Found Tri-band/Sprint Spark directions
Here is the Guide:
1. You need to acquire your six-digit MSL code. You can either do this by talking to Sprint customer service and asking for it, or you can get it from a logcat if you follow a few steps that I'll get to later in order to keep this simple.
2. Dial *#*#3282#*#* into your dialer. (Requires you to go back to StockROM, AOSP ROM's cant provision/access dialer codes YET)
3. Select LTE and then Edit. Enter your MSL to access the menu. (Get MSL from Sprint Phone Support or MSL guide below)
4. On this screen, set both "Band26 Enable/Disable" and "Band41 Enable/Disable" to enable.
5. I was told set the Band priorities to the following:
Band 25 - 0
Band 26 - 0
Band 41- 1
This prioritizes Band 41. This adds 10 Mbps to my Spark signal
6. Press the back button to reboot, and you're all done! So far (in Chicago) I've seen better LTE coverage indoors, and superior speed in general. I am averaging 15 Mbps in Chicago (Grant Park) and Evanston.
If you need to get your MSL from a logcat, please follow the following steps:
0. Download the Android SDK and correct drivers for the phone (if you don't have this already you're doing Nexus wrong.)
1. Connect your phone to your computer, with USB Debugging enabled.
2. Open a command terminal, change directory to wherever you have the Android SDK's platform-tools installed.
3. Enter "ADB devices" to ensure your device is properly connected. This should print your device's serial number.
4. Enter "ADB logcat" to print the device log.
At this point the terminal window will start vomiting up tons of information. Wait for the scrolling to stop and then continue.
5. Now, on your phone, enter the dialer and type *#*#3282#*#*.
6. Select "LTE/Edit" again.
7. At this point the terminal on your PC should spit out a few more lines. A few of them will look like this:
D/QC_RIL_OEM_HOOK(18638): sendOemRilRequestRaw returns value = 10
V/LG_SVC_ITEMS(18638): length =6 responseBytes=REMOVED itemValue=******
D/LG_SVC_ITEMS(18638): getCommands commandId 200 = ******-END
D/LG_SVC_CMD(18638): itemID = 200, Value = ******
Where the "*" values are the digits to your MSL.
Thanks to Rodya234 who compiled all this info and even though I am reposting his repost of my earlier less detailed guide.
I think it should just work seamlessly. As long as you are seeing LTE and your neighborhood has towers broadcasting on LTE bands 26 (800Mhz), 25 (1900Mhz g), and 41 (2500), it should just work, I assume.
mattrb said:
Hi, I want Sprint Tri-band activation because my neighborhood supports this. How do I make it work?
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Need MSL code from Sprint & go into engineering & LTE to enable B26/41.
Thanks, I have found the solution.
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according to the press release article in the sprint newsroom we(sprint) will get tri-band lte in "early 2014" look it up its like the second paragraph
http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-rel...-sprint-unlimited-data-guarantee-for-life.htm
shakuyi said:
according to the press release article in the sprint newsroom we(sprint) will get tri-band lte in "early 2014" look it up its like the second paragraph
http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-rel...-sprint-unlimited-data-guarantee-for-life.htm
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That is not true. I turned on my Tri-band last night and I am getting a better signal in Chicago. In fact, officially, Tri-band comes out friday with the release of other non-nexus tri-band phones.
Guide to get tri-band.
dialing *#*#3282#*#* > Under LTE > Goto Edit > Enter MSL code (Get from Sprint Support)> Enable Band 26 & Band 41 > Reboot
OK, so the phone comes with two LTE bands not working by default, and it takes an MSL code to get it working.
For those that don't go in and do this, how would Sprint later turn on those bands on the phone. Supposedly, future updates on the Google Play phones are to come from Google, not Sprint. So how does Sprint plan to magically turn on the bands later when they decide the phones should actually operate as Tri-band phones? I am phobic regarding any update that comes from Sprint, rather than Google.
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That is not true. I turned on my Tri-band last night and I am getting a better signal in Chicago. In fact, officially, Tri-band comes out friday with the release of other non-nexus tri-band phones.
Guide to get tri-band.
dialing *#*#3282#*#* > Under LTE > Goto Edit > Enter MSL code (Get from Sprint Support)> Enable Band 26 & Band 41 > Reboot
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Yeah they probably mean they'll update that setting in a profile update then. Or it needs some software for the chip to do the combination of the 3 frequencies.
Sprint can still send out profile and prl updates to your phone. These will activate the bands when sprint is ready to make it available.
thanks for this. saw an immediate increase from 14.42 Mbps Down / 5.86 Mbps Up to 22.17 Mbps Down / 12.60 Mbps Up. measured indoors, in San Antonio, TX
Is there a way to get your msl without calling Sprint?
Also would enabling the other bands have a negative affect on battery life?
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FYI, if you buy the phone outright and are still under contract on a different phone, Sprint will not release the code to you.
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I have the galaxy s4 and when I try to do this there is nowhere for me to change or update my bands in fact the oreder to get to the main menu is wrong starting from the gate.
##3282#>view/edit>msl code>menu
I feel like I am missing something or just looking in the wrong area or it just does not apply to my device.
TablezZ said:
I have the galaxy s4 and when I try to do this there is nowhere for me to change or update my bands in fact the oreder to get to the main menu is wrong starting from the gate.
##3282#>view/edit>msl code>menu
I feel like I am missing something or just looking in the wrong area or it just does not apply to my device.
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Sprint has not released a version of the S4 that is Spark compatible yet. The model number for the upcoming S4 will be SPH-L720T.
angus242 said:
Sprint has not released a version of the S4 that is Spark compatible yet. The model number for the upcoming S4 will be SPH-L720T.
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Ahhh thank you. That makes a lot of sense now. :good:
mjs2011 said:
Is there a way to get your msl without calling Sprint?
