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Hello,
I wanted to ask is it legal to create WM6 ROMs for the HTC Wizard . Thnx in advance .
We are not CREATING ROMS, we are EDITING them to our needs and specifications.. for instance u dont like something that comes in the rom, or u want to add something to the rom (thus saving u space, for storage and Program) you just EDIt the rom.... by using the kitchens and packages.. hope i have answered your question
funkadesi said:
We are not CREATING ROMS, we are EDITING them to our needs and specifications.. for instance u dont like something that comes in the rom, or u want to add something to the rom (thus saving u space, for storage and Program) you just EDIt the rom.... by using the kitchens and packages.. hope i have answered your question
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Sorry but still my questions remains but a changed a bit now, IS EDITING ROMS TO OUR NEEDS ILLEGAL? Thnx to funkadesi.
i would say this with some certainty, but maybe a senior member can correct me:
to edit a ROM to your own specifications and put on your device for your own personal use is not illegal, as long as the method by which the original rom was obtained was not illegal.
to edit a ROM and redistribute it to others likely crosses a legal line.
Why Does It Matter???
I'm curious why it matters so much. Fact is, for the Wizard, we would not and never will have a true WM6...and frankly, I could care less if I have a cooked rom, especially since my rom is better than what I would get from Tmo...who also will not provide any updates. So if I am to be held to pay for a new device for hundreds of dollars to have a WM6 rom, or use one of XDA's talented chef/developer's rom's...well hands down, I will stick with xda. If that makes me illegal, screw it. I refuse to use the crappy stock Tmo WM5 rom that came on my device...it is slow and buggy and needed daily rebooting. The only time my phone gets a reboot now is when I have to do it for a program install or uninstall. My beloved Jaguar is so dependably stable...I will never go back to a stock rom!!
I honestly do not know the ethics/morality behind cooking a rom, and really don't care either!! All I know is that XDA has given more to the "Wizarding" community than M$, Tmo, AT&T or any of those other greedy bastards ever have or ever will. I sleep just fine at night despite my use of NTS's rom.
Tell me this...let's say you bought a designer suit, but it didn't quite fit right...would tailoring it to your needs be in some violation? You bought the suit, you need it to fit you, so you modify to do so.
I bought the MDA. Someone somewhere also bought a device with WM6...it got tailored to my needs. Not point by point the same thing as my suit example, but since M$ refuses to produce a WM6 for a my device, why should I be punished and forced to buy a different device when my Wizard works so well?? Why buy another suit to wear when you can simply get the one you have tailored to fit you?
xsbeats said:
i would say this with some certainty, but maybe a senior member can correct me:
to edit a ROM to your own specifications and put on your device for your own personal use is not illegal, as long as the method by which the original rom was obtained was not illegal.
to edit a ROM and redistribute it to others likely crosses a legal line.
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I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .
xda2_haseeb said:
I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .
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See, now more info is coming out from you. You are not wondering if it is illegal...you are wondering if posting a cooked rom on YOUR WEBSITE illegal. That would be something for the mods to answer...
I do not know the legality behind it, but XDA developers share their rom's here. Now I think if you tried to SELL a cooked rom, you could definately end up in some legal issues.
basically it doesn't really matter if it's illegal or not, it's nothing that will ever come back to you...
picture this...a cop jumps out of his car and is on fire, and you pee on him to put the fire out...yeah, you pee'd on a cop, but you also saved his life. lol, that probably proved nothing, but i found it kind of funny. basically it may be illegal it may not be, but nothing will ever come of it, so i wouldn't even ponder on it too much
All I'd say is that you make sure the rom you post is your work...because if you post another cook's rom without their permission or without giving them the credit, you will most probably have a pissed off XDA developer on your ass...and I'd think that could be worse than any BS legal threats that M$ will probably never do!!!
xda2_haseeb said:
I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .
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XDA-Dev used to store the roms right here on this website. Due to pressure from cell companies (as I understand it), Microsoft used legal threats to force xda-dev to remove all the roms (that was almost a year ago, and many felt that would kill this site). Thats why you mostly have to deal with getting them via rapidshare or whatever.
The Eula says WM is not to be modified or redistibuted.
I do know that some people from htc, Microsoft and AT&T watch this site and actually love the work that goes on here (Others definetly don't feel the same).
Just my thoughts...
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I do know that some people from htc, Microsoft and AT&T watch this site and actually love the work that goes on here
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That is because XDA kicks ass!
(Others definetly don't feel the same)
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Well that would probably be similar to having penis envy...
they know XDA rocks and that they don't match up!
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^^^Well at least that is my view on the subject!^^^
Here's the bottom line, when you get down to it.
You kill a resource like this, a lot of Wizard owners will buy a Nokia.
Then Microsoft and HTC never sell that person another device/OS on a mobile platform.
That's kind of a problem for them. Unlike the desktop PC where you pretty much have to run Windows for a lot of purposes, on the mobile side there is no particular need to use a HTC device or Windows Mobile - there ARE other, competing alternatives that in fact have majority market share.
The carriers "efforts" in this regard are beyond lame and border on stupid. The instability in most of the stock ROMs are nutty bad and there is no "retail" upgrade option available (that is, unlike my home PC, for which I CAN go buy Vista, the option doesn't exist for my HTC Wizard)
Here's an ineresting article that has a Microsoftie recommending using some rom tools to pull out products like rdp for various reasons
msmobiles article
Money Quote:
MSMobiles said:
Scott Yost from Windows Mobile division of Microsoft USA, who specializes there in code signing, security policies, revocation and certificates, admits:
There are unsupported tools externally available that are able to copy the modules out of ROM and then try to reconstruct the original file. If you still need to extract those bytes, you can probably find one of those tools.
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Thnx everybosy for there replies my question is now answered, i have come to the point that:
""I can edit and keep a ROM on my own site""
Do correct if mistaken.
Thnx to all.
I was just thinking... someone could write up an application that does the following:
It verifies you are running RC29. If not, it directs you to the sticky post on xda-developers (or sends you an email with the link).
The application contains a modified/rooted recovery image.
The application tells the user to type "telnetd" + enter.
Once telnetd is running, it telnets into localhost and automatically remounts the /system partition, and replaces the recovery image.
For noobs, it would trivialize a lot of the difficulty of rooting.
I'm pretty busy porting native applications and Mono to work with Android (almost done though!) but wanted to just throw this idea out there for someone else to pick up.
I can also provide source code for my Telnet client that is currently used to do the rooting. That would make a good starting point.
Its a good idea, though whether it makes it onto the market is another question. If u want root bad enough, then u should be able to figure it out through the threads here like i did
Even better, it automatically grabs an RC29 NBH from a server, saves it to SD, verifies the SD is FAT32, verifies its hash, renames it to DREAIMG.NBH and instructs the user to boot into bootloader mode.
I think this would be VERY helpful for those ignorant idiots who post on root-only apps and rate them down because they don't know how to operate Google.
Also, I think it should include an option to download the DREAMIMG.NBH file and put it in the root so that RC30 users can downgrade.
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Its a good idea, though whether it makes it onto the market is another question. If u want root bad enough, then u should be able to figure it out through the threads here like i did
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The thing is, this is exactly why the Android market is supposed to be better than the AppStore. There is no "official approval" process. Apps can get taken down if they are malicious, but as long as a developer has paid their $25, their apps can go straight to the Market.
I think we are all dreaming that an application like this would ever hit the market. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but think about what we putting in front of EVERYONE that owns a G1.
Do you really think everyone that owns a G1 should be trusted with root access?
What happens when the first application that comes to market place exploits root access and really does some damage/malicious to your precious G1.
I'd suggest rethinking this one.
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I think we are all dreaming that an application like this would ever hit the market. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but think about what we putting in front of EVERYONE that owns a G1.
Do you really think everyone that owns a G1 should be trusted with root access?
What happens when the first application that comes to market place exploits root access and really does some damage/malicious to your precious G1.
I'd suggest rethinking this one.
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Root access is protected by Superuser.
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Root access is protected by Superuser.
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I get that which is a nice feature, but I thought Superuser is only available in JF images. I don't recall having an application on my stock RC30 called Superuser and it's not found in market place.
What did I miss?
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I get that which is a nice feature, but I thought Superuser is only available in JF images. I don't recall having an application on my stock RC30 called Superuser and it's not found in market place.
What did I miss?
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It was on the market for a while. Now its incorporated into the jf updates
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It was on the market for a while. Now its incorporated into the jf updates
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ah then I retract all previous statements dam newbs always spouting off thinking they know everything
"root kit" is kind of an unfortunate name, don't ya think ;-)
Also, it seems like Google could certainly pull the download for violating Dev Distribution Agreement Section 4.4:
Prohibited Actions. You agree that you will not engage in any activity with the Market, including the development or distribution of Products, that interferes with, disrupts, damages, or accesses in an unauthorized manner the devices, servers, networks, or other properties or services of any third party including, but not limited to, Android Users, Google or any mobile network operator.
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Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?
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Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?
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I'd cancel my account
So just post the app online without putting it on the Market. Then the whole G1 world isn't stumbling across it, but you can pass the link to friends who would like root but who are too scared or too busy to go through the process themselves.
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So just post the app online without putting it on the Market. Then the whole G1 world isn't stumbling across it, but you can pass the link to friends who would like root but who are too scared or too busy to go through the process themselves.
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if they are too scared they shouldn't have root in the first place. You won't understand what Superuser is truly asking of you and give the wrong application permission then Tmobile will have an influx of calls about "damaged phones."
Busy people have friends like us that can always barter something out of them, just add to the long list of favors.
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So just post the app online without putting it on the Market.
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My line of thought is, if user x can't follow the instructions in the stickies to get root, then he/she probably shouldn't have root access to begin with. I don't want my phone price to be subsidizing the cost of replacing returns from users who bricked (or mistakenly think they've bricked) their phones doing things that are not officially supported by T-Mo/HTC.
...just my $0.02.
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My line of thought is, if user x can't follow the instructions in the stickies to get root, then he/she probably shouldn't have root access to begin with. I don't want my phone price to be subsidizing the cost of replacing returns from users who bricked (or mistakenly think they've bricked) their phones doing things that are not officially supported by T-Mo/HTC.
...just my $0.02.
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i completely agree... if you cant read then root is not for you.... there are alot of posts that are well written
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Even better, it automatically grabs an RC29 NBH from a server, saves it to SD, verifies the SD is FAT32, verifies its hash, renames it to DREAIMG.NBH and instructs the user to boot into bootloader mode.
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It might even be possible to do a force reboot into bootloader. I know how to force-reboot into recovery, but I'm not sure if a similar method can force-reboot into the bootloader.
F the market, its a place for kids to hang out and yell "First" when their 3rd. What joke the Market has been. Cant get an honest review anymore, its all about Obama, gays, being first, and lack of "good games". Nobody even cares that the app says "this is only a test, you probably shouldnt download it", they do and leave bad reviews. Idiots.
If something like this comes to fruition, make them come HERE for it, so their asses can be banned for being chilish
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Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?
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If i had a nickel for every noob that spammed the board right now...
I really like the idea of putting it all in one complete package with as little user input as possible, but I don't think that the Android Market would be a suitable place to put it. People who don't even know what root is shouldn't have it offered to them. They should at least have to know enough to Google "root on android" and maybe be lead to one of our threads containing the link to this kit. If it goes on the market I would suggest not branding it in any way.
I support the root package idea in any case.
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i completely agree... if you cant read then root is not for you.... there are alot of posts that are well written
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One of the issues for some people is that there *are* a lot of posts. To get from point A to point B I had to read through one sticky on how to downgrade to RC29, complete with many pages of replies in order to get a handle on possible problems and solutions, then another sticky on flashing to modified recovery image so that I could find how to install the test keys, then another stick on upgrading to JF1.3, again with many pages of replies with potential errors and solutions, and then I realized I hadn't done the engineering bootloader yet so I had to find another sticky to read through.
I did it, and it was easy, but, wanting to be safe, I had to spend several hours paging through stickies in order to make sure I had a good grasp on the whole picture.
I would not have minded having the process automated a bit. I know what I'm doing and I could have used that time for other things.
Additionally, I think it would cut down on questions from n00bs going step-by-step through stickies and making basic errors. Because right now they're still going to go through the stickies and make dumb mistakes and ask the same questions, and of that only a small fraction will understand what they're doing and take an interest in how bootloaders and recovery images work and become the sort of users that should have root.
As it is now, I don't see the stickies as being much of a barrier to entry for those who don't know what they're doing and might brick their phones. They're doing it anyway. Might as well give them something to do it for them so they don't brick the phone right off the bat, and don't flood forums with posts about encountering errors cause by typing errors.
Just my $0.02!
Anyone got a copy of that? With a shield the app that launches when you hit the shield button I need that exact app.
Looking to try spoofing tegra in my nexus 4 to try streaming with a normal controller
Thanks!
I hope someone makes this happen, due to it streaming I can't see hardware being a limitation.
It could be like the Ouya framework though... Dependent on the actual device.
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I sure hope someone will be able to release the APK. I would be interested in using it on my Galaxy S3.
It's not the same as the TegraZone already on the Play store?
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It's not the same as the TegraZone already on the Play store?
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No, it is not. And while I can't speak too much about it, it's not just a side-load onto any device. So don't be holding your breath about someone uploading the APK and getting all the features running this week.
right....because it sooo hard to make rudimentary changes to a launcher.
