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Aron doesnt seem that happy with it.
Got a bit bored after the first 1:24secs as he must have said "HTC Sensation" countless times without actually doing anything else other than flapping it at the camera.
PocketNow's video's were better
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PocketNow's video's were better
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Phonedog's credibility died the day Noah left and put this total dork in charge. Phonedog should have finished the day Noah left. Lets face it though, Noah was a bit of a pleb too but at least he was a pleb with taste, i agree with a lot of what he says and i rate his judgement on phones.. This guy just seems to compare everything with his iphone... yukkk
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etz2xrFQ0LQ&feature=feedu
I like when he complains about "lag" over and over but then cannot reproduce it.
Also, people need to stop getting so caught up on quadrant scores. It always sounds like "mines bigger than yours" locker room banter.
Of course a higher resolution device will not produce the benchmarks of a similarly spec'd device with a lower resolution.
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it was an ok review. Seeing the stupid crap at the bottom every so often just repeating what he just said was annoying. Love that he only was able to recreate the lag he kept talking about so much once.
i thought this was the best review yet. he covered much more than everyone else has. i think aaron is a great reviewer, as well as noah. neither is better imo. everyone has their own oppinions. noah is more on the serious side, i can see more people liking that.. but almost all reviewers sounds so bored and are boring lol.
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Phonedog's credibility died the day Noah left and put this total dork in charge. Phonedog should have finished the day Noah left. Lets face it though, Noah was a bit of a pleb too but at least he was a pleb with taste, i agree with a lot of what he says and i rate his judgement on phones.. This guy just seems to compare everything with his iphone... yukkk
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people like to hear what phones are compared to the iphone. since it is one of the best selling phones. what is better about noah than aaron?? he covered everything there was to do on the phone with limited time. do you like the reviews where people sound like they are about to fall asleep or something? lol
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i thought this was the best review yet. he covered much more than everyone else has.
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did you watch the pocketnow review?
It was a decent review.
HTC has a habit of trying to use every bit of a device's resources for their own user interface. That's why the lag issues occur, but it's worth mentioning in a review. Not something you worry about much when you know you won't stay stock.
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i think i did, i dont remember. i will i have to re watch it. i watched some british dudes review and it was pretty much just (lag this, lag that, laggy browser, cool 3d effect). i watched a couple others but i got bored. everyone has their oppions though. no reason to judge. like the other person in this thread bashing on aaron. its a phone review.. lol im pretty sure if he had more time on his hand, etc he could cover more. it seems as 1080p for all phones released is crap, they should have worked on it more.
the links for the reviews are in this thread. enjoy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1113026
I don't understand the hate for plastic, it's far more durable than metal for the function of a phone. I've actually got the One now, it's waiting to be exchanged for the GS4 but sadly that has been delayed until May now. When using the One I was constantly worried about dropping it, I kept checking for scratched, it just made me paranoid. I even went searching for cases and I realized I hate the people who go on about the design of the phone and then wrap it in an ugly cheap case anyways. I put the frigging phone in my pocket, nothing else there and it gets a scuff some how. I realized I cannot live with the One, it's not fun to use and I'm constantly worried about it getting damaged. The thing that swung me exchanging it though was seeing how you wont be repairing it yourself, it's so poorly designed. I mean in the past if I've dropped a phone, I go to ebay, buy the parts and repair it myself, you cannot do that with the One. On top of that the One gets so hot, it's like one big heat sink, it makes playing games so uncomfortable.
So I've put the One away waiting for it to be exchanged and went back to my Nokia. Plastic is so much nicer, it has more grip, it keeps the heat in one location so you can just not hold it there, it doesn't scuff or scratch like a *****. I've looked at the GS4 teardown and the plastic rim is easy to take off and replace and so is the back cover obviously. I can not worry about dropping it or scratching it or the condition of my battery sitting in a heatsink sandwich like on the One. I can just easily replace all that stuff if I do damage it.
For me plastic is the better material by far and I don't see it as a down side. I'm getting bored of every review saying how the One is better and all they mention is the design. I've got one, it isn't well designed, it isn't even well made, I've got giant gaps between the glued on speaker grills and the plastic on the phone.
I just don't get it, but whatever!
Along the same lines of design complaints, I love how many ppl diss the design saying it looks exactly like the S3 and there isn't anything special about it. So why don't ppl say the same thing about the iphone that has only seen 1 true design change in 6 years? Not hating on Apple, I just don't see what all the fuss is about the S4 design being "dull" when other major phones don't change as drastically either.
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Ttoally agree
I could understand if the aluminum vs plastic debate was made into the subset, lesser point of contention that it is. But multiple reviews, mainly from American websites, have put it front and center as one of the biggest issues and one of the most important if not THE most important distinction between the phones. Like, seriously? Most of these reviews skim over features, barely juggle the cameras, and no real mention of Mobeam. So they insert the classic filler argument to get page views, and no new information is shown, and no real analysis done.
The only thing "cheap" going on here is the reporting. If you're reviewing a unit and you have limited access to the phone and can't do a proper review, just say so. Don't take up paragraphs to explain this "war" that few people really care about whatsoever, and especially don't make up 1/3 the problems with the phone as "it doesn't feel premium"; there's far more concerning issues to list besides that.
And it's not like cases are rare among mainstream buyers: https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/pr_120821/
Custom cases, skins, and other phone accessories make up a multi-billion dollar industry in of itself. The idea that "naked phones" are the standard and everyone should adhere to it is asinine. I would rather put a real kick ass Breaking Bad print on the back cover of my Galaxy S4 then use the generic black mist for instance.
