...figuratively, of course. I spent $600 on my One X. SIX. HUNDRED. DOLLARS. Cold hard cash. I also just spent $250 on a Nexus 7 tablet. How the hell does the One X cost more to manufacture than the Nexus 7? Take an international One X for example. Same Tegra 3 as the Nexus 7, same 16gb storage, same 1gb ram, no SD slot like the Nexus... the Nexus has a bigger battery, bigger screen, more actual material cost because well... it's bigger. Only thing the One X has that the Nexus doesn't is a camera and a cell radio. So a tiny camera chip and a cell radio add $300 more to the cost? Nuh uh, I don't think so. I always thought $600 was justifiable all things considered. I mean, the One X is a seriously powerful device and I don't mean spec-wise. You can do a TON of crap with it. But if Asus can sell a Nexus 7 for $250, then there is no way in hell $600 (okay $550 if you don't count tax) is a justifiable cost for the One X. Yeah I know the Nexus 7 is being pushed at practically cost but still, if they can sell it for that low and it still be financially justifiable, you'd think HTC would be able to push the HOX for less than what they are. Just my thoughts on the matter.
The Nexus 7 doesn't have a carrier behind it, raising the off-contract price to force us into a subsidized plan. Reminds me of the iPod Touch and the iPhone, which have almost the same guts, but the latter costs hundreds more.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
BertLingo said:
The Nexus 7 doesn't have a carrier behind it, raising the off-contract price to force us into a subsidized plan. Reminds me of the iPod Touch and the iPhone, which have almost the same guts, but the latter costs hundreds more.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
An international One X is still $550-$600 with no carrier behind it.
I read somewhere that Google doesn't make any money on any Nex7 sales also, they sell it for what they make it for.
_MetalHead_ said:
...figuratively, of course. I spent $600 on my One X. SIX. HUNDRED. DOLLARS. Cold hard cash. I also just spent $250 on a Nexus 7 tablet. How the hell does the One X cost more to manufacture than the Nexus 7? Take an international One X for example. Same Tegra 3 as the Nexus 7, same 16gb storage, same 1gb ram, no SD slot like the Nexus... the Nexus has a bigger battery, bigger screen, more actual material cost because well... it's bigger. Only thing the One X has that the Nexus doesn't is a camera and a cell radio. So a tiny camera chip and a cell radio add $300 more to the cost? Nuh uh, I don't think so. I always thought $600 was justifiable all things considered. I mean, the One X is a seriously powerful device and I don't mean spec-wise. You can do a TON of crap with it. But if Asus can sell a Nexus 7 for $250, then there is no way in hell $600 (okay $550 if you don't count tax) is a justifiable cost for the One X. Yeah I know the Nexus 7 is being pushed at practically cost but still, if they can sell it for that low and it still be financially justifiable, you'd think HTC would be able to push the HOX for less than what they are. Just my thoughts on the matter.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Google has reported zero profit will come from Nexus 7 (we'll see...) and wouldn't it cost more to create an HD screen that's smaller then one that's a bit larger? Because it has a higher rate of units not passing quality control because it's harder to pack the pixels closer together?
But I agree, overpriced in a sense, $400 would seem more logical. But hell, I paid full price anyway.
Tablet manufacturers seem to be in a race to the bottom, price wise. That hasn't really happened with phones yet, I guess because there's no overwhelming giant like the iPad in the phone market.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
They are both called Tegra 3 but they are NOT the same model. As far as I am aware the screen for our phones costs more even though its smaller (higher quality + fitting more in a small space). And though a larger screen might cost more, in general it actually costs more to make the same thing in a smaller package, not less. And as someone has already mentioned Google is probably not making a dime off the actual sale of the device itself, which HTC can't really do.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
Yeah I'm sure our screen costs more to manufacture than the 7" one, and yeah smaller things cost more from an engineering standpoint but it can't be THAT much more expensive. I still think all things considered, the cost of these phones is way too high.
its like when you have a baby, diapers costs a butload
I'm sure the One X costs anywhere from $200-$350 to manufacture, so I'm guessing they are making a pretty good (around 100%) profit. Makes sense to me.
Long live the One X
Google doesn't really care about making a profit with Nexus 7. All of their profit will come from things like Play Books, Play Movies, and it will greatly expand the use of their cloud services. Pretty much the exact same thing Amazon did with the Fire.
Google could be selling the Nexus 7 at a loss like B&N and Kindle do.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
Thats how samsung is making the money.
You buy the phone for 200 or whatever, the carrier pays the rest, but you pay 100 bucks a month for service for 2 years!
So it makes sense! Unless you buy a phone every 6 months paying out full price, thats your problem -_-. The average person gets a new phone every 2 years. So they arnt getting raped, well except for the wireless plans.
rohan32 said:
I read somewhere that Google doesn't make any money on any Nex7 sales also, they sell it for what they make it for.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
vioalas said:
Google has reported zero profit will come from Nexus 7 (we'll see...) and wouldn't it cost more to create an HD screen that's smaller then one that's a bit larger? Because it has a higher rate of units not passing quality control because it's harder to pack the pixels closer together?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Guranto said:
Google doesn't really care about making a profit with Nexus 7. All of their profit will come from things like Play Books, Play Movies, and it will greatly expand the use of their cloud services. Pretty much the exact same thing Amazon did with the Fire.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
Andy Rubin has stated that Google and Asus stand to make virtually no profit on the Nexus 7. Also, they planned to reduce costs by selling the majority of units straight from the Play Store. And Google is going to eat the cost of marketing all on their own. That's another big cost that needs to be taken into account, marketing.
Exclusive: Google’s Andy Rubin and Asus’ Jonney Shih on How They Cooked Up the Nexus 7
expertzero1 said:
its like when you have a baby, diapers costs a butload
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I dont really know why but I seriously lol'd at this ridiculous comment. Thanks
Also for the topic...won't Google make a ton on play store sales of magazines and games and movies and TV content?
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
Nobody ever factors in the cost of R&D.
gunnyman said:
Nobody ever factors in the cost of R&D.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
exactly, theres alot more than "glue these parts together and sell it." While I do think $600 is alot of money, nobody is forcing you to buy anything you gotta pay to play
gunnyman said:
Nobody ever factors in the cost of R&D.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Reminds me of an argument I once had with someone. "Why to video games cost 60 bucks? I could buy a DVD and burn stuff on it for a few cents" I then asked if he ever stuck around for the credits just to see all the people who worked on the game...
BertLingo said:
The Nexus 7 doesn't have a carrier behind it, raising the off-contract price to force us into a subsidized plan. Reminds me of the iPod Touch and the iPhone, which have almost the same guts, but the latter costs hundreds more.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This really doesn't have anything to do with OP's question.
The One X has extra components inside it, adding to the cost - the high quality camera, the cellular radio, the fact that the components are smaller, etc.
Also, HTC is in a strategy to actually turn a profit on their devices, whereas Google is just making a push for their content. People buy a Nexus 7, and then spend money on Books, Magazines, Shows, Movies, etc. and they recoup some of the money put into making the Nexus.
live4nyy said:
+1
Andy Rubin has stated that Google and Asus stand to make virtually no profit on the Nexus 7. Also, they planned to reduce costs by selling the majority of units straight from the Play Store. And Google is going to eat the cost of marketing all on their own. That's another big cost that needs to be taken into account, marketing.
Exclusive: Google’s Andy Rubin and Asus’ Jonney Shih on How They Cooked Up the Nexus 7
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This.
While Apple continues to fight in the courtroom, Google continues to chase an increasing market share. This time, the focus is, in large part, on a tablet. There's a huge market there, and Google wants in.
Asus has been trying to get into Android, and had mediocre success. Nothing against their products, they just don't have a huge name like Moto, Samsung, LG, HTC, etc. Google's partnering with Asus here is quite strategic, IMO. Asus gets to showcase their work and craftsmanship, while Google gets to ensure a low price. Both cut profits to nothing to increase market share.
Very strategic and bold.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
Related
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/01/1...er-to-buy-elsewhere-if-they-want-custom-roms/
Loving my G-Tablet even more every day..!
Ouch!!
They should try harder to be more blunt ...
Jim
Motorola is junk anyway, every phone I ever had from them was garbage
People love a challenge. This may be an attempt at reverse psychology.
-=Sent from my Droid 2 (Fission 2.5.7) using Tapatalk=-
popezaphod said:
People love a challenge. This may be an attempt at reverse psychology.
-=Sent from my Droid 2 (Fission 2.5.7) using Tapatalk=-
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Either that or they just rebranded and renamed themselves Motodouchea.
I am glad Viewsonic didn't lock our G Tablets down.
popezaphod said:
People love a challenge. This may be an attempt at reverse psychology.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I doubt it, considering how hard they made it for the XDA guys to root the DroidX. My guess is we're going to be seeing more of these hardware "anti-root" chips on future Motorola devices.
Pretty stupid of them, really, considering the huge percentage of the Android population (like myself) that regularly try out different ROM's and such. You would think they would be more concerned with making the hardware sale than making sure you were stuck with MotoBlur.
It just goes to show that Motorola really isn't listening to it's customers, and that's a shame. The Xoom looks pretty awesome, but if it's as locked down as I expect it to be you can count me out. One of my favorite things about my G-Tablet is how easy it's been to "tinker" with it. And I can attest that the things are almost impossible to "brick". Thought I killed mine a couple of times, but it just took a little time hacking away at it and it's always come back to life
Away put your weapons...
The comment that's going viral through the Android community was just a poorly-thought-out blurt from a guy at Motorola. Before we break out the sandblasters and flamethrowers, remember that "the guy" has a boss... who probably issued their almost-an-apology soon after...
http://www.facebook.com/motorola/posts/10150127129950731?notif_t=feed_comment
Has anyone of us ever spoken before thinking? ... Naaaaw.
I'd love a xoom as a development platform
I'm more interested in the Atrix and/or Bionic as a replacement phone myself...
I'd also have more faith that the thinkers and devs here on XDA would bypass whatever restrictions they could impose...
I doubt the person running their youtube account is involved in the implantation of hardware and software security measures of an unreleased device. Just a disgruntled employee, who after that is probably no longer employed.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App
(rumor) basic version of the Motorola Xoom will enter between $250 and $299
http://chicagoindiepress.com/1507/tech/motorola-xoom-beat-ipad-2-prices-verizon-stores/
it may be true if you sign 2 years data services with Verizon. who really knows.
