Photon Q has locked the boot loaders.
A Nexus flagship phone has to be unlocked so if Moto wants to be part of the group they need to be prepared to unlock the bootloader out of the gate.
They only won in the US. Samsung is Far too diverse of a company...the apple $ is super nice don't get me wrong but they were a giant before apple and will be more so after. Besides Motorola/Google are reported to be going after apple for knowingly using Moto's wireless connectivity technology(or something like that)without permission or paying royalties and apple refuses to negotiate.... if I understand it correctly All apple devices with wireless connectivity fall under 6 or 7 patent violations...1billion is chump change compared to them apples.
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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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As much as I dislike the ruling, it's a legit reason. Depending on what your talking about (The Sammy vs. Apple case). Samsung CLEARLY copied a lot from Apple, just take a look at the 1st Galaxy S. It looks like a modded iPhone. There's no getting around that point. I'm not the biggest fan of Apple, but me wanting to make it big as a business man. I need to see things from an unbiased point of view. That's why I have little, to no problem with the ruling. It's just business. You can also make the counter argument that none of the current Galaxy Devices look like an iPhone, but they didn't get in trouble for those. It was just the OG Galaxies. About the gestures things, there's certain ways you implement gestures. Samsung was using a patented way to implement gestures. But as I was saying earlier, it's just bossiness. Now Motorola is suing Apple for many Wifi, and Data patent infringements. That pretty much covers all there devices with a Wifi Radio on it. Now you don't see people complaining about how bad a company is. There happy that Apple is getting sued, so am I. But is it fair to Apple, and there products (Not just iPhones, but Macs, etc) not really. But it's all business. Apple sues Samsung, now Motorola pulls an Apple on Apple. What a magical world we live in. We should see the positive in this whole thing. The phone world should stop being flooded with ****ty phones, and company will create better devices. Apple put the fear of Steve into every OEM.
I'm also inclined to agree with the victory for Apple for the Samsung v Apple case as well...
I like Android. I consider it (vastly) superior to iOS. That does not mean I will always back up other companies that produce Android devices simply because they use Android on their phones. In my opinion, the older versions of TouchWiz did have some striking similarities with iOS. This does not mean I think Android is a copy of iOS, it just means I think an early stage of a company's skin looked very similar to Apple's.
Also that corporate email stuff and that mention of Google warning them could not have helped their case.
I see what you guys are saying and since I've never even picked up a Samsung Galaxy I probably shouldn't say anything at all. But hasn't tapping icons on a touchscreen, the color white & rectangles been around for quite a while now? The DS being my first and only smartphone this is my only experience but it does make me wonder where it will stop. Only tinkering a bit with an iPhone & an iPad.....I was absolutely astonished as to how similar the versions of MIUI were to iOS when I have run them. The theory and the code (although probably different programming languages) have to have huge similarites. Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?
Quoting weekendsR2short, "Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?"
I think that because the Android os is open source, the individual people developing are going to be exempt. They are just going off what was put out there. With everything being open, Apple should have been able to see from day one and been in court then, maybe they just wanted us all to love the os and take us users by storm into the Apple world.
Just my two cents
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Interesting Patent...
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The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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That's exactly the problem! If you can patent, as Samsung claimed "rectangles with rounded edges", where is it going to end? Should all devices with one button below the screen be considered as patent infringement? The point of a patent is not to protect a brand, it's to allow a revolutionary new idea to have its chance at the market...
That said, I haven't actually read the verdict in any detail. Did the jury claim patent infringement, or trademark infringement?
Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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EXACTLY my point.....its like amd copied intel processors......intel didnt sue.....intel desided to make better more energy saving durable processors
Point blank, Apple is upset because they can't do any better than android, so they have to sue to help themselves feel better. I swear corporate bullies is all they are LoL They're latest upgrades/updates are just catching up (still haven't) to what android has been offering for years, so they sue in efforts to slow down progress IMO anyway. Which will never happen. They want to be a monopoly in a world of freedom...impossible!!!
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Comments about this or that company didn't sue Apple when they did this or that are probably under-informed. Many companies have contractual agreements to not litigate over vast areas of intellectual property. For the present discussion, perhaps the most well known is the agreement between Microsoft and Apple. Those guys were in court pretty much non-stop for years. Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact. Other companies have similar arrangements. It's quite common.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
Assuming the verdict and penalty were arrived at justly (I wouldn't know one way or the other), the only place that fairness comes into it is that Apple seems uninterested in getting licensing revenue. They want to stop their competitors from using their patented stuff, which I think is a bummer for us consumers all around. Contrast with Microsoft, which has a tidy business of getting royalties from almost all Android phone makers. You could call that a rip-off, but those other companies agreed to it, and the cost is probably insignificant compared to your overall price for a current smart phone.
The way I see it, competition breeds innovation. Money makes people play dirty, but it's how they deal with it that'll eventually make us better phones.
Android is a collaboration of multiple companies creating their own flavors, with Google at the tip of the spear. Apple is a closed door who makes app developers pay to create programs that make their company money. The only thing apple has an advantage of is grabbing celebrity endorsements for their one size fits all equipment.
I honestly think apple is running out of ideas. They need a breakthrough, and they thought Siri was it. As much fun as it would be to act like Tony Stark talking to Jarvis, I don't think it's any more useful than our Genius button. Software just isn't there yet.