Due to all the hype, I went out the other day to check out the HTC One and I was honestly underwhelmed. Premium feel? I don't think so. Maybe I'm weird but the One actually kind of felt like plastic to me, LOL~ The aluminum isn't even very solid and dense and it felt only a bit more thicker than my can of Rockstar I drink every day. If HTC were gonna do aluminum, they should've at least used higher quality aluminum like the one on the iPhone 5. At least the iPhone 5 does feel a bit premium. I appreciate aluminum for my car's suspension parts but don't care for it on my phone.
Sure the HTC One looks premium but I would feel bad covering up that "premium" look with a case. But if I don't put it in a case, I'll feel even worse when it gets scratched. If any dust gets under you case, its going to slaughter the aluminum finish on the One.
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Because people are dumb.
Most of my previous phones were aluminum and *solid*... That's no indication of durability as screen breaks and dents are still commonplace with metal phones. Removable battery, cooler to hold, lighter, less prone to visible scratches etc.
A vast majority of smartphone users put there phones in hideous cases anyway so the entire *premium feel* argument is fluff.
Bottom line something feeling more dense doesn't means is better quality. Just pure subjective nonsense.
If htc, sony, and apple fanboys dont bash the design, what else they have to bring down samsung? No nothing, samsung is way beyond all of them in rest of the departments.
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I'm of the view that the whole plastic thing just comes down to personal choice.For me the most lacking quality in the the s4 is the abundance of lag
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So are u saying u must choose Toyota instead of BMW so you wouldn't worry about scratches?
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So are u saying u must choose Toyota instead of BMW so you wouldn't worry about scratches?
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Every time someone uses a car metaphor, it's almost always complete rubbish. Aside from the fact that it's the paint you're scratching on the car, even if it were all aluminum, the "fix" doesn't carry over to a phone. You going to use chemical treatment/sanding on your phone to help with those scratches? The alternative is you send it back for a replacement (and warranties normally don't cover tiny scratches on the phone), or cover up the scratches with a case/skin (and then what's the point?).
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If htc, sony, and apple fanboys dont bash the design, what else they have to bring down samsung? No nothing, samsung is way beyond all of them in rest of the departments.
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Honestly no one is discussing the s4 in the one forums. Here all you guys do is Talk about the one. Take a deep breath and enjoy your phone. This isn't a war ffs.
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Honestly no one is discussing the s4 in the one forums. Here all you guys do is Talk about the one. Take a deep breath and enjoy your phone. This isn't a war ffs.
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Thats a lie my friend, when the S4 reviews came out that is all that were being discussed at the One forum.
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It's just way too hard for some of them to accept that in some circles the One is being touted as the better phone.
What the SGS 4 wins at, it's a fractional win. What the One wins at, it's almost a night and day difference. IE: Speaker quality, call quality, audio capturing capability & design. And no amount of crying is going to change that.
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It's just way too hard for some of them to accept that in some circles the One is being touted as the better phone.
What the SGS 4 wins at, it's a fractional win. What the One wins at, it's almost a night and day difference. IE: Speaker quality, call quality, audio capturing capability & design. And no amount of crying is going to change that.
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Removable battery, sd card, tons of more sensors, bigger screen, can be used with gloves and dozens of software features. It goes both ways.
Same could be said about all your audio stuff, it's fractional. Except for the stereo speakers.
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Yeah, HTC is breaking ground with those 2 million units. Samsung's shipping it's next 10 million batch soon I believe, after several carriers sold out of pre-orders. Keep telling yourself the speakers and aluminum design are all you need to have a good phone while the rest of us enjoy the aspects that "don't matter" like camera resolution, sensors, good software features, expandable memory, removable battery, screen size, headphone quality, Mobeam tech, and better hardware all around.
But you can record some really fly videos at the Slipknot concert, so there's that.
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Yeah, HTC is breaking ground with those 2 million units. Samsung's shipping it's next 10 million batch soon I believe, after several carriers sold out of pre-orders. Keep telling yourself the speakers and aluminum design are all you need to have a good phone while the rest of us enjoy the aspects that "don't matter" like camera resolution, sensors, good software features, expandable memory, removable battery, screen size, headphone quality, Mobeam tech, and better hardware all around.
But you can record some really fly videos at the Slipknot concert, so there's that.
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Lol this isn't an armed conflict. I would hate to some of you guys in a real tense situation. Honestly if someone has made their decision do you really think what you just said matters? The reason I didn't go s4 because I have the note 10.1 and I just don't care for it or touchwiz. But I still follow what samsung does because THEY do matter.
Competition is good. And if Samsung put together a product I liked I would buy it.
The fanboyism in all the forums is just comical.
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It's just way too hard for some of them to accept that in some circles the One is being touted as the better phone.
What the SGS 4 wins at, it's a fractional win. What the One wins at, it's almost a night and day difference. IE: Speaker quality, call quality, audio capturing capability & design. And no amount of crying is going to change that.
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There are two reasons why a member comes to a forum
1. He is somewhat interested in the phone of that forum ( I never visited the HTC one v forum for example cause I'm not interested in it)
2. Cause he/she wants to troll ( I wouldn't troll at a One V forum cause it doesn't compare with the S4 for example)
One of these 2 reasons brought you here, either you are secretly in love with the S4 or you're a troll which means you fear the S4.
