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Anyone else surpised/impressed/both with Huawei's new phones?

Huawei...I didn't even know how to spell the name a month ago and I thought that Huawei phones were all about being cheap and crappy.And then BANG!MWC happened and Huawei was there with a quad-core phone with specs that match the top offerings by brands well-positioned in the industry,like HTC and LG.And I was like "WTF?".
Does anyone else feel the same?Depending on the price,I might be getting an Ascend D Quad,just to see how it fares(I have some stuff to sell ).Maybe we are looking at a big surprise?Share your opinions!

Here in Memphis they're notorious for cheap phones, but people love them. Otter boxes stay sold out.
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That device really looks nice, but I don't trust them yet to buy it. Well, let's wait to see some reviews and owner's opinion

I think the price will be the most important thing here

voongoto said:
I think the price will be the most important thing here
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100% agreed.They don't have others' brand name yet,but they sure can go with some really aggressive pricing.And imagine a 400€ quad-core phone with HD screen.It's gonna be a killer.
luid666 said:
That device really looks nice, but I don't trust them yet to buy it. Well, let's wait to see some reviews and owner's opinion
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That's what I'm saying here.It could possibly be the best offering around for the foreseeable,but how can we know?I'd expect it from Samsung or HTC,maybe even Sony and LG,but Huawei?They took us all by surprise.
vetvito said:
Here in Memphis they're notorious for cheap phones, but people love them. Otter boxes stay sold out.
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Really?Hmm...I knew about cheap,but I didn't know about popular.But still,we were talking about cheap low-end phones,not high-end.Let's see how they do there...

^ yeah, a carrier named Cricket carries a bunch of models made by them. A couple of my friends have them.
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vetvito said:
^ yeah, a carrier named Cricket carries a bunch of models made by them. A couple of my friends have them.
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And how are they quality wise?They may be cheap,but having a good value-for-money ratio is crucial nowadays.
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$150 for a phone with no contract. Build quality is the same as a old HTC Hero, same specs too. They have 1ghz models as well.
The launcher they use is pretty cool.
They run the same apps as me, so my friends aren't complaining.
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The quad core seems nice, but from why I've seen in there other phones, the software isn't very optimized with the phone and they don't seem to have there own tweaks
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Want to hear more details about the SoC that they built.
The part about it being related in some way to a 64 bit architecture interests me very much. Also wanna know the gpu used, Oh do I hope it's a sgx 544.
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tolis626 said:
100% agreed.They don't have others' brand name yet,but they sure can go with some really aggressive pricing.And imagine a 400€ quad-core phone with HD screen.It's gonna be a killer.
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I do hope Huawei becomes the first guys to start driving the high-end price down. Everyone's pretty much been charging in a similar ballpark as iPhone, and Android can stand to gain much more traction offering comparable competition at $400, for example. I don't really doubt the Windows Phones would follow suit (though who knows about Apple; I can see them trying to continue and being turned into a dinosaur like in that same old story) and in the end, the consumers win.
After all, the truth is we probably have more features than we need anyway atm (though it pains me to say it, what with my rooting for waterproofing and Ubuntu for Android) and maybe it's time for a cost-cutting phase of the development cycle. Reduced increase of features combined with a greater reduction of price.
Course, whether or not this ends up happening is all Huawei's show. They've been getting a lot of publicity as the guy who's starting to make legit high-end phones, and it's all up to them to usher in this kind of paradigm. (The other manufacturers certainly won't.)

thebobp said:
I do hope Huawei becomes the first guys to start driving the high-end price down. Everyone's pretty much been charging in a similar ballpark as iPhone, and Android can stand to gain much more traction offering comparable competition at $400, for example. I don't really doubt the Windows Phones would follow suit (though who knows about Apple; I can see them trying to continue and being turned into a dinosaur like in that same old story) and in the end, the consumers win.
After all, the truth is we probably have more features than we need anyway atm (though it pains me to say it, what with my rooting for waterproofing and Ubuntu for Android) and maybe it's time for a cost-cutting phase of the development cycle. Reduced increase of features combined with a greater reduction of price.
Course, whether or not this ends up happening is all Huawei's show. They've been getting a lot of publicity as the guy who's starting to make legit high-end phones, and it's all up to them to usher in this kind of paradigm. (The other manufacturers certainly won't.)
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Yep,these are my thoughts.Samsung or HTC or any of the others don't see the need to reduce prices.Why would they after all?BUT,if someone put pressure on them,things might change.For the time being,500-600€ are too much for,say,a student.

I am really impressed with the Ascend D Quad. Depending on the price, it can really compete with top Android OEMs. Btw, does Huawei have their own UI on top of the android os?

jeronski said:
I am really impressed with the Ascend D Quad. Depending on the price, it can really compete with top Android OEMs. Btw, does Huawei have their own UI on top of the android os?
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Nope,and that's the beauty of it.
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tolis626 said:
Nope,and that's the beauty of it.
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How reliable is your source for this; this would be awesome! Not only are the UI's starting to be seen as bloatware, but they would be able to release updates probably much sooner than their competitors. Price and market it right, ride the free publicity they've been getting, and Huawei could very well become the next Android standard bearer.

More competition is always welcome. I only hope they'll manage to deliver good quality for a low price. Ascend P1 S looks promising too.