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Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
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Actually the suit was thrown out because Apple built Mac os from the open source Xerox GUI. In those days patent suits were more realistic. Logical thinking of you can't patent something that is a copy. Now the patent law has become very unrealistic and out of control.
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Agreed at the patent office being the real problem. Did Henry Ford get a patent on 4 wheels and engine in front? Does Gibson sue everyone who makes a "Les Paul style" guitar or one with Humbucking pickups? No. The root problem here is that Steve Jobs, and in his absence Apple in general, is too lazy to out innovate anyone so they want the market returned to the days when they WERE the innovators. I personally prefer devices like the DS and the original G1 because nobody is ever going to mistake them for an iTurd. And yes... I would drop my SIM card in my G1 again before it would touch an i device.
Xiaomi better be careful with releasing a phone with MIUI as stock os though... If the new one looks as much like iOS as the one I tried for DS... That could be a problem. It just makes me sad because most of the GUI patents Apple was awarded they didn't even come up with.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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But we all know Tablets as we use them now would have never have been with out Apple. Apple sparks the idea, then company's try to battle it out. Take the iPhone, touch screens where not a huge thing. iPhone comes out and BAM! Market floods with Touch Screen phones.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Or 2001, yes? I actually watched that after all this Apple/Samsung/Other garbage started... Most exciting.
What I was actually saying is that *Microsoft* does not make hardware, HP, Dell, ect. make hardware and Microsoft licences them hardware. Nitpicky, I know. That's how I am. Sorry!
That said, I just looked up tablet PCs before and after the iPad, there is a marked shift... From huge, bulky stuff (with resistive touchscreens and/or styluses) to sleek, thin, multitouch devices.
But then, I only know what I've picked up, I've never researched anything about this.
I hope you guys realize this is all just a publicity stunt for Apple. Rather than spending $$$$ on advertising, they would spend it on getting into legal fights with Samsung. And in the process they can prove to the uninformed consumer (a surprising majority of the population) that they were the first to come up with the ideas, and they are the innovators.
And they actually came away with some money from their main competitor as well. It's a win win win for them any way you look at it.
I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad for the iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter.
A VERY good point gtmaster303! It goes back to the saying, "There's no such thing as bad publicity".
On these 5inch screens, WE NEED to have swipe down anywhere on homescreen for notification bar gesture, like Nova. Or swipe up for settings. Why wouldn't they have done this yet, there must be a reason.If there is a genuine one, fine!
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On these 5inch screens, WE NEED to have swipe down anywhere on homescreen for notification bar gesture, like Nova. Or swipe up for settings. Why wouldn't they have done this yet, there must be a reason.If there is a genuine one, fine!
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Probably because of the patent wars and the never-ending patent lawsuits.
Example from Aug. this year:
Jury Awards $1 Billion to Apple in Samsung Patent Case
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The jury found that various Samsung products violated Apple patents covering things like the “bounce back” effect when a user scrolls to the end of a list on the iPhone and iPad, and a way to distinguish between one-finger scrolling from two-finger gestures like the pinch-to-zoom that magnifies an image. Samsung was also found to have infringed Apple patents covering the physical design of the iPhone.
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And last month:
Apple retains multitouch patent thanks to Patent Office ruling, forces competition to seek alternatives
Sorry, anonymous Apple multitouch patent challenger -- your victory isn't only temporary, it's also short-lived. The US Patent Office has decided to uphold patent No. 7,479,949 after tentatively invalidating it in December of 2012, which could mean bad news for many of Cupertino's competitors. If those numbers sound vaguely familiar, that's because they're known to most people as the controversial multitouch patent (that covers the downward-swipe gesture as seen in the video after the break) that Apple used against Palm, HTC and Samsung in court. In fact, it was one of the two patents that led to the import ban of some Samsung devices in the US. Needless to say, it now remains a powerful weapon for lawsuits in Apple's arsenal, and rivals best find a way to work around it on their designs.
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That's very interesting, thanks. But then how do nova manage it?
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That's very interesting, thanks. But then how do nova manage it?
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Because mega patent trolls go where the REAL money is, not some app dev
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Seriously, now that Google has their own launcher, they need to make it more functional. The way it is right now is so basic. I'm tempted to go Hololauncher which I use on my S4 but I'm giving myself a chance to try out the so-called "pure Android" experience.
I don't want to switch back to Nova because it's missing some of the newer features and is an extra ram pig. But surely you can't patent swipe down for notifications?
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The thing is android phones have been using swipe down for notifications for a millennia now.. IOS brought it in around ios4 I believe.. Then slapped a patent on it straight away. I hate apple purely for their business ethics. Trying to bury every other company that is a threat to them. Google and android is and always has been a friendly company allowing their designs and innovations to be used by all.
For example a polish company that gives out free fruit and veg to the poor and needy across Poland were sued and put out of business by apple purely because they're website was ap.pl and had a similar logo. This is a charity that has nothing to do with the mobile phone market!!
Apple suck.. Charge ridiculous amounts for their products.. Bring nothing new and innovative with their products.. Are as boring as their founder and are being outsold by Samsung alone never mind the rest of the android phones out there..
Big bunch of childish babies
Rant over
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