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Creating a Downloadable "root kit" for the Market

I was just thinking... someone could write up an application that does the following:
It verifies you are running RC29. If not, it directs you to the sticky post on xda-developers (or sends you an email with the link).
The application contains a modified/rooted recovery image.
The application tells the user to type "telnetd" + enter.
Once telnetd is running, it telnets into localhost and automatically remounts the /system partition, and replaces the recovery image.
For noobs, it would trivialize a lot of the difficulty of rooting.
I'm pretty busy porting native applications and Mono to work with Android (almost done though!) but wanted to just throw this idea out there for someone else to pick up.
I can also provide source code for my Telnet client that is currently used to do the rooting. That would make a good starting point.

Its a good idea, though whether it makes it onto the market is another question. If u want root bad enough, then u should be able to figure it out through the threads here like i did

Even better, it automatically grabs an RC29 NBH from a server, saves it to SD, verifies the SD is FAT32, verifies its hash, renames it to DREAIMG.NBH and instructs the user to boot into bootloader mode.

I think this would be VERY helpful for those ignorant idiots who post on root-only apps and rate them down because they don't know how to operate Google.
Also, I think it should include an option to download the DREAMIMG.NBH file and put it in the root so that RC30 users can downgrade.
veda_sticks said:
Its a good idea, though whether it makes it onto the market is another question. If u want root bad enough, then u should be able to figure it out through the threads here like i did
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The thing is, this is exactly why the Android market is supposed to be better than the AppStore. There is no "official approval" process. Apps can get taken down if they are malicious, but as long as a developer has paid their $25, their apps can go straight to the Market.

I think we are all dreaming that an application like this would ever hit the market. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but think about what we putting in front of EVERYONE that owns a G1.
Do you really think everyone that owns a G1 should be trusted with root access?
What happens when the first application that comes to market place exploits root access and really does some damage/malicious to your precious G1.
I'd suggest rethinking this one.

rsfaze said:
I think we are all dreaming that an application like this would ever hit the market. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but think about what we putting in front of EVERYONE that owns a G1.
Do you really think everyone that owns a G1 should be trusted with root access?
What happens when the first application that comes to market place exploits root access and really does some damage/malicious to your precious G1.
I'd suggest rethinking this one.
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Root access is protected by Superuser.

Koush said:
Root access is protected by Superuser.
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I get that which is a nice feature, but I thought Superuser is only available in JF images. I don't recall having an application on my stock RC30 called Superuser and it's not found in market place.
What did I miss?

rsfaze said:
I get that which is a nice feature, but I thought Superuser is only available in JF images. I don't recall having an application on my stock RC30 called Superuser and it's not found in market place.
What did I miss?
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It was on the market for a while. Now its incorporated into the jf updates

korndub said:
It was on the market for a while. Now its incorporated into the jf updates
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ah then I retract all previous statements dam newbs always spouting off thinking they know everything

"root kit" is kind of an unfortunate name, don't ya think ;-)
Also, it seems like Google could certainly pull the download for violating Dev Distribution Agreement Section 4.4:
Prohibited Actions. You agree that you will not engage in any activity with the Market, including the development or distribution of Products, that interferes with, disrupts, damages, or accesses in an unauthorized manner the devices, servers, networks, or other properties or services of any third party including, but not limited to, Android Users, Google or any mobile network operator.
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Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?

jashsu said:
Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?
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I'd cancel my account

So just post the app online without putting it on the Market. Then the whole G1 world isn't stumbling across it, but you can pass the link to friends who would like root but who are too scared or too busy to go through the process themselves.

danguyf said:
So just post the app online without putting it on the Market. Then the whole G1 world isn't stumbling across it, but you can pass the link to friends who would like root but who are too scared or too busy to go through the process themselves.
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if they are too scared they shouldn't have root in the first place. You won't understand what Superuser is truly asking of you and give the wrong application permission then Tmobile will have an influx of calls about "damaged phones."
Busy people have friends like us that can always barter something out of them, just add to the long list of favors.

danguyf said:
So just post the app online without putting it on the Market.
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My line of thought is, if user x can't follow the instructions in the stickies to get root, then he/she probably shouldn't have root access to begin with. I don't want my phone price to be subsidizing the cost of replacing returns from users who bricked (or mistakenly think they've bricked) their phones doing things that are not officially supported by T-Mo/HTC.
...just my $0.02.

jashsu said:
My line of thought is, if user x can't follow the instructions in the stickies to get root, then he/she probably shouldn't have root access to begin with. I don't want my phone price to be subsidizing the cost of replacing returns from users who bricked (or mistakenly think they've bricked) their phones doing things that are not officially supported by T-Mo/HTC.
...just my $0.02.
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i completely agree... if you cant read then root is not for you.... there are alot of posts that are well written

coolbho3000 said:
Even better, it automatically grabs an RC29 NBH from a server, saves it to SD, verifies the SD is FAT32, verifies its hash, renames it to DREAIMG.NBH and instructs the user to boot into bootloader mode.
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It might even be possible to do a force reboot into bootloader. I know how to force-reboot into recovery, but I'm not sure if a similar method can force-reboot into the bootloader.

F the market, its a place for kids to hang out and yell "First" when their 3rd. What joke the Market has been. Cant get an honest review anymore, its all about Obama, gays, being first, and lack of "good games". Nobody even cares that the app says "this is only a test, you probably shouldnt download it", they do and leave bad reviews. Idiots.
If something like this comes to fruition, make them come HERE for it, so their asses can be banned for being chilish

jashsu said:
Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?
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If i had a nickel for every noob that spammed the board right now...

I really like the idea of putting it all in one complete package with as little user input as possible, but I don't think that the Android Market would be a suitable place to put it. People who don't even know what root is shouldn't have it offered to them. They should at least have to know enough to Google "root on android" and maybe be lead to one of our threads containing the link to this kit. If it goes on the market I would suggest not branding it in any way.
I support the root package idea in any case.

korndub said:
i completely agree... if you cant read then root is not for you.... there are alot of posts that are well written
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One of the issues for some people is that there *are* a lot of posts. To get from point A to point B I had to read through one sticky on how to downgrade to RC29, complete with many pages of replies in order to get a handle on possible problems and solutions, then another sticky on flashing to modified recovery image so that I could find how to install the test keys, then another stick on upgrading to JF1.3, again with many pages of replies with potential errors and solutions, and then I realized I hadn't done the engineering bootloader yet so I had to find another sticky to read through.
I did it, and it was easy, but, wanting to be safe, I had to spend several hours paging through stickies in order to make sure I had a good grasp on the whole picture.
I would not have minded having the process automated a bit. I know what I'm doing and I could have used that time for other things.
Additionally, I think it would cut down on questions from n00bs going step-by-step through stickies and making basic errors. Because right now they're still going to go through the stickies and make dumb mistakes and ask the same questions, and of that only a small fraction will understand what they're doing and take an interest in how bootloaders and recovery images work and become the sort of users that should have root.
As it is now, I don't see the stickies as being much of a barrier to entry for those who don't know what they're doing and might brick their phones. They're doing it anyway. Might as well give them something to do it for them so they don't brick the phone right off the bat, and don't flood forums with posts about encountering errors cause by typing errors.
Just my $0.02!

What is Root?

A simple question. Simple answer. "Root" access to your device can allow you to install among many things Custom Roms. Thus giving you more control over your device. From customization of the UI to added features like tethering, Custom Roms open up endless possibilities!
Well now we have to answer what it means to have "root access" . Without "root access" you only have "Guest" privileges on your device(Sort of like how you can let people have a Guest account on your PC). This is for good reason (for most of us), but for the more tech savvy or just for those who like to tinker having just "Guest" access feels like being stuck in jail! While manufacturers of phones know that not every user should have root access for purposes of not messing your device up beyond repair. But we are all Adults here right? So we probably want "Super User Access" to our devices (almost as good as super powers). "Super User Access" is like having an Administrator account on Windows, you get full control over your system, or in this case your phone/tablet. The term "Super User" is derived from the UNIX/LINUX platforms that android was iterated from.
Having said that Rooting is NOT for everyone, and more for some than other's. It does often void your warranty, can brick your device, and is definitely not recommended by the manufacturer. If you have ever been the type to take apart things to figure them out be it through software hardware, or something else. I believe a tinkerer is also a hacker at heart. I began my tech journey by disassembling a digital alarm clock at 5. You can start anywhere even with rooting! Every Programmer/Hacker has a tinkering little kid in their soul! You may experience a lot of frustration and potentially broken devices along the way in your experiments with rooting/custom recoveries/custom roms. I highly encourage all of you who read this to look at every broken device analyze what happened that got it there; How can I fix it? If I can't fix it, How can I avoid that happening again? When you don't get frustrated by the inevitable losses you can learn from EVERY experience on any phone/tablet/computer/alarm clock you tinker with.
Hope this answers your questions, and inspires you to begin your journey with android development!
Sincerely,
``~~::../\<Shagerty>/\..::~~``​

Thx :thumbup:
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20vakaris00 said:
Thx :thumbup:
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Your welcome! How are you enjoying being rooted now?

This isn't new thing for us,
But really great thread for noobs.
Good job:thumbup:

sanjaykumar.sanjay69 said:
This isn't new thing for us,
But really great thread for noobs.
Good job:thumbup:
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Thanks sanjay that was my intention. Glad you noticed!

Just new here, from this post,I got an understanding of the idea of "root" ! Thx!

Great!
pay188 said:
Just new here, from this post,I got an understanding of the idea of "root" ! Thx!
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Glad the post was helpful for you!

[Q] Tegra Zone Shield APK? The app that launches with the shield button.

Anyone got a copy of that? With a shield the app that launches when you hit the shield button I need that exact app.
Looking to try spoofing tegra in my nexus 4 to try streaming with a normal controller
Thanks!

I hope someone makes this happen, due to it streaming I can't see hardware being a limitation.

It could be like the Ouya framework though... Dependent on the actual device.
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I sure hope someone will be able to release the APK. I would be interested in using it on my Galaxy S3.

It's not the same as the TegraZone already on the Play store?

Furyus said:
It's not the same as the TegraZone already on the Play store?
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No, it is not. And while I can't speak too much about it, it's not just a side-load onto any device. So don't be holding your breath about someone uploading the APK and getting all the features running this week.

right....because it sooo hard to make rudimentary changes to a launcher.

The APK is called Dashboard.apk. It resides in /system/app and can be launched as a normal app.

?? Then why did you say the opposite not 2 posts ago?

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
right....because it sooo hard to make rudimentary changes to a launcher.
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Let me know when you get this working, since you love trolling. One of us has been helping everyone to the largest extent they can. The other is just demanding a bunch of stuff since he doesn't want to buy one himself.
I will personally post the full system image tonight if it isn't already uploaded by then. And you can go to town, I'm seriously curious about how much you can get working this week, since its obviously so easy.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
?? Then why did you say the opposite not 2 posts ago?
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It won't do anything. It will crash on another device.
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You're the one going around posting false information. And asking for a system dump is not "demanding a bunch of stuff".
If you want to get into a pissing match about who's done more to help the XDA community, you're gonna lose. I've done alot more than post some roms for the EVO 3D. If anyone's a troll here its you.

And 20x more people have found my comments helpful. So you're still trolling. What false info have I given?

Unlike you i'm not a thanks whore, and the thanks meter wasn't even implemented when I started posting on XDA. I have released numerous firmware images and sbf files that would otherwise have not been obtainable, saving countless devices in the process(See the technician only Xoom recovery file that was the only way to restore a bricked Xoom for months after release). That's a little more important to me than some likes.
Oh and False info? You just said not a few moments ago it runs like a normal app.

Now now boys, calm down.
I must admit I am on legions side on most of his points so far. This is a community forum for the general public and what we do here is Share and Mod. I do believe "agrabren" that as you are part of the Nvidia team you don't want to see parts of your product ported and such, but the product is now in the hands of the user and so now it is up to us what we do with our purchases.
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LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Oh and False info? You just said not a few moments ago it runs like a normal app.
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It didn't occur to me that I might need to explain that in more detail, but in hind-sight, it does need clarification. What I mean, and meant from the beginning, is that the framework doesn't issue any "magic" to launch that app. There's no special "back-door" entry into that APK which makes it work on the device, nor is the Intent anyway modified. My natural instinct is to distrust every aspect of a system app that doesn't sideload correctly. In this case, I gave extra insight into areas of attack on getting the APK to load on other devices by eliminating one method a company could use for an app that has a special method of launch (the center button on the device).
So my statement, properly clarified, is that the APK itself has nothing special about it in regards to Intent launching or its AndroidManifest.xml, but that without some efforts with other components, will not run directly on another device, especially one based on a non-Tegra device.

poo-tang said:
Now now boys, calm down.
I must admit I am on legions side on most of his points so far. This is a community forum for the general public and what we do here is Share and Mod. I do believe "agrabren" that as you are part of the Nvidia team you don't want to see parts of your product ported and such, but the product is now in the hands of the user and so now it is up to us what we do with our purchases.
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Great, except I've actually been trying to help most people with most parts of ROM sharing and modding. I've already said that I'm going to post the OTA1 system and boot images, in their official entirety, as well as I'll probably post a rooted version as well. I've been helping people prevent bricking their devices.
If you'd rather I just go away, I'm happy to. But I wouldn't expect anyone else from NVIDIA to be reaching out to get CM10.2 up and running on this device, or to get a custom recovery up and running quickly. I've never objected to him getting the system image, I'm all for it being uploaded and even promised to do so. I'm trying to help clarify what will work easily and what won't. I even answered the question that nobody else had, the APK he's asking for (because he didn't know the name of it) is Dashboard.apk, and it resides in /system/app. His contributions right now to the SHIELD forums on XDA are: Give me the system image, give me some APKs that may be on the device! That rubs me the wrong way as a person who has spent plenty of time developing ROMs for different phones, helping fix kernels for multiple CM-supported devices, and who has *always* fought for companies to give to the community. Unlockable bootloader? Yeah, I was part of that push. I'm trying my best to get as much source as possible made public.
Maybe I came off poorly in this thread (because this was after the thread asking for an apk that has only been demoed at tradeshows and special press meetings). So I'm sorry if I came off wrong, but while everyone else is helping each other out, he's just demanding stuff.

I what world do you live in that posting a thread asking for a system image and a possibly pre-loaded app qualifies as "demanding stuff"? Why should I have to have done anything to be worthy of your approval to post such a thread?
There is a huge conflict of interest with you both working for Nvidia and unofficially releasing official firmware and hacks, so frankly no, I don't trust you being involved in this devices xda development.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
I what world do you live in that posting a thread asking for a system image and a possibly pre-loaded app qualifies as "demanding stuff"? Why should I have to have done anything to be worthy of your approval to post such a thread?
There is a huge conflict of interest with you both working for Nvidia and unofficially releasing official firmware and hacks, so frankly no, I don't trust you being involved in this devices xda development.
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So a guy who doesn't own the device is not going to trust ROMs I make for a device he doesn't own. Oops, no loss to me. You can go back to trolling, I'm done with your thread. You have your system image and boot image in either manner you want it.

Oops, my bad. It wasn't your thread, you just came into this thread to troll me. My mistake.
Raptor, if you check in the Android Development section, you'll find the system images. I'd suggest the ZIP version, because it's both smaller and already extracted. The system.img is an uncompress image to be flashed via fastboot in case someone messes up their system or boot partitions.

[SECURITY HOLE] [Readme] Newbie / Noob warning!

Hello readers, I am a cyber forensic developer and analyst.
While looking over automatic rooting softwares and websites I came across 2 programmes that installed smpt keyloggers to the system directory.
I am yet to analyse how it works [Will be updated when I do]
Till than please make sure don't use any auto rooting software.
For rooting please refer to our xda friends and developers who has posted several rooting methods through odin and a root file along with a custom recovery.
Administrators are requested to pin this post for the digital safety of the newbies and other victims.
Leave a thanks it it helped you

If you could link to, or describe these programs it would be even better

Nitro_123 said:
If you could link to, or describe these programs it would be even better
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I am yet to analyse those files.
I captured two outgoing files,
1. Keylog068.file
2. PhoneGal.file
keylog seems like a text file but it is encrypted.
I cannot link them to the rooting websites and softwares unless I am positive about the threat.

Please report the link or program used to root... Otherwise downloading programs outside of XDA come with malware pre-installed. Try using methods to root any tablet/phone from known sources specially rooting software found within XDA itself.

The government is watching me? Even in my tinfoil hat?
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...

...Awesome... said:
Please report the link or program used to root... Otherwise downloading programs outside of XDA come with malware pre-installed. Try using methods to root any tablet/phone from known sources specially rooting software found within XDA itself.
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I cannot report unless i am 100% sure the program steals our keylogs. I am trying to crack the encryption, and will report back soon
(Actually i am a bit slow with rainbow tables )

cybe4_f0rencic_d3v said:
I cannot report unless i am 100% sure the program steals our keylogs. I am trying to crack the encryption, and will report back soon
(Actually i am a bit slow with rainbow tables )
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As this is a developers site it might be handy to share the suspect programs.
So others could help in decrypting, and/or check for malware.
But thanks for sharing this information anyway, and goodluck on your efforts! :good:

HanZie82 said:
As this is a developers site it might be handy to share the suspect programs.
So others could help in decrypting, and/or check for malware.
But thanks for sharing this information anyway, and goodluck on your efforts! :good:
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Ok i will do one thing, I will upload the captured files ASAP

cybe4_f0rencic_d3v said:
Hello readers, I am a cyber forensic developer and analyst.
While looking over automatic rooting softwares and websites I came across 2 programmes that installed smpt keyloggers to the system directory.
I am yet to analyse how it works [Will be updated when I do]
Till than please make sure don't use any auto rooting software.
For rooting please refer to our xda friends and developers who has posted several rooting methods through odin and a root file along with a custom recovery.
Administrators are requested to pin this post for the digital safety of the newbies and other victims.
Leave a thanks it it helped you
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First thanks for the allert. For this First step I give you 50% of an A. Why? Because you need to Post All Important Info. What you have done is useless.
It is not wrong to point out Possible or Unverified Threats to our security, since this is a mayor risk. It may compare to having some knowledge that a possible murder will be soon or in progress! You do not wait for the murder to happen just to say later that you where just concern!.
But what you have done worth nothing without the knowledge of the NAME of what program you are referring. Nobody else can confirm or denied without Program NAME. Clearly you are not sure. So in your statement, just clearly Express your Concerned. And Clearly say as you did that the info needs to be verified. Then ASK others to Verify your findings.
What you are doing will cause the opposite effect, . As Single accuser you will get back some comments.
Last, if it is a false alarm, you will see the owners of those APPs giving explanations !

Without mentioning the two rooting apps, this is an idiotic thread just spreads paranoia.
I was going to room my daughter's tab until I read this thread.
Which software should I be avoiding? If you suspect it, and can't prove it, why not just list it here so users like myself can avoid it and/or the developers can explain themselves.
Right now, am I to avoid all rooting software?

I vote this thread the most rediculous thread so far for 2014.
Go ahead and root guys. If there was an issue it would be all over the net by now. Don't listen to one tinfoiled hat guys tomfoolery.
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atudnsca said:
Without mentioning the two rooting apps, this is an idiotic thread just spreads paranoia.
I was going to room my daughter's tab until I read this thread.
Which software should I be avoiding? If you suspect it, and can't prove it, why not just list it here so users like myself can avoid it and/or the developers can explain themselves.
Right now, am I to avoid all rooting software?
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You can root via custom recoveries and root files, its considered safe.
I will post an update today on my findings

I don't get why people would use software to root their device.
It's much more fun to do it yourself.

bensonhsu2008 said:
I don't get why people would use software to root their device.
It's much more fun to do it yourself.
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agreed!

bensonhsu2008 said:
I don't get why people would use software to root their device.
It's much more fun to do it yourself.
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Im sorry for your lack of imagination/empathy then.
But i dont always have the time (ie patience) to do it all myself.
And lets be honest nowadays everything has to be easy, people dont want to think for themselves anymore.
You can see that in the forums as lot's of easy/simple/dumb questions being asked. (without searching so the questions is not new).
I could go on, as its an irritating factor for me, dumb people... :angel:

cybe4_f0rencic_d3v said:
agreed!
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Here's what I don't understand. Why are you not telling us the suspect apps? You can report more findings when you get em. Until you state actual names or links to the apps you are being disregarded by many. If it's something on xda that's causing this and you are dickin the dog on telling us, you have lost all credibility...
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Any update as to what apps we should be avoiding?

He's spouting the same stuff in other forums. He's a kid. LOL.
Please carry on with your normal lives.
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...

Palm pvg100 questions

I am seeking an app that would make the power button also the volume button. I have come across several apps that make the volume button turn into the power button but none for the power. Also does anyone know where to get a replacement sim card tray for the PVG100 or if a sim tray from another device would work in it. Thanks

Hi guys!
I think I found the source code/bootloader for the PVG100. After a whole lot of digging, I now have this .zip from the founder himself, and it is for the original 2018 firmware, not with any of the updates. I'll attach it below.
I am definitely a novice tinkerer, not a developer. I don't have any of the skills or tools to make a custom ROM, though I very much want one to remove the bloatware and enable hotspot tethering etc. Stormskeeker, could you please post whatever you have managed to find so far, or explain how you have been able to tweak it?
I also have a couple of these that are inoperable for various reasons that I have thoroughly dissected. So if anyone needs to buy any of my spare parts, or wants to just know more about the Palm's guts, then hit me up!
This is SUCH a rad little phone. Biggest complaint by far is battery life, and I would LOVE if someone help me figure out how to power this phone with a bigger battery. I found a Oneplus battery has the same connector, but it won't work when I connect it (unless it's plugged in to a wall adapter)... does this have something to do with the firmware not accepting a different battery? Does Anyone know how I can get around this??
https://sourceforge.net/projects/palmopensource/[/url]

Sim Tray in Gold for my Palm PVG 100
fatetraitor said:
I am seeking an app that would make the power button also the volume button. I have come across several apps that make the volume button turn into the power button but none for the power. Also does anyone know where to get a replacement sim card tray for the PVG100 or if a sim tray from another device would work in it. Thanks
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Hello A Need Also a New Sim Tray in Gold for my Palm PVG 100 i Contacted PAlm They Said:
Palm Support Team (Palm)
Nov 29, 12:38 PST
Hi Davi
Thanks for contacting us.
Unfortunately, we're not able to provide replacement SIM trays at this time.
If you have any other questions, please let us know.
Thanks,
Palm Support Team
Pleaze Helph someone how they can put a phone in the market with no simple Replace Parts for this Palm Phone

DEXXO said:
Hello A Need Also a New Sim Tray in Gold for my Palm PVG 100 i Contacted PAlm They Said:
Palm Support Team (Palm)
Nov 29, 12:38 PST
Hi Davi
Thanks for contacting us.
Unfortunately, we're not able to provide replacement SIM trays at this time.
If you have any other questions, please let us know.
Thanks,
Palm Support Team
Pleaze Helph someone how they can put a phone in the market with no simple Replace Parts for this Palm Phone
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There is nothing we can do about your situation, why did you come here to ask about this issue? Don't waste your time here with a question like that.
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Droidriven said:
There is nothing we can do about your situation, why did you come here to ask about this issue? Don't waste your time here with a question like that.
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the name of this Thread is Palm pvg100 questions
so thats why i asking here + if you Read up im not the first ho ask about the Sim Tray :good:
for me iz not a waste of time iz about to be Real and find Solutions and nothing hiding
The 2nd Question is to find how and best to Flash a Palm PVG 100 or Root it.
sincerly Greets DEXXO

DEXXO said:
Thanks fo For Quick Feedback
the name of this Thread is Palm pvg100 questions
so thats why i asking here + if you Read up im not the first ho ask about the Sim Tray :good:
for me iz not a waste of time iz about to be Real and find Solutions and nothing hiding
The 2nd Question is to find how and best to Flash a Palm PVG 100 or Root it.
sincerly Greets DEXXO
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Questions about how to root this device are relevant, but you didn't ask about that in your previous post, did you? No, you didnt, you asked an irrelevant question about the SIM tray that has nothing to do with XDA or what we do here.
My point is, this forum is about android software development and Windows mobile software development. Given that fact, questions posted here in this Palm pvg 100 thread should be questions about Palm pvg 100 software. Your question is about your device's manufacturer and their practices concerning the SIM tray issue. That question is irrelevant here at XDA because it has absolutely nothing to do with android, android software development, Windows mobile, Windows mobile development or the software on your Palm pvg 100.
Sure, your question is related to the Palm pvg 100, but that doesn't mean anything.
If this were an automobile repair forum, the question you posted would be like going to an automotive repair forum to ask why Toyota has stopped making a certain part or making that part available to the public. How would the people in the forum know why Toyota is doing that? They, wouldn't, Toyota would. What could the people in that forum actually do about the availability of that part? Absolutely nothing. So why waste your time asking them if they don't know and can't do anything about it? Do you see my point now?
If you want to know if there is a known rooting method for your device, do a Google search for:
"How to root (your model number)"
If that doesn't find anything, there is not a known rooting method for that device. If you find nothing, you'll have to experiment for yourself to find working method.
If searching doesn't find anything specific, you'll have to try the various universal rooting programs on PC or the various android rooting apps, try all of them that you can possibly find.
If the universal rooting programs or apps don't work, you can try finding a copy of your stock firmware, then extract the boot.img from the firmware then use Magisk on PC to patch the boot.img then flash that boot.img on your device then install the Magisk Manager app on your device. But, if your bootloader is locked, you will not be able to flash the patched boot.img.
If you want to know how to flash your device, do a google search for:
"How to flash stock firmware (your model number)"
Or
"Return to stock (your model number)"
That should find guides for flashing your device.
Notice that the Google searches are simple and to the point,
"How to (the thing you're looking for) (your model number)"
It isn't difficult to use Google to find answers, you just have to keep your search terms simple and direct.
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Droidriven said:
Questions about how to root this device are relevant, but you didn't ask about that in your previous post, did you? No, you didnt, you asked an irrelevant question about the SIM tray that has nothing to do with XDA or what we do here.
My point is, this forum is about android software development and Windows mobile software development. Given that fact, questions posted here in this Palm pvg 100 thread should be questions about Palm pvg 100 software. Your question is about your device's manufacturer and their practices concerning the SIM tray issue. That question is irrelevant here at XDA because it has absolutely nothing to do with android, android software development, Windows mobile, Windows mobile development or the software on your Palm pvg 100.
Sure, your question is related to the Palm pvg 100, but that doesn't mean anything.
If this were an automobile repair forum, the question you posted would be like going to an automotive repair forum to ask why Toyota has stopped making a certain part or making that part available to the public. How would the people in the forum know why Toyota is doing that? They, wouldn't, Toyota would. What could the people in that forum actually do about the availability of that part? Absolutely nothing. So why waste your time asking them if they don't know and can't do anything about it? Do you see my point now?
If you want to know if there is a known rooting method for your device, do a Google search for:
"How to root (your model number)"
If that doesn't find anything, there is not a known rooting method for that device. If you find nothing, you'll have to experiment for yourself to find working method.
If searching doesn't find anything specific, you'll have to try the various universal rooting programs on PC or the various android rooting apps, try all of them that you can possibly find.
If the universal rooting programs or apps don't work, you can try finding a copy of your stock firmware, then extract the boot.img from the firmware then use Magisk on PC to patch the boot.img then flash that boot.img on your device then install the Magisk Manager app on your device. But, if your bootloader is locked, you will not be able to flash the patched boot.img.
If you want to know how to flash your device, do a google search for:
"How to flash stock firmware (your model number)"
Or
"Return to stock (your model number)"
That should find guides for flashing your device.
Notice that the Google searches are simple and to the point,
"How to (the thing you're looking for) (your model number)"
It isn't difficult to use Google to find answers, you just have to keep your search terms simple and direct.
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Thanks for Information all you said about Google etc. I Tryed but for this Model iz Xtream Difficult
y even not will find a Stock Firmware to Download lmah crazy
In My Opinion Samsung Devices are the best Phones and most open about for Rooting and Flashing Roms.
for the nem Palm PVG 100 Devices i also not finding something or how someone has tryed to Root or Flash
a think it will be possible trough SP Flash or something .
Will see, but Anyway i have Realy to Say Thanks to the XDA Devolpers Comunitys for dont let Obsolete so many Phones thrugh
Custom Roms . my Sam. P1000 still runs alot of Apps ho this devices was never Supportet with the Stock Rom
the Best is espacialy for the S4mini iz incredible wha the guys from ASOP Team has done . Oreo on a S4 mini and in a realy Fast Way !
so with this also Thanks to this Guys ho realy thinks in a right decision for All Devices. I am realy not a fan of Updates and New Api,s for Apps
because in this was alot of Phones and more will get faster obsolete etc. Thats why realy Thanks for all this Devs. for the nice Roms.
Greets DEXXO

DEXXO said:
Thanks for Information all you said about Google etc. I Tryed but for this Model iz Xtream Difficult [emoji14]
y even not will find a Stock Firmware to Download lmah crazy
In My Opinion Samsung Devices are the best Phones and most open about for Rooting and Flashing Roms.
for the nem Palm PVG 100 Devices i also not finding something or how someone has tryed to Root or Flash
a think it will be possible trough SP Flash or something .
Will see, but Anyway i have Realy to Say Thanks to the XDA Devolpers Comunitys for dont let Obsolete so many Phones thrugh
Custom Roms . my Sam. P1000 still runs alot of Apps ho this devices was never Supportet with the Stock Rom
the Best is espacialy for the S4mini iz incredible wha the guys from ASOP Team has done . Oreo on a S4 mini and in a realy Fast Way !
so with this also Thanks to this Guys ho realy thinks in a right decision for All Devices. I am realy not a fan of Updates and New Api,s for Apps
because in this was alot of Phones and more will get faster obsolete etc. Thats why realy Thanks for all this Devs. for the nice Roms.
Greets DEXXO
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XDA itself is not involved in which devices do or don't get support or custom development.
It is up to the community of members, it is the members that figure out rooting methods and it is members that create the custom developments that are available here. It isn't like XDA has a team of people that are tasked with developing for every single android device model that is created/sold.
Devices that do not have known rooting methods or have no custom development of any kind are due to several reasons, such as:
1) there are not enough users in the community that own the device
2) the device has no stock firmware available and/or does not have a stock source code that is available to the public. Without these, custom ROMs can not be created.
3) there are no users or developers with the experience or skills to create custom software that own the device. Developers only build for devices they personally own and real developers don't buy cheap, off-brand, unpopular devices. If someone here owned a device like yours and had the skills to build ROMs, there would probably already be ROMs for your device.
If your device does not have a stock firmware that is available and has no stock source code available and you do not have the necessary developer skills, you are out of luck when it comes to customizing your device or ever seeing custom development for your device.
If your stock source code was available, you could have tried paying a developer to develop ROMs your device, but it would have required you buying another device like yours and sending that device to the developer so they could use it for testing what they build before releasing their development to the community here.
If you really want to blame someone, blame yourself for buying a device that no developer would ever care about working with.
If you want to be able to customize a device, here is some advice.
1) don't buy cheap, low end, off brand, unpopular devices, it doesn't have to be an expensive flagship device, there are some decent mid-range devices that receive custom development.
2) don't buy a device that does not have stock firmware available and/or has no stock source code available.
3) you are going about it all wrong, don't go buy a device and then come here looking to see if anything is available here for the device. Come here first and see what devices have available development here and what those developments are and use that information to choose which device to go buy and THEN go buy the device.
So, you see, there is a lot more to the story than just.....
"Hey, I got an android device and I'd like to root it and use custom ROMs on it"
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Droidriven said:
XDA itself is not involved in which devices do or don't get support or custom development.
It is up to the community of members, it is the members that figure out rooting methods and it is members that create the custom developments that are available here. It isn't like XDA has a team of people that are tasked with developing for every single android device model that is created/sold.
Devices that do not have known rooting methods or have no custom development of any kind are due to several reasons, such as:
1) there are not enough users in the community that own the device
2) the device has no stock firmware available and/or does not have a stock source code that is available to the public. Without these, custom ROMs can not be created.
3) there are no users or developers with the experience or skills to create custom software that own the device. Developers only build for devices they personally own and real developers don't buy cheap, off-brand, unpopular devices. If someone here owned a device like yours and had the skills to build ROMs, there would probably already be ROMs for your device.
If your device does not have a stock firmware that is available and has no stock source code available and you do not have the necessary developer skills, you are out of luck when it comes to customizing your device or ever seeing custom development for your device.
If your stock source code was available, you could have tried paying a developer to develop ROMs your device, but it would have required you buying another device like yours and sending that device to the developer so they could use it for testing what they build before releasing their development to the community here.
If you really want to blame someone, blame yourself for buying a device that no developer would ever care about working with.
If you want to be able to customize a device, here is some advice.
1) don't buy cheap, low end, off brand, unpopular devices, it doesn't have to be an expensive flagship device, there are some decent mid-range devices that receive custom development.
2) don't buy a device that does not have stock firmware available and/or has no stock source code available.
3) you are going about it all wrong, don't go buy a device and then come here looking to see if anything is available here for the device. Come here first and see what devices have available development here and what those developments are and use that information to choose which device to go buy and THEN go buy the device.
So, you see, there is a lot more to the story than just.....
"Hey, I got an android device and I'd like to root it and use custom ROMs on it"
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Thanks for the Info
but wich Phone a buy a surely i dont need XDA or Ask about if they have open Codes or Stock Roms:highfive:
this Palm Phone PVG -100 is realy Unic in the hole Marked , because iz small (xtrem and has hightech from today) 8 Core Snap Dr.. alot Ram and iz
incredible Fast . And my Question for Rooting a sutch device iz more about that you can remove some Provider Bloatware. etc.
how said we will see what will come on the Comunity for this Device
Greets D

DEXXO said:
Thanks for the Info
but wich Phone a buy a surely i dont need XDA or Ask about if they have open Codes or Stock Roms:highfive:
this Palm Phone PVG -100 is realy Unic in the hole Marked , because iz small (xtrem and has hightech from today) 8 Core Snap Dr.. alot Ram and iz
incredible Fast . And my Question for Rooting a sutch device iz more about that you can remove some Provider Bloatware. etc.
how said we will see what will come on the Comunity for this Device
Greets D
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Whether or not the stock firmware and stock source code is available or not is absolutely essential to building custom ROMs.
Ok, have it your way then. Continue wasting your time and money on devices that will probably never have anything posted here to root or modify them.
As I said, not all devices get rooting methods and custom development posted here, only the ones owned by people who had the experience to root the device and/or build custom ROMs, they find a rooting method for their device themselves then post the method here or they create custom development for their device themselves then post it here.
You don't understand how things actually work here or where the information posted here actually comes from. It comes from users just like you and I that figure it out for themselves if nothing is here and then post it here for others. There is no way to know which devices will gain root until AFTER it has already been figured out, we can not know BEFORE. We can not look into the future and predict when or if "this" or "that" device will have a rooting method discovered, it can't be done, so there is no point in asking "When will this device have root?" because an answer to that question does not exist.
No one knows which devices will receive development or rooting methods. That depends on who buys one of the devices and if they decide to modify the device, if they have the knowledge to do so.
You will just have to wait and see.
In my honest opinion, that device will probably never have anything useful posted here. I can go ahead and tell you that device is, more than likely, not popular enough to receive support here at XDA.
If you feel like you would like to try and learn how to root the device and learn how to develop custom ROMs and such, by all means, go ahead. You will probably gain root and have custom development for your device sooner if you just do it yourself. Your only other option is to wait to see if someone else figures something out that works on your device, which isn't very likely to happen any time soon. It doesn't matter how cool the device is or what the specs are, if no one with experience buys the device, it doesn't get support in this community.
By the way, depending on the security measures that have been implemented in your devices stock firmware, adb can be used to remove bloatware without root.
Do a Google search for:
"Remove bloatware without root"
You'll find lots of information about using adb to remove bloatware.
Good luck
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You can disable (for all) or "uninstall" for the current user most the bloatware. A few things are tied to receiving SMS but you can read about the ones you can safely remove in the battery life thread I created. That thread assumes you're not too bothered about automatic updates as they are pushed by verizon.

www (i.e. google) also works for replacement SIM tray for Palm PVG 100. js.

snoopy20 said:
You can disable (for all) or "uninstall" for the current user most the bloatware. A few things are tied to receiving SMS but you can read about the ones you can safely remove in the battery life thread I created. That thread assumes you're not too bothered about automatic updates as they are pushed by verizon.
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Yes you can somone disactivate but not all. But on this Verizon PVG-100 the Bloat ware iz not tu mutch.

We are still working on a root solution. We have a temp root, but can't get into the bootloader.
DEXXO said:
Thanks for Information all you said about Google etc. I Tryed but for this Model iz Xtream Difficult
y even not will find a Stock Firmware to Download lmah crazy
In My Opinion Samsung Devices are the best Phones and most open about for Rooting and Flashing Roms.
for the nem Palm PVG 100 Devices i also not finding something or how someone has tryed to Root or Flash
a think it will be possible trough SP Flash or something .
Will see, but Anyway i have Realy to Say Thanks to the XDA Devolpers Comunitys for dont let Obsolete so many Phones thrugh
Custom Roms . my Sam. P1000 still runs alot of Apps ho this devices was never Supportet with the Stock Rom
the Best is espacialy for the S4mini iz incredible wha the guys from ASOP Team has done . Oreo on a S4 mini and in a realy Fast Way !
so with this also Thanks to this Guys ho realy thinks in a right decision for All Devices. I am realy not a fan of Updates and New Api,s for Apps
because in this was alot of Phones and more will get faster obsolete etc. Thats why realy Thanks for all this Devs. for the nice Roms.
Greets DEXXO
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hardbodyrichert said:
....dude...whatever you're trying to ask or trying to do, I can guarantee that this is NOT the forum to do it in. Please don't post on this site anymore unless you have done your research into the topic first, by reading what others have posted, and what info is available for your device. Posting is primarily for discussion and contribution. If everyone just posts any random questions they have without even googling it first, then the threads become completely flooded and then unhelpful for those who are actually trying to discuss something.
And fyi, we are still working on a root solution. We have a temp root, but can't get into the bootloader.
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dude i dont know wahts exaclty you wanna show with this what you write , but just for info this Thread is intended for ALL
Questions about the Palm PVG-100 so if you can handle it fine :good: and Rooting iz not the only problem
where you can find a Sim Tray Replace for this phone. (YES A GOOGLET IT ) so if you can helph with this fine too

If the phone hasn’t a permanent root yet, does that mean no apks can be extracted from it?
I’m looking to try and figure out how to get the palm launcher on my own device, but I don’t see anyone’s who ported it or extracted it as of yet, and I’d hate to ask someone to try if I know they aren’t able to.

2PiSquared said:
If the phone hasn’t a permanent root yet, does that mean no apks can be extracted from it?
I’m looking to try and figure out how to get the palm launcher on my own device, but I don’t see anyone’s who ported it or extracted it as of yet, and I’d hate to ask someone to try if I know they aren’t able to.
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As long as you do it while the device is rooted, you shouldn't have a problem.
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2PiSquared said:
I’m looking to try and figure out how to get the palm launcher on my own device, but I don’t see anyone’s who ported it or extracted it as of yet, and I’d hate to ask someone to try if I know they aren’t able to.
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com.tct.pepitolauncher.apk

1806 said:
com.tct.pepitolauncher.apk
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Thank you, got it on my device!
For anyone trying this themselves, I had to decompile the app, modify the manifest and remove the sharedUserId, and recompile and resign to get it to install. Then I had to give it secure settings permissions via root so it wouldn't crash.
Since my phone is larger and a has a QHD display, the apps were a bit small and it didn't fit well. Changing DPI did not fix, the launcher seems to only look at resolution, not DPI. So, I then changed the resolution of my device to match the Palm and decreased my dpi to make other apps still usable. Not sure what the default palm DPI and text size are, but I found a happy medium for me.
Only issue is for some reason the google search bar up top doesn't appear on the home screen but I can still click the area and get to search, not sure why, but works well otherwise. The left pane on the home screen is also black but I don't know what's supposed to go there. Probably some other dependency I don't know about. Widget pane on the right works though.
Overall pleased, thanks again!
Edit: got it to work perfectly by setting is as a privileged app and turning off dark mode. Left side pane is google now page, and top search bar now appears properly.

Hello, Is there a way to edit the APN. It seems to be locked.