Also would enabling the other bands have a negative affect on battery life?
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angus242 said:
FYI, if you buy the phone outright and are still under contract on a different phone, Sprint will not release the code to you.
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No idea about battery. will have to see. I didn't have any trouble with getting the msl from chat rep. Told him i need to enable tri-band support and he gave it to me immediately. I just signed a contract 1 month ago upgrading to a samsung s4. Just test driving the new nexus 5 which i will give to my sister. Try another rep later...
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FYI, if you buy the phone outright and are still under contract on a different phone, Sprint will not release the code to you.
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I have to disagree. I got my MSL without hesitation from the Sprint Support. I'm under contract. I've also had no problem with other old ebay phones getting MSL.
mjs2011 said:
Is there a way to get your msl without calling Sprint?
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On older Sprint phones, you could use MSL reader apps. This Nexus did not accept this reader app.
mjs2011 said:
Also would enabling the other bands have a negative affect on battery life?
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My battery life will be fine if my signal is strong. I don't believe enabling bands affects battery. Battery loss from radio is when you use the phone far from the tower or your activation of bands in non-spark areas.
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mjs2011 said:
Is there a way to get your msl without calling Sprint?
Also would enabling the other bands have a negative affect on battery life?
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haven't noticed a change in my battery life since enabling all the bands. not sure about reading the MSL from the phone. only took me a couple of minutes on Chat to get it.
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FYI, if you buy the phone outright and are still under contract on a different phone, Sprint will not release the code to you.
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NOT true. i just signed a new 2-yr contract 5 months ago. i was able to activate my N5 (bought from the Play Store) through Chat and get my MSL w/o any problems
1lazysheep said:
NOT true. i just signed a new 2-yr contract 5 months ago. i was able to activate my N5 (bought from the Play Store) through Chat and get my MSL w/o any problems
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Just reporting what happened to me. Was on chat, sent to phone advanced tech support. Was told they would not release the MSL because I bought N5 from Google (not Sprint). I'm under contract from my old S3 until 6/6/14.
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Just reporting what happened to me. Was on chat, sent to phone advanced tech support.
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There you go, you went so high up the latter that they were overly cautious. Your average phone support person will give the MSL to you. Just tell them you need it for Spark.
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Edit: sorry all, I have discontinued my efforts due to no time. I apologize, hopefully there is someone who can figure this out and implement an easy fix.
Ok, so I have been slacking on actually getting this in the pipeline, but I did
unlock my Verizon GSIII day 1 with the generic code from the pre-order agreement. Per the pics that will follow my post, you will see that I do not have the SIM popup bugging me, and in fact am running the Verizon GSIII on AT&T EDGE:2 & GPRS. I am currently unable to pull APN's from AT&T, and do not currently have data. Voice works flawlessly, however.
For those who DIDN'T read, and signed their name on the dotted line because they want to be left in the dark to their own problems, here are the 2 generic unlock codes:
123456
or
000000
This should be entered in the popup you will receive from using an invalid SIM.
More to come.
Here are instructions for flashing to another CDMA network, credit MikeyCriggz.
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Please Note:
You must be on an AOSP ROM in order for this to work. If you're not on one and would like to keep the stock ROM, make a NANDROID backup and flash one (CM10, AOKP, etc.). I take no credit for this, I am only providing the information (all credits go to adam3rd for his post in the Motorola Bionic forums)
Before Starting:
Make sure your SIM card is NOT in your phone
Activate phone through Page Plus using the first 15 digits of the IMEI (drop the very last digit)
Download this Page Plus PRL file: http://www.4shared.com/file/qryS5x4T/51720_EVDO.html
Download CDMA Workshop 3.8 Demo: www.cdma-ware.com
I used CDMA Workshop 3.8 demo version to do this and can verify it works.
Let's Do This:
1) Put phone in diagnostic mode (here's how: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtcEop4Dhdk)
2) Download and install all necessary drivers here: http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/SCH-I535MBBVZW
3) Connect phone to computer via USB
4) Open CDMA Workshop & click on the "Ports" drop down menu. Select the one that says "diag", it should be at the bottom. If not, then open Windows Device Manager and find your device. Note what COM port it's connected to and select that in CMDA Workshop (for example: COM12).
5) Click "Connect" to connect phone
6) In the main tab, click "SPC" send "000000" to unlock your phone.
7) Go to the PRL tab to load the Page Plus PRL to your phone. Select "Write" and find the PRL you downloaded earlier. It should now write to your device.
8) Turn off phone and pull the battery.
9) Insert your SIM card and replace the battery. Power up and after boot your phone should go into OTA Programming (if not, then dial *22890)
10) Open the dialer and dial *#*#4636*#*# (it will prompt you for a passcode, type "000000"). Go to "Phone Information" and find the drop down menu that says "CDMA Auto PRL" and change it to "CDMA Only"
11) Back out of this and go back into the dialer. Dial ##program and go to "Test Mode". Press next until you see a screen that says something like "EVRC HDR Hybrid Mode". Change the Network Type to CDMA and back out to the main screen. Your phone will now restart.
12) Check Settings>Phone>Status and make sure the Mobile Network Type says CDMA 1XTT. You should now have 1X data, voice, and text.
13) Dial *#*#4636*#*# again (entering in the "000000" passcode when prompted) and go back to "Phone Information". Change the "CDMA Only" back to "CDMA Auto PRL". Back out until you are at the home screen
14) Power down, remove battery and SIM card, replace battery and power back up.
15) Dial ##program again and go back into "Test Mode". Hit "Next" until you're back at the screen that says "EVRC HDR Hybrid Mode" again. Change Network Type to EVDO and press back until your phone restarts.
16) Check Settings/Phone/Status and make sure the Mobile Network Type says "CDMA EvDo rev A". If it says eHRPD, then you need to redo steps 10 through 15 again.