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Lol this isn't an armed conflict. I would hate to some of you guys in a real tense situation. Honestly if someone has made their decision do you really think what you just said matters? The reason I didn't go s4 because I have the note 10.1 and I just don't care for it or touchwiz. But I still follow what samsung does because THEY do matter.
Competition is good. And if Samsung put together a product I liked I would buy it.
The fanboyism in all the forums is just comical.
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It is. But i m curious to know why you quoted this user post and not the one that got quoted cause he kinda was the fan or troll. After all this is a Samsung forum so obviously most folks here are pro Samsung. By any means if folks want to bash Samsung, do it in your forum ( not you in particular but in general). If you do it here, you can be certain there will be replies.
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Lol this isn't an armed conflict. I would hate to some of you guys in a real tense situation. Honestly if someone has made their decision do you really think what you just said matters? The reason I didn't go s4 because I have the note 10.1 and I just don't care for it or touchwiz. But I still follow what samsung does because THEY do matter.
Competition is good. And if Samsung put together a product I liked I would buy it.
The fanboyism in all the forums is just comical.
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I don't care to change his mind, really. Just pulling up the facts; you can nip at the heel all you want but competition usually implies near-equal standing, and last I checked, there's a 157 billion dollar difference between the two companies, and one is posting poor results this quarter while the other is gaining. You're right, you fanboys are pretty comical.
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There are two reasons why a member comes to a forum
1. He is somewhat interested in the phone of that forum ( I never visited the HTC one v forum for example cause I'm not interested in it)
2. Cause he/she wants to troll ( I wouldn't troll at a One V forum cause it doesn't compare with the S4 for example)
One of these 2 reasons brought you here, either you are secretly in love with the S4 or you're a troll which means you fear the S4.
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It is. But i m curious to know why you quoted this user post and not the one that got quoted cause he kinda was the fan or troll. After all this is a Samsung forum so obviously most folks here are pro Samsung. By any means if folks want to bash Samsung, do it in your forum ( not you in particular but in general). If you do it here, you can be certain there will be replies.
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Dude you were all OVER the one forums. And it's not trolling if people are respectful. And really with all due respect I'll quote who I quote.
I've worked with Samsung devs. I've taught more than a few members how to theme over here. So I've earned my opinion. The fanboyism on the one and the s4 is out of control.
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Dude you were all OVER the one forums. And it's not trolling if people are respectful. And really with all due respect I'll quote who I quote.
I've worked with Samsung devs. I've taught more than a few members how to theme over here. So I've earned my opinion. The fanboyism on the one and the s4 is out of control.
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Yes. You know why? Cause I like the One. Have you seen me bashing the One? No. Everyone that knows me Here knows that I plan to buy it at some point but I happen to prefer the S4.
You can quote whoever you want of course but you don't seem as unbiased as you make it sound, that's my point.
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Ya ya ya, every news article doesn't need its own thread...but sorry, this one does just as much as the Google Edition
Here's the link, instead of me giving you the "jist"
http://www.redmondpie.com/images-of-galaxy-s4-active-waterproof-samsung-flagship-smartphone-leaked/
...Wow, and I was about to get the sammy S4 this week too...guess I might wait now once again lol
i am so mad right now. i dont think i can exchange my phone now. good one samsung..release ur flagship that is made from plastic and release another device with the exact same specs, but with waterproofing and better build!
Itll most likely be more expensive. If that wasnt implied lol
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As a Z user, I aswell am a little peeved. But all is well, I guess.
Well it says that the phone is only water "resistant" on GSM Arena, CNET & Sammobile and also that the camera has been downgraded to 8 megapixel.
http://www.gsmarena.com/see_the_samsung_galaxy_s4_active_for_the_first_time-news-6069.php
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57585356-1/shots-leaked-of-galaxy-s4-active/
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/05/20/samsung-galaxy-s4-active-leaked/
Liquipel has confirmed that they will have waterproofing available for our devices.
$80 isnt bad either.
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Ya ya ya, every news article doesn't need its own thread...but sorry, this one does just as much as the Google Edition
Here's the link, instead of me giving you the "jist"
http://www.redmondpie.com/images-of-galaxy-s4-active-waterproof-samsung-flagship-smartphone-leaked/
...Wow, and I was about to get the sammy S4 this week too...guess I might wait now once again lol
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Yes !! Now my dreams of playing words with friends in the bathtub will finally become reality !!
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liquipel...
Bender B. Rodgriguez said:
Yes !! Now my dreams of playing words with friends in the bathtub will finally become reality !!
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I am pretty sure some other people will have different type of playing in the bathtub with this phone. Could be there dreams too!
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Liquipel has confirmed that they will have waterproofing available for our devices.
$80 isnt bad either.
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Liquipel is a gimmick when used on cell phones. It's borderline being a scam actually.
The technology is impressive and it has merits but these demos of cell phones being dunked are very deceiving, let me explain why...
First off a little history with other gimmicks. Long time ago probably before many around here were kicking they used to demo these "amazing" knives under differing brands (Ginsu probably the most familiar). They would do crazy things with them at the displays in malls, fairs, etc. One was cutting deep grooves in the head of a hammer. People would reach for their wallet in droves to buy after seeing that. I mean a knife that could cut through a hammer? Problem is no one ever really scrutinized and realized the "hammer" had a head made of lead. Lead is very soft and any iron or ss blade will cut it with little dulling compared to say trying that on an Estwing. BTW if you did try this with a real hammer (I did!) you'd find your blade about as ruined as if you took a chainsaw to a steel door.
So what does this have to do with Liquipel and their demos? Simple. They never tell you what the "water" they use really is. I'm willing to bet it's distilled water with a very low conductivity. Others that have this treatment done to their devices are reporting their device stops working after a day or two! Of course, you're using tap water which has far more minerals and therefore much higher conductivity.
It gets even worse! The average spill (beer, soda pop, fruit juice, etc.) not only is much more conductive but can be acidic, leave sticky residues which are often highly hygroscopic (which means they will absorb moisture from the air when it gets humid, becoming active again), and this is just bad to have in your phone!
Toilet swims? Don't even ask!
Saltwater which a device would encounter if offshore fishing or beach going would probably be the worst thing ever that could happen to your phone.
Liquipel can keep the fluid from wetting your treated parts but it cannot keep it OUT of the chassis/enclosure. That's where this is flawed. Once you have fluid penetration (no sick jokes, please!) your device is contaminated and will never be the same. If you want a waterproof or water resistant device you must keep the water out, PERIOD! This requires a completely different strategy starting with the chassis and any physical interface that must connect from the outside to in. Real solutions are never pretty or compact. If you eliminated the headphone jack and USB port relying on wireless charging and bt/wifi for sound, etc. it would be possible. The buttons would be gasketed like waterproof wristwatches, for example. The speaker and mic would be a challenge depending on the water (depth) rating. A meter rating would be no real issue but 100 meters would!
Finally, getting your device treated gives you a false sense of security! There is nothing worse than believing you're OK when in fact you won't be as careful and allowing your device to get dunked!
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Liquipel is a gimmick when used on cell phones. It's borderline being a scam actually.
The technology is impressive and it has merits but these demos of cell phones being dunked are very deceiving, let me explain why...
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thanks, this is informative (ran out of thanks for today, so posting this
Regarding Active - it will have a smaller screen, and is only water resistant - highlighting this as I believe many people think it is also shock/impact proof.
Seidio is developing their Obex for SGS4, I will check it out once it is released, gives water and impact resistance.
http://www.seidioonline.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-obex-case-holster-black-p/bd2-hwssgs4-bk.htm
Although it is a niche product, adds too much bulk, and worsens the mic and speaker quality.
It's always about compromise. TBH if you're the active type that wants to keep your phone working the easiest way is to put it in the equivalent of a storm case. Otter makes one that's in the ATT stores. TBH that's the only way I would carry my phone to the beach. Sand gets into everything and wrecks it - fast!
I have actually seen folks at the beach using a macbook!
Don't worry, it won't be long before connectivity will be a part of life, thought reading, embedded devices, and anti tinfoil hat tech! :laugh:
How nice of that article to included a photoshopped pic above the actual sneak peaks.
The original link should be the OP of this thread:
http://www.gsmarena.com/see_the_sam...he_first_time-news-6069.php?utm_source=feedly
some updates...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxkQavIz9wA&feature=player_embedded
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thanks, this is informative (ran out of thanks for today, so posting this
Regarding Active - it will have a smaller screen, and is only water resistant - highlighting this as I believe many people think it is also shock/impact proof.
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some updates...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxkQavIz9wA&feature=player_embedded
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According to some comments in the video, this phone is also only a dual core S4 Plus MSM8960, which is even further of a disappointment.
well you could always just but a waterproof S4 here https://www.liquipel.com/
or get your current phone treated.
I contacted them, they're still testing the treatment and it's effect on things like air gestures, etc. should be ready soon tho. I'm considering getting this done, but wonder how it effects things like heat venting, etc
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soraxd said:
well you could always just but a waterproof S4 here https://www.liquipel.com/
or get your current phone treated.
I contacted them, they're still testing the treatment and it's effect on things like air gestures, etc. should be ready soon tho. I'm considering getting this done, but wonder how it effects things like heat venting, etc
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You should check the first page of this thread >.>
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You should check the first page of this thread >.>
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You should include post #'s because your post is on the first page of this thread, in my browser.
Phones & computers - we all have options for how many posts we want to view on a single page.
It's post #10 btw.
Worse camera.
It has a worse camera. Only 8 pm. Although, it is much better looking the the stock GS4.
SamMobile has stated that ACTIVE will have OLED in one article and TFT LCD in another??????
Which is it?
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No matter how I think about it, still makes no sense. I still think people who are working on this are either seriously mistaken, or intentionally participating in a scam for development funding.
Modularity Overhead, Physical Size
This is the number 1 huge in your face problem they have to deal with, and people don't seem to be taking this seriously enough. The guy at the conference bragged about "25%" overhead, which already seems impossibly small. But even if it were true, it still wouldn't be small enough. Simple question, would you buy a Galaxy S5 that's 25% heavier and 25% thicker and 25% larger around the edges? You would not! Because no smartphone is that big! It's enormous! And it'll be over 10mm thick! Who the **** buys a 10m+ thick phone now days?
The latest prototype they have now has about 100% overhead in volume.
"Benefits" to a Modular Phone
Simply put, it does not exist, period. Remember your last phone? Why did you upgrade to the new Droid Turbo? Because it has the Snapdragon 805 chip? Or because it has a 2k screen? Or was it the camera? Or maybe? ALL OF THEM? The ASSUMPTION in the original phone block video, that people upgrade or swap phones because of a single component is simply false! Because
Firstly, modern phones are so incredibly reliable that none of the components ever get broken except the screen.
Secondly, you can replace your screen for possibly cheaper than it would cost to buy a new Ara screen module!
Thirdly, It would be stupid to put a 2k screen on your Ara phone with Snapdragon 400 SoC because it will lag this **** out of you. And who is ever going to upgrade from a 720p screen to another 720p screen?
Forthly, It's equally stupid to put a 20MP camera on your phone with Tegra 3 SoC because it doesn't support 20MP cameras! And even if it did you don't want a laggy ass camera experience do you? And neither do you want to viewfind a 20MP camera with your WVGA screen!
So, the assumptions that people would want to swap out modules, and the assumption that people change phones because a single component has failed, are BOTH FALSE! But sadly these are what the Ara project is entirely based on!
Other problems
How the **** are you going to build a centralised communications board that supports the bandwidth requirements of components even a year in the future? Without itself being ultra futuristic and expensive from the start? Because you don't want it to bottleneck your camera for 4K recording. Or you new 2k screen. Or your ultra fast LTE Cat-6 modem.
One of the biggest reasons people want to change phones is battery life. How the **** are you going to fit bigger batteries without it bulging out at a random corner and make the phone difficult to balance on your hand and a million times more ugly than the extruding camera on the iPhone 6? Because the grid is fixed and has a super small slot for the battery?
Another big reason people change phones is screen size. Well no luck here because you can't change screen size. So you can maybe change to a marginally better screen at the cost of a hundred dollars or more.
Drop the phone and have your components scatter all over the place. Or have a back cover to further increase thickness. But oh wait, you can't have a back cover because some of your components like the high end camera and big battery are bulging out in a CUSTOMISED and UNIQUELY YOURS way that you can't find a suitable back cover. Maybe you can try duck tape?
Target Market
Who is the target consumer of this device? People who don't already have a smartphone you said? How about they but a Chinese smartphone for $100 that will work just fine until the screen is smashed and have it replaced for $10? Rather than spending $200 on a mid-high range piece of **** like this and loose components because they fell off into the gutter on the side of the street? I mean these high precision engineering aren't cheap, and the end result can't be cheap either!
Maybe enthusiasts just like people who build their own PCs? Yeah good luck with the fixed screen size! What about the Galaxy S6 which is cheaper (because no need for the electro magnet and extra systems like central skeleton), thinner lighter smaller, with bigger screen and bigger battery? Now don't tell me you can swap out the GPU on your project Ara phone! As a PC gamer myself I don't even swap parts on my PC that often. Except the storage (*cough* micro SD card), and the graphics card.
Or maybe people who don't really care how their phone worked, as long as it does? Regular consumers? Like iPhone users? Yea right!
Sorry for long post. But I just don't get it.
Uh, Project Ara is a Google project...
I highly doubt Google would risk running a scam.
And dont forget it's just the first prototype. They start the downscaling once it works, not beforehand.
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jacobgong said:
....I still think people who are working on this are either seriously mistaken, or intentionally participating in a scam for development funding.....
Or It's a curtain maybe they are working on alien-powered new devices...
...You would not! Because no smartphone is that big! It's enormous! And it'll be over 10mm thick! Who the **** buys a 10m+ thick phone now days?
The latest prototype they have now has about 100% overhead in volume.
Big sells, now lets see if heavy and bulgy sell ...
Forthly, It's equally stupid to put a 20MP camera on your phone with Tegra 3 SoC because it doesn't support 20MP cameras! And even if it did you don't want a laggy ass camera experience do you? And neither do you want to viewfind a 20MP camera with your WVGA screen!
Yeah pretty much ... totally stupid!
So, the assumptions that people would want to swap out modules, and the assumption that people change phones because a single component has failed, are BOTH FALSE! But sadly these are what the Ara project is entirely based on!
I think a certain category of user would, but this kind of user keep awake at night to scout the net for the cheapest possible hardware so it's a bit like selling a 20$ burger at McDonald
How the **** are you going to build a centralised communications board that supports the bandwidth requirements of components even a year in the future? Without itself being ultra futuristic and expensive from the start? Because you don't want it to bottleneck your camera for 4K recording. Or you new 2k screen. Or your ultra fast LTE Cat-6 modem.
I told you previously: ALIEN hardware (LOL)
One of the biggest reasons people want to change phones is battery life. How the **** are you going to fit bigger batteries without it bulging out at a random corner and make the phone difficult to balance on your hand and a million times more ugly than the extruding camera on the iPhone 6? Because the grid is fixed and has a super small slot for the battery?
The answer: it will sport a crappy battery ! Or the aliens could help here too E.T had great batteries in his ship!
Another big reason people change phones is screen size. Well no luck here because you can't change screen size. So you can maybe change to a marginally better screen at the cost of a hundred dollars or more.
Best way to piss off customers: upgrades that cost more than the device
Drop the phone and have your components scatter all over the place. Or have a back cover to further increase thickness. But oh wait, you can't have a back cover because some of your components like the high end camera and big battery are bulging out in a CUSTOMISED and UNIQUELY YOURS way that you can't find a suitable back cover. Maybe you can try duck tape?
Yeah your right magnets wont hold for sure , but again the aliens!
Or maybe people who don't really care how their phone worked, as long as it does? Regular consumers? Like iPhone users? Yea right!
Not me for sure (or you for that matter)
Sorry for long post. But I just don't get it.
me neither!
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Will you pre-order ?
P.S you forgot to bash the name!
ARA are HUGE parrots godamn sign of things to come?!
would you believe
LOL. you see the very best answer if you are a XDA user and YOu still don't believein Google project ara, There are people on earth even still today those who believe NASA never send MAN on MOON. They did everything in earth in desert...
Believe my friend . Its true. Even one of leading newspaper in India has posted a review and a big article that they saw a prototype.
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LOL. you see the very best answer if you are a XDA user and YOu still don't believein Google project ara, There are people on earth even still today those who believe NASA never send MAN on MOON. They did everything in earth in desert...
Believe my friend . Its true. Even one of leading newspaper in India has posted a review and a big article that they saw a prototype.
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I know there is a prototype and I know the prototype is real. The question being raised here is also not whether it's technically feasible with limitless budget, which would be the case for the Apollo landings.
This is a consumer product and MONEY is a huge factor. I have no doubt that they could do it technically, but there is no reason to believe that such a product would be economically competitive to other products made by equally smart engineers, backed by equally rich companies.
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I know there is a prototype and I know the prototype is real. The question being raised here is also not whether it's technically feasible with limitless budget, which would be the case for the Apollo landings.
This is a consumer product and MONEY is a huge factor. I have no doubt that they could do it technically, but there is no reason to believe that such a product would be economically competitive to other products made by equally smart engineers, backed by equally rich companies.
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Money is always the factor. But what you see when the computer was first launched it is a thing for very rich people. But if u see today the you hold computer In your hand. Well right the cellphone. It's the baby born from technological advancements that happened over the passage of years. Companies worked to bring down the cost of those hammer head computers.
Same goes here. Today we have so much technological advancements that has made the pace of development very high. The project at first look very alien to people but once its started it comes to life. Don't worry its Google who need to be worried about how they gonna make it that much cheap. Now to people Google glass seem very bad device though it is not. As we move toward future things and uses will start getting clear. So just let the things have their way up to the end. Google is not small company who bet without thinking anything on Ara. Well now Google holds the patents from Motorola. People questioned why google acquired Motorola. Well for patents for sure....why Microsoft bought Nokia just for their patents. Its money....
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Just in case the other thread was not being followed much , I wanted to make it real clear.
I have bought 6 dollar cases off of Amazon that are better than this hot mess
Cut outs too small for the headphone Jack
Cut outs too small for the spen
Buttons are garbage , very stiff and lacking a good click
Corners are thin with little protection
Back cutouts block the fingerprint reader and interfere with its operation (about 70% it doesn't recognize my finger, no problems with the other cases I have)
The case itself is not grippy THE VERY FREAKING THING IT IS NAMED FOR.It slides allover when put on a flat surface,unlike the original grip case.
It has a back?? That you are supposed to put skins on??
The sides block the edge and mess with the edge screen functions
I could probably go on , but it's no longer worth it, dbrand should be ****ing embarrassed by this disaster, and I would no recommend this case to anyone.
Not surprised. What a mess. They delay and delay and delay and remain SILENT on this new product of theirs that they had to have spend a lot of money on when you consider the video ad they made and they delivered (finally) what?
If you can do a video review, please do so. Thanks for the update.
Was waiting for a video review to show up on YouTube, from the sounds of it, I shouldn't bother...
I was very disappointed by it. Specific to the Note 9, the cutouts for the S-Pen and fingerprint sensor.
Overall, I prefer the Grip V1. It had actual GRIP and I enjoyed the bumper style case more. The hard plastic felt cheap.
About the only things I see as a plus is that the buttons are textured and the case will probably not degrade horribly like the first Grip.
I messaged them on Sunday to tell them how f***** bad the case is plus some other stuff,guess what?
Never replied back,usually they reply in like 4-6h everytime!
Also told them to post my comment about GRIP on Twitter like they usually do lol
What a loser company,f**** up and can't even admit it!
But lets post how we told/wrote customer's "**** off BIATCH!" on Twitter...that's cool,right?!
Suddenly after the GRIP thing settled a little how they're active on Twitter,roasting/savaging/humiliating people (per fanboys ofc) smfh
Can anyone post any pictures
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Can anyone post any pictures
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Already lost money on this **** and now I ain't losing private time taking or making photos/video's!
Plus I threw it in the garbage after 10ish min,it's bad like seriously bad...even if I wanted I couldn't help you bud
TheInfiniteAndroid said:
Was waiting for a video review to show up on YouTube, from the sounds of it, I shouldn't bother...
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Kind of a self-plug, but check this review out: https://www.pixelspot.net/2019/04/09/dbrand-grip-v2-phone-case-review/
Half Man Half Biscuit said:
Already lost money on this **** and now I ain't losing private time taking or making photos/video's!
Plus I threw it in the garbage after 10ish min,it's bad like seriously bad...even if I wanted I couldn't help you bud
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Hahaha I did the same thing. I was so pissed off , it went in the trash about 20 minutes after I opened it.
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aryan.arora180 said:
Kind of a self-plug, but check this review out: https://www.pixelspot.net/2019/04/09/dbrand-grip-v2-phone-case-review/
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Lol was a ****ty read in all honesty!
He basically said it's **** but found what that you can buy for 5$ a skin and put it on,ohhh but you'll have to buy the case for 30something dollars. That's his good?!
Plus he never mentioned anything about the S-Pen issue that you either need to use a sharp object or your smallest finger to kinda press in to get the pen to pop out (same goes for putying the pen back in).Not grippy,hmmmm most important thing isn't good at all,it's garbage.
Button clickability isn't good is f***** horrible,OHHHHHHHH and you don't get used to the fingerprint sensor issue,period! Way to much raised,you literally have to press but press pretty hard in order for your finger to touch the sensor. You do not get used to that.
BUT hey you can buy and apply a skin,that's the good thing. Def would recommend after the review.
p.s. Wrote them a nice juicy message but after 5 days they never replied,basically took our money and f*** off!
Normally they'll answer to anything in 4-6h,this time no word.
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Lol was a ****ty read in all honesty!
He basically said it's **** but found what that you can buy for 5$ a skin and put it on,ohhh but you'll have to buy the case for 30something dollars. That's his good?!
Plus he never mentioned anything about the S-Pen issue that you either need to use a sharp object or your smallest finger to kinda press in to get the pen to pop out (same goes for putying the pen back in).Not grippy,hmmmm most important thing isn't good at all,it's garbage.
Button clickability isn't good is f***** horrible,OHHHHHHHH and you don't get used to the fingerprint sensor issue,period! Way to much raised,you literally have to press but press pretty hard in order for your finger to touch the sensor. You do not get used to that.
BUT hey you can buy and apply a skin,that's the good thing. Def would recommend after the review.
p.s. Wrote them a nice juicy message but after 5 days they never replied,basically took our money and f*** off!
Normally they'll answer to anything in 4-6h,this time no word.
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Not taking dbrand's side here at all (I hate the case too), but these statements have been made: "You can tell that I’m not happy with the case," "I really like the design and the fact that I can customize it with dbrand’s skins," and "a case I don’t like using every day and thus, I’d highly recommend looking for something else." So the review says that the customizability is the only good side, but everything else is a downside. The S-pen issue hasn't been mentioned because it was a OnePlus 6 and not a Note 9. The review does not recommend the case, unlike what you're saying.
To be honest, though, the power button did get less stiff after continued use of about a week and I got used to the fingerprint scanner issue. Maybe it's more on the Note 9, but it wasn't for my OnePlus 6.
I'm not going against you here; I'm on your side. The Grip (and Prism, for that matter) are both ****ty products. But the review is pretty on point with what everyone's saying.
I've also sent multiple emails to dbrand and they're letting me return it. However, the return process is stupid and just makes you not wanna do it. So just like you, even I'm not happy. Just wanted to make that clear.
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Not taking dbrand's side here at all (I hate the case too), but these statements have been made: "You can tell that I’m not happy with the case," "I really like the design and the fact that I can customize it with dbrand’s skins," and "a case I don’t like using every day and thus, I’d highly recommend looking for something else." So the review says that the customizability is the only good side, but everything else is a downside. The S-pen issue hasn't been mentioned because it was a OnePlus 6 and not a Note 9. The review does not recommend the case, unlike what you're saying.
To be honest, though, the power button did get less stiff after continued use of about a week and I got used to the fingerprint scanner issue. Maybe it's more on the Note 9, but it wasn't for my OnePlus 6.
I'm not going against you here; I'm on your side. The Grip (and Prism, for that matter) are both ****ty products. But the review is pretty on point with what everyone's saying.
I've also sent multiple emails to dbrand and they're letting me return it. However, the return process is stupid and just makes you not wanna do it. So just like you, even I'm not happy. Just wanted to make that clear.
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You're right!
Didn't see it was for the OnePlus 6,kinda went with Note 9 since it's on this thread,smh my bad should've looked at it properly!
Makes sense now...
Prime example of a company becoming to arrogant regarding it's customer's. You see they wanted to rip us off with a ****ty product. Probably thought we got a **** ton of fanboys whatever you bring out it'll be good enough for them! This whole GRIP thing was a farce, utter disaster... that's why they're so quite about it all,trying to put it under the rug and get moving again without losing to much customer's.
Yet whatever they Twitt it's so amazingly cool,best company ever etc...I guess as long as there are sheep companies will make millions of off people!
Half Man Half Biscuit said:
You're right!
Didn't see it was for the OnePlus 6,kinda went with Note 9 since it's on this thread,smh my bad should've looked at it properly!
Makes sense now...
Prime example of a company becoming to arrogant regarding it's customer's. You see they wanted to rip us off with a ****ty product. Probably thought we got a **** ton of fanboys whatever you bring out it'll be good enough for them! This whole GRIP thing was a farce, utter disaster... that's why they're so quite about it all,trying to put it under the rug and get moving again without losing to much customer's.
Yet whatever they Twitt it's so amazingly cool,best company ever etc...I guess as long as there are sheep companies will make millions of off people!
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Man, you're sooo right! Not gonna lie, I used to be a fanboy too, but oh, how that's changed.
They go around showing how "awesome" their customer service is but it's actually so ****. Despite being the second iteration of their phone case, they haven't even gotten the basics right. It basically proves that they're extracting money from fanboys. And believe it or not, some fanboys are actually like the case!
To make things worse, I got the Prism and that was **** too. Literally cut my finger.
I'm sticking to them to get my money worth, but that's so not happening.
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Man, you're sooo right! Not gonna lie, I used to be a fanboy too, but oh, how that's changed.
They go around showing how "awesome" their customer service is but it's actually so ****. Despite being the second iteration of their phone case, they haven't even gotten the basics right. It basically proves that they're extracting money from fanboys. And believe it or not, some fanboys are actually like the case!
To make things worse, I got the Prism and that was **** too. Literally cut my finger.
I'm sticking to them to get my money worth, but that's so not happening.
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In all honesty,since when was anything "Made in China" good/great?!
Only that shows you they never intended to make a good product,I'm even asking myself now is the GRIP actually made out of the material they are saying it's made of?
Think about this for a second...
You get lets say 100,000 orders
-People need to be payed (costs money)
-Material,template etc...(costs money)
-Put on a skid and shipped (costs money)
-F*** up needs to be remade (maybe they didn't, who knows) (costs new money)
-Customs clearance (costs money government wants some of it to)
-**** up,everyone gets 10$ Amazon gift card (costs money)
Fast run through of the costs/steps to make it and plus 10$ for Amazon. Imagine now how cheap the material and everything has to be for them to make still money out of the GRIPs if you're selling it for 30$ minus the 10$ Amazon?!
These cases couldn't have cost more the a couple of bucks at most per case!
Cheap ass cases,nothing else.Which shows you can't deny it.
p.s. Don't lie buddy,PRISM is dope as f***...didn't you see the guy hammering against his IPhone and PRISM saved his phone??? Smh don't talk **** about the screen protectors
p.s.2 Joke...ofc it's also **** like GRIP
Half Man Half Biscuit said:
In all honesty,since when was anything "Made in China" good/great?!
Only that shows you they never intended to make a good product,I'm even asking myself now is the GRIP actually made out of the material they are saying it's made of?
Think about this for a second...
You get lets say 100,000 orders
-People need to be payed (costs money)
-Material,template etc...(costs money)
-Put on a skid and shipped (costs money)
-F*** up needs to be remade (maybe they didn't, who knows) (costs new money)
-Customs clearance (costs money government wants some of it to)
-**** up,everyone gets 10$ Amazon gift card (costs money)
Fast run through of the costs/steps to make it and plus 10$ for Amazon. Imagine now how cheap the material and everything has to be for them to make still money out of the GRIPs if you're selling it for 30$ minus the 10$ Amazon?!
These cases couldn't have cost more the a couple of bucks at most per case!
Cheap ass cases,nothing else.Which shows you can't deny it.
p.s. Don't lie buddy,PRISM is dope as f***...didn't you see the guy hammering against his IPhone and PRISM saved his phone??? Smh don't talk **** about the screen protectors
p.s.2 Joke...ofc it's also **** like GRIP
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You're right. Now that you've said it this way, if you check the customs invoice, you can see that dbrand has declared the value of the Grip to be $7. I'm actually now convinced it's even cheaper since they can't just go around giving $10 gift cards on a $30 product. That makes it $20 and they still have to do everything else you said. Nope. Impossible unless it's actually like $2 or something lol.
This thing is totally not worth its price. I'm still using the Spigen Tough Armor. Just enough thickness, the best buttons, very low price.
You noticed where half of your monies goes right? I noticed alot of YouTube videos have a snippet about dbrand in them lately.
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Honestly I can't believe the hype about a company that basically draws some random bs on a sticky notes,insults customer's (tho I'm ok with the idiot's that get insulted for stupidity) without any reason?!
I've tried all skins from Dbrand,Slickwraps etc...pretty much the same s**t more or less!
Shows pretty much how easy it is to market something,you'd think it's 2019 and people are smarter but guess not,ehhhhh?
This GRIP thing should've been there end...we all f*** up no issue with that,but they literally historically f****ed up and now are acting after 2 months like nothing ever happened?
Basically just shoved it under the rug...Now they started posting random posts again that only support and a...lick them, people act like they never f***d us up?!
I can't wrap my head around how stupid humanity has become,smfh
Half Man Half Biscuit said:
Honestly I can't believe the hype about a company that basically draws some random bs on a sticky notes,insults customer's (tho I'm ok with the idiot's that get insulted for stupidity) without any reason?!
I've tried all skins from Dbrand,Slickwraps etc...pretty much the same s**t more or less!
Shows pretty much how easy it is to market something,you'd think it's 2019 and people are smarter but guess not,ehhhhh?
This GRIP thing should've been there end...we all f*** up no issue with that,but they literally historically f****ed up and now are acting after 2 months like nothing ever happened?
Basically just shoved it under the rug...Now they started posting random posts again that only support and a...lick them, people act like they never f***d us up?!
I can't wrap my head around how stupid humanity has become,smfh
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Well said. It's the same thing I say about housing, cars, smartphone costs, and pretty much anything else that humans buy that are overpriced to high hell. I do not understand why so many people constantly buy buy buy and then don't actually seem to care after the purchase is done, that something isn't working as it should. I guess I can't complain too much though because I just got a $20 check in the mail for Net10 or whatever their name was from like 10+ years ago for a settled lawsuit for them lying about "unlimited data." Lol.
Concerning the cases and such, people seem to have a stigma about cases that cost less than $30 apparently. Especially the overly hyped companies...UAG, I'm looking at you. Sorry but $60 for a case? WHAT?! And people often respond with the usual, "I'm protecting my $1k investment, I'm not going to be using a super cheap case." That's like saying, you want the most expensive car insurance policy all because you bought an expensive car, without actually putting thought into why cheaper insurance might leave you better off! It blows my mind how many people just mindlessly spend extra money on something just because they justified it already, or saw someone else do the exact same thing. Don't get me wrong, UAG(am I typing that right?), makes some really sexy cases, damn they look good and feel good. But they are overpriced man.
Reminds me of the ZeroLemon battery cases, Mophie(YUCK!!!), and the others. What in the actual F is all the extra high pricing for????? And why the heck are so many people going to freaking Best Buy to buy the Mophie battery cases like hotcakes???? LMFAO. Man, human beings are....in need of help when it comes to making sensible purchases.
Where are the "Real" pictures of this case?