The APK is called Dashboard.apk. It resides in /system/app and can be launched as a normal app.
?? Then why did you say the opposite not 2 posts ago?
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right....because it sooo hard to make rudimentary changes to a launcher.
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Let me know when you get this working, since you love trolling. One of us has been helping everyone to the largest extent they can. The other is just demanding a bunch of stuff since he doesn't want to buy one himself.
I will personally post the full system image tonight if it isn't already uploaded by then. And you can go to town, I'm seriously curious about how much you can get working this week, since its obviously so easy.
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?? Then why did you say the opposite not 2 posts ago?
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It won't do anything. It will crash on another device.
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You're the one going around posting false information. And asking for a system dump is not "demanding a bunch of stuff".
If you want to get into a pissing match about who's done more to help the XDA community, you're gonna lose. I've done alot more than post some roms for the EVO 3D. If anyone's a troll here its you.
And 20x more people have found my comments helpful. So you're still trolling. What false info have I given?
Unlike you i'm not a thanks whore, and the thanks meter wasn't even implemented when I started posting on XDA. I have released numerous firmware images and sbf files that would otherwise have not been obtainable, saving countless devices in the process(See the technician only Xoom recovery file that was the only way to restore a bricked Xoom for months after release). That's a little more important to me than some likes.
Oh and False info? You just said not a few moments ago it runs like a normal app.
Now now boys, calm down.
I must admit I am on legions side on most of his points so far. This is a community forum for the general public and what we do here is Share and Mod. I do believe "agrabren" that as you are part of the Nvidia team you don't want to see parts of your product ported and such, but the product is now in the hands of the user and so now it is up to us what we do with our purchases.
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Oh and False info? You just said not a few moments ago it runs like a normal app.
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It didn't occur to me that I might need to explain that in more detail, but in hind-sight, it does need clarification. What I mean, and meant from the beginning, is that the framework doesn't issue any "magic" to launch that app. There's no special "back-door" entry into that APK which makes it work on the device, nor is the Intent anyway modified. My natural instinct is to distrust every aspect of a system app that doesn't sideload correctly. In this case, I gave extra insight into areas of attack on getting the APK to load on other devices by eliminating one method a company could use for an app that has a special method of launch (the center button on the device).
So my statement, properly clarified, is that the APK itself has nothing special about it in regards to Intent launching or its AndroidManifest.xml, but that without some efforts with other components, will not run directly on another device, especially one based on a non-Tegra device.
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Now now boys, calm down.
I must admit I am on legions side on most of his points so far. This is a community forum for the general public and what we do here is Share and Mod. I do believe "agrabren" that as you are part of the Nvidia team you don't want to see parts of your product ported and such, but the product is now in the hands of the user and so now it is up to us what we do with our purchases.
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Great, except I've actually been trying to help most people with most parts of ROM sharing and modding. I've already said that I'm going to post the OTA1 system and boot images, in their official entirety, as well as I'll probably post a rooted version as well. I've been helping people prevent bricking their devices.
If you'd rather I just go away, I'm happy to. But I wouldn't expect anyone else from NVIDIA to be reaching out to get CM10.2 up and running on this device, or to get a custom recovery up and running quickly. I've never objected to him getting the system image, I'm all for it being uploaded and even promised to do so. I'm trying to help clarify what will work easily and what won't. I even answered the question that nobody else had, the APK he's asking for (because he didn't know the name of it) is Dashboard.apk, and it resides in /system/app. His contributions right now to the SHIELD forums on XDA are: Give me the system image, give me some APKs that may be on the device! That rubs me the wrong way as a person who has spent plenty of time developing ROMs for different phones, helping fix kernels for multiple CM-supported devices, and who has *always* fought for companies to give to the community. Unlockable bootloader? Yeah, I was part of that push. I'm trying my best to get as much source as possible made public.
Maybe I came off poorly in this thread (because this was after the thread asking for an apk that has only been demoed at tradeshows and special press meetings). So I'm sorry if I came off wrong, but while everyone else is helping each other out, he's just demanding stuff.
I what world do you live in that posting a thread asking for a system image and a possibly pre-loaded app qualifies as "demanding stuff"? Why should I have to have done anything to be worthy of your approval to post such a thread?
There is a huge conflict of interest with you both working for Nvidia and unofficially releasing official firmware and hacks, so frankly no, I don't trust you being involved in this devices xda development.
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I what world do you live in that posting a thread asking for a system image and a possibly pre-loaded app qualifies as "demanding stuff"? Why should I have to have done anything to be worthy of your approval to post such a thread?
There is a huge conflict of interest with you both working for Nvidia and unofficially releasing official firmware and hacks, so frankly no, I don't trust you being involved in this devices xda development.
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So a guy who doesn't own the device is not going to trust ROMs I make for a device he doesn't own. Oops, no loss to me. You can go back to trolling, I'm done with your thread. You have your system image and boot image in either manner you want it.
Oops, my bad. It wasn't your thread, you just came into this thread to troll me. My mistake.
Raptor, if you check in the Android Development section, you'll find the system images. I'd suggest the ZIP version, because it's both smaller and already extracted. The system.img is an uncompress image to be flashed via fastboot in case someone messes up their system or boot partitions.
Hello readers, I am a cyber forensic developer and analyst.
While looking over automatic rooting softwares and websites I came across 2 programmes that installed smpt keyloggers to the system directory.
I am yet to analyse how it works [Will be updated when I do]
Till than please make sure don't use any auto rooting software.
For rooting please refer to our xda friends and developers who has posted several rooting methods through odin and a root file along with a custom recovery.
Administrators are requested to pin this post for the digital safety of the newbies and other victims.
Leave a thanks it it helped you
If you could link to, or describe these programs it would be even better
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If you could link to, or describe these programs it would be even better
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I am yet to analyse those files.
I captured two outgoing files,
1. Keylog068.file
2. PhoneGal.file
keylog seems like a text file but it is encrypted.
I cannot link them to the rooting websites and softwares unless I am positive about the threat.
Please report the link or program used to root... Otherwise downloading programs outside of XDA come with malware pre-installed. Try using methods to root any tablet/phone from known sources specially rooting software found within XDA itself.
The government is watching me? Even in my tinfoil hat?
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Please report the link or program used to root... Otherwise downloading programs outside of XDA come with malware pre-installed. Try using methods to root any tablet/phone from known sources specially rooting software found within XDA itself.
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I cannot report unless i am 100% sure the program steals our keylogs. I am trying to crack the encryption, and will report back soon
(Actually i am a bit slow with rainbow tables )
cybe4_f0rencic_d3v said:
I cannot report unless i am 100% sure the program steals our keylogs. I am trying to crack the encryption, and will report back soon
(Actually i am a bit slow with rainbow tables )
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As this is a developers site it might be handy to share the suspect programs.
So others could help in decrypting, and/or check for malware.
But thanks for sharing this information anyway, and goodluck on your efforts! :good:
HanZie82 said:
As this is a developers site it might be handy to share the suspect programs.
So others could help in decrypting, and/or check for malware.
But thanks for sharing this information anyway, and goodluck on your efforts! :good:
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Ok i will do one thing, I will upload the captured files ASAP
cybe4_f0rencic_d3v said:
Hello readers, I am a cyber forensic developer and analyst.
While looking over automatic rooting softwares and websites I came across 2 programmes that installed smpt keyloggers to the system directory.
I am yet to analyse how it works [Will be updated when I do]
Till than please make sure don't use any auto rooting software.
For rooting please refer to our xda friends and developers who has posted several rooting methods through odin and a root file along with a custom recovery.
Administrators are requested to pin this post for the digital safety of the newbies and other victims.
Leave a thanks it it helped you
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First thanks for the allert. For this First step I give you 50% of an A. Why? Because you need to Post All Important Info. What you have done is useless.
It is not wrong to point out Possible or Unverified Threats to our security, since this is a mayor risk. It may compare to having some knowledge that a possible murder will be soon or in progress! You do not wait for the murder to happen just to say later that you where just concern!.
But what you have done worth nothing without the knowledge of the NAME of what program you are referring. Nobody else can confirm or denied without Program NAME. Clearly you are not sure. So in your statement, just clearly Express your Concerned. And Clearly say as you did that the info needs to be verified. Then ASK others to Verify your findings.
What you are doing will cause the opposite effect, . As Single accuser you will get back some comments.
Last, if it is a false alarm, you will see the owners of those APPs giving explanations !
Without mentioning the two rooting apps, this is an idiotic thread just spreads paranoia.
I was going to room my daughter's tab until I read this thread.
Which software should I be avoiding? If you suspect it, and can't prove it, why not just list it here so users like myself can avoid it and/or the developers can explain themselves.
Right now, am I to avoid all rooting software?
I vote this thread the most rediculous thread so far for 2014.
Go ahead and root guys. If there was an issue it would be all over the net by now. Don't listen to one tinfoiled hat guys tomfoolery.
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atudnsca said:
Without mentioning the two rooting apps, this is an idiotic thread just spreads paranoia.
I was going to room my daughter's tab until I read this thread.
Which software should I be avoiding? If you suspect it, and can't prove it, why not just list it here so users like myself can avoid it and/or the developers can explain themselves.
Right now, am I to avoid all rooting software?
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You can root via custom recoveries and root files, its considered safe.
I will post an update today on my findings
I don't get why people would use software to root their device.
It's much more fun to do it yourself.
bensonhsu2008 said:
I don't get why people would use software to root their device.
It's much more fun to do it yourself.
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agreed!
bensonhsu2008 said:
I don't get why people would use software to root their device.
It's much more fun to do it yourself.
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Im sorry for your lack of imagination/empathy then.
But i dont always have the time (ie patience) to do it all myself.
And lets be honest nowadays everything has to be easy, people dont want to think for themselves anymore.
You can see that in the forums as lot's of easy/simple/dumb questions being asked. (without searching so the questions is not new).
I could go on, as its an irritating factor for me, dumb people... :angel:
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Here's what I don't understand. Why are you not telling us the suspect apps? You can report more findings when you get em. Until you state actual names or links to the apps you are being disregarded by many. If it's something on xda that's causing this and you are dickin the dog on telling us, you have lost all credibility...
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Any update as to what apps we should be avoiding?
He's spouting the same stuff in other forums. He's a kid. LOL.
Please carry on with your normal lives.
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Hello, everyone and the moderators!
I just joined.
I had happily used Android in Datawind Tablet for 6 months, two years back, when it developed a snag. I received a replacement. It had third-party apk download site of Datawind, not the Google's Playstore. I was displeased by this limiting option. So I returned back the device and got back my full payment.
I informed Google about this but Google said that since Android development is under Apache license, not GNU license, people could do as they pleased.
A few months back I was interested by the Whatsapp app. It can't run on Android-x86 on PCs. So I planned to buy a cheap smartphone to test it. I bought a Karbonn Titanium 3Dplex Lite.
Everything alright upto this! I was happily using Whatsapp, when my notice was brought upon a third party app called Tap-n-Buy. I could not uninstall it.
I have been an exclusive Debian Linux user for the last nine years. So I thought I could su and remove it.
But I found that not only su is not possible ordinarily in Android, but in the android-porting forums it appears to be a taboo word.
Very well! I researched and found the site techaddictted.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/9-apk-to-root-android-phones-without-pccomputer
I downloaded a few rooting apk files from their parent sites.
In the meanwhile I was helped by Androidcentral, link, androidcentral.com/root and digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-root-android, in the preliminary research. I was also helped by the android-x86 forum.
I continued to post a few queries in "android-x86 and ancroid-porting" but am not receiving any replies:
Topics:
(1) Customise Pre-installed Android in personal Smartphones?
(2) How to copy the entire Android OS installed on smartphone to PC running Linux?
(3) Why Rooting Android on Smartphones is a taboo subject?
(4) How to install Android ISO on Smartphone from Linux Systems?
The process being: downloading the installed OS from my Smartphone to my lap-/desk- top, su and remove problematic apps, and put it back on the smartphone.
But needless to say, one of my posts has been refused. The rest have yet not been approved for general viewing.
With my threads to android-porting I came to have an intuition about some issues:
(1) It appears that Android rooting is a taboo subject in Android google usergroups.
(2) There is no direct super user level in android to be root'ed but only 3rd party apps.
I downloaded some of the apk files from the links provided by techaddictted.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/9-apk-to-root-android-phones-without-pccomputer . I checked those apk files using online virus malware scanner and found all of them problematic.
I continued to search, and from MakeUseOf - Technology, Simplified, (i.e., makeuseof.com) I was led here.
Now my interest is very detailed:
Ultimately, I wish to download the Entire Installation on the Smartphone of the custom Android by my mobile developer, tweak the files, remove a couple of problematic apps and then reinstall the tweaked files back to the smartphone again.
I know that in Linux I could remove root password using booting from a different liveCD, use some tricks like chroot and then remove and log on as root with a new password.
As a Linux aware person I can understand that may be Android is trying to suppress information about rooting a device to keep the proprietary apps running. They have their limitations.
But on the contrary, Google Android itself warns me of the third party software, which is indicates as malicious. Here is the link: drive.google.com/open?id=10N1HtycG87_5LW59-1GGKI32b1ucN0bC
It was these Tap-n-Buy warnings that actually aroused my interest in rooting my device, to be a superuser and remove this software. Otherwise, this app doesn't appear to be removable.
Could I be helped?
We will take one baby step at a time. First know whether it is at all possible to be a superuser without a third-party Superuser app.
And continue from there to the next baby step.
Root on Android is a security exploit. It is not taboo here.
It might be that your device can't be rooted (not all can be) mainly if it's a no name cheap devices.
Yes you need third party apps as root on Android requires a kernel change.
As for pulling the OS off a device. You are out of luck on that. As the OS is packaged differently when it is zipped and then it is decompressed when flashed.
Your best bet would be to see if your bootloader can be unlocked. If it can then you will need to find the kernel source and build aosp for the device.
Thank you for responding to my queries
Thank you Sir, for responding to my post and replying to my queries. I have to admit that I did not expect a reply so soon.
I thought I did not write clearly enough to make it clearer, and I apologise for the ambiguity. I would try to clarify certain aspects of my post based on your observations.
zelendel said:
... It is not taboo here ...
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I was not referring to this forum, Sir. I was talking about android-porting.
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... if it's a no name cheap devices ...
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Sir, it is a branded product from a fair Indian company ["karbonnmobiles dot com"] with an entry in the Wikipedia [english wikipedia.org/wiki/Karbonn_Mobiles].
zelendel said:
... Yes you need third party apps as root on Android requires a kernel change ...
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But all the apk files I checked with virustotal.com had issues. Could you kindly advise on a safe apk, Sir?
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... As for pulling the OS off a device. You are out of luck on that. As the OS is packaged differently when it is zipped and then it is decompressed when flashed ...
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Sir, I have already decompressed android-x86 ISO and studied it. So I think the same feat could be repeated on the smartphone's OS. Please inform about an HowTo, Sir.
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... to see if your bootloader can be unlocked. If it can then you will need to find the kernel source and build aosp for the device ...
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I would require links on HowTo, Sir. Could I be helped in this regard please?
I thank you once again for replying so promptly.
rajibando said:
Thank you Sir, for responding to my post and replying to my queries. I have to admit that I did not expect a reply so soon.
I thought I did not write clearly enough to make it clearer, and I apologise for the ambiguity. I would try to clarify certain aspects of my post based on your observations.
I was not referring to this forum, Sir. I was talking about android-porting.
Sir, it is a branded product from a fair Indian company ["karbonnmobiles dot com"] with an entry in the Wikipedia [english wikipedia.org/wiki/Karbonn_Mobiles].
But all the apk files I checked with virustotal.com had issues. Could you kindly advise on a safe apk, Sir?
Sir, I have already decompressed android-x86 ISO and studied it. So I think the same feat could be repeated on the smartphone's OS. Please inform about an HowTo, Sir.
I would require links on HowTo, Sir. Could I be helped in this regard please?
I thank you once again for replying so promptly.
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Oh no. Karbon is not what you think. They like Micromax use rebranded devices from China. Normally cool pads by Chinese name. (I have helped with many India based users with different oems) even helping getting kernel source release for the M1.
Root files will always trip anti virus programs. It's because in a way it is a virus. Root apps use security exploits to get root. Nothing to worry about as long as you are smart about it. Heck you can ask any developer here "what anti virus program they use" and the majority will say none. They are faker then a Chinese knock off. They have even been found to fake false reports on files for their competitors.
If your device has an unlocked bootloader then you can flash magisk which is the best root app.
If you come across an app that doesn't need to be flashed and is just an apk. Run the other way. Those use majority security exploits to get it done but most of them get patched in the monthly updates. So it doesn't always stay. They also tend to add malware to the device.
As for a step by step guide. I can only do what you can. That is to search xda to get the info I need.
I'll do what I can and see what I can find. No promises. Do some research yourself as well. It will help you learn the ins and outs and get you to know the lingo.
Mind you. You will still need an app to control root. Which is encludes with the magisk zip
I will try with your information
Thank you, Sir, for the additional information for my further research and experimentations.
I will try to find flash magisk zip and then use it.
BTW, I would seek this opportunity to request you to advise me about the best Smartphone that has everything accessible, from open bootloader to root permissions for my further experimentations.
Until then, I would seek your permission to be absent from this thread.
Thank you once again, Sir!
My regards
rajibando said:
Thank you, Sir, for the additional information for my further research and experimentations.
I will try to find flash magisk zip and then use it.
BTW, I would seek this opportunity to request you to advise me about the best Smartphone that has everything accessible, from open bootloader to root permissions.
Until then, I would seek your permission to be absent from this thread.
Thank you once again, Sir!
My regards
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Dude. Relax. I am no longer in the army. No need to call me sir. Lol This is a forum. People reply when they can. We are glad to help in our free time.
Do some research on magisk. Don't just go flashing. But first things first. Find out if you have a bootloader that can be unlocked. If not then you won't be able to go further.
Thanks for replying again so soon!
Thank you, Sir, for replying so quickly once again.
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No need to call me sir.
I addressed you as Sir as a gesture of admiration for your kind support. If you are uncomfortable with it, then I would rather not address you as sir.
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Find out if you have a bootloader that can be unlocked.
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Yes, I have just been researching on this very issue. But it appears to involve installing Android SDK, as per howtogeek dot com/239798/how-to-unlock-your-android-phones-bootloader-the-official-way
Is there another, easier way? A shortcut?
BTW, please refer to my request in the post #5 on a suitable smartphone for experimentation.
rajibando said:
Thank you, Sir, for replying so quickly once again.
Yes, I have just been researching on this very issue. But it appears to involve installing Android SDK, as per howtogeek dot com/239798/how-to-unlock-your-android-phones-bootloader-the-official-way
Is there another, easier way? A shortcut?
BTW, please refer to my request in the post #5 on a suitable smartphone for experimentation.
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All you really nead from the sdk is the adb files, so you can push commands to your device. There are a few basic adb packages. Here is a good tool. This will work for now to do what you want. If you ever decide to build roms for your devices from source then you will have to have the whole SDK.
While there are many sites one the internet XDA is the only one you will ever need for modding your device. Any question you may have as been asked at least a hundred times in these forums. Use the XDA search or the XDA search plug in for your browser to hel find the info you need.
Many devices have unlockable bootloaders. One Plus has the currant Dev support right now as they are good with 3rd party developers for the most part. Depending on the device unlocking the bootloader has back draws (sony with DRM keys and such) lessened security (no matter what any one tells you). Just see which devices XDA portal team is talking about. They are normally good dev devices. Like I think Honor is working with XDA to be as open as possible.
Thanks for replying again so soon!
Thank you once again.
Regarding your following sentence:
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I indeed did both full and advanced search in this very site for my OP thread title.
Needless to say, I didn't find any. I couldn't. I always ask incisive questions, otherwise, I don't.
Once in flow, I asked you about unlocking the bootloader. As I asked, I began my search as well
So Honor and One Plus? Could you please inform about the specific models? I will then talk to Amazon India for one of the two, and also about a completely open Smartphone, without locked bootloader, locked root, locked third-party app (I will do them myself, if required) with Android pre-installed, for experimentation.
Thanks a lot!
I will take some time to be familiar with xda, but I will eventually, if the quality that you vouch for is really there.
I admire all good things and am ready to pay more than money for them.
Regards
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Thank you once again.
Regarding your following sentence:
I indeed did both full and advanced search in this very site for my OP thread title.
Needless to say, I didn't find any. I couldn't. I always ask incisive questions, otherwise, I don't.
Once in flow, I asked you about unlocking the bootloader. As I asked, I began my search as well
So Honor and One Plus? Okay, I will talk to Amazon India for one of the two, and also about a completely open Smartphone, without locked bootloader, locked root, locked third-party app (I will do them myself, if required) with Android pre-installed, for experimentation.
Thanks a lot!
I will take some time to be familiar with xda, but I will eventually, if the quality that you vouch for is really there.
I admire all good things and am ready to pay more than money for them.
Regards
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Yeah the site search can be a bit bad. Due to the size of it. You will get used to what key words you will need to use. The site has been here for almost 20 years now leading the way in mobile hacking and development. So there is a lot of info. But a lot of it is pre-android as well so don't be deterred.
I had a look at the devices available from Amazon India. Look in out forums at the device threads and compare them. The 5t is the only one I can say for 100% that it will do what you want.
Ah, great!
Thanks for posting a reply so quickly.
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I am so sorry that I was editing the post #9 while you replied.
Okay, One Plus 5T? Shall enquire with Amazon.
[later addition] Yes, checked. But I won't buy it. It has a (redundant for me) very powerful camera and a very powerful HD screen, which I won't require.
The device is expensive chiefly because the powerful camera and the HD screen which I don't need. I simply want to experiment.
So I will go with the best of the original Chinese Brands that flood our markets.buy any one of the smartphones, as advised, 2nd hand. Not the India-nised Chinese Brands re-packaged by Karbonn or Micromax — a priceless information you brought to my notice. I will enquire with our local mobile repairers and software updaters.
I had already written to Amazon in the meanwhile. Though the CS team has replied, they are not very competent. I am presently waiting for the Executive Customer Relations Team to respond.
I will gradually become familiar with this site, for sure, and learn to search optimally.
Thanks once again!