Never really thought about it until now, but we're getting raped

...figuratively, of course. I spent $600 on my One X. SIX. HUNDRED. DOLLARS. Cold hard cash. I also just spent $250 on a Nexus 7 tablet. How the hell does the One X cost more to manufacture than the Nexus 7? Take an international One X for example. Same Tegra 3 as the Nexus 7, same 16gb storage, same 1gb ram, no SD slot like the Nexus... the Nexus has a bigger battery, bigger screen, more actual material cost because well... it's bigger. Only thing the One X has that the Nexus doesn't is a camera and a cell radio. So a tiny camera chip and a cell radio add $300 more to the cost? Nuh uh, I don't think so. I always thought $600 was justifiable all things considered. I mean, the One X is a seriously powerful device and I don't mean spec-wise. You can do a TON of crap with it. But if Asus can sell a Nexus 7 for $250, then there is no way in hell $600 (okay $550 if you don't count tax) is a justifiable cost for the One X. Yeah I know the Nexus 7 is being pushed at practically cost but still, if they can sell it for that low and it still be financially justifiable, you'd think HTC would be able to push the HOX for less than what they are. Just my thoughts on the matter.

The Nexus 7 doesn't have a carrier behind it, raising the off-contract price to force us into a subsidized plan. Reminds me of the iPod Touch and the iPhone, which have almost the same guts, but the latter costs hundreds more.
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BertLingo said:
The Nexus 7 doesn't have a carrier behind it, raising the off-contract price to force us into a subsidized plan. Reminds me of the iPod Touch and the iPhone, which have almost the same guts, but the latter costs hundreds more.
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An international One X is still $550-$600 with no carrier behind it.

I read somewhere that Google doesn't make any money on any Nex7 sales also, they sell it for what they make it for.

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...figuratively, of course. I spent $600 on my One X. SIX. HUNDRED. DOLLARS. Cold hard cash. I also just spent $250 on a Nexus 7 tablet. How the hell does the One X cost more to manufacture than the Nexus 7? Take an international One X for example. Same Tegra 3 as the Nexus 7, same 16gb storage, same 1gb ram, no SD slot like the Nexus... the Nexus has a bigger battery, bigger screen, more actual material cost because well... it's bigger. Only thing the One X has that the Nexus doesn't is a camera and a cell radio. So a tiny camera chip and a cell radio add $300 more to the cost? Nuh uh, I don't think so. I always thought $600 was justifiable all things considered. I mean, the One X is a seriously powerful device and I don't mean spec-wise. You can do a TON of crap with it. But if Asus can sell a Nexus 7 for $250, then there is no way in hell $600 (okay $550 if you don't count tax) is a justifiable cost for the One X. Yeah I know the Nexus 7 is being pushed at practically cost but still, if they can sell it for that low and it still be financially justifiable, you'd think HTC would be able to push the HOX for less than what they are. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Google has reported zero profit will come from Nexus 7 (we'll see...) and wouldn't it cost more to create an HD screen that's smaller then one that's a bit larger? Because it has a higher rate of units not passing quality control because it's harder to pack the pixels closer together?
But I agree, overpriced in a sense, $400 would seem more logical. But hell, I paid full price anyway.

Tablet manufacturers seem to be in a race to the bottom, price wise. That hasn't really happened with phones yet, I guess because there's no overwhelming giant like the iPad in the phone market.
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They are both called Tegra 3 but they are NOT the same model. As far as I am aware the screen for our phones costs more even though its smaller (higher quality + fitting more in a small space). And though a larger screen might cost more, in general it actually costs more to make the same thing in a smaller package, not less. And as someone has already mentioned Google is probably not making a dime off the actual sale of the device itself, which HTC can't really do.
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Yeah I'm sure our screen costs more to manufacture than the 7" one, and yeah smaller things cost more from an engineering standpoint but it can't be THAT much more expensive. I still think all things considered, the cost of these phones is way too high.

its like when you have a baby, diapers costs a butload

I'm sure the One X costs anywhere from $200-$350 to manufacture, so I'm guessing they are making a pretty good (around 100%) profit. Makes sense to me.
Long live the One X

Google doesn't really care about making a profit with Nexus 7. All of their profit will come from things like Play Books, Play Movies, and it will greatly expand the use of their cloud services. Pretty much the exact same thing Amazon did with the Fire.

Google could be selling the Nexus 7 at a loss like B&N and Kindle do.
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Thats how samsung is making the money.
You buy the phone for 200 or whatever, the carrier pays the rest, but you pay 100 bucks a month for service for 2 years!
So it makes sense! Unless you buy a phone every 6 months paying out full price, thats your problem -_-. The average person gets a new phone every 2 years. So they arnt getting raped, well except for the wireless plans.

rohan32 said:
I read somewhere that Google doesn't make any money on any Nex7 sales also, they sell it for what they make it for.
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Google has reported zero profit will come from Nexus 7 (we'll see...) and wouldn't it cost more to create an HD screen that's smaller then one that's a bit larger? Because it has a higher rate of units not passing quality control because it's harder to pack the pixels closer together?
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Guranto said:
Google doesn't really care about making a profit with Nexus 7. All of their profit will come from things like Play Books, Play Movies, and it will greatly expand the use of their cloud services. Pretty much the exact same thing Amazon did with the Fire.
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+1
Andy Rubin has stated that Google and Asus stand to make virtually no profit on the Nexus 7. Also, they planned to reduce costs by selling the majority of units straight from the Play Store. And Google is going to eat the cost of marketing all on their own. That's another big cost that needs to be taken into account, marketing.
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expertzero1 said:
its like when you have a baby, diapers costs a butload
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I dont really know why but I seriously lol'd at this ridiculous comment. Thanks
Also for the topic...won't Google make a ton on play store sales of magazines and games and movies and TV content?
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Nobody ever factors in the cost of R&D.

gunnyman said:
Nobody ever factors in the cost of R&D.
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exactly, theres alot more than "glue these parts together and sell it." While I do think $600 is alot of money, nobody is forcing you to buy anything you gotta pay to play

gunnyman said:
Nobody ever factors in the cost of R&D.
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Reminds me of an argument I once had with someone. "Why to video games cost 60 bucks? I could buy a DVD and burn stuff on it for a few cents" I then asked if he ever stuck around for the credits just to see all the people who worked on the game...

BertLingo said:
The Nexus 7 doesn't have a carrier behind it, raising the off-contract price to force us into a subsidized plan. Reminds me of the iPod Touch and the iPhone, which have almost the same guts, but the latter costs hundreds more.
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This really doesn't have anything to do with OP's question.
The One X has extra components inside it, adding to the cost - the high quality camera, the cellular radio, the fact that the components are smaller, etc.
Also, HTC is in a strategy to actually turn a profit on their devices, whereas Google is just making a push for their content. People buy a Nexus 7, and then spend money on Books, Magazines, Shows, Movies, etc. and they recoup some of the money put into making the Nexus.

live4nyy said:
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Andy Rubin has stated that Google and Asus stand to make virtually no profit on the Nexus 7. Also, they planned to reduce costs by selling the majority of units straight from the Play Store. And Google is going to eat the cost of marketing all on their own. That's another big cost that needs to be taken into account, marketing.
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This.
While Apple continues to fight in the courtroom, Google continues to chase an increasing market share. This time, the focus is, in large part, on a tablet. There's a huge market there, and Google wants in.
Asus has been trying to get into Android, and had mediocre success. Nothing against their products, they just don't have a huge name like Moto, Samsung, LG, HTC, etc. Google's partnering with Asus here is quite strategic, IMO. Asus gets to showcase their work and craftsmanship, while Google gets to ensure a low price. Both cut profits to nothing to increase market share.
Very strategic and bold.
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Nexus 4 and 10. Thanks but no thanks...

Nexus 4: integrated battery and no microSD slot... I hope it fails badly, F*CK THEM AND ABOVE ALL F*CK APPLE, THE TREND-SETTER FOR THIS BS!!
Nexus 10: I have just sold my Galaxy Tab 10.1 3G to buy a Note 10.1 but was willing to give Google a chance first... I don't know how much the Nexus 10 weighs (which is very important to me seeing that ALL of the 10" tablets on the market today weigh too much to be ergonomic) but the deal killer is no microSD slot (and possibly no HDMI out too). Moreover, the straw that broke the camel's back was to see the MORONIC decision to bring the phone UI to a 10" tablet... stupid enough on the Nexus 7 but totally UNBELIEVABLE on the Nexus 10!!
Thank God for the Note, Note II and Note 10.1, I really don't know how any remotely knowledgeable poweruser may even consider anything else (the SIII perhaps).

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Have fun with your note...
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Have been since almost a year now... Best smartphone (BY FAR) I have ever owned, seen, tried.

Have you seen the price? £279 for a high-end phone, the nexus line has never had micro sd slot. If you like the note just keep it and stop complaining about a phone you havent even tried yet.

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Have you seen the price? £279 for a high-end phone, the nexus line has never had micro sd slot. If you like the note just keep it and stop complaining about a phone you havent even tried yet.
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Its price is *immaterial* since the non-removable battery alone makes it USELESS CRAP to me.
And I am not complaining, I am COMMENTING (and venting... I LOVE Android on mobile devices and Windows 7 on PCs and I don't like the direction both of them are going).

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Please all, keep it on topic and with respect

MrPhilo said:
Have you seen the price? £279 for a high-end phone, the nexus line has never had micro sd slot. If you like the note just keep it and stop complaining about a phone you havent even tried yet.
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Nexus one did.
I do agree though, stop b*tching about it.
300 or 350 for a phone that arguably has better specs than any other phone in that price range? Hell yeah
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MrPhilo said:
the nexus line has never had micro sd slot. .
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*cough* Nexus one *cough*
But anyhow, I agree with you. This is an amazing price for a high end phone! Even though I don't like LG, the Nexus 4 looks pretty good...
And indeed 8gb (or 16) and no Microsd is lame. I wonder why that's the trend lately...?
On the other hand, I am a bit disappointed in what they've done with Android, or to be exactly, what they didn't. I mean, ICS is a year ago, so shouldn't we get a big upgrade instead of this minor improvement on JB? It's not that I don't like the improvements, I just expected more!
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koningjim said:
I wonder why that's the trend lately...?
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Because idiots who don't really NEED and USE the full gamut of today's smartphones' capabilities buy crap with integrated batteries and no microSD slots...

xdapao3 said:
Because idiots who don't really NEED and USE the full gamut of today's smartphones' capabilities buy crap with integrated batteries and no microSD slots...
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Lol, so angry. Just don't buy it.

esincho said:
Lol, so angry. Just don't buy it.
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Yeah that's what I thought and did when the handicapped Apple iCraps started to come out... then their (AWFUL) choices started to influence the REST of the market (the one I care about)!

xdapao3 said:
Because idiots who don't really NEED and USE the full gamut of today's smartphones' capabilities buy crap with integrated batteries and no microSD slots...
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Here is where you went from commenting to complaining and insulting. This is a market place. Companies don't want to waste money giving people stuff they wont use. People is a group and in marketing means the majority of consumers/customers. I wish the phone had an SD slot but I'm not going to judge the company for making a smart business move or a--very large--group of individuals for buying the products they want. Venting is fine but don't be a ****.
I hope you're happy with your note and note 10.1. Ill be extremely happy with my S4 Pro and Google Tablet. :good:
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The Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 7 both came with no SD slot, I wasn't expecting one on the 4 or 10. I hope the real tablet UI can still be enabled in 4.2, while the Nexus 7 UI looks okay on a 7" tablet, on a 10" tablet it looks like an out of place phone UI, might as well put GB on it. I'm sure the dev community will fix that.
I don't think it will sell much at that price at $400 for a 16GB, especially with the 4th gen iPad 16GB going for only $100 more. You could probably get an 3rd gen iPad on clearance for less. Now I'm no Apple user, I can't stand them, just looking at it from the perspective of the average user.
The Nexus 4, like expected continues the trend of oversized phones. Some people may like that, but for me if I want a large screen I would use a tablet. I want a small phone that is light and pocketable. I had my hopes up for a smaller sized Nexus but it looks like that won't happen.

Vain III said:
Here is where you went from commenting to complaining and insulting. This is a market place. Companies don't want to waste money giving people stuff they wont use. People is a group and in marketing means the majority of consumers/customers. I wish the phone had an SD slot but I'm not going to judge the company for making a smart business move or a--very large--group of individuals for buying the products they want. Venting is fine but don't be a ****.
I hope you're happy with your note and note 10.1. Ill be extremely happy with my S4 Pro and Google Tablet. :good:
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The majority of users buy gadgets which they DO NOT KNOW/UNDERSTAND/WANT TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO UNDERSTAND and definitely DO NO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF but in a small part.
I rest my case.

the nexus 10 weighs lss than the latest iPad(4tth gen) coming in at 1.33 pounds (603 g).
source:http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...s-4th-generation-new-ipad-tech-spec-shootout/

Phones suck..
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jarjar124 said:
the nexus 10 weighs lss than the latest iPad(4tth gen) coming in at 1.33 pounds (603 g).
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TNX.
The iPad shouldn't be used as a reference though. That P.O.S. is one of the heaviest 10" class tablet on the market.

The nexus 10 has mini-hdmi and miracast capability. So what are you complaining about?
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Sigh. A thinly veiled attempt to pressure consumers to use their cloud storage...
Battery life for the tablet may be good though.
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xdapao3 said:
The majority of users buy gadgets which they DO NOT KNOW/UNDERSTAND/WANT TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO UNDERSTAND and definitely DO NO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF but in a small part.
I rest my case.
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The majority of users DO NOT NEED TO/WANT TO/OR CARE TO UNDERSTAND. They shouldn't HAVE TO. Just because me, you, and other XDA fanatics have a hard on for mobile technology doesn't mean we're the main consumer. The companies follow the money so that they can continue offering updated hardware for US--XDA fanatics--to play with. If they catered to the minority they would be out more money then they make, and would most-likely stale upgrades and updates. To take full advantage; consumers would need more technical skills than they CARE to occupy.
You never had a case. You had a rant about how people weren't catering to your needs; you had a vent about how people who don't agree with you are stupid; and you had a ***** about how you won't support companies who helped improve technology in other areas--and in the past.

xdapao3 said:
TNX.
The iPad shouldn't be used as a reference though. That P.O.S. is one of the heaviest 10" class tablet on the market.
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fine...compared to the galaxy note 10.1.....its only .02 lbs heavier.... nexus 10 coming as 1.33 lb while note 10.1 is 1.31 lb

Nexus 4 move

I hope this is appropriate but was wondering if any of the Devs for this device plan on doing any work for the Nexus 4 ? I have been on the My Touch since the day it came out and have finally purchased me a new Nexus 4 and honestly It would be awesome to see some of your work over there as well.
My son is inheriting the My Touch 4g so I will not be completely leaving but something honest feels strange about moving on from this phone. Don't get me wrong I am way excited about the Nexus 4 experience though
Thank you all again for everything you have brought to the My Touch World!!!

The N4 has tons of developers. No need to bring some from a device that should have been dead a year ago.

I am not sure I understand what your saying ? My Touch should have been dead a year ago so there's no point in adding a Nexus 4 as a phone that a DEV would build for ? I would think a lot of DEVS write for more than one phone anyway?

i would like to get a nexus 4, i really want a new phone but i dont earn enought to just buy it...
Enjoy N4 when u move on give it to me

jocami said:
i would like to get a nexus 4, i really want a new phone but i dont earn enought to just buy it...
Enjoy N4 when u move on give it to me
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One of these guys., Looking for handouts huh!If you want one it is called SAVE for it ..I would like a new car but i wouldn't ask someone to give me theres when there done with it..FLAME.

...Awesome... got a Nexus 4. He released Toasted Marshmallow for it.

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...Awesome... got a Nexus 4. He released Toasted Marshmallow for it.
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What up Bro! Yep I seen that! Sure is alot to choose from over there! I heard that stock rom with franco kernel is way to go is that true.(I have no idea since i don't have one yet.)I am getting one myself next month and just curious.

Should have waited another month and got a real phone.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs

garleest said:
Should have waited another month and got a real phone.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
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That looks sweet maybe I will just wait until that comes out !I am fine for now with my sensation and still have my glacier as a back up so I am in no rush anyhow!

estallings15 said:
...Awesome... got a Nexus 4. He released Toasted Marshmallow for it.
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He actually got rid of it supposedly.
He's getting the HTC one
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K-JACKS said:
What up Bro! Yep I seen that! Sure is alot to choose from over there! I heard that stock rom with franco kernel is way to go is that true.(I have no idea since i don't have one yet.)I am getting one myself next month and just curious.
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Um, no.
PUB or Carbon ROM with either Franco or Trinity Kernel. I prefer Franco's for the colors but Trinity gives me better battery. Project ELE is pretty good too.
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garleest said:
Should have waited another month and got a real phone.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
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That would've been a great phone if it didn't have the sense overlay and was released a few months ago. KLP is right around the corner and who knows how long it'll take HTC to push out that update. It is a nice phone though.
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invasion2 said:
The N4 has tons of developers. No need to bring some from a device that should have been dead a year ago.
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NO! The mt4g is going to live on! Do you realize that right now the mt4g has a more recent version (the most recent one, 4.2.2)of android through custom rooms than MOST new phones? HOW BOUT THAT?! The mytouch 4g is never going to die. There is a lot of love for this oldie, and people really like the hardware. Jelly bean actually runs faster than gingerbread on my particular device! Not only that, but its actually a popular phone. You can still see many people walking around with a mt4g.
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K-JACKS said:
What up Bro! Yep I seen that! Sure is alot to choose from over there! I heard that stock rom with franco kernel is way to go is that true.(I have no idea since i don't have one yet.)I am getting one myself next month and just curious.
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He didn't get rid of it, last I head. He hard bricked it and it has to be repaired.
There is no best ROM. PM or gtalk me what features you like and I'll give you some places to start. There are several GREAT kernels with a myriad of features. We can discuss that.
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garleest said:
Should have waited another month and got a real phone.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
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There is always a newer, more powerful phone right around the corner. Quite frankly a LOT of people are sick to death of HTC's locked down bootloaders, HTC Dev, and slow updates. While the Nexus 4 is simple, it's quite literally made for nerds. Unlocking the bootloader is as simple as a single fastboot command. From there it's gravy. To each his own, though. The beauty of Android is choice.

There is always a newer said:
Bottom line for me is QUALITY. And I just don't see it in the Nexus 4.
There's a reason the Nexus 4 only costs $299. As the saying goes "you get what you pay for"
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htc_mytouch said:
Bottom line for me is QUALITY. And I just don't see it in the Nexus 4.
There's a reason the Nexus 4 only costs $299. As the saying goes "you get what you pay for"
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The Nexus 4 is a "QUALITY" device.
The price is low b/c Google sells their devices at prices close to how much it costs to make the device. The phone is actually more expensive at other retailers than the $299 8gb model you saw on Google Play. The phone is $599 if you buy it from Best Buy for example.
As far as "you get what you pay for", that can be interpreted to be negative for something "cheap" and something "expensive"
For example: Buying a crappy 10in, off-brand no name Android tablet w/ an 800x480 resolution and a dual core 1ghz processor for maybe $79.99
Second example: Buying an apple product. Nuff said.
But while we're talking about apple, I should mention that the iPhone 5 costs apple roughly ~$200 to make. Let that soak in.

I2IEAILiiTY said:
The Nexus 4 is a "QUALITY" device.
The price is low b/c Google sells their devices at prices close to how much it costs to make the device. The phone is actually more expensive at other retailers than the $299 8gb model you saw on Google Play. The phone is $599 if you buy it from Best Buy for example.
As far as "you get what you pay for", that can be interpreted to be negative for something "cheap" and something "expensive"
For example: Buying a crappy 10in, off-brand no name Android tablet w/ an 800x480 resolution and a dual core 1ghz processor for maybe $79.99
Second example: Buying an apple product. Nuff said.
But while we're talking about apple, I should mention that the iPhone 5 costs apple roughly ~$200 to make. Let that soak in.
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Well said. You won't get anything across to that troll, though. Some people are too stubborn to learn.

I2IEAILiiTY said:
The Nexus 4 is a "QUALITY" device.
The price is low b/c Google sells their devices at prices close to how much it costs to make the device. The phone is actually more expensive at other retailers than the $299 8gb model you saw on Google Play. The phone is $599 if you buy it from Best Buy for example.
As far as "you get what you pay for", that can be interpreted to be negative for something "cheap" and something "expensive"
For example: Buying a crappy 10in, off-brand no name Android tablet w/ an 800x480 resolution and a dual core 1ghz processor for maybe $79.99
Second example: Buying an apple product. Nuff said.
But while we're talking about apple, I should mention that the iPhone 5 costs apple roughly ~$200 to make. Let that soak in.
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Since your therory is that the Nexus 4 is so much more valuable than $299.00. I have a great ideal for you.
Buy 100 of them at $299 with tax and shipping the final price should be around $350 per phone. Total price= $35000.00
List them on Ebay for 599.00 plus free shipping and no taxes Total sales would be $59900.00 - $6000 for shipping and fees Grand Total Sales =53900.00
Your profit would be $18,900.00 How could you turn down that much easy money? Hell if you can't do a 100. Do 5 that would be almost a $1000.00 profit
Some how I don't think your theroy would work. I just seen a brand new in the box on a buy it now for $325.00 shipping included.
A value of an object is what market will bear. Nothing else. The reason Google is selling them so cheap is they found one of the cheapest manufacturers to make them. Do you actually think that they would be selling at $299 if Samsung or Htc made them?
Nothing to learn here other than a Nexus 4 is worth about $299.00. In a few months $150.00

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Since your therory is that the Nexus 4 is so much more valuable than $299.00. I have a great ideal for you.
Buy 100 of them at $299 with tax and shipping the final price should be around $350 per phone. Total price= $35000.00
List them on Ebay for 599.00 plus free shipping and no taxes Total sales would be $59900.00 - $6000 for shipping and fees Grand Total Sales =53900.00
Your profit would be $18,900.00 How could you turn down that much easy money? Hell if you can't do a 100. Do 5 that would be almost a $1000.00 profit
Some how I don't think your theroy would work. I just seen a brand new in the box on a buy it now for $325.00 shipping included.
A value of an object is what market will bear. Nothing else. The reason Google is selling them so cheap is they found one of the cheapest manufacturers to make them. Do you actually think that they would be selling at $299 if Samsung or Htc made them?
Nothing to learn here other than a Nexus 4 is worth about $299.00. In a few months $150.00
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Except that the GNex sold for $299. Who made that again? Oh, right. Samsung.

htc_mytouch said:
Since your therory is that the Nexus 4 is so much more valuable than $299.00. I have a great ideal for you.
Buy 100 of them at $299 with tax and shipping the final price should be around $350 per phone. Total price= $35000.00
List them on Ebay for 599.00 plus free shipping and no taxes Total sales would be $59900.00 - $6000 for shipping and fees Grand Total Sales =53900.00
Your profit would be $18,900.00 How could you turn down that much easy money? Hell if you can't do a 100. Do 5 that would be almost a $1000.00 profit
Some how I don't think your theroy would work. I just seen a brand new in the box on a buy it now for $325.00 shipping included.
A value of an object is what market will bear. Nothing else. The reason Google is selling them so cheap is they found one of the cheapest manufacturers to make them. Do you actually think that they would be selling at $299 if Samsung or Htc made them?
Nothing to learn here other than a Nexus 4 is worth about $299.00. In a few months $150.00
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You are completely fixating on an irrelevant point. All he is saying is just because it is priced competitively, doesn't mean its a low quality device. You need to understand that you can't judge the quality of a device by the markup a cell phone carrier may make. For example, T-Mobile charges 413 dollars for a Galaxy S2, no way in hell that STILL costs that much to build a plastic phone, but, by your logic, the build quality would be better and it would be a WAY better phone. See what i am getting at? Don't go around trying to be argumentative and douchey, i saw your post on the B.S. thread. Take it down a notch.

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You are completely fixating on an irrelevant point. All he is saying is just because it is priced competitively, doesn't mean its a low quality device. You need to understand that you can't judge the quality of a device by the markup a cell phone carrier may make. For example, T-Mobile charges 413 dollars for a Galaxy S2, no way in hell that STILL costs that much to build a plastic phone, but, by your logic, the build quality would be better and it would be a WAY better phone. See what i am getting at? Don't go around trying to be argumentative and douchey, i saw your post on the B.S. thread. Take it down a notch.
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This is what I said "Bottom line for me is QUALITY. And I just don't see it in the Nexus 4" And I still don't.
I'm hearing rumors that the back cracks around the camera and it's easily scratched. If that's the case I don't consider that a quality build. Really don't want a phone that looks two years old after 6 months.
As far as cost. Other people brought that into the equation. Which was really irrelevent because my statement was always about build quality. Period! But I respo
nded because i felt I was getting smoke blown up my A** It doesn't matter if the phone is $299 or $599 if it has issues I don't want it.
This is just one of the articles I've read.
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-4-cracked-back-glass-135237/

htc_mytouch said:
This is what I said "Bottom line for me is QUALITY. And I just don't see it in the Nexus 4" And I still don't.
I'm hearing rumors that the back cracks around the camera and it's easily scratched. If that's the case I don't consider that a quality build. Really don't want a phone that looks two years old after 6 months.
As far as cost. Other people brought that into the equation. Which was really irrelevent because my statement was always about build quality. Period! But I respo
nded because i felt I was getting smoke blown up my A** It doesn't matter if the phone is $299 or $599 if it has issues I don't want it.
This is just one of the articles I've read.
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-4-cracked-back-glass-135237/
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All phones have issues. HTC can definitely attest to that. Never seen one of theirs that didn't. There is no perfect phone.
My N4 hasn't cracked because I keep a bumper on it and my back isn't scratched because I keep a clear protector on it. The phone still looks amazing. Problem solved. By the way, I work outside, every weekday, regardless of the weather. I have zero issues with the quality of the build of this device and I have it in my hand every day. I also came from a myTouch 4G, so I know what solid build quality feels like.

Nexus 5 or LG G2 ?

What's up everyone I currently have a Galaxy S4 for Verizon and unfortunately it came stock with ME7 . Im tired of verizon and there restrictions and I miss running a CFW and having a root. Im more then likely going to T-Mobile and getting Unlimited Data. The 2 phones on the top of my list are the Lg g2 and this New Nexus 5. I love both phones but I do like the stock android from a Nexus. I would love to hear your suggestions even if it isnt a phone thats not on my list. In a sense im looking for a new phone to stick with for a good amount of time. Thanks for any advice and help in advance! :thumbup:
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Nexus 5, and it's not close.

I was in the same dilemma.
I decided to go for the Nexus 5 because its a Nexus.
The main difference in hardware between the two for me is the screen size. I wanted the bigger screen on the G2.
But I decided I want to pay less and get a device with better software

LouieeeV said:
What's up everyone I currently have a Galaxy S4 for Verizon and unfortunately it came stock with ME7 . Im tired of verizon and there restrictions and I miss running a CFW and having a root. Im more then likely going to T-Mobile and getting Unlimited Data. The 2 phones on the top of my list are the Lg g2 and this New Nexus 5. I love both phones but I do like the stock android from a Nexus. I would love to hear your suggestions even if it isnt a phone thats not on my list. In a sense im looking for a new phone to stick with for a good amount of time. Thanks for any advice and help in advance! :thumbup:
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The nexus is pure stock android which is fully stable .
On benchmarks it benches better than the G2 and is much cheaper.
If you love stock android then the Nexus 5 is the greatest phone you can currently get.
Tip:
Also don't try to use the term CFW (Custom Firmware), people on xda won't usually know it, use the word ROM (Read Only Memory).
I find this is actually funny because we have root in them and we can make everything read-write
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LouieeeV said:
What's up everyone I currently have a Galaxy S4 for Verizon and unfortunately it came stock with ME7 . Im tired of verizon and there restrictions and I miss running a CFW and having a root. Im more then likely going to T-Mobile and getting Unlimited Data. The 2 phones on the top of my list are the Lg g2 and this New Nexus 5. I love both phones but I do like the stock android from a Nexus. I would love to hear your suggestions even if it isnt a phone thats not on my list. In a sense im looking for a new phone to stick with for a good amount of time. Thanks for any advice and help in advance! :thumbup:
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Also I don't live in America but I heard that you can't run the nexus 5 with Verizon.
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So theres no external SD Card which I admit does bother me just because the more space the better. I dont umderstand why Google didnt put one in the Nexus 5...
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LouieeeV said:
So theres no external SD Card which I admit does bother me just because the more space the better. I dont umderstand why Google didnt put one in the Nexus 5...
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Google never allows sd cards in the nexus devices. They never will. They say they are too slow for a top end type device.

Yea I guess ill have tp get the 32 GB version so I never feel limited for space :thumbup:
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The G2 has the screen size, battery and camera advantages which is not something to overlook, if they were closely priced I'd go for the G2. Now if you can get some dough off due to contract extension and plan to stay with your carrier, the G2 can still be an attractive offer. Overall though, buying both unlocked and the Nexus 5 is just so awesomely priced. So it's a matter of looking at your options.

LouieeeV said:
Yea I guess ill have tp get the 32 GB version so I never feel limited for space :thumbup:
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That is what I got. I have a 64gb card in my sgs3, so it will be hard, but the thing that makes it worth it, is how easy it is to dev/hack.

Haha, i was on the same boat. I love the G2 Screen and the lack of bezel. Overall the decision came down to software and speed. I always go with a custom ROM cause i like stock, (yes u can do this on the g2) but the fact that i will be getting the latest and greatest updates first is a huge + for me. Thus why i decided on the Nexus.
I say go Nexus!.

Nexus is looking like a go especially with 4g and unlimited data on T-Mobile sounds pretty good to me so far
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Simba501 said:
Nexus 5, and it's not close.
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How you can be a recognized contributor and come out with such a poor statement is quite scary...
Anyway it is VERY close.
The G2 has a bigger screen, yet only a fraction larger. (~1mm all around). And weigh's in negligible over the N5 yet has a 3000mah battery instead of 2300. Then it has a 13mp camera with the same tech as the 8mp Nexus 5.
The Nexus 5 wins in price (for most, some countries not so much), Software Support (I won't say software because the LG Software is actually pretty smooth on the G2 and the feature set isn't bad, but of course not KiKat, yet).
They share the same CPU/GPU/Ram. The Nexus 5 will likely be quicker due to KitKat/AOSP, but it will only be a matter of weeks and the G2 will have that also so if having it first is important to you, then again N5.
They also share the same radios/spectrums/etc.. so N5 is unlocked vs LG G2 probably/possibly being locked to one carrier. Important factor for some.
Clearly I don't think one is a "winner", I have the G2, and I pre-ordered the N5. I want to check out KitKat and see how it performs/battery life with only 2300mah but KitKat optimized. I plan to pick the winner (for me) once I have them side by side for a while.
Either way, they are most CERTAINLY close. The question is (in most markets) is ~$150-200 worth a bigger screen/battery/camera and the loss of immediate updates/better rom development. In that case, for most, the answer seems to be no.

crawlgsx said:
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The Nexus 5 wins in price (for most, some countries not so much), Software Support (I won't say software because the LG Software is actually pretty smooth on the G2 and the feature set isn't bad, but of course not KiKat, yet).
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Precisely why it's not close. Price and software development.
While the G2 will likely have developers to create some AOSP goodness for it, the lifespan of Nexus devices is always considerably longer than others. AOSP never runs as smoothly, with little bugs, as it does on actual Google devices.
If you're looking at the hardware, with respect to no other factors, then it is close. Otherwise, no.

Simba501 said:
Precisely why it's not close. Price and software development.
While the G2 will likely have developers to create some AOSP goodness for it, the lifespan of Nexus devices is always considerably longer than others. AOSP never runs as smoothly, with little bugs, as it does on actual Google devices.
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Absolutely, if your only importance is ROM's and having the latest software first, or the longest amount of support for updates, then it is not close.
Price is personal. I have absolutely no problem spending the extra $150 if it means better battery life. The G2 is a battery monster, so I expect to be disappointed by the N5, but I absolutely hope I am wrong. Also in some countries the price is almost negligible. Plus if you have an upgrade and stick with the same carrier anyway, you can have the G2 for $150-200 vs $440 (32gb vs 32gb), so that is another factor. A lot goes in to play for this. Just simply saying it is cheaper is not enough.
When comparing ALL factors though, I stand by my previous statements. Personally I wouldn't let development allow me to be hooked to only owning a Nexus but that is absolutely the key factor for some people, I get that. Battery life is a huge importance to me and until I can see how it lasts with my own eyes I take the specs with a truckload of salt. With a 30% less battery size on the same hardware KitKat is going to have to do some pretty superb savings to keep it close.
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If you're looking at the hardware, with respect to no other factors, then it is close. Otherwise, no.
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If you looked at hardware specs only and no other factors, it is NOT close. The G2 wins hands down if you take out software and price, but that would be just plain silly.
In case anyone misinterprets my statements, I am not saying I think one is better than the other. I think both have their +'s and personally I don't find either a clear winner. That is all.

While I'm still going with the N5 for the rom support, Sprint is selling the N5 for $149 and the G2 for $99 (both with 2 year contracts), so the G2 actually wins the price debate.
Edit: whoops had too many tabs open and got this thread confused with one that was just for Sprint. Still, I imagine TMo will sell the G2 for either the same price or less than the N5 to stay competitive.

If usbOTG is present in the N5 then you can simply attach a microsd card to a microsd to USB to the usbOTG adapter (too many adapters) or simply a flashdrive. While it may be a pain to carry around it will at least extend the capacity.
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crawlgsx said:
Price is personal. I have absolutely no problem spending the extra $150 if it means better battery life.
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150 dollars for an extra 700mAh is just not worth it in my opinion. im enjoying a 15,000mAh power bank that i got for 50 bucks and will put the extra 100 dollars toward a new phone in 2-4 years

Enddo said:
150 dollars for an extra 700mAh is just not worth it in my opinion. im enjoying a 15,000mAh power bank that i got for 50 bucks and will put the extra 100 dollars toward a new phone in 2-4 years
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Well if that were the only factor that is a pretty harsh bargain for sure but 700mah in this case IS 30% larger. That is not small. You also get 13mp vs 8 and .2" bigger screen. Again not that I think it is a winning decision either, tough call and personal preference. I just think it is worth more consideration than people are giving.

crawlgsx said:
Well if that were the only factor that is a pretty harsh bargain for sure but 700mah in this case IS 30% larger. That is not small. You also get 13mp vs 8 and .2" bigger screen. Again not that I think it is a winning decision either, tough call and personal preference. I just think it is worth more consideration than people are giving.
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meh, you're in the heart of public android development. of course people here are going to side with a Nexus device. not that people here aren't considering the specs, but we put more of an emphasis on the pure android experience.
i feel the same way about people here complaining about no sd slot. this is just not the place to voice that opinion, it will not bring them any sympathy. this is not a consumer forum

Enddo said:
meh, you're in the heart of public android development. of course people here are going to side with a Nexus device. not that people here aren't considering the specs, but we put more of an emphasis on the pure android experience.
i feel the same way about people here complaining about no sd slot. this is just not the place to voice that opinion, it will not bring them any sympathy. this is not a consumer forum
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haha too funny, I agree 100%. SD and Removable battery mean 0 to me, always have.
But yeah I get it :good: