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[Q] GTA III full gamepad support?

Have we heard anything regarding GTA III getting full Xperia Play optimization? I mean, we have two joysticks right there and the game doesn't use them, when the original game used dual joysticks.
Any word?

definetly +1

Oh it uses them alright, just poorly.
I'd LOVE to see them use it right though. Moving with dpad instead of analog, and having to center the camera instead of just aiming correctly is lame as hell.
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i got gta III too but he is slow?
Srry for my bad english i'm dutch and 14

I've a stock rom OC'd to 1.6 and it still lags, very little installed on the phone too...dunno why

I suggest you contact Rockstar Support here and complain (nicely!). I opened a support ticket with them and explained to them that I purchased the game b/c I saw that the phone was "supported" and I interpreted that to mean that there is full support for the Play's PS controller. I also suggested that they let me map the buttons as I see fit, like the PC versions. I also suggested that they could let us use the volume up/down buttons as the second set of L triggers or onscreen softkeys for the second set, and we could replicate the PS2 controls perfectly.
I got them to admit after a couple of replies back and forth with them that the game does not fully support the Play's controller. It's not public, but my support request # is 157050, you may want to mention it in your ticket, in order to show them that people other than me are interested in this. In the end they said they forwarded my request to the development team. I doubt they'll actually fix it unless more people complain.

Not to change subject at all, but Are you guys even actually able to use these damn touch-pad-thinggies?lol. I have tried in Shadowgun, GTA III, & Modern Combat 2, & some others games but its hard for me! Especially the games that have shooting. Maybe its only me ,but I feel the touchpads are the weakest part of the controllers design. I think they are a good start for 1st PS phone ,but I hope they are replaced by something else in the next model.
Battlefield....b*tch.

cyrusalmighty said:
Not to change subject at all, but Are you guys even actually able to use these damn touch-pad-thinggies?lol. I have tried in Shadowgun, GTA III, & Modern Combat 2, & some others games but its hard for me!
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Shadowgun would be a good example of how developers screw up touchpad usage. When they're used correctly, they feel very nice.
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Agreed, Fifa 12 is a good example on how good they are, I think Rockstar put very minimal support in... don't know.

cyrusalmighty said:
Not to change subject at all, but Are you guys even actually able to use these damn touch-pad-thinggies?lol. I have tried in Shadowgun, GTA III, & Modern Combat 2, & some others games but its hard for me! Especially the games that have shooting. Maybe its only me ,but I feel the touchpads are the weakest part of the controllers design. I think they are a good start for 1st PS phone ,but I hope they are replaced by something else in the next model.
Battlefield....b*tch.
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The problem is that devs are just mapping analog thumbstick style controls to them, which DOES NOT WORK without being able to start moving from a true center position. Dead Space does it right with aiming controls that work more like a touch screen. It doesn't start spinning left just because you touched it slightly to the left of center; instead, it considers your initial point of contact to be the virtual center. Then, it moves proportionally at the speed you move and stops when you stop, like a mouse or touchpad on a laptop. Unlike the poor controls in so many other apps, it doesn't continue moving in a direction until you "let go" or the virtual stick. It just works. Try Shadowgun on a tablet and you'll see that the touch screen controls work almost exactly like that, but even they did the stupid "map like an analog stick" method on their Xperia PLAY "optimization."
I agree: Battlefield Bad Company 2 is MADDENINGLY BAD!

Try now, it just got updated with much better controls!

Still no touch pads, but at least the rest of the buttons are more in line now.
Also liking the new display settings and performance increase.

speedyink said:
Still no touch pads, but at least the rest of the buttons are more in line now.
Also liking the new display settings and performance increase.
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Do you mean just no touch pads for moving? Because it has touch pad functions on mine and always has done, they're how you change the radio

The Alpha Gamer said:
Do you mean just no touch pads for moving? Because it has touch pad functions on mine and always has done, they're how you change the radio
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Sorry, yes that's what I meant.