17) Dial *#*#4636#*#* go and go back to "Phone Information". Change "CDMA Auto PRL" to "Unknown" and back out.
18) Check Settings/Phone/Status and make sure the Mobile Network Type says "CDMA EvDo rev A". If it says eHRPD, then you need to redo steps 10 through 15 again.
14) Power down your phone, replace the SIM card and power back up. You should now have 3G data, talk, and text.
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This would be nice to have. I usually travel outside the country once a year, so knowing my phone is unlocked would be great.
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Well, as of now voice works.
AtLemacks said:
but I did unlock my Verizon GSIII day 1 with the generic code from the pre-order agreement.
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Wait a second, what code is this? And where am I supposed to find it?
Yea someone else posted in another forum that he requested a code from verizon and everyone was saying what code how where what? The guy replied 'i guess im the only one who read the preorder agreement'
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I am watching this thread, for sure!
Yes, I also would like to find this agreement as well (I got my GS3 thorough a 3rd party reseller). I am on T Mobile BTW and Im 110% aware of the pitfalls regarding data any faster then Edge, believe me Ive been there before.
Im willing to be the Guinea pig here, what do we need to do?
AtLemacks said:
Ok, so I have been slacking on actually getting this in the pipeline, but I did unlock my Verizon GSIII day 1 with the generic code from the pre-order agreement. Per the pics that will follow my post, you will see that I do not have the SIM popup bugging me, and in fact am running the Verizon GSIII on AT&T EDGE:2 & GPRS. I am currently unable to pull APN's from AT&T, and do not currently have data. Voice works flawlessly, however.
More to come.
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It would be good to have a global SIII.
About APNs,I do not know anything so forgive my ignorance.... but on another phone I used a battery saving app whuch screwed up my data, and I finally got my data back by using Anycut, APN, then restore default APNs.. then rebooted and my data was restored.
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AtLemacks said:
Well, as of now voice works.
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Would you please post the text of the pre-order agreement you are talking about?
DROID3R said:
Yea someone else posted in another forum that he requested a code from verizon and everyone was saying what code how where what? The guy replied 'i guess im the only one who read the preorder agreement'
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That would be me.
kola1228 said:
Lol i guess he's the only one. Where do you even find this pre-order agreement??
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It is the agreement you "signed" if you pre-ordered online.
JDMpire said:
I am watching this thread, for sure!
Yes, I also would like to find this agreement as well (I got my GS3 thorough a 3rd party reseller). I am on T Mobile BTW and Im 110% aware of the pitfalls regarding data any faster then Edge, believe me Ive been there before.
Im willing to be the Guinea pig here, what do we need to do?
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If you are using the T-Mobile version you aren't of any help to me right now. I am working on getting only the Verizon version working.
griffis said:
It would be good to have a global SIII.
About APNs,I do not know anything so forgive my ignorance.... but on another phone I used a battery saving app whuch screwed up my data, and I finally got my data back by using Anycut, APN, then restore default APNs.. then rebooted and my data was restored.
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I have already tried all of the common routes. The settings menu crashes/force closes anytime I try to restore defaults or anything like that. The *#*#4636#*#* menu is the only one that I can actually make changes in that stick. Anything in the network settings crashes.
satadru said:
Would you please post the text of the pre-order agreement you are talking about?
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Did you pre-order online? If so, should have read it, if not, that's why you don't have one!
See the codes in the OP.
Thanks
AtLemacks said:
Ok, so I have been slacking on actually getting this in the pipeline, but I did unlock my Verizon GSIII day 1 with the generic code from the pre-order agreement. Per the pics that will follow my post, you will see that I do not have the SIM popup bugging me, and in fact am running the Verizon GSIII on AT&T EDGE:2 & GPRS. I am currently unable to pull APN's from AT&T, and do not currently have data. Voice works flawlessly, however.
For those who DIDN'T read, and signed their name on the dotted line because they with to be left in the dark to their own problems, here are the 2 generic unlock codes:
123456
or
000000
This should be entered in the popup you will receive from using an invalid SIM.
More to come.
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I heard somewhere that now you will not be able to switch back to CDMA
Dumb question but are you using an active AT&T sim card in your verizon g3? Or what sim card do you have in the phone?
OP, have you switched back to Verizon's network? Did everything work?
dincodee said:
I heard somewhere that now you will not be able to switch back to CDMA
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That's false as I'm replying to you right now over cdma 3g.
mb27 said:
Dumb question but are you using an active AT&T sim card in your verizon g3? Or what sim card do you have in the phone?
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Active, I have a line on AT&T that I'm using my Rezound on.
NOsquid said:
OP, have you switched back to Verizon's network? Did everything work?
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Yes and Yes.
kola1228 said:
Could you please spare us the lecture and provide the text?
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Last time I checked I don't work for you.
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I just had an epiphany. I realized I had both phones on AT&T SIM card at the same time. Will turn off Rezound when I get home and try again.
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For those concerned about going back to cdma/lte. And before speculation occurs, I don't have a gsm s3. I have 2 phones right now and that's the Rezound and s3.
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AtLemacks said:
If you are using the T-Mobile version you aren't of any help to me right now. I am working on getting only the Verizon version working.
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Who said anything about having the T Mobile version. I said I was trying to get it working on T Mobiles network, not that I had the GSM version of the S3.
If I need to put it in writing so you can see, I HAVE THE VERIZON S3.
JDMpire said:
Who said anything about having the T Mobile version. I said I was trying to get it working on T Mobiles network, not that I had the GSM version of the S3.
If I need to put it in writing so you can see, I HAVE THE VERIZON S3.
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This is all you said:
Yes, I also would like to find this agreement as well (I got my GS3 thorough a 3rd party reseller). I am on T Mobile BTW and Im 110% aware of the pitfalls regarding data any faster then Edge, believe me Ive been there before.
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Being that this is a melting pot of US GS3 and we have other users from other providers posting, just stating you are on TMo only tells me that you are on TMo, not that you have the d2vzw device.
You may have not read above, but getting pissy with me isn't going to convince me to help you. I am doing this on MY free time for free for everyone's benefit. I could just as easily move this to my own website and charge for it, but it isn't even worth it. So until people stop acting like they are owed something or getting an attitude with me, I will continue to take my sweet time. :good:
Let keep the childish trolling to a non existence. I do not wish to close this thread or have to issue out any infraction but I can be easily persuaded
AtLemacks said:
I just had an epiphany. I realized I had both phones on AT&T SIM card at the same time. Will turn off Rezound when I get home and try again.
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Anything come of this?
Don't see a forum for Samsung s4 google edition so I am posting here.
Anyone else having an issue when trying to activate this phone on ATT? They act like they never heard of it, give all these lame "well we cannot gaurantee it will work since it's unlocked" and then telling me their system will not allow them to put a LTE plan on it..
wtf?
puma1 said:
Don't see a forum for Samsung s4 google edition so I am posting here.
Anyone else having an issue when trying to activate this phone on ATT? They act like they never heard of it, give all these lame "well we cannot gaurantee it will work since it's unlocked" and then telling me their system will not allow them to put a LTE plan on it..
wtf?
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Noticed a couple threads similar over the various s4 sections.
I'm in Canada but know that my device is not required by my provider it enable data. I change devices about every 8 months and can just swap out the SIM and I'm good to go.
If AT&T has issues with the Google edition s4 couldn't you just say that it's a normal s4 bought of eBay or Craig's list to have an lte data plan enabled?
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mymusicathome said:
Noticed a couple threads similar over the various s4 sections.
I'm in Canada but know that my device is not required by my provider it enable data. I change devices about every 8 months and can just swap out the SIM and I'm good to go.
If AT&T has issues with the Google edition s4 couldn't you just say that it's a normal s4 bought of eBay or Craig's list to have an lte data plan enabled?
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No because in the IMEI comes up as unlocked device in their system and they pretty much are trying to get you off the phone at that point. Tried 3 diffrent reps and asked to be connected to next tier tech support.
Another update.. I gave them an IMEI from a note 2 i have.. LTE plan went on fine.. but the phone doesn't get anything more than hspa+.. 4mb down. THis is BS.. if they cannot connect the phone or I have to jump through hoops like I had to with the NExus 4 (which i had to call in like every month to have something reset) I am going to just send it back Not worth the headache.
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No because in the IMEI comes up as unlocked device in their system and they pretty much are trying to get you off the phone at that point. Tried 3 diffrent reps and asked to be connected to next tier tech support.
Another update.. I gave them an IMEI from a note 2 i have.. LTE plan went on fine.. but the phone doesn't get anything more than hspa+.. 4mb down. THis is BS.. if they cannot connect the phone or I have to jump through hoops like I had to with the NExus 4 (which i had to call in like every month to have something reset) I am going to just send it back Not worth the headache.
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Might want to give it a little bit. Or go for a walk/drive. Sometimes it can take time to lock on to the correct tower
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mymusicathome said:
Might want to give it a little bit. Or go for a walk/drive. Sometimes it can take time to lock on to the correct tower
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Doubt it.. got escalated up to manager,.. basically you will not get lte on these devices. Only on att branded phones. That is the message I am being told directly. This is total BS I f'n hate ATT. Whoever is buying this for ATT beware.. your going to have a bad time. I am sending this right back as it's just as crippled as the nexus 4 with this carrier.
I bought a I9505 and had same issue (no LTE).
I have 3 lines with AT&T and I could watch the AT&T website update as I used different SIMs in the I S4, the Vivid and a Nexus 7 (3G).
I was lucky that I bought the i S4 from Amazon so no problem with refund.
I suspect if you had a never used SIM and a S4 IMEI you could get LTE.
One line was ready for an upgrade.
I got the AT&T S4 and used an 'old' SIM and connected to LTE with no problem.
As soon as I bought the AT&T S4 an email was sent and it provided a process for on line registration of the S4.
I've never seen that before and didn't do it.
I got my GE on AT&T today. My notification bar says LTE. I ran some speed tests and got about 10 mbps down but I am at work in a poor reception area. When I get home I'll try it but I better get at least 40 mpbs down or this is being returned
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I got my GE on AT&T today. My notification bar says LTE. I ran some speed tests and got about 10 mbps down but I am at work in a poor reception area. When I get home I'll try it but I better get at least 40 mpbs down or this is being returned
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Sheriffa, how did you activate it when yuo got it?
I ended up giving them an imei from a note 2 and they said they were able to put an LTE plan on.. yet the signal bar shows H.
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Sheriffa, how did you activate it when yuo got it?
I ended up giving them an imei from a note 2 and they said they were able to put an LTE plan on.. yet the signal bar shows H.
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I didn't have to activate it. I simply plugged in my sim card and it worked.
I am coming from an AT&T S3
sheriffa said:
I didn't have to activate it. I simply plugged in my sim card and it worked.
I am coming from an AT&T S3
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I am going to just return this I think if I try elsewhere later and stil get slow speeds. Just was shocked multiple people saying they do not support it. I even contacted google and let them know. Doubt they care.
Just get a imei number from a att phone and give it to them, it'll work. I had to do this with my galaxy nexus to get full hspa+
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What should we be getting for DL/UL speeds?
Why would you call to activate it? Just pop in your Sim card and your good to go. I never had an issue doing this and I get lots of different phones unlocked and from different countries some times.
But I agree why is there no forums for this phone? Does motochopper root method work on this phone and I assume we can use T-Mobile version recoveries and Roms fine on this phone? Does anybody know? Sorry to get off topic.
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If you already have a LTE SIM on ATT from another phone just pop it into the GE and it will work just fine. If you do not you will have to go through the process the OP is taking about as the IMEI is not loaded as a LTE device and they will need to put one in for you to activate the LTE.
Saves a lot of time and headaches to already have an LTE SIM for ATT.
planoman said:
If you already have a LTE SIM on ATT from another phone just pop it into the GE and it will work just fine. If you do not you will have to go through the process the OP is taking about as the IMEI is not loaded as a LTE device and they will need to put one in for you to activate the LTE.
Saves a lot of time and headaches to already have an LTE SIM for ATT.
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How can someone tell if the have an lte sim?
planoman said:
If you already have a LTE SIM on ATT from another phone just pop it into the GE and it will work just fine. If you do not you will have to go through the process the OP is taking about as the IMEI is not loaded as a LTE device and they will need to put one in for you to activate the LTE.
Saves a lot of time and headaches to already have an LTE SIM for ATT.
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Just FYI if you do this and have tethering/hotspot in your plan then you will need to call AT&T so they can add the new IMEI. THey will also delete the old one on file, so if you're into swapping SIMs (I like to go between the iPhone 5 and S4, although in the past few weeks it's been all S4), then you won't be able to turn on hotspot/tethering without arranging a workaround or calling AT&T every time.
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I am going to just return this I think if I try elsewhere later and stil get slow speeds. Just was shocked multiple people saying they do not support it. I even contacted google and let them know. Doubt they care.
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check to see if you have the right APNs.
I saw over in the HTC ONE forum that the GE came with a weird APN.
PTA or ATT PHONE
Take it to ATT store. They are pretty good compared to technical support over the phone.
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How can someone tell if the have an lte sim?
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I guess is more accurate to say was previously on ATT LTE with a phone. Every should know if they have been on ATT LTE already. If not you have to spend some time on the phone with ATT.
just do it and swap the sim card in. i have never had a problem with service or data when getting a new device and putting the AT&T sim in it. went from S3 to S4 that way, also S3 to Sony Xperia Z, Xperia Z to S4, S4 to S3, etc.
Hello,
I'm coming from a Nexus 4, and have never had an LTE phone on my AT&T account before. I've read that since AT&T doesn't have Nexus 5 in their system, that it will be a hassle for them to activate LTE through the phone. I can't really find any concrete answers or info, so I figured I'd stop by here and see if anyone has any ideas?
Does AT&T have to activate LTE on their end for it to work? Or can I just adjust my APN once I get the phone?
Has anyone had any issues with this at all? How did you get around it?
Thanks in advance!
I would like to know too... Im thinking about switching over my corporate account from VZW to ATT and I ordered a Nexus 5 to try out ATT coverage in my area first. I was going to head into the ATT store tomorrow, now Im worried I won't be able to get it setup (Im not familiar with how ATT works). Do I need to get a IMEI from a phone in the store and give to them? I don't get my N5 until tomorrow night and I was planning on going the store tomorrow morning and getting either Gophone or shared plan SIM setup so I can pop it in when the phone arrives. Will they need an IMEI to even get me an account activated?
If they need an IMEI at activation, would it matter if I didn't have the device in front of me, like if I tell them I ordered a S4 and gave them a IMEI from one? Do I need to find someone on ATT to give me their IMEI and tell them at the store I have it ordered? Sorry if these request are way off based on how it actually works, but I want to be able to test out my N5 tomorrow night! Thanks for any help you can give me..
EDIT: In the ATT world, would It be considered shady for me to tell them all this info? For instance if I told the salesmen this problem and asked if they could use an IMEI off one of their phones?
maniamania said:
Hello,
I'm coming from a Nexus 4, and have never had an LTE phone on my AT&T account before. I've read that since AT&T doesn't have Nexus 5 in their system, that it will be a hassle for them to activate LTE through the phone. I can't really find any concrete answers or info, so I figured I'd stop by here and see if anyone has any ideas?
Does AT&T have to activate LTE on their end for it to work? Or can I just adjust my APN once I get the phone?
Has anyone had any issues with this at all? How did you get around it?
Thanks in advance!
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I'm assuming that this will work similar to how it worked for the N4 and enabling HSPA+ on AT&T.
You will need an LTE plan added to your account. It won't cost more, but the account needs to enable the LTE service. In order to do this, I believe AT&T will need an IMEI. Since the IMEI will not be recognized, then you need to get another AT&T LTE device's IMEI code. Maybe a friend? I know some people would copy it off a demo device in the store.
Good luck.
FWIW: I put my LTE sim in the phone and everything was autoenabled correctly. This was better than with the N4 where it autoenabled wrong, and I had to change the settings.
I'll clarify this, AT&T has different data plans. They have all their data plans for 3g phone (3g data unlimited), and all their 4g data plans. You can not get 4g unless your data plan has been switched to the 4g version. You can keep your unlimited plans with this. Just call and ask them to switch your data plan to the lte version.
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I'm assuming that this will work similar to how it worked for the N4 and enabling HSPA+ on AT&T.
You will need an LTE plan added to your account. It won't cost more, but the account needs to enable the LTE service. In order to do this, I believe AT&T will need an IMEI. Since the IMEI will not be recognized, then you need to get another AT&T LTE device's IMEI code. Maybe a friend? I know some people would copy it off a demo device in the store.
Good luck.
FWIW: I put my LTE sim in the phone and everything was autoenabled correctly. This was better than with the N4 where it autoenabled wrong, and I had to change the settings.
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So, to clarify, did you just activate LTE with an N5 coming from an N4 and it went smoothly?
maniamania said:
Hello,
I'm coming from a Nexus 4, and have never had an LTE phone on my AT&T account before. I've read that since AT&T doesn't have Nexus 5 in their system, that it will be a hassle for them to activate LTE through the phone. I can't really find any concrete answers or info, so I figured I'd stop by here and see if anyone has any ideas?
Does AT&T have to activate LTE on their end for it to work? Or can I just adjust my APN once I get the phone?
Has anyone had any issues with this at all? How did you get around it?
Thanks in advance!
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i'm in the same boat, i'll know for sure when i get the n5 tomorrow but from what i've seen AT&T does have to provision your SIM for LTE. My plan is to goto an AT&T store and ask them if they can get my sim sorted; if they screw around or say they "can't" help me then i'll either grab an imei from one of the demo phones or from a buddy and call them and give them that.
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i'm in the same boat, i'll know for sure when i get the n5 tomorrow but from what i've seen AT&T does have to provision your SIM for LTE. My plan is to goto an AT&T store and ask them if they can get my sim sorted; if they screw around or say they "can't" help me then i'll either grab an imei from one of the demo phones or from a buddy and call them and give them that.
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This looks to be the thing to do. I just had someone inform me that they brought the phone into AT&T, and the guy punched in the numbers off the sticker on the back, gave him a sim and he was good to go. I'll make sure to come back here and report my own findings first hand since this question seems to be floating around a bit.
maniamania said:
This looks to be the thing to do. I just had someone inform me that they brought the phone into AT&T, and the guy punched in the numbers off the sticker on the back, gave him a sim and he was good to go. I'll make sure to come back here and report my own findings first hand since this question seems to be floating around a bit.
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Do identical IMEI numbers conflict if its already on the network? Can I use the same identical IMEI from a friends ATT phone or do I need to change some numbers?
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Do identical IMEI numbers conflict if its already on the network? Can I use the same identical IMEI from a friends ATT phone or do I need to change some numbers?
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I've read imei's are never checked
I already had an LTE Sim. I just used the LTE Sim in my n4.
check out the thread I made for a very simple solution! It'll get LTE working on the N5 through AT&T guaranteed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2512566
College Station, November 4, 2013 Verified - LTE addon
I can verify coming from a "Nexus S" BYOD.
I went to an AT&T Store in College Station, TX to get a new microSIM because the Nexus 5 only takes microSIM form factor.
I then got an LTE signal, but no IP address.
Chatted online and they told me to wait 1 hour then reboot the phone. Did so.. same response, gets on the LTE network fast, but nevers gets an IP address.
So I then called 611 on the Nexus 5 and talked to Tech Support, told them:
1. I have never had an LTE phone before and thought I needed LTE service added to my Account Profile.
2. I wanted "No changed to my legacy Unlimited plan"
They told me
1. My "legacy Unlimited plan had just been removed by 'mistake' and would have to be restored by the (backoffice)"
2. They were updating my account to enable LTE service
I then had to reboot the phone, did so and the Internet service came right up.
Now I have to wait up to 72 hours for AT&T backoffice to confirm they have restored my Unlimited plan.
I put a pass-code on my Account, and strenuously stress every time.. DO NOT TOUCH MY UNLIMITED PLAN !!!! -- And they do it any way.
.. exasperated ...
They also do not know what a "Nexus 5" phone is yet.. so I think only the call in Tech Support can interpolate what to do. I think the kee was to keep calling it an "LTE enabled Nexus 4" and then things just "worked".
spitefulcheerio said:
check out the thread I made for a very simple solution! It'll get LTE working on the N5 through AT&T guaranteed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2512566
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This thread's a great resource. Thanks!
Just wondering does anyone think/know if the nexus 5 will be able to utilize Verizon network since they will be offering the nexus 6 and the nexus 5 is compatible with their network?
It sure would be nice to have my nexus 5 moved to Verizon. And this is not an actual question just thinking out loud rather. In any case if this needs to be moved then by all means mod please move it.
Also Verizon now has the bring your own device program as long as its compatible with their network.
No, no it wont
A new phone comes out that works on said network. This obviously means the old phone that doesn't will suddenly work too right? Use your brain.
Not to be a downer but this has been asked multiple upon multiple times on the Nexus 5 forum, a simple google search would have given you the answer you needed.
Technically it is compatible since it works on Sprint and someone stuck a Verizon SIM in and got LTE. You probably could do Page Plus or similar since they can add ESNs.
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MrObvious said:
Technically it is compatible since it works on Sprint and someone stuck a Verizon SIM in and got LTE. You probably could do Page Plus or similar since they can add ESNs.
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no no no no. Its compatible with 1 freq band and from what ive read its only LTE and VOlte that works, which means 99% of the places you go it wont work
There is only data. No voice.
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no no no no. Its compatible with 1 freq band and from what ive read its only LTE and VOlte that works, which means 99% of the places you go it wont work
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Well the phone is compatible based off the bands the radio utilizes. My question is since Verizon is opening up to what phones can be used on their network is there anyone who works for Verizon know of they have plans of allowing the nexus 5.
Their prepaid Boyd allows you to bring a Verizon branded phone and or compatible phone, not sure about the last part because the wording is confusing.
Also Verizon allowing the nexus 6 to work on their network could be a stepping stone as they have the same bands. Google has said they will not be discontinuing the nexus 5 which makes the phone still relevant.
Again I am just seeking anyone with knowledge as to if Verizon with the changes they have been making will allow the ESN to be added to their data base and the phone used on their network.
Right now it won't work. What they do in the future, only Verizon can answer. ?
OK so I stand corrected about the LTE bands. But if you can get the ESN added or use a prepaid or MVNO you should be golden. There is a thread on flashing CDMA. But my point is it isn't 100% negatively impossible.
If you have decent AT&T coverage and don't want to pay for it though, Cricket is a good option as well.
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OK so I stand corrected about the LTE bands. But if you can get the ESN added or use a prepaid or MVNO you should be golden. There is a thread on flashing CDMA. But my point is it isn't 100% negatively impossible.
If you have decent AT&T coverage and don't want to pay for it though, Cricket is a good option as well.
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It is currently at this time, 100% impossible to get a nexus 5 useable on Verizon.
I guess people don't read the older Verizon and the n5 threads, and/or they just don't believe them, and do everything all over again(like its a new idea). then they realize the truth later on. anyways, you can use your n5 data only on Verizon, and use the hangouts dialer with your google number to make calls over data. but that's it.
simms22 said:
I guess people don't read the older Verizon and the n5 threads, and/or they just don't believe them, and do everything all over again(like its a new idea). then they realize the truth later on. anyways, you can use your n5 data only on Verizon, and use the hangouts dialer with your google number to make calls over data. but that's it.
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No they don't.
Here is one such thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2505847
simms22 said:
I guess people don't read the older Verizon and the n5 threads, and/or they just don't believe them, and do everything all over again(like its a new idea). then they realize the truth later on. anyways, you can use your n5 data only on Verizon, and use the hangouts dialer with your google number to make calls over data. but that's it.
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and its only if you have a LTE connection. once you leave LTE area, you get nothing.
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and its only if you have a LTE connection. once you leave LTE area, you get nothing.
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right
I'm honestly surprised these threads don't get locked since there's so many of them. One of the others should be pinned so that people can stop asking this.
UPDATE: Droid Life confirms unlocked Pixel works on Verizon. :good:
I just wanted some clarification on this.
I've been getting some conflicting information around this question, so I wanted to post it here in case anyone knows.
Can the unlocked Pixel purchased from the Google Store be used on Verizon?
I bought the 5X and 6P unlocked from the Google Store and have used them both on Project Fi and Verizon. I just wanted to know if I could do the same with the Pixel.
Thanks and sorry if this has been explained clearly elsewhere.
sethwalters said:
I just wanted some clarification on this.
I've been getting some conflicting information around this question, so I wanted to post it here in case anyone knows.
Can the unlocked Pixel purchased from the Google Store be used on Verizon?
I bought the 5X and 6P unlocked from the Google Store and have used them both on Project Fi and Verizon. I just wanted to know if I could do the same with the Pixel.
Thanks and sorry if this has been explained clearly elsewhere.
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Yes. It is compatible with CDMA and all of Verizon's LTE bands, and the description in the Google store says it's compatible with all major US carriers. However, you won't be able to use features that require Verizon software like wifi calling and VoLTE. Personally, I don't care about those things. I'm on Verizon and I'm seriously considering buying from the Google store.
You'll need an activated Verizon nano SIM card though.
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However, you won't be able to use features that require Verizon software like wifi calling and VoLTE.
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I'm not sure that's true. For example, my unlocked Nexus 6 purchased from Motorola is able to use VoLTE. I don't have wifi calling, but I don't think Nexus 6 has wifi calling at all for Verizon, as it doesn't show up as a supported device: https://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/wificalling/
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I'm not sure that's true. For example, my unlocked Nexus 6 purchased from Motorola is able to use VoLTE. I don't have wifi calling, but I don't think Nexus 6 has wifi calling at all for Verizon, as it doesn't show up as a supported device: https://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/wificalling/
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You might be right about that. We won't know until someone tries it.
sethwalters said:
I just wanted some clarification on this.
I've been getting some conflicting information around this question, so I wanted to post it here in case anyone knows.
Can the unlocked Pixel purchased from the Google Store be used on Verizon?
I bought the 5X and 6P unlocked from the Google Store and have used them both on Project Fi and Verizon. I just wanted to know if I could do the same with the Pixel.
Thanks and sorry if this has been explained clearly elsewhere.
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Good question. I suspect the answer is you'll be able to use it, the question is just how degraded the experience will be. When the Nexus 6 launched there were several problems with using the unlocked version:
The bring-your-own-device discount did not show up for unlocked Nexus 6, only Verizon-purchased Nexus 6
It was extremely difficult to activate a new SIM on the phone
They did eventually reinstate the discount after many people filed complaints with the FCC.
I didn't follow the 6P/5X launch very closely... how did those work on Verizon? That might give a better clue than the Nexus 6 launch since it's more recent.
stevexyz0 said:
Good question. I suspect the answer is you'll be able to use it, the question is just how degraded the experience will be. When the Nexus 6 launched there were several problems with using the unlocked version:
The bring-your-own-device discount did not show up for unlocked Nexus 6, only Verizon-purchased Nexus 6
It was extremely difficult to activate a new SIM on the phone
They did eventually reinstate the discount after many people filed complaints with the FCC.
I didn't follow the 6P/5X launch very closely... how did those work on Verizon? That might give a better clue than the Nexus 6 launch since it's more recent.
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If it's like it was on my 6p, then plug in your nano sim and go! I've had zero issues with Big Red over the last year, and Volte is working fine and dandy [emoji106]
Badger50 said:
If it's like it was on my 6p, then plug in your nano sim and go! I've had zero issues with Big Red over the last year, and Volte is working fine and dandy [emoji106]
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To clarify, you got your 6P unlocked from Google/whoever, not Verizon? And Verizon is giving you the $25/month discount (assuming you are not under contract)?
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stevexyz0 said:
To clarify, you got your 6P unlocked from Google/whoever, not Verizon? And Verizon is giving you the $25/month discount (assuming you are not under contract)?
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You are correct. Got the phone from Google, plugged in my Verizon sim and it's still working fine. I'm not under contract, I never am, however, not seeing any $25 discount from Big Red. Guess they keep that for themselves [emoji16]
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Pardon me, I'm from Canada where we haven't had any CDMA for years. Aren't Sprint and Verizon CDMA whole at&t and T-Mobile are GSM? How would one phone work across all the networks? And, at least last time we had CDMA up here, you didn't use a SIM card with it. Has that changed? Just curious, it doesn't affect me at all.
Badger50 said:
You are correct. Got the phone from Google, plugged in my Verizon sim and it's still working fine. I'm not under contract, I never am, however, not seeing any $25 discount from Big Red. Guess they keep that for themselves [emoji16]
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I wouldn't call paying $300/year extra "fine". You might want to look into it, I believe you have to request the discount. It's been a while since I dealt with this though.
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I wouldn't call paying $300/year extra "fine". You might want to look into it, I believe you have to request the discount. It's been a while since I dealt with this though.
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Good info my friend. Thanks for the tip [emoji106]
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Badger50 said:
If it's like it was on my 6p, then plug in your nano sim and go! I've had zero issues with Big Red over the last year, and Volte is working fine and dandy [emoji106]
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Hey dude... I recently switched over to Verizon, and have had a 6P since launch last year. Was wondering, what exactly is voLTE, is there something special that has to be done to make it work, and do you know IF there is any way to get wifi calling to work? I do tend to need it since at times I don't get good reception...
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voLTE is just voice over LTE which you already have which basically means voice and data simultaneously. And no WiFi calling calling available on Verizon. At least not to my knowledge anyway [emoji106]
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Just to add...
My son's 6p works great on Verizon. He has VoLTE and get's the non contract discount. Never had a problem with it. I had the original Google Play store Nexus 6 and ran into problems initially. But like someone else stated, everything is fine now. I even bought an unlocked one not too long ago and had no issues with it. I don't think we will have any problems with the Pixels.
Droid Life confirms unlocked Pixel works on Verizon. :good:
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To clarify, you got your 6P unlocked from Google/whoever, not Verizon? And Verizon is giving you the $25/month discount (assuming you are not under contract)?
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I also want to confirm that with the Nexus 5X from Google (rooted and custom ROM) works flawlessly on Verizon and I get the $25/mo access discount on the line. VoLTE works great. I just select the Enhanced 4G LTE Mode under Cellular networks menu on the settings.
DrunkFuX666 said:
Hey dude... I recently switched over to Verizon, and have had a 6P since launch last year. Was wondering, what exactly is voLTE, is there something special that has to be done to make it work, and do you know IF there is any way to get wifi calling to work? I do tend to need it since at times I don't get good reception...
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VoLTE is Voice over LTE. It means voice calls are transmitted over the new LTE network instead of the legacy CDMA network (or GSM in the case of carriers besides Verizon/Sprint).
It's important because if your phone has only a half-duplex modem, as most recent CDMA phones starting around the time of Droid Turbo and Nexus 6 do, you can't conduct a voice call (circuit switched) and have an LTE data connection (packet switched) at the same time. (Interestingly GSM carriers can do a GSM voice stream and LTE data stream at the same time with a half-duplex modem since there's a standard for doing that, but it's not possible with CDMA and LTE without a more expensive full-duplex modem.)
How can you tell if VoLTE is working for you? Turn off wifi for the purpose of the test, if you're connected to a wifi network (you're testing whether you can do data over the cell network, not wifi, while a call is ongoing). Verify the "LTE" logo shows up next to the cell signal strength indicator. Place a voice call. If the "LTE" logo disappears while the voice call is ongoing, you don't have VoLTE. If it remains, you're good. Most importantly, try using data e.g. web browser over cellular data while on a voice call.
What if the VoLTE test doesn't work? On your My Verizon account, go to My Plan & Services -> Manage Products & Apps , and make sure "HD Voice" (they used to call it Advanced Calling) is enabled. On your Nexus Settings, go to Wireless & Networks -> More -> Cellular Networks, and turn on "Enhanced 4G LTE Mode" if it isn't already. Note that turning on HD Voice on your Verizon account requires you to switch to either Basic or Premium Visual Voicemail -- the old fashioned voice mail doesn't work with it.
What's the difference between VoLTE and HD Voice? VoLTE is about the connection from your phone to the Verizon tower, and it applies no matter whom you are calling; it enables simultaneous voice and data. HD Voice is a high-bandwidth codec for much better sounding voice calls, but the other end has to support it too, so it only works if you have VoLTE (HD Voice over non-LTE is theoretically possible but Verizon doesn't support it) AND if the person you are calling supports HD Voice too (e.g. another recent Nexus or iPhone that's correctly configured). You can tell if HD Voice is working because the "HD" icon will appear in the dialer AFTER THE OTHER PERSON PICKS UP THE CALL, but you won't even need to look for the icon because the call will sound so vastly better that it will be obvious.
What about Wifi calling on Verizon? They actually DO support it, but not on Nexus devices. Here is their FAQ and list of supported devices, which does not include Nexus 6/6P. I have personally seen it working on a Verizon iPhone so I know they have it. And, according to this, the Pixel will support wifi calling on Verizon!
craig0r said:
Pardon me, I'm from Canada where we haven't had any CDMA for years. Aren't Sprint and Verizon CDMA whole at&t and T-Mobile are GSM? How would one phone work across all the networks? And, at least last time we had CDMA up here, you didn't use a SIM card with it. Has that changed? Just curious, it doesn't affect me at all.
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The Pixel, along with many "international" phones, supports both CDMA and GSM networks. And yes, CDMA carriers like Verizon started using SIM cards several years ago. I think it's necessary in order to offer LTE compatibility, but I don't know the details.
TheSt33v said:
The Pixel, along with many "international" phones, supports both CDMA and GSM networks. And yes, CDMA carriers like Verizon started using SIM cards several years ago. I think it's necessary in order to offer LTE compatibility, but I don't know the details.
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LTE is GSM based at it's core, so basically yes LTE is the reason for CDMA carriers adding sim cards.
CDMA will eventually disappear completely as VOLTE replaces 2g and 3g for both voice and data transmission.
Wi-Fi calling is the only question, but even if it requires some proprietary VZW bull, an unlocked bootloader should let us flash their image if it ended up being necessary, but that's a last resort I don't expect to face...