GOOD CALL!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/
Nospin said:
I doubt the person running their youtube account is involved in the implantation of hardware and software security measures of an unreleased device. Just a disgruntled employee, who after that is probably no longer employed.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
do not buy motorola
look how they are making fun of the defy owners
i bought one and it had the dead speaker problem, then when i could think of anything worse than a phone that cant make calls, a beautiful green stuck unremovable pixel apeared on the screen, i sold it
Is this even newsworthy?? Motorola is nothing if not famous for locking down their phones, especially those running on Verizon's network. I can recall bricking an old Moto flip phone, simply trying to add some custom ringtones to it. Personally these days I avoid Moto altogether, I just assume anything they create will end up locked down and crippled. There are gonna be so many other honeycomb tablets that I am uninterested in anything that will be locked down like an iPad is. (And yes I have an iPad, which spends most of it's time being used for Netflix and Angry Birds.)
tyy10002 said:
http://chicagoindiepress.com/1507/tech/motorola-xoom-beat-ipad-2-prices-verizon-stores/
it may be true if you sign 2 years data services with Verizon. who really knows.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm reading that the minimum is $800, but I doubt that's correct. They wouldn't be crazy enough, would they? Are there that many people forecasted to be willing to shell out an extra $400 for basically the same guts as the VS + 3G/4G and a better screen? I suppose people buy the iPad and that doesn't have 1/2 the features so anything's possible.
Not in a rush to buy a locked down boot loader. No custom roms or recoveries....no thank you.
Sent from my VEGAn-TAB-v1.0.0B5.1 using Tapatalk
If the bootloader does not seal it as a bad buy, the reported $800 retail price should (Neo, due to the rationale below- the price may be correct)
I expected it to be high, due to the phone price model. That is why phones are so high, due to carrier pricing practiced by all channels. They NEED you to buy the data plans and get locked in as a revenue stream- hence crazy a55 retail prices.
You would think Motorola and Verizon would learn from the Galaxy Tab debacle. It STILL does not sell well and is cheaper than the Xoom's reported price.
Samsung talked smack about over a million sold, but that was sell IN to retailers and not sell THROUGH to actual end users.
just crazy..
Neoprimal said:
I'm reading that the minimum is $800, but I doubt that's correct. They wouldn't be crazy enough, would they? Are there that many people forecasted to be willing to shell out an extra $400 for basically the same guts as the VS + 3G/4G and a better screen? I suppose people buy the iPad and that doesn't have 1/2 the features so anything's possible.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Neoprimal said:
I'm reading that the minimum is $800, but I doubt that's correct. They wouldn't be crazy enough, would they? Are there that many people forecasted to be willing to shell out an extra $400 for basically the same guts as the VS + 3G/4G and a better screen? I suppose people buy the iPad and that doesn't have 1/2 the features so anything's possible.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I saw the same post from engagdet, and still no word from verizon or Moto. One thing that I can be 100% sure is that I won't buy it.. it is crazy to pay $800 dollars for it.. and I can get the gtab for less than $400. Yes, the screen sucks + missing some sensors..
tyy10002 said:
I saw the same post from engagdet, and still no word from verizon or Moto. One thing that I can be 100% sure is that I won't buy it.. it is crazy to pay $800 dollars for it.. and I can get the gtab for less than $400. Yes, the screen sucks + missing some sensors..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Even if that $800 is the unsubsidized price, it's unrealistic IMHO.
Jim
tyy10002 said:
http://chicagoindiepress.com/1507/tech/motorola-xoom-beat-ipad-2-prices-verizon-stores/
it may be true if you sign 2 years data services with Verizon. who really knows.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
$800 is way too high.
Nexus 4: integrated battery and no microSD slot... I hope it fails badly, F*CK THEM AND ABOVE ALL F*CK APPLE, THE TREND-SETTER FOR THIS BS!!
Nexus 10: I have just sold my Galaxy Tab 10.1 3G to buy a Note 10.1 but was willing to give Google a chance first... I don't know how much the Nexus 10 weighs (which is very important to me seeing that ALL of the 10" tablets on the market today weigh too much to be ergonomic) but the deal killer is no microSD slot (and possibly no HDMI out too). Moreover, the straw that broke the camel's back was to see the MORONIC decision to bring the phone UI to a 10" tablet... stupid enough on the Nexus 7 but totally UNBELIEVABLE on the Nexus 10!!
Thank God for the Note, Note II and Note 10.1, I really don't know how any remotely knowledgeable poweruser may even consider anything else (the SIII perhaps).
Pulsu said:
Have fun with your note...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have been since almost a year now... Best smartphone (BY FAR) I have ever owned, seen, tried.
Have you seen the price? £279 for a high-end phone, the nexus line has never had micro sd slot. If you like the note just keep it and stop complaining about a phone you havent even tried yet.
MrPhilo said:
Have you seen the price? £279 for a high-end phone, the nexus line has never had micro sd slot. If you like the note just keep it and stop complaining about a phone you havent even tried yet.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its price is *immaterial* since the non-removable battery alone makes it USELESS CRAP to me.
And I am not complaining, I am COMMENTING (and venting... I LOVE Android on mobile devices and Windows 7 on PCs and I don't like the direction both of them are going).
.