My view in Shadowgun

I've never really properly got into an optimized game for our phone and found the touchpads terrible. However I've started to pay shadowgun and it is unreal. I'm hooked on it. Feels like a proper game, as if I'm sitting in front of my xbox and the controls are close to perfect. Really gives me hope for the touchpads and proves that they don't have to be hopeless.
By far the best purchase I've made for my play and there's now an expansion pack for it that I noticed but I haven't played it yet, haven't completed the first story.
Definitely worth buying and restoring your faith in the almighty Play!
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I agree. It feels like a your playing a console game on the Xperia Play. I'm loving it

Dead Space and Bad Company 2 also have excellent controls. They're also free

Where can I get bad company 2 from? I can't find it on the market
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It's definitely nice, but my faith in the Xperia PLAY never really staggered to begin with.
If you'd played Dead Space, you would've known a loooong time ago that the Xperia PLAY touch-pads are a more-than-competent means of control input (and also got a sneak peek at the standards in which Shadowgun worked up to). Even outside that, there's so many other devs that have used the touch-pads perfectly that it pretty much is just Gameloft being typical Gameloft... Lantansia, Halfbrick, TwoHeads, NaturalMotion, Art in Games, Glu Mobile, Angry Mob Games and so many more have already established that the touch-pads can work extremely well with high quality titles.

shadowgun is good, so is fifa 12.

vincientjames said:
Dead Space and Bad Company 2 also have excellent controls. They're also free
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Dead Space is not working with my hardware controls.
Thanks for the heads up though, might check out this game because of the sale.

I purchased Shadowgun yesterday but the came constantly crashes [kicks me out to the home menu after the video sequence], anyone else have this problem?

I recently wrote an article on just this very subject for XperiaGamer, you can find it here if you're interested:
http://www.xperiagamer.com/Blog3/xperia-play-touch-pads-a-touch-of-genius.html

So, it has swipe analogs ?
I dont realy play games that dont have swipe analogs and this recent sale interests me.

flat_steve said:
I recently wrote an article on just this very subject for XperiaGamer, you can find it here if you're interested:
http://www.xperiagamer.com/Blog3/xperia-play-touch-pads-a-touch-of-genius.html
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Very good article. The analog touchpads work great with some games.
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OnLive Users, please share your experience on the PLAY.

I recently found OnLive, a cloud based gaming app that is on multiple platforms, including android. At the moment, they have titles such as Assasins Creed II and Brotherhood, SplinterCell Conviction, Homefront, and many others. Their volume isnt as big as Valve's Steam, but it has been recognized by the Steam community.
Some basic pros:
-No need to download your games, their on the cloud.
-Their game selection is expanding.
-You can play a demo before you buy.
-No fee for having an account, but there is one for a membership.
-Analogs are compatible on the PLAY.
Some cons:
-You cant play offline.
-You have too keep up with your bills to play.
-No mods in games.
-Less variety of games compared to steam (which doesnt support android).
-Games are about retail price moat of the time.
- A lot of data is used streaming your game.

when i last used used it, it was very slow and lagging all the time on my wifi broadband (30Mb)

I've no problems with it. I've only 2,5 meg broadband. Sometimes it's pixelised a little but work like a charm.
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What? OnLive is out for like 6 months, XDA members went over it. Yes, it's as good as it was before.

It never connects on my wifi broadband (10mb)

It work's great for me. I only do the demos because the majority of the games I own on Xbox and I can't afford to pay twice for a game. I use it for a cool factor to show console games on a phone that no one has heard of at the parties I throw.
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CapNM77 said:
It work's great for me. I only do the demos because the majority of the games I own on Xbox and I can't afford to pay twice for a game. I use it for a cool factor to show console games on a phone that no one has heard of at the parties I throw.
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I love using onlive, one because its all cloud gaming...so I can play most of my games on my pc and then if I'm going somewhere and it has wifi (I rarely use my data *only 2 gb.a month*) then I can continue where I left off....or if I'm planning iny from.my pc to my laptop.
The only thing I dislike about the Play and onlive is the lack of L3 and R3 physical buttons OR touch screen buttons, and for most of my games, like Dues ex and AvP, it gets hard to play....but the play is Awesome for.Assassins creed games, (I've got 2 and brotherhood) and orcs must die....I think the only mistake I've made is buying dawn of war 2 when i first found onlive 3 months ago...
But the advantage is that you can always find other players for multiplayer games ( Homefront ftw, even though I don't have it, I'm.waiting for somekind of sale where it will be at or below $10....which is when I have bought my games lol)
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It drove me to buy the OnLive console(which kicks ass), but on Xperia Play I'd always thought it suffered from input lag.
Recently upgraded our router to something newer/more oriented towards gaming and now the input lag is drastically decreased; it's actually quite practical now! What I also like is that I don't always have to be confined to WiFi. In places where I have a good HSPA+ connection, I can play without being bound to a router! It's no replacement for having games that can be played without an active internet connection, but being able to play full-blown Assassin's Creed games and the REAL Street Fighter IV:AE make this quite a winner for me.
My one persisting qualm is the L2/L3/R2/R3. There is absolutely no L3/R3 whatsoever, and L2/R2 takes over the volume buttons. What they really need to do is just have L2/L3/R2/R3 as virtual touch buttons near the bottom of the screen.
If you get it, check out a lesser-known game called A.R.E.S.: Extinction Agenda. Amazing game!

Damned .on my country,to hard connected to onlive . . .really damn
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TLRtheory said:
It drove me to buy the OnLive console(which kicks ass), but on Xperia Play I'd always thought it suffered from input lag.
Recently upgraded our router to something newer/more oriented towards gaming and now the input lag is drastically decreased; it's actually quite practical now! What I also like is that I don't always have to be confined to WiFi. In places where I have a good HSPA+ connection, I can play without being bound to a router! It's no replacement for having games that can be played without an active internet connection, but being able to play full-blown Assassin's Creed games and the REAL Street Fighter IV:AE make this quite a winner for me.
My one persisting qualm is the L2/L3/R2/R3. There is absolutely no L3/R3 whatsoever, and L2/R2 takes over the volume buttons. What they really need to do is just have L2/L3/R2/R3 as virtual touch buttons near the bottom of the screen.
If you get it, check out a lesser-known game called A.R.E.S.: Extinction Agenda. Amazing game!
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Yeah, I agree with you on the R and L 3 buttons. I wish for some games though that we had the ability to flip the l2 l, r2, and the l1and r1 buttons/triggers around.....I sent onlive an email about that at the end of march and they said they would look into it.
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It works really great for me. But i'm not able to buy anything. It says that it's not available in my country, but demos works really well.
Sent from the best gaming phone in the world.

Works great for me.
BUT:
- A lot of games are too dark.
- A lot of games are unsuitable for the Play's buttons. ie. they need more.
- A lot of games don't suit a small screen. For example, the ball in Virtua Tennis is tiny & moves too fast for small, handheld gaming.

The controls suck basically, mainly because of the lack of l2, r2, l3, r3. The touchpads are also quite crap for these games :/

3dawg said:
The controls suck basically, mainly because of the lack of l2, r2, l3, r3. The touchpads are also quite crap for these games :/
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Only thing the app lacks on the play is l3 and r3...the l2 and r2 are.mapped to the volume up and down respectively...and the touchpads are meant ad analog sticks heh..imo, the assassins creed titles are.the best suited for the play.
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brsingr said:
Only thing the app lacks on the play is l3 and r3...the l2 and r2 are.mapped to the volume up and down respectively...and the touchpads are meant ad analog sticks heh..imo, the assassins creed titles are.the best suited for the play.
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from the preview I saw, it definitely beats gamelofts 2.5d ds-ish port. Yes, I bought a console hit for my former DS, and regretted it again after getting CoD4, so horrible.

So the general theme is thatyou have to have fairly good Wi-Fi to enjoy w/o lag. Also, is it true that OnLive's servers go down from time to time, I've heard things like this on other forums and want to confirm whether or not it is common. I want to try i .t, but I want to know that it is convenient before I attach my identity to anything else and forget.

IanPPK said:
So the general theme is thatyou have to have fairly good Wi-Fi to enjoy w/o lag. Also, is it true that OnLive's servers go down from time to time, I've heard things like this on other forums and want to confirm whether or not it is common. I want to try i .t, but I want to know that it is convenient before I attach my identity to anything else and forget.
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I've only ever disconnected from onlive when my internet has effed up....you have to have a marginally good wifi to have it look good, but onlive normally tells you first if you have connection issues. And you can.use aCC or DC to buy a game and then delete the card off your account, so nothing is permanent.
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OnLive : input lag
Persistent Input Lag
*my internet speed is 105mpbs/10mpbs
*have tried 3 wireless N routers (no channels overlapping)
-playing Street Fighter is grueling
-playing Batman is ok.
=I really wish it worked without the lag.

{EDIT} as a top edit I'd like to remind people that your connection no matter how fast will still create input lag in your games. That's a server issue cause by how the data / input is sent and received. If you want more info on it, check into NVIDIA and GAI KAI. Gai Kai has better visuals but the frame rate for some reason takes a dive...
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I've used the system since August, and I'm a happy customer!
At first the visuals were very muddy looking (arkham city looked really bad) but after the following update the devs must have changed something because the colors are more vibrant.
The control lag is passable, even when playing some pretty intense games. I have split second on there (and the play pack) and I've gotten numerous 1st place trophies once I got used to the latency. It's not bad at all it's just not perfect because it's not 1:1 (it's really close though).
When I got it in august of last year I thought to myself "boy I wish this had xperia play support" and what to my surprise not a week later I didn't have to use the game keyboard lol
Here's my pros and cons in a TLR
PRO's
-you're playing PC-quality games on your phone
-full Xperia Play optimized (even the volume buttons count as the shoulder buttons though it is a little awkward)
-hundreds of games to choose from and recent ones
-the price point of some games is astounding. I got a few games for only $2 you just need to look at sales frequently.
-graphics have improved dramatically since I've used the service
-the lag in controls is passable (more in CON's)
-you can view other people playing the game and there's a FREE 30 min trial with almost every game
-did I mention it's PC games on your phone?
CON's
-you can't play any 2k games on the phone right now (no bioshock, borderlands)
-the lag in FPS's is tough. Even games like splinter cell where you have to aim your gun in a tight spot it's tricky. Possible but it's a pain when it's not 1:1. I couldn't even play FEAR 2 or 3 it was death up the butt
-battery drain LOL
right there's really not many bad things about it. However the release date for the games varies though Batman: AC came out pretty soon after it's actual release.
Also Wifi and LTE are preferred and I didn't put it as a con because for me I can play on 3G as well. It's fast enough in my area, I'd use speed test to see if it is fast in your area. If you're speed test can consistently hold around 150+ KBps then you're golden.

Borderlands is on onlive lol...
The assassin's creed games are perfect for the play. Only con I have is lack of l3 and r3 buttons, even on the screen would be fine.
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WazHack , new 2d rogue like!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wazhack.WazHack
Okay so the game is not free but you can try it for the first 300meters (the objetive is to go DOWN.
It is NOT Xperia play optimized , but since it runs on Unity , the dpad works for movement. Nothing else works. We might get this optimized if we push hard enough , i guess.
And last , the game looks very promising but unfortunately , it runs awful. At least on my phone im getting constant "ram lags" , FPS is stable at 25-40 but the constant pauses make it very annoying.
The game doesnt need any quick reactions (since enemies only move when you move) but it is definitely annoying , im going to wait for a patch , if it ever comes.
You can try the game on your PC here http://www.wazhack.com/play

Never had played a roguelike game before. Interesting. :good:

WTF? It's not compatible with my Xperia Play. Anyone managed to run it?

Sure it runs fine on my phone annoying lag. Google says it's a R800i (its not)
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I am sorry to derail this thread a bit, but I am quite in a shock. Since I've bought my latest Xperia Play I am observing a worrying trend, many new games seem to be incompatible with my device. At least that's what Google Play Store says.
WazHack, Mutant Roadkill by Glu, and the latest Glu game Gears & Guts. I have a new R800i, unrooted. What's going on? Are these games really THAT advanced that my Xperia Play cannot handle them? Or is this a regional thing (some games working only for the US market)? Would appreciate any advice, thanks.

There are many versions of the xperia play, the developers need to enable them individually.
My R800i however can download it from the store just fine, unless they took it out.
Edit :yup they took it out, just side load the app, even stronger hardware sometimes gets forgotten among aaaall the android devices
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bangawasawa said:
I am sorry to derail this thread a bit, but I am quite in a shock. Since I've bought my latest Xperia Play I am observing a worrying trend, many new games seem to be incompatible with my device. At least that's what Google Play Store says.
WazHack, Mutant Roadkill by Glu, and the latest Glu game Gears & Guts. I have a new R800i, unrooted. What's going on? Are these games really THAT advanced that my Xperia Play cannot handle them? Or is this a regional thing (some games working only for the US market)? Would appreciate any advice, thanks.
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I can at least explain why I took Xperia support off WazHack. Shortly after release I got an angry 1-star rating from an Xperia user saying how terrible it was on their device. As an Indie developer (like most app developers), I don't have a huge suite of test devices. So my assumption was that it was somehow not compatible with the Xperia Play. By default, Google Play makes an app compatible with any device that meets the version requirement (and screen, and a few others). Devices that would otherwise be compatible can then be specifically excluded. I did that as soon as I saw the review.
After a few days, I managed to talk to a player on the WazHack IRC channel who had an Xperia, and I sent him the APK directly. He said it wasn't perfect but well and truly playable. (by this time I had also added many performance improvements too).
Two things he did point out though, and these may well be the specific answer to your question:
Xperia players are more likely to be demanding of games - its a key purpose for there device
The controller-based interaction gives a different feel than than touch-to-move: the player can feel a lag or jerk much more.directly
So I hope that helps expain somewhat.
Just remember that app developers probably don't have your device, and the more "special" it is, the harder it is to support, but that you can help by talking with the devs.
Anyway, it's a commercial game, which as I understand is verboten here, so I'll slink back into the shadows from whence I came.

It's true, xp owners are very demanding.
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I don't know why, but at least on my device, mutant roadkill runs flawlessly. Like zero lag, smooth frame rate.
Why not officially support it?
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[Q] Help a potentially new owner please

Hey guys. Looking to get a shield now as I love android gaming but my JXD S7300 starting to look a little long in the tooth. Games are struggling on it now so time to upgrade.
I did have a Sony Xperia z + gameklip combo but it just didn't feel quite right so I decided to sell and just go Shield!
Firstly, does anyone know where I can get one in the UK without having to sell my car first? The overinflated prices are ridiculous. Also, hows game compatibility? Another thing that annoyed me about the Xperia z was the amount of games that came up 'not compatible' which is why I went back to my Xperia play. Was tempted by a JXD S7800 but long term the Shield is probably a better investment.
Any help would be most appreciated guys.
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For the compatibility, a lot of new games are fully joystick supported, for the touch only games, the mapper app works great. And a lot of the non compatible games, can be easily sideloaded and work almost perfect, and some of them, with joystick support.

BensJammin said:
Hey guys. Looking to get a shield now as I love android gaming but my JXD S7300 starting to look a little long in the tooth. Games are struggling on it now so time to upgrade.
I did have a Sony Xperia z + gameklip combo but it just didn't feel quite right so I decided to sell and just go Shield!
Firstly, does anyone know where I can get one in the UK without having to sell my car first? The overinflated prices are ridiculous. Also, hows game compatibility? Another thing that annoyed me about the Xperia z was the amount of games that came up 'not compatible' which is why I went back to my Xperia play. Was tempted by a JXD S7800 but long term the Shield is probably a better investment.
Any help would be most appreciated guys.
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Pretty much every game on google play is compatible now that we have the gamepad mapper. They are working on an update for the gamepad mapper to fix fps games that just use the whole right field of the screen to look around and aim. I haven't looked at ebay prices if that's what you're saying about overinflated prices but that's one option. I believe there is a way to purchase it in america, have it delivered to an intermediate usa location then have them ship it to the UK. You'll probably need a proper adapter though since the UK is 220v.

Antara33 said:
For the compatibility, a lot of new games are fully joystick supported, for the touch only games, the mapper app works great. And a lot of the non compatible games, can be easily sideloaded and work almost perfect, and some of them, with joystick support.
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Pretty much every game on google play is compatible now that we have the gamepad mapper. They are working on an update for the gamepad mapper to fix fps games that just use the whole right field of the screen to look around and aim. I haven't looked at ebay prices if that's what you're saying about overinflated prices but that's one option. I believe there is a way to purchase it in america, have it delivered to an intermediate usa location then have them ship it to the UK. You'll probably need a proper adapter though since the UK is 220v.
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Thanks for the replies guys. I never like stock mappers but am familiar with Tincore and have seen that it works with the Shield so thats good news. Do many games see the controls natively though like with the Xperia Play or Moga?
Yeah, ebay was what I was talking about kieso. I cant get one on there for less than £350, either from one thats in the UK already, or one that needs importing with customs taxes! Thats like $550 or maybe more (not sure what conversion rates are atm).
Thanks again

BensJammin said:
Thanks for the replies guys. I never like stock mappers but am familiar with Tincore and have seen that it works with the Shield so thats good news. Do many games see the controls natively though like with the Xperia Play or Moga?
Yeah, ebay was what I was talking about kieso. I cant get one on there for less than £350, either from one thats in the UK already, or one that needs importing with customs taxes! Thats like $550 or maybe more (not sure what conversion rates are atm).
Thanks again
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There are some play games that are natively supported. Some gameloft games and others but I couldn't give you a number. The gamepad mapper is nvidias creation. A lot of times when you open a game the gamepad mapper detects that there is already a profile available for that particular game and it prompts you to download it. I think (don't quote me on this) that profiles are automatically shared among all shield users. If you don't like the given profile you can edit and save it.

kieso said:
There are some play games that are natively supported. Some gameloft games and others but I couldn't give you a number. The gamepad mapper is nvidias creation. A lot of times when you open a game the gamepad mapper detects that there is already a profile available for that particular game and it prompts you to download it. I think (don't quote me on this) that profiles are automatically shared among all shield users. If you don't like the given profile you can edit and save it.
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With my app you can simulate other controllers as well. (converting your gamepad into a different one) But i think it is just a matter of time that most of the games support a "default" gamepad.

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With my app you can simulate other controllers as well. (converting your gamepad into a different one) But i think it is just a matter of time that most of the games support a "default" gamepad.
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Oh wow that's your app! Youre a talented programmer! I don't know what gaming devs are waiting on. We've been trying for at least a couple years trying to map to controllers. It should be a standard by now to automatically include controller support. Do you have any other apps in the works?

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With my app you can simulate other controllers as well. (converting your gamepad into a different one) But i think it is just a matter of time that most of the games support a "default" gamepad.
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Yeah all the time I have been using tincore on my s7300b and never knew you could simulate other devices with it until a couple of weeks ago. I was mapping all games but now games like asphalt 8 etc are ready to go with the moga profile!
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BensJammin said:
Yeah all the time I have been using tincore on my s7300b and never knew you could simulate other devices with it until a couple of weeks ago. I was mapping all games but now games like asphalt 8 etc are ready to go with the moga profile!
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It is a rather new feature. I think I added it about a month ago. I think that Mode P could be better in some cases to get L2 and R2 recognized.
http://tincore.wiki-site.com/index.php/Usage:_Simulate_Controller