Please all, keep it on topic and with respect
MrPhilo said:
Have you seen the price? £279 for a high-end phone, the nexus line has never had micro sd slot. If you like the note just keep it and stop complaining about a phone you havent even tried yet.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nexus one did.
I do agree though, stop b*tching about it.
300 or 350 for a phone that arguably has better specs than any other phone in that price range? Hell yeah
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk 2
MrPhilo said:
the nexus line has never had micro sd slot. .
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
*cough* Nexus one *cough*
But anyhow, I agree with you. This is an amazing price for a high end phone! Even though I don't like LG, the Nexus 4 looks pretty good...
And indeed 8gb (or 16) and no Microsd is lame. I wonder why that's the trend lately...?
On the other hand, I am a bit disappointed in what they've done with Android, or to be exactly, what they didn't. I mean, ICS is a year ago, so shouldn't we get a big upgrade instead of this minor improvement on JB? It's not that I don't like the improvements, I just expected more!
Sent from my Desire HD
koningjim said:
I wonder why that's the trend lately...?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Because idiots who don't really NEED and USE the full gamut of today's smartphones' capabilities buy crap with integrated batteries and no microSD slots...
xdapao3 said:
Because idiots who don't really NEED and USE the full gamut of today's smartphones' capabilities buy crap with integrated batteries and no microSD slots...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lol, so angry. Just don't buy it.
esincho said:
Lol, so angry. Just don't buy it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah that's what I thought and did when the handicapped Apple iCraps started to come out... then their (AWFUL) choices started to influence the REST of the market (the one I care about)!
xdapao3 said:
Because idiots who don't really NEED and USE the full gamut of today's smartphones' capabilities buy crap with integrated batteries and no microSD slots...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Here is where you went from commenting to complaining and insulting. This is a market place. Companies don't want to waste money giving people stuff they wont use. People is a group and in marketing means the majority of consumers/customers. I wish the phone had an SD slot but I'm not going to judge the company for making a smart business move or a--very large--group of individuals for buying the products they want. Venting is fine but don't be a ****.
I hope you're happy with your note and note 10.1. Ill be extremely happy with my S4 Pro and Google Tablet. :good:
Playing Devil's Advocate, Post count hits the Devil's number.
The Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 7 both came with no SD slot, I wasn't expecting one on the 4 or 10. I hope the real tablet UI can still be enabled in 4.2, while the Nexus 7 UI looks okay on a 7" tablet, on a 10" tablet it looks like an out of place phone UI, might as well put GB on it. I'm sure the dev community will fix that.
I don't think it will sell much at that price at $400 for a 16GB, especially with the 4th gen iPad 16GB going for only $100 more. You could probably get an 3rd gen iPad on clearance for less. Now I'm no Apple user, I can't stand them, just looking at it from the perspective of the average user.
The Nexus 4, like expected continues the trend of oversized phones. Some people may like that, but for me if I want a large screen I would use a tablet. I want a small phone that is light and pocketable. I had my hopes up for a smaller sized Nexus but it looks like that won't happen.
Vain III said:
Here is where you went from commenting to complaining and insulting. This is a market place. Companies don't want to waste money giving people stuff they wont use. People is a group and in marketing means the majority of consumers/customers. I wish the phone had an SD slot but I'm not going to judge the company for making a smart business move or a--very large--group of individuals for buying the products they want. Venting is fine but don't be a ****.
I hope you're happy with your note and note 10.1. Ill be extremely happy with my S4 Pro and Google Tablet. :good:
Playing Devil's Advocate, Post count hits the Devil's number.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The majority of users buy gadgets which they DO NOT KNOW/UNDERSTAND/WANT TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO UNDERSTAND and definitely DO NO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF but in a small part.
I rest my case.
the nexus 10 weighs lss than the latest iPad(4tth gen) coming in at 1.33 pounds (603 g).
source:http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...s-4th-generation-new-ipad-tech-spec-shootout/
Phones suck..
Sent from my HTC using xda premium
jarjar124 said:
the nexus 10 weighs lss than the latest iPad(4tth gen) coming in at 1.33 pounds (603 g).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
TNX.
The iPad shouldn't be used as a reference though. That P.O.S. is one of the heaviest 10" class tablet on the market.
The nexus 10 has mini-hdmi and miracast capability. So what are you complaining about?
Sent from my cm_tenderloin using Tapatalk 2
Sigh. A thinly veiled attempt to pressure consumers to use their cloud storage...
Battery life for the tablet may be good though.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using Xparent SkyBlue Tapatalk 2
xdapao3 said:
The majority of users buy gadgets which they DO NOT KNOW/UNDERSTAND/WANT TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO UNDERSTAND and definitely DO NO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF but in a small part.
I rest my case.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The majority of users DO NOT NEED TO/WANT TO/OR CARE TO UNDERSTAND. They shouldn't HAVE TO. Just because me, you, and other XDA fanatics have a hard on for mobile technology doesn't mean we're the main consumer. The companies follow the money so that they can continue offering updated hardware for US--XDA fanatics--to play with. If they catered to the minority they would be out more money then they make, and would most-likely stale upgrades and updates. To take full advantage; consumers would need more technical skills than they CARE to occupy.
You never had a case. You had a rant about how people weren't catering to your needs; you had a vent about how people who don't agree with you are stupid; and you had a ***** about how you won't support companies who helped improve technology in other areas--and in the past.
xdapao3 said:
TNX.
The iPad shouldn't be used as a reference though. That P.O.S. is one of the heaviest 10" class tablet on the market.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
fine...compared to the galaxy note 10.1.....its only .02 lbs heavier.... nexus 10 coming as 1.33 lb while note 10.1 is 1.31 lb
I hope this is appropriate but was wondering if any of the Devs for this device plan on doing any work for the Nexus 4 ? I have been on the My Touch since the day it came out and have finally purchased me a new Nexus 4 and honestly It would be awesome to see some of your work over there as well.
My son is inheriting the My Touch 4g so I will not be completely leaving but something honest feels strange about moving on from this phone. Don't get me wrong I am way excited about the Nexus 4 experience though
Thank you all again for everything you have brought to the My Touch World!!!
The N4 has tons of developers. No need to bring some from a device that should have been dead a year ago.
I am not sure I understand what your saying ? My Touch should have been dead a year ago so there's no point in adding a Nexus 4 as a phone that a DEV would build for ? I would think a lot of DEVS write for more than one phone anyway?
i would like to get a nexus 4, i really want a new phone but i dont earn enought to just buy it...
Enjoy N4 when u move on give it to me
jocami said:
i would like to get a nexus 4, i really want a new phone but i dont earn enought to just buy it...
Enjoy N4 when u move on give it to me
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
One of these guys., Looking for handouts huh!If you want one it is called SAVE for it ..I would like a new car but i wouldn't ask someone to give me theres when there done with it..FLAME.
...Awesome... got a Nexus 4. He released Toasted Marshmallow for it.
estallings15 said:
...Awesome... got a Nexus 4. He released Toasted Marshmallow for it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What up Bro! Yep I seen that! Sure is alot to choose from over there! I heard that stock rom with franco kernel is way to go is that true.(I have no idea since i don't have one yet.)I am getting one myself next month and just curious.
Should have waited another month and got a real phone.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
garleest said:
Should have waited another month and got a real phone.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That looks sweet maybe I will just wait until that comes out !I am fine for now with my sensation and still have my glacier as a back up so I am in no rush anyhow!
estallings15 said:
...Awesome... got a Nexus 4. He released Toasted Marshmallow for it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
He actually got rid of it supposedly.
He's getting the HTC one
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
---------- Post added at 02:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:28 PM ----------
K-JACKS said:
What up Bro! Yep I seen that! Sure is alot to choose from over there! I heard that stock rom with franco kernel is way to go is that true.(I have no idea since i don't have one yet.)I am getting one myself next month and just curious.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Um, no.
PUB or Carbon ROM with either Franco or Trinity Kernel. I prefer Franco's for the colors but Trinity gives me better battery. Project ELE is pretty good too.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
---------- Post added at 02:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:32 PM ----------
garleest said:
Should have waited another month and got a real phone.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That would've been a great phone if it didn't have the sense overlay and was released a few months ago. KLP is right around the corner and who knows how long it'll take HTC to push out that update. It is a nice phone though.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
invasion2 said:
The N4 has tons of developers. No need to bring some from a device that should have been dead a year ago.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
NO! The mt4g is going to live on! Do you realize that right now the mt4g has a more recent version (the most recent one, 4.2.2)of android through custom rooms than MOST new phones? HOW BOUT THAT?! The mytouch 4g is never going to die. There is a lot of love for this oldie, and people really like the hardware. Jelly bean actually runs faster than gingerbread on my particular device! Not only that, but its actually a popular phone. You can still see many people walking around with a mt4g.
Sent from my MyTouch 4G using xda app-developers app
K-JACKS said:
What up Bro! Yep I seen that! Sure is alot to choose from over there! I heard that stock rom with franco kernel is way to go is that true.(I have no idea since i don't have one yet.)I am getting one myself next month and just curious.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
He didn't get rid of it, last I head. He hard bricked it and it has to be repaired.
There is no best ROM. PM or gtalk me what features you like and I'll give you some places to start. There are several GREAT kernels with a myriad of features. We can discuss that.
---------- Post added at 12:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:42 PM ----------
garleest said:
Should have waited another month and got a real phone.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is always a newer, more powerful phone right around the corner. Quite frankly a LOT of people are sick to death of HTC's locked down bootloaders, HTC Dev, and slow updates. While the Nexus 4 is simple, it's quite literally made for nerds. Unlocking the bootloader is as simple as a single fastboot command. From there it's gravy. To each his own, though. The beauty of Android is choice.
There is always a newer said:
Bottom line for me is QUALITY. And I just don't see it in the Nexus 4.
There's a reason the Nexus 4 only costs $299. As the saying goes "you get what you pay for"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
htc_mytouch said:
Bottom line for me is QUALITY. And I just don't see it in the Nexus 4.
There's a reason the Nexus 4 only costs $299. As the saying goes "you get what you pay for"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Nexus 4 is a "QUALITY" device.
The price is low b/c Google sells their devices at prices close to how much it costs to make the device. The phone is actually more expensive at other retailers than the $299 8gb model you saw on Google Play. The phone is $599 if you buy it from Best Buy for example.
As far as "you get what you pay for", that can be interpreted to be negative for something "cheap" and something "expensive"
For example: Buying a crappy 10in, off-brand no name Android tablet w/ an 800x480 resolution and a dual core 1ghz processor for maybe $79.99
Second example: Buying an apple product. Nuff said.
But while we're talking about apple, I should mention that the iPhone 5 costs apple roughly ~$200 to make. Let that soak in.
I2IEAILiiTY said:
The Nexus 4 is a "QUALITY" device.
The price is low b/c Google sells their devices at prices close to how much it costs to make the device. The phone is actually more expensive at other retailers than the $299 8gb model you saw on Google Play. The phone is $599 if you buy it from Best Buy for example.
As far as "you get what you pay for", that can be interpreted to be negative for something "cheap" and something "expensive"
For example: Buying a crappy 10in, off-brand no name Android tablet w/ an 800x480 resolution and a dual core 1ghz processor for maybe $79.99
Second example: Buying an apple product. Nuff said.
But while we're talking about apple, I should mention that the iPhone 5 costs apple roughly ~$200 to make. Let that soak in.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well said. You won't get anything across to that troll, though. Some people are too stubborn to learn.
I2IEAILiiTY said:
The Nexus 4 is a "QUALITY" device.
The price is low b/c Google sells their devices at prices close to how much it costs to make the device. The phone is actually more expensive at other retailers than the $299 8gb model you saw on Google Play. The phone is $599 if you buy it from Best Buy for example.
As far as "you get what you pay for", that can be interpreted to be negative for something "cheap" and something "expensive"
For example: Buying a crappy 10in, off-brand no name Android tablet w/ an 800x480 resolution and a dual core 1ghz processor for maybe $79.99
Second example: Buying an apple product. Nuff said.
But while we're talking about apple, I should mention that the iPhone 5 costs apple roughly ~$200 to make. Let that soak in.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Since your therory is that the Nexus 4 is so much more valuable than $299.00. I have a great ideal for you.
Buy 100 of them at $299 with tax and shipping the final price should be around $350 per phone. Total price= $35000.00
List them on Ebay for 599.00 plus free shipping and no taxes Total sales would be $59900.00 - $6000 for shipping and fees Grand Total Sales =53900.00
Your profit would be $18,900.00 How could you turn down that much easy money? Hell if you can't do a 100. Do 5 that would be almost a $1000.00 profit
Some how I don't think your theroy would work. I just seen a brand new in the box on a buy it now for $325.00 shipping included.
A value of an object is what market will bear. Nothing else. The reason Google is selling them so cheap is they found one of the cheapest manufacturers to make them. Do you actually think that they would be selling at $299 if Samsung or Htc made them?
Nothing to learn here other than a Nexus 4 is worth about $299.00. In a few months $150.00
htc_mytouch said:
Since your therory is that the Nexus 4 is so much more valuable than $299.00. I have a great ideal for you.
Buy 100 of them at $299 with tax and shipping the final price should be around $350 per phone. Total price= $35000.00
List them on Ebay for 599.00 plus free shipping and no taxes Total sales would be $59900.00 - $6000 for shipping and fees Grand Total Sales =53900.00
Your profit would be $18,900.00 How could you turn down that much easy money? Hell if you can't do a 100. Do 5 that would be almost a $1000.00 profit
Some how I don't think your theroy would work. I just seen a brand new in the box on a buy it now for $325.00 shipping included.
A value of an object is what market will bear. Nothing else. The reason Google is selling them so cheap is they found one of the cheapest manufacturers to make them. Do you actually think that they would be selling at $299 if Samsung or Htc made them?
Nothing to learn here other than a Nexus 4 is worth about $299.00. In a few months $150.00
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Except that the GNex sold for $299. Who made that again? Oh, right. Samsung.
htc_mytouch said:
Since your therory is that the Nexus 4 is so much more valuable than $299.00. I have a great ideal for you.
Buy 100 of them at $299 with tax and shipping the final price should be around $350 per phone. Total price= $35000.00
List them on Ebay for 599.00 plus free shipping and no taxes Total sales would be $59900.00 - $6000 for shipping and fees Grand Total Sales =53900.00
Your profit would be $18,900.00 How could you turn down that much easy money? Hell if you can't do a 100. Do 5 that would be almost a $1000.00 profit
Some how I don't think your theroy would work. I just seen a brand new in the box on a buy it now for $325.00 shipping included.
A value of an object is what market will bear. Nothing else. The reason Google is selling them so cheap is they found one of the cheapest manufacturers to make them. Do you actually think that they would be selling at $299 if Samsung or Htc made them?
Nothing to learn here other than a Nexus 4 is worth about $299.00. In a few months $150.00
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You are completely fixating on an irrelevant point. All he is saying is just because it is priced competitively, doesn't mean its a low quality device. You need to understand that you can't judge the quality of a device by the markup a cell phone carrier may make. For example, T-Mobile charges 413 dollars for a Galaxy S2, no way in hell that STILL costs that much to build a plastic phone, but, by your logic, the build quality would be better and it would be a WAY better phone. See what i am getting at? Don't go around trying to be argumentative and douchey, i saw your post on the B.S. thread. Take it down a notch.
THEindian said:
You are completely fixating on an irrelevant point. All he is saying is just because it is priced competitively, doesn't mean its a low quality device. You need to understand that you can't judge the quality of a device by the markup a cell phone carrier may make. For example, T-Mobile charges 413 dollars for a Galaxy S2, no way in hell that STILL costs that much to build a plastic phone, but, by your logic, the build quality would be better and it would be a WAY better phone. See what i am getting at? Don't go around trying to be argumentative and douchey, i saw your post on the B.S. thread. Take it down a notch.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is what I said "Bottom line for me is QUALITY. And I just don't see it in the Nexus 4" And I still don't.
I'm hearing rumors that the back cracks around the camera and it's easily scratched. If that's the case I don't consider that a quality build. Really don't want a phone that looks two years old after 6 months.
As far as cost. Other people brought that into the equation. Which was really irrelevent because my statement was always about build quality. Period! But I respo
nded because i felt I was getting smoke blown up my A** It doesn't matter if the phone is $299 or $599 if it has issues I don't want it.
This is just one of the articles I've read.
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-4-cracked-back-glass-135237/
htc_mytouch said:
This is what I said "Bottom line for me is QUALITY. And I just don't see it in the Nexus 4" And I still don't.
I'm hearing rumors that the back cracks around the camera and it's easily scratched. If that's the case I don't consider that a quality build. Really don't want a phone that looks two years old after 6 months.
As far as cost. Other people brought that into the equation. Which was really irrelevent because my statement was always about build quality. Period! But I respo
nded because i felt I was getting smoke blown up my A** It doesn't matter if the phone is $299 or $599 if it has issues I don't want it.
This is just one of the articles I've read.
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-4-cracked-back-glass-135237/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
All phones have issues. HTC can definitely attest to that. Never seen one of theirs that didn't. There is no perfect phone.
My N4 hasn't cracked because I keep a bumper on it and my back isn't scratched because I keep a clear protector on it. The phone still looks amazing. Problem solved. By the way, I work outside, every weekday, regardless of the weather. I have zero issues with the quality of the build of this device and I have it in my hand every day. I also came from a myTouch 4G, so I know what solid build quality feels like.
This will be the phone of my dreams. Will be getting it when it comes out. Will you? :good:
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-google-edition-real
It's nice but the price is a nightmare.
Paying Samsung 650 to unlock and run AOSP on S4.. That's how I see it.
The Google edition samsung galaxy s4 seems a little garbage to me. Why does it have capactive buttons instead of onscreen buttons, hence ruining the "nexus" experience.
Since it has LTE I bet its the qualcomm snapdragon processor, which means aosp roms for snapdragon S4s will be quite stable but exynos one will still have problems.
Anyone wanting a "pure" stock experience better get a nexus 4 or nexus 10.
price is the only problem
I still wonder why onboard storage is so low. Yes, I understand that you can use a SD which can get pretty big, but wouldn't it be better to have more than just 16GB for developers?
Why didn't they just upgrade the damn nexus 4 with LTE. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
Beerad875 said:
Why didn't they just upgrade the damn nexus 4 with LTE. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That would just be way too logical lol.
Anyway, I love my S4. I wanted the Nexus 4 beforehand. Missing LTE, LG (never had an LG) & something else kept from buying it. The Google S4 seems to the tip of the iceberg. Of course after all the preordering & the waiting, they release this lol. I want it. Love/hate lol :banghead:
Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2
Hopping it gets proper drivers from Samsung. Otherwise what's the point...
And agree pricing is too high.
The Google IO room fell really silent when pricing was announced.
Price is too high
TiltedAz said:
It's nice but the price is a nightmare.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Really?
It's cheaper than the regular S4 in the Netherlands...
Which is 889 USD.
For the 16GB edition.
Send From My Samsung Galaxy S3 Using Tapatalk 2
TiltedAz said:
It's nice but the price is a nightmare.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
buttchertom said:
price is the only problem
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ryanallan said:
And agree pricing is too high.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
jorgexda91 said:
Price is too high
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
High compared to what? If you look at what an unsubsidised, unlocked, off-contract S4 costs in the US, it's $629. The Google version is only $20 more, and that's probably not too bad considering that you should get OS version updates around the same time as the Nexus phones, not 6-12 months later.
If you're comparing the price to what you pay on a contract, of course it's more expensive. When you buy the phone on contract, the carrier pays part of the price because they know they can suck money out of you and you're contractually obliged to keep paying them. You win, but you also lose.
to everyone complaining about a 649 price tag, the GS4 of both variants (exynos and snapdragon) here in australia are like, 699 dollars outright unlocked at the cheapest....
I really don't think the price is that terrible. The S4 is a top of the line device that was not built with keeping the price down in mind. What's going to be stopping people though from just buying a regular S4 on contract or cheaper used then just waiting for this one to come out. Samsung is more than likely going to be providing the drivers therefore that could be of help to such AOSP roms like CM.
I wonder if it would be possible to just put the stock firmware on to carrier purchased S4 and receive updates straight from google that way. I think that should be possible considering the hardware is exactly the same.
everything is ok , just about the high price
Times they are a changin' folks. The days of carrier subsidized phones could be near. Soon we'll have a better feel for what the consumer will pay for a smartphone. This will put the hurt on phone manufacturers to set realistic price and profit margins.
i suspect the S4 Google Edition's initial unlocked price has more to do with taking advantage of bleeding edge, must have, first adopters. You know who you are. Knock yourselves out.
Uhh, $650 is about the price for an unsubsidized, unlocked premium phone. You Nexus folk are a little spoiled with Google selling you phones at wholesale price. GSM carriers would flip if Google sold the S4, wholesale.
It came as a big surprise when Google announced this, but it's an interesting move. I kinda wish they just upgraded the Nexus 4 though... LTE and more storage (or SD slot) and it would be the perfect phone.
like this comment: "All this means is that the modding community now has a stock Android build for the GS4.":silly:
Lim Wee Huat said:
Paying Samsung 650 to unlock and run AOSP on S4.. That's how I see it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
native AOSP without voiding any warranties, with over the air updates that come earlier than any other S4 updates and no chance for bricking and probably a further 6 months or so of native (i.e. none/very few of the bugs) updates after samsung gives up on the S4
why are they shooting for cheap?? why not price it at 500-600 dollars but make it a quality phone?? show the world what they are capable of.
HRodMusic said:
why are they shooting for cheap?? why not price it at 500-600 dollars but make it a quality phone?? show the world what they are capable of.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Price at £500, get x sales
Price at £300, get 2x sales + recognition as a reasonably pricing company, with a quality product, and a lot more factors.
It's business. That's why.
Why post this question? This is another useless thread.
Honestly the nexus 5's quality is on par with some of the higher end smartphones available right now. Admittingly the speakers and camera are not the best, but other than that it's a good phone. There's really no reason for most companies to jack up the price of their phones to $500-600. Just because it costs that much doesn't mean it's quality. If you look at how much it costs to build a nexus phone, vs a leading high end smartphone, you'll see there's not a lot of difference.
They want to put this phone in as many hands as they can. What do you think they make all that money from?
What do you mean? Google is barely charging a mark up. That's why its cheap. Not because they're using. Cheap parts
Sent from my C6906 using xda app-developers app
sunil237 said:
Price at £500, get x sales
Price at £300, get 2x sales + recognition as a reasonably pricing company, with a quality product, and a lot more factors.
It's business. That's why.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
than have 2 products. gotta please your other customers that want the very best.
jd1639 said:
Why post this question? This is another useless thread.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
its not useless, i just want to see what other people think. if you disagree, then tell me why you prefer just the cheap version.
Thanks.
You realize that there will be moments in your life when you can't have everything go your way, right? - Google
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
HRodMusic said:
its not useless, i just want to see what other people think. if you disagree, then tell me why you prefer just the cheap version.
Thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think you're the only one here who believes this phone is cheap. Again as stated before, Google does not mark up their devices very much, thus creating a more affordable price. Samsung, HTC, Apple, everyone else will mark theirs up a lot more, but they also do this to pay the middle man (warehouses, retail stores, etc). Google sells their own hardware on their own website, so they're cutting out a lot of the middle men, thus keeping prices down.
Rarscaryfrosty said:
I think you're the only one here who believes this phone is cheap. Again as stated before, Google does not mark up their devices very much, thus creating a more affordable price. Samsung, HTC, Apple, everyone else will mark theirs up a lot more, but they also do this to pay the middle man (warehouses, retail stores, etc). Google sells their own hardware on their own website, so they're cutting out a lot of the middle men, thus keeping prices down.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i guess my expectations where just very high, and all we got was a mediocre phone that competes with early this year devices, gs4 and htc one etc...
Seems like people are really stuck on stats and fluff.
So if the N5 had aluminum, would that make it "premium"?
Does it need a 42MP camera, with 3.5GHz 8 core CPU, 4GB RAM, 4K display and 128GB ROM?
Why not make a smart phone that is truly smart, doesn't need bleeding edge stats to run AND be affordable. Oh, that's right Google has already done that with the Moto X and now N5.
HRodMusic said:
i guess my expectations where just very high, and all we got was a mediocre phone that competes with early this year devices, gs4 and htc one etc...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You have had 15 phones in the past 39 months (a phone change every 2.6 months). I don't see why this is a big deal for you. If they did make a 'better phone' there would be an even better one released a couple months later. They are building a brand...normal people are starting to understand what a Nexus device is (and most can afford one). To put a whole new chipset in a phone requires substantially more money and carries more chances of bugs. Google is starting to influence hardware chip designs with Android's features and I am sure they have a plan to release a feature complete phone that is better than everything else in due time.
Stop complaining and enjoy your new toy.
Then the OEMS have no reason to complete other than custom skins. Like Microsoft and windows 8 tablet and phones
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
HRodMusic said:
i guess my expectations where just very high, and all we got was a mediocre phone that competes with early this year devices, gs4 and htc one etc...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sell it and buy yourself an Iphone 5S, you haven't tried that yet. Maybe that will satisfy your high expectations. :fingers-crossed:
grneyez said:
Sell it and buy yourself an Iphone 5S, you haven't tried that yet. Maybe that will satisfy your high expectations. :fingers-crossed:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hahaha naw im good with the iphone 5 for now.
Can we have this thread closed, it's another unnecessary thread that doesn't help with anything and is also in the wrong section.
Please close.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Nexus 5 is awesome. Enuff said!
Also agree pointless thread.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
The Nexus `s are meant to serve as an example and showcase for other oem`s regarding how software should be like. That aside the Nexus 5 hardware is very very good compared to the price you pay
Can't wait till all the love or hate threads die down.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk