Is it just me or does it this annoy you to? when people are comparing phones and lets say for example the galaxy s4 to something like the HTC one. They would say the galaxy s4 is made out of plastic and the HTC one medal. They say the HTC ones build i hands down better. Now why does that matter if 4 out of 5 people with each phone will put a otter box case or something else on it.
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It could potentially impact the durability of the phone I suppose, but I agree, it's largely irrelevant. People will just take any reason they can find to try to prove that their phone of choice is the 'best'.
I got a Lumia 521 for $79 (total cost) which is about the worst in build quality. Got the best case I could find for it and it helped tremendously. So this can work for you also. Hide low build quality with a decent case!
Really, the only concern I have with build quality is how sturdy the phone is. I'm a clumsy guy and I'm prone to drop my phone a bit. I want to know then when I drop the phone, it will stay in one piece. Maybe even be resistant to scratches/dents. The last think I want is for the thing to shatter like brittle glass.
Other than that, a case will hide any shortcomings.
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i personally prefer a plastic device with removable barttery and sd card slot than a full metal body with these limitations. it would be best though if samsung replaced the plastic on the next S flagship with aluminum(something like htc sensation). however this would mean to return to square one and redesign everything, therefore making it more expensive. i believe that they don't want to risk their good sales and do something that may leave a scar on their reputation. in addition, i don't know of any samsumng device made of metal, so it would be a huge change for them.
we, as users, would have to take into account some other disadvantages of a metal body. i put an sgs3 in a metal locker and it lost almost all the signal, it even missed a few calls, it caused huge battery drain (when in low signal area devices lose batteruy faster) so the antennas will have to be placed accordingly. plus, scratches and marks are more visible on metal, you can't really put a plastic case on a metal device(in most cases it is really inestethic, imho. but it depends on the case), hard cases can affect connectivity and if dust or sand is caught between the phone and the case it will produce nasty marks on the phone.
so, practically, plastic devices are better. it's just the common opinion that they look and feel cheap. i look forward to reading further replies on this matter.
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The reason I love my s4 is the removable battery. if I know I'm going to need it I use my 7500 mAh battery if not I use my stock battery. I hate when people say its made of plastic. So then I show them my extended battery and then they become amazed LOL
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bcs the sucks ball n too judgemental mayb haha kidding its just their personal preferences n still some tend to use phones/tabs witht tab n they've enjoyed/used to using/holding devices with premium quality thats y they complain it feels like sth missing
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I'm always amazed at how expensive some cases are - £30 for a case is really unreasonable imo. My I9000 was protected really well in a £3 case I bought off eBay!
I think it does not matter, but my Sony Xperia P is constructed of metal, and in my opinion it feels better than plastic:fingers-crossed:
How is it possible to be so much expensive! I pay only US$20 for mine. I use switcheasy colours. nice to touch, but only last 1 year and then cuts appeared in case. had to get new 1. sorry for any bad english.
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Simply because casing adds bulk to the device. If the build is great, there is no need to use any case at all because we are assured that it is fine with heavy duty usage ang rough environment.
It's usually Apple fans that claim Android phones have poor build quality...and then put their delicate iPhones in a protective case.
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Well Iphones are meant to have 'superior build quality' but I think that is debatable
Brand new they look amazing, with a bit of use, not so much. I suppose it all depends on the care taken by the user, but my personal experience with Iphones holding their looks isn't great. My Iphone 4 had numerous scratch marks on the glass. My Iphone 5 was covered with marks on the bezel.
Whilst my samsung phones didn't look as premium, they didn't mark up like the Iphones.
If build quality is based purely on durability, I don't know if a phone being metal makes a difference. If it's based purely on looks, perhaps, but then as I mentioned, the looks of a metal phone don't necessarily hold up.
Also on the subject of 'build quality'. I am definitely in the minority it seems, but I don't like the look of the silver HTC one. Sure it's aluminium, but for whatever reason I just don't think it looks that good? Just thought I would put it out there because everyone goes on and out about how good the HTC one looks
because people in their nature don't like to waste their hard earned $ on something made of chew-able toy plastics, especially far an expensive flagship phones
its like questioning or undermining everything fine in life, why do u pay for that expensive leather or well designed wallet, its just a wallet after all
or why do you pay good money for a good quality car with fancy dashboard, a crash is a crash after all
i am sorry but this makes no sense
justifying lack of taste or quality by the "case" argument is just like hiding your head in the sand
there real question is: Why is the richest Android builder of them all so dead cheap with it's loyal customers?
and the answer is: LEMONS
Alternative answer: it's all wasted on marketing
Stop justifying lemons, currently Samsung is sitting at the rock bottom when it comes to design or quality, you name it, Apple, Sony, HTC, LG, Nokia even Huwai are all building better than your (un)precious Samsung
Personally I couldn't care less what the phone is made of, because at the end of the day the phone is a productivity tool. What matters is what I can *do* with the phone, not what it looks like or feels like. I could understand if metal was more durable than plastic, but that is debatable. My phone is plastic and it's in the same shape as the day I bought it. My iPod touch is metal and has tons of scratches on the back. I've treated them the same.
The problem with phones made of metal is that they typically have a non-removable battery and many of them don't even have a microSD slot! When it comes down to form vs. function, I'm going to choose function every time.
It's about material choice and balance for the money spent.
Plastic is good, like the Nexus 5 but glossy plastic is bad as it is fingerprint magnet and fugly (S4). Aluminium also dents, Check out all the 6 months after of HTC One and iPhone.
Also price matters too, you don't wanna spend a lot of money just to get a cheap looking and feeling plastic.
And most people use cases but it's always good to have a great built quality inside.
A sound phone dwells within a sound built quality, and a sound case.
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Build quality and using a case are 2 different issues, using a case doesn't mask the build quality....like poor headphone sockets that go wrong, or buttons that get stuck (hard to press).
Personally I always drop my phone - clumsy in nature! So have to have a case. Now i'm looking for one which has a battery built in to double my usage time for the Samsung S4. That chomps up battery like nobody's business. I am a heavy user to be fair. Just my 2 cents
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I work selling phones.. So I get asked for the otterbox all the time.. despite never having any..
However, I am wondering if anyone else out there feels the otterbox is over rated... I mean sure it may protect your phone from a nuclear holocaust.. However, if your buying a phone that is a half an inch thick.. it probably adds two and a half inches to it.. (exaggerated I know but, you get the point).
While while I know everyone wants their phone to be protected..It seems sort of ironic that you find a phone that you like... (I personally love the style of the nexus one from what I've seen.. I'll judge it more in real life when/if I get one)... However meandering back on topic.. If you like the style of your phone.. why get a huge bulky case for it? I mean I see it every day.. people want the iphone and love the way it "looks".. (iphone is best example I can think of atm).. And then they turn around and want an otterbox to protect it..
I know accidents happen and we are willing to do what it takes to make sure our investments stay pretty.... However, Lately I've come to wonder if thins like otterbox are really the answer....
*edit* I also laugh because people keep telling me it is waterproof.. and with a name like OTTER box you would think it is... but, the majority of them warn "not protective against water"
You're assuming people buy fancy phones because of how they look and not functionality. I bought a Nexus One because of it's power. It's looks are a nice plus since it's so sleek, but really i just want a great phone that can do the things i want it to do.
When people go buy an iphone or any other smart phone sure they think it looks cool and its a factor in their decision to buy said phone but at the end of the day does it matter how it looks? Or is it more important to make sure your $200-$500 investment stays protected?
I have the otterbox commuter series for my N1 and although it makes it slightly larger i love it and am glad i got it. Helps me put my head at ease since i'm afraid of dropping it and whatnot
Don't mistake me I'm not putting anyone down for buying an otterbox..
However, I've noticed the ones for the iphone multiply the size alot..
And for what you pay for an otter box it does do its job I don't think there is any denying that..
However, while you do buy smartphones for functionality, I think it is safe to say we expect them to look nice as well...
My main concern when dropping more or less any phone is scratching it not it breaking altogether.. However, there in lies the irony.. Huge bulky case which adds considerable size to the phone..
Or worrying about having it scratched or possibly break.. with that said any sane person would go for some form of protection.. However, I suppose I just see an irony if the phone is comfortable before the case and less so after.. when comfort of use is something I imagen most of us would demand from a phone.
For us N1 owners, remember that we bought it sight unseen (going solely by pictures). So I think a large majority got this phone because it was (and still is) the badass world changer... Sleakness and style were just a bonus.
Particularly for me, I have big hands (i wear size xl gloves), so having this ultra thin phone in my hand just doesn't feel comfy.
I had the body glove first and liked out alot, but when I saw the pics for the Otterbox Commuter, I had to have it!
The little bit of extra thickness is actually welcome and fits beautifully in my hand now. It's also one of the few (maybe only) cases that plugs the power and headset ports.
Anyway, your point about the irony of people buying a phone because of its sexy sleekness, to only put some case on it is valid... Just no so much so for us N1 folks that bought it for what it can do, not so much how it looks!
Using the iPhone as an example I think people get cases because you can't get decent insurance for the phone from AT&T (may change with iPhone 4, who knows). If you break your iPhone you are out a sizable lump sum which some people can't afford. A case is inexpensive protection against some of this risk.
Since you can get a $6/mo full replacement insurance on the Nexus One this risk is less of a problem, but even with lower risk dealing with insurance claims are inconvenient. A case then boils down to how abusive you are to devices. I have friends that drop their phone *all the time* so a strong protective case is mandatory or their phone wouldn't last a month.
It's all a trade-off. I usually don't use a case on my phone but if I'm doing something higher risk having a case around to pop-on is a nice option.
That is a very good point. Things can appear very differently once you see them in real life from the glamour shots on google.
With that said, I suppose it is because I do find the nexus one aesthetically pleasing that I am so easily able to ask. It was a logically fallacy to think that others had the same views on aesthetics I did.
And if in the next week or two I pull the trigger, I will be pulling it for what I want the phone to do.. not for how it looks.. Although if a phone looked "unacceptable" in terms of aethetics.. It better be a marvel of modern science.
I am not obsessed with looks by any means but, I suppose I expect things to have some sense of style.
I have the Otterbox commuter case. There not to bulky mostly use it when im at work other than that I don't use a case for my Nexus.
I couldn't justify anything bigger than an invisible protector for daily use....but that's because anything else would interfere with the car dock
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My N1 lives in the neoprene sleeve it came with as I'm paranoid about it getting damaged. I hadn't heard of Otterbox until now, after having a look I think I may have to get one
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For us N1 owners, remember that we bought it sight unseen (going solely by pictures). So I think a large majority got this phone because it was (and still is) the badass world changer... Sleakness and style were just a bonus.
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So true!
Just like when I bought my G1.
It was rectangular. Had this silly chin thing on it. And it was thick!!!
But I didn't care about how thick it was, or how it looked, or how it was perceived by anyone. I KNEW, that with support from Google, it would be the best device I ever owned.
AND THENNNN, came the announcement of the Nexus One
My heart just about stopped!
Both phones were and are ahead of their time (in my opinion).
Both my G1 and N1, only have a screen protector.
I've never been afraid of dropping my phone, because I never have.
It's never in my top shirt pocket. Never in a belt holster. It's always safe in my pocket, safe in my palm, or safe sitting on my desk.
As for bulky protectors?
That's why I don't dare buy one.
I've yet to read a 10 star review for a protective thing case.
Until then, I'll continue to baby my N1
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Anyway, your point about the irony of people buying a phone because of its sexy sleekness, to only put some case on it is valid... Just no so much so for us N1 folks that bought it for what it can do, not so much how it looks!
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My buddy heard about the Quadrant benchmark app, and wanted to compare the results of his EVO to my Nexus.
He was shocked that my 6 month old device kicked his ash, hahaha.
i dont mind plastic as long as its good quality, also is it worth the price? i want one but its expensive..
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i dont mind plastic as long as its good quality, also is it worth the price? i want one but its expensive..
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I have had mine for around a month and a half. It is honestly used and abused for around 10-17 hours a day, six to 7 days a week. Mostly by me personally. It has developed a few small creeks in the backing at the surround for the s pen and at the top corners around the camera. These creeks are not bad. There is no perceptible wearing on the buttons.
I did drop this tablet from about 4 1/2 feet onto the glass screen on a ceramic tile floor, it landed almost flush with the screen. Despite the first ever in my life dropping of a tablet or laptop the screen did not take any perceptible damage and I did examine it thourally. After 4 or 5 minutes of profanity directed at my self for clumsiness I began to breathe again. It left no scratches in any light at any angle. I feel that this would be a very different case should an impact be delivered on a corner.
The silver band surrounding the front bezal is in very good condition showing no wear as yet though I feel that this is a weakness and will show wear before any other part. The s pen is holding up perfectly so far. Overall I would say the build quality of this unit is good with normal creeks when dealing with plastic parts though I do believe samsung should go metal with a plastic window for gps at this price point. The polish finish of this unit shows the slightest fingerprint and I feel samsung should use a matt finish however im sure some disagree with me.
im eyeballing a refurb from here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131468
I think there well worth it, don't know how much they cost in the state's but couldn't be as much as in Australia and I'm happy with the Australian price
Although I think we pay too much generally for any tech over here. I don't mind p lastic for the body it probably makes it a little more shock absorbent, the screens good, the s-pen comes in handy for things like sketching if your into that and note taking. I also really like the front facing speakers and. Haven't come across any problems yet playing any of the Graphics heavy games either.
Looks like a good deal for a 32gb unit to me. I hope you get a lot of enjoyment from it. I certainly like mine.
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well i dont know if i want it from there says at bottom its a B grade item
I find the build quality to be adequate. I had a Transformer tf300t prior, & it felt superior in hand. Very solid and no creaking. The Note feels lighter in hand. It does creak a bit, but once I put it in a leather folio case, it does not.
The fact that the speakers are on the front, the color contrast of the screen, & the s-pen more than make up for any build faults in my opinion.
Build quality is good. I'm satisfied
I really appreciate the lightness and thinness of the unit.
One thing I always do with all my tablets is buy TPU covers.
As I use my Note 10.1 constantly throughout the day I'm not buying a cover that goes across both the back and screen - that would be too inconvenient. I have thought of buying a Zero-shock / memory foam sleeve but I don't get out enough to justify its purchase.
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im eyeballing a refurb from here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131468
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Very good price for a 32gb refurb version
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Very good price for a 32gb refurb version
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ya but read description down towards bottom says "b" grade i dont know if thats just because its a refurb or means has some kind of flaw or something
Personally I'm not too happy with the build quality. I feel the back tends to Creek from time to time. I don't like the fact that it use a proprietary cable and not a standard Mico usb. all that saidi would definitely buy it again.
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Im satisfied aswell. No gripes here, although im a little annoyed that the gray coating around the headphones and chargering ports are starting to scratch and chip away
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Im satisfied aswell. No gripes here, although im a little annoyed that the gray coating around the headphones and chargering ports are starting to scratch and chip away
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emails to newegg they gave me samsungs number they arent sure
Well i have been reading around the comments of the people about , how silly samsung is for making s4 all plastic when there are other phones with a good overall build quality.
Well i wont compare it with the sales of samsung but i think they have other reasons. Well i agree that metal always looks and feel great. But dont u think that plastic body is much durable. Well i have never seen any phone breaking in 2 years. People with s2 s3 notes are allbhappy with their phones. Just some scratch issues. So its bearable.
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Well i have been reading around the comments of the people about , how silly samsung is for making s4 all plastic when there are other phones with a good overall build quality.
Well i wont compare it with the sales of samsung but i think they have other reasons. Well i agree that metal always looks and feel great. But dont u think that plastic body is much durable. Well i have never seen any phone breaking in 2 years. People with s2 s3 notes are allbhappy with their phones. Just some scratch issues. So its bearable.
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definitely a big plus for samsung here is that if you do damage your case, you can just buy a new one.
if i had a GS4 i definitely wouldn't be using a 3rd party case for that reason.
my problem is that the plastic used by samsung in the gs3 and probably the gs4 is that while it may be durable - im sure it is - it just looks cheap, and that matters to me
my HTC incredible s is plastic, but its like rubberised plastic, and i think its great - it feels nice and durable, non-slippy and i think it feels like a good quality material - maybe thats just me
Actually samsung is so successful with ita galaxy line. That they are so scared of trying even a little change to it. Just like apple was scared to change ios. So they will make money from this same strategy, same looks and builds until sales drop. Till then we all have to agree with their plan.
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Well i have been reading around the comments of the people about , how silly samsung is for making s4 all plastic when there are other phones with a good overall build quality.
Well i wont compare it with the sales of samsung but i think they have other reasons. Well i agree that metal always looks and feel great. But dont u think that plastic body is much durable. Well i have never seen any phone breaking in 2 years. People with s2 s3 notes are allbhappy with their phones. Just some scratch issues. So its bearable.
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Mostly anal OCD types who really should not care because people who are THAT concerned about "wearing" these devices probably spend a lot more on Otter Boxes and "screen protectors" and never see the case or use the smooth glass. All the moaning about metal vs plastic is fun to read though.
Those of us who USE the phones without cases and "protectors" could not care less about metal or plastic and may even prefer the lighter plastic. We care about what is INSIDE...not outside. These are not "fashion statements"
Well.... I suppose the iPhone is........
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Mostly anal OCD types who really should not care because people who are THAT concerned about "wearing" these devices probably spend a lot more on Otter Boxes and "screen protectors" and never see the case or use the smooth glass. All the moaning about metal vs plastic is fun to read though.
Those of us who USE the phones without cases and "protectors" could not care less about metal or plastic and may even prefer the lighter plastic. We care about what is INSIDE...not outside. These are not "fashion statements"
Well.... I suppose the iPhone is........
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Most peoples argument is, it's a flagship device and every part of it should feel 'premium' and plastic just doesn't...
The S4 body is polycarbonate (no different than devices like the Lumia 920 or the One X, except for the finish). The front of the device is Gorilla Glass 3 and the inside of the device is a magnesium frame like their previous devices (lighter and more durable than aluminum).
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Do these "most people" get this fussy over other products that are made of plastic?
Last year I chatted with a friend who was sporting a Beats audio headset while commenting on the plastic-ness of my S3.
You can imagine my thought bubble: "lol - You got plastic wrapped around your head."
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. "Flagship" is a matter of ones own definition Flagship to me is still the Note 2 . I don;t see anything in the S4 that trumps my Note 2. In this case the note 2 is the flagship device still. There are no rules for "flagship" devices. They are only flagship because they are the latest not the prettiest. Plastic for a device one may keep a whole year is a good business decision. Samsung will sell millions of them as usual. More than "flashy metal" Sonys and HTCs.
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Do these "most people" get this fussy over other products that are made of plastic?
Last year I chatted with a friend who was sporting a Beats audio headset while commenting on the plastic-ness of my S3.
You can imagine my thought bubble: "lol - You got plastic wrapped around your head."
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Now THAT made me nearly spew my big Gulp into my screen. "Beats" goofy colored headphones..... another "fashion statement" I guess its all about "look at me and my stuff" over great technology. I will stll take a pair of Westone 3s over Beats anything
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Well i have been reading around the comments of the people about , how silly samsung is for making s4 all plastic when there are other phones with a good overall build quality.
Well i wont compare it with the sales of samsung but i think they have other reasons. Well i agree that metal always looks and feel great. But dont u think that plastic body is much durable. Well i have never seen any phone breaking in 2 years. People with s2 s3 notes are allbhappy with their phones. Just some scratch issues. So its bearable.
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Metal may be stronger, however is does a piss poor job of absorbing impact and doesn't sprint back to it's original state. I would rather have the plastic absorb the impact than the circuits in the phone taking a beating. I skin all my stuff anyone so I am not worried about scratches.
so what about the sides where S4 has metal? Will that not pick up scratches/nicks or not bend when it will fall?
Or is that it is ok where Samsung deems it ok and not where it doesnt.
In any case, I've seen many drop tests on youtube and S3 seems to do far worse than iphone5. shame on Samsung
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so what about the sides where S4 has metal? Will that not pick up scratches/nicks or not bend when it will fall?
Or is that it is ok where Samsung deems it ok and not where it doesnt.
In any case, I've seen many drop tests on youtube and S3 seems to do far worse than iphone5. shame on Samsung
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I might be wrong but from what I have read that is not metal around the sides it is also plastic coated to look like metal just like the GS3.
I'm the type that puts the invisibleshield on
the screen and the phone in an Otterbox Defender case. Mostly because I like the heavy durable feel. But also because I like to keep the phone in near mint condition. Then when the case cracks or looks crappy I rock the phone naked. Right now my Samsung Captivate is naked and in awesome condition for being so old. I like having a scratch free phone after several years of use. To me it's like insurance, figure if I'm going to keep it a few years, which I do for ipods and phones, I may as well protect the investment.
I could go either way with plastic or aluminum. Both have their ups and downs, so I don't gripe about either. Plastic doesn't dent like aluminum, but aluminum helps dissipate heat better.
I also hate the feel of my wedding ring against a steel phone when fishing it out of my pocket. Small, but to me it makes me cringe. Like nails on a chalk board.
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I might be wrong but from what I have read that is not metal around the sides it is also plastic coated to look like metal just like the GS3.
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It's poly carbonate (used to make bullet proof glass)
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It's poly carbonate (used to make bullet proof glass)
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Same diff,either way it is not metal. We should just start calling it by one of its tradenames to avoid confusion lol.im pretty sure everyone knows what lexan is
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Can we really say that metal is better that plastic? If it was true, why did they invented it?
Here’s a little story.
Two men are on a battlefield, first man’s name is Harold Thomas Campbell (Lets call him H.T.C. for short) and the second man is called Samuel Forsyth (Let’s call him S4 for short). The two men are given the choice of two high tech armors. One is metal armor, the other is polycarbonate (light weight bulletproof) armor. H.T.C. takes the metal one and S.4. takes the polycarbonate. H.T.C. starts laughing at S.4. and said, "Your armor doesn't look premium". S4 reply “let’s see on the battlefield”. It’s the final battle against their sworn enemy, the terrible Icarus Fontana (let’s just call him ifon for short). The fight begun. Ifon brings his large army of magic metal robots. They have the power to mesmerize inferior minds. HTC and S4 are in smaller number but their android army can adapt to any situation. The battle is long and furious. Ifon is sending his elite guard called, #5. The #5 gives a quick scare but the android army counter all #5 efforts. During the battle the high tech armors starts to lose power, so S4 quickly removes his back panel and changes his power source. H.T.C.’s power is getting dangerously low but his heavy metal armor doesn’t allow him to replace the power source. He needs to find an electrical outlet nearby. H.T.C. and S4 receive many hits. HTC’s armor is all dented and scratched but still resist. S4’s armor looks untouched. The battle is raging on and S.4. is killing enemies at an incredible pace. S4 is trying to help HTC but the armor is just too low on power and too heavy to carry. HTC dies on the battlefield. Ifon’s army is retreating. S4 won this fight but the battle is not over.
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Can we really say that metal is better that plastic? If it was true, why did they invented it?
Here’s a little story.
Two men are on a battlefield...
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Haha thanks man! A gorgeous story to tell our grandchildren when we are grandparents!
Yes about the feel metal feels premium, but if we talk in terms of quality and durability, i would definitely say that plastic is nore durable. Plus who uses his phone for more than 2 years.
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Now THAT made me nearly spew my big Gulp into my screen. "Beats" goofy colored headphones..... another "fashion statement" I guess its all about "look at me and my stuff" over great technology. I will stll take a pair of Westone 3s over Beats anything
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Touche My Friend... Touche..!!
qazibasit said:
Actually samsung is so successful with ita galaxy line. That they are so scared of trying even a little change to it. Just like apple was scared to change ios. So they will make money from this same strategy, same looks and builds until sales drop. Till then we all have to agree with their plan.
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This is the thing dude. When you are already having dream success and that too in a hell of a competitive environment, you don't really need to change things all over. Just imagine apple today decides to bring major open source changes in ios like android or major changes in design, more than half of the customers will dislike it. It's because they are used to this closed environment. Hence making major changes with just 1 phone is not that easy.
Samsung has already replied to this criticism. Plastic is easy to make in mass production and its durable. Like it or not but it will be like this. To shut the mouth, Samsung is giving hell of other things in both software and hardware department. This should be enough to please us.
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One of the biggest and most enduring complaints against the Galaxy S phones is their cheap feeling, plastic build quality and lack of premium materials. The plastic build is quite functional, and has many merits like high yields, good reception, removable battery, etc., but many people still have reservations about jumping onto the Galaxy bandwagon, especially those coming from HTC or Apple phones, or just plain have a strong dislike for plastic on their smartphones and want a premium metal one instead. They know they will be losing conveniences like a removable battery or removable storage, experience minor problems like signal attenuation and easy scuffing and scratches, have a slightly thicker and heavier phone, but are willing to make the compromise for the rigidity and the luxuriousness of a cold metal slab in their hand.
Samsung is no stranger to making aluminum phones, like the Samsung Wave, Omnia, etc. They will also invariably make a million different phones based on the Galaxy S4 design, phone names ending in Note, Ace, Mini, Star, Plus, Grand, Duos, etc. Would it be so difficult for one of these releases to be an aluminum version of the S4? Not only will you quickly silence critics and enamor fans who have been beseeching you for this very thing, you will be increasing your dominance over the smartphone world by converting many an Apple and HTC fan and winning over a whole demographic of people who have previously shunned your phones. It may be a minority, but it is a sizable and vocal minority that will translate to great sales and great publicity for the Galaxy brand. You won't need high yields, carrier deals, or special engineering and design that you didn't already possess from past phones. You can sell it online unlocked with few barriers. No need for LTE either. It doesn't have to be grand or breathtaking. It just needs to be metal. As mentioned above, we are willing to make the compromises, which we find quite minor, as long as the best parts of the S4 stay intact like the screen, camera, and processor. Please consider granting the request of a longtime Samsung user (as far back as the 5MP G600 slider) and countless others who want an aluminum Galaxy S4.
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One of the biggest and most enduring complaints against the Galaxy S phones is their cheap feeling, plastic build quality and lack of premium materials. The plastic build is quite functional, and has many merits like high yields, good reception, removable battery, etc., but many people still have reservations about jumping onto the Galaxy bandwagon, especially those coming from HTC or Apple phones, or just plain have a strong dislike for plastic on their smartphones and want a premium metal one instead. They know they will be losing conveniences like a removable battery or removable storage, experience minor problems like signal attenuation and easy scuffing and scratches, have a slightly thicker and heavier phone, but are willing to make the compromise for the rigidity and the luxuriousness of a cold metal slab in their hand.
Samsung is no stranger to making aluminum phones, like the Samsung Wave, Omnia, etc. They will also invariably make a million different phones based on the Galaxy S4 design, phone names ending in Note, Ace, Mini, Star, Plus, Grand, Duos, etc. Would it be so difficult for one of these releases to be an aluminum version of the S4? Not only will you quickly silence critics and enamor fans who have been beseeching you for this very thing, you will be increasing your dominance over the smartphone world by converting many an Apple and HTC fan and winning over a whole demographic of people who have previously shunned your phones. It may be a minority, but it is a sizable and vocal minority that will translate to great sales and great publicity for the Galaxy brand. You won't need high yields, carrier deals, or special engineering and design that you didn't already possess from past phones. You can sell it online unlocked with few barriers. No need for LTE either. It doesn't have to be grand or breathtaking. It just needs to be metal. As mentioned above, we are willing to make the compromises, which we find quite minor, as long as the best parts of the S4 stay intact like the screen, camera, and processor. Please consider granting the request of a longtime Samsung user (as far back as the 5MP G600 slider) and countless others who want an aluminum Galaxy S4.
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I like this thread
If sammy makes an aluminium S5 (not gonna happen with S4), then i'll be cool with it. But the plastic doesn't bother me one bit, i would love however, a design change and the polycarbonate to be as good and rigid as the One X. Thats very good plastic right there.
Its true that samsung could use a different type of material and gain even more customers, but the plastic hasnt stop galaxy s sales one bit, actually it looks like the demand for the S4 is 4 times the S3 demand in the UK (dont quote me on that). A more premium device is always better, no question about it, but samsung does such a great job with the software, features and cutting edge spes that it does more than make up for it.
So....$900 for a phone? (Already costs $800). No thank you. No need to spoonfeed sammy. They already make tons of profits out of this phone.
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We are already paying a premium for the S4 in the UK.
I would be willing to sacrifice weight and thickness for an extra 2000 MAh of battery, but I don't see the point of sacrificing it for just an aluminium case.
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if you want people to take your poll seriously, then don't make a joke of it. I was going to vote until I saw the the options.
The title of the thread is a simple yes/no question, so why be a clown when making a poll and put all those useless options, and they're not even funny and stop playing pokemons. How old are you?
If Samsung overhauled touchwiz and used materials which when you picked up the phone you thought wow this feels great then count me in I would buy one without hesitation.
Paying a premium price for a phone should mean the phone feels premium and not some cheap plastic toy.
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if you want people to take your poll seriously, then don't make a joke of it. I was going to vote until I saw the the options.
The title of the thread is a simple yes/no question, so why be a clown when making a poll and put all those useless options, and they're not even funny and stop playing pokemons. How old are you?
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I find it rather amusing when others insult people who like what they don't like. "I hate x game, but you like it, so you must be a loser!"
To the OP: Depends on the cost. I live in the U.S., so if it's still a subsidized cost of $199.99/299.99 -ish (for respective internal storage), then I would definitely consider it. That seems doubtful though, so probably not.
I would prefer buying a back cover worth $20, rather than paying samsung an extra $100 for a new design. I am not at all bothered by the material or design, I know I will get used to it within a day and after that all I will need is solid performance and new features
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sohebq said:
I would prefer buying a back cover worth $20, rather than paying samsung an extra $100 for a new design. I am not at all bothered by the material or design, I know I will get used to it within a day and after that all I will need is solid performance and new features
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^This times 100 million, the S4 is gonna be the most fun phone to use, the material and design arent issues for me either, actually i like it a lot.
Yes. Cheap plastic bothers me a lot, while HTC One, Xperia Z, iPhone and even N4 feels and looks premium. Even only aluminium (real) trim on sides would be already great and not painted plastic, which cracked on sgs3 without reason.
Other thing I dont like is lack of sources, but I guess i9505 will be better than my current phone in that view.
With premium design and materials I would already ordered i9505, but now Im still not sure. I will order it if Motorola X wont be launched on Google I/O or if it wont be as good as I hope for.
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The plastic don't bother me at all, for goodness sake Coca-cola cans are made out of aluminium. in fact its much more sturdier than S3, what's inside matters a lot to me(CPU/GPU, RAM, I/O speed) and i believe it has the best hardware compared to the HTC One and Xperia Z, and besides repairs is a doodle too. I wish anyone repairing a HTC One without warranty a very goodluck.
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The plastic don't bother me at all, infact its much more sturdier than S3, what's inside matters a lot to me(CPU/GPU, RAM, I/O speed) and i believe it has the best hardware compared to the HTC One and Xperia Z, and besides repairs is a doodle too. I wish anyone repairing a HTC One without warranty a very goodluck.
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Can't deny that plastic is more durable but I think with the price premium good old sammy are charging people expect a phone to be made out of aluminium or glass but there are of course limitations with removable battery covers when it comes to using materials like that.
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Can't deny that plastic is more durable but I think with the price premium good old sammy are charging people expect a phone to be made out of aluminium or glass but there are of course limitations with removable battery covers when it comes to using materials like that.
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I will personally prefer carbon fibre or some ceramic material to call premium, aluminium/plastic is too common and cheap to make, glass is cheap too and fragile, but that's just me. I think carbon fibre with removable battery will just be awesome. Another thing is the AMOLED display and DDR3 RAM are premium components compared to LCD/DDR2.
Don't like glass covered smartphones they are just so damned fragile!
If possible the body of my next smartphone should be made out of rubber, so when I drop it on a stone floor, it just bounce back into my hand
BTW I don't think Sammy take the biggest bite of this cake... retailers do!
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I will personally prefer carbon fibre or some ceramic material to call premium, aluminium/plastic is too common and cheap to make, glass is cheap too and fragile, but that's just me. I think carbon fibre with removable battery will just be awesome. Another thing is the AMOLED display and DDR3 RAM are premium components compared to LCD/DDR2.
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Would love a carbon fiber smartphone.
I wouldn't pay extra, because I find polycarbonate (which is only the back cover) used more then adequate for normal period of phones life 2-3 years for most people. If need be, one can always buy aftermarket metal or glass back cover and as a bonus get thermal or reception issues.
Sure it is nice to hold aluminum, but definitely not a must have for me. I would pay premium to have removable plastic back cover where I can access battery and sd card. Since battery is not likely to survive even 2 years of every day charging. And paying half-a-new-phone and sending it somewhere to get battery changed is just incredibly impractical.
Not to even get started on having all glass phone... We all know whose idea that was, but even Apple doesn't do it any more. I find absolutely no positive in all glass phone. Only looks, maybe...
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ama3654 said:
I will personally prefer carbon fibre or some ceramic material to call premium, aluminium/plastic is too common and cheap to make, glass is cheap too and fragile, but that's just me. I think carbon fibre with removable battery will just be awesome. Another thing is the AMOLED display and DDR3 RAM are premium components compared to LCD/DDR2.
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Exactly, I never had a feeling of my phone not being no.1 most premium device, if not prior, then at the 1st look at its full RGB amoled screen. For me there's no going back to any other display tech. And this is my first amoled as well as Samsung phone. Before I only had Samsung tablet and Htc and Nokia phones.
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If Samsung overhauled touchwiz and used materials which when you picked up the phone you thought wow this feels great then count me in I would buy one without hesitation.
Paying a premium price for a phone should mean the phone feels premium and not some cheap plastic toy.
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I second that.
Samsung are overpricing S4 way to expensive, I wouldn't pay that much for a Premuim build phone never mind cheap plastic. Samsung are taking the mick that's why I jumped ship.
Aluminium, glass means no buy for me, Lesson already learned. Aluminum only looks good at the beginning, but tends to look way worse after few months.
But this is actually really interesting topic:
There should be 2 galaxies s4 - one as it is, with removable polycarbonate back cover and other say with aluminum.
Would you pay, say +50eur to have s4 made of (unibody) aluminum or glass and have inaccessible battery?
I wouldn't. And I wonder which would sell better.
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I just got a huge scratch on the Black surround on the rear camera from the zipper in my coat jacket oddly enough. Anyone know of of glass protector or similar for the rear Camera area ? Darn phone went from the box into a ringke case before I even turned it on, covered the screen with a tempered glass protector. , and my jacket zipper scratches it ???
Crazy. There goes my used resale value I guess.
Such another great example at why this trend from mftr's making their phones as thin as friggin' possible does nothing but gives us smaller battery capacity and exposed camera humps. Apple had the idea right, recess the lens in the rear housing to avoid it from getting scratched. Seriously, it seems like all Android mftr's keep doing this stupid trend of rear camera humps, drives me nuts. Make the phone just 1.5mm thicker, fill that space with battery AND protect the camera. Win-win.
If you had a case though, how'd the ring get scratched?
I've read all these scratched this and that threads. Either some people have bad luck or are careless with their phones. Either case why blame LG?
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I've read all these scratched this and that threads. Either some people have bad luck or are careless with their phones. Either case why blame LG?
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Why not make the phone 1mm or 2mm thicker, give us another 1000mah of battery capacity, and protect the camera lens in the process?
Apple. That's why.
I keep my phone in my jacket chest pocket. (Not my pants pocket for protection or so I thought) and the zipper must have snagged the rear Camera housing. It's just cosmetic but pretty big. Yes it's seems odds that is got caught with a case on, but it did ?. Bummer since I take some may steps to keep my devices mint (no keys, no drops, no water etc.), to get owned by a coat zipper just sucks.
Sorry to hear... the rear camera rim is anodized aluminum. It will scratch easy if it comes into contact with keys, zippers, and such
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Such another great example at why this trend from mftr's making their phones as thin as friggin' possible does nothing but gives us smaller battery capacity and exposed camera humps. Apple had the idea right, recess the lens in the rear housing to avoid it from getting scratched. Seriously, it seems like all Android mftr's keep doing this stupid trend of rear camera humps, drives me nuts. Make the phone just 1.5mm thicker, fill that space with battery AND protect the camera. Win-win.
If you had a case though, how'd the ring get scratched?
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Uh, isn't the iPhone one of the thinner phones around? Manufacturers having exposed camera lenses/rings have nothing to do with the thinness of the phone, but just a design choice they make.
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Uh, isn't the iPhone one of the thinner phones around? Manufacturers having exposed camera lenses/rings have nothing to do with the thinness of the phone, but just a design choice they make.
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I agree ... nothing to do with Apple or iPhone.
And if I may add, it's not just a design choice, it's what the people want. There are thicker phones and there are thinner phones. They keep getting thinner because that's what the consumer buys.
I do think that every scratch, nick, broken or cracked screen or other is from either neglect (not often) or accident (most often) based on the differences between the way one was able to treat their previous phone, and the fragility of their new phone because of it's design changes. This isn't an attack on anyone who's damaged or broken any part of their phone, (it's happened to me), but I take responsibility for my actions and recognized I could-have/should-have been a bit more careful ....
... (and re-think having kids. ;- )
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I agree ... nothing to do with Apple or iPhone.
And if I may add, it's not just a design choice, it's what the people want. There are thicker phones and there are thinner phones. They keep getting thinner because that's what the consumer buys.
I do think that every scratch, nick, broken or cracked screen or other is from either neglect (not often) or accident (most often) based on the differences between the way one was able to treat their previous phone, and the fragility of their new phone because of it's design changes. This isn't an attack on anyone who's damaged or broken any part of their phone, (it's happened to me), but I take responsibility for my actions and recognized I could-have/should-have been a bit more careful ....
... (and re-think having kids. ;- )
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I'm a consumer, and I happen to want a phone back that is completely flush so my camera lens/ring is protected, not vulnerable. Thickening the phone up a bit could also allow a few hundred more mah of battery as well, that's a win-win.
Judging by the OP, I'm not the only one.
Consumers only buy what's available to them, simple as that. Apple started the "thin-ness" war with their announcement of the iPhone 4 I believe it was. They advertised it on-stage as "the thinnest smartphone ever" and the war began. This notion that somehow the consumer demands a 7.3mm phone versus that of a 8.7mm phone is ridiculous. Consumers aren't demanding that, it's a marketing tactic. In fact, on every tech site I visit it's always about battery life and camera quality. Batteries that get smaller/thinner do the opposite, and an exposed camera/lens is antithetical as well.
Face it, Apple sets trends on thinness. They have an obsession with it, which means all the Android mftr's follow suit. All I'm saying is why not make the phone 1.5mm thicker, make the phone back flush to protect the camera and lens, and give more battery life in the process? As a consumer, that's what I want.
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I'm a consumer, and I happen to want a phone back that is completely flush so my camera lens/ring is protected, not vulnerable. Thickening the phone up a bit could also allow a few hundred more mah of battery as well, that's a win-win.
Judging by the OP, I'm not the only one.
Consumers only buy what's available to them, simple as that. Apple started the "thin-ness" war with their announcement of the iPhone 4 I believe it was. They advertised it on-stage as "the thinnest smartphone ever" and the war began. This notion that somehow the consumer demands a 7.3mm phone versus that of a 8.7mm phone is ridiculous. Consumers aren't demanding that, it's a marketing tactic. In fact, on every tech site I visit it's always about battery life and camera quality. Batteries that get smaller/thinner do the opposite, and an exposed camera/lens is antithetical as well.
Face it, Apple sets trends on thinness. They have an obsession with it, which means all the Android mftr's follow suit. All I'm saying is why not make the phone 1.5mm thicker, make the phone back flush to protect the camera and lens, and give more battery life in the process? As a consumer, that's what I want.
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Wait ... let's not battle .... I respect your opinion ... but mine is different about what people want and what "drives a market"
We agree that everyone is within every right to have needs and wants different than what the phone is giving. But if there's going to be a trade off somewhere. That trade off is to either gets something that fits the consumers first choices regardless of what it looks like ... or take what's leading the market and adapt it to work in/within the limits of the original design. I believe that the majority of the market would take a phone as thin as a credit card if it did the job. We want this in our laptops and our TV's .... and we certainly want it in our phones.
Another thing we want in our cell phones is a camera. So much so, it runs in parallel to the thin-factor demand. There's not room enough for a better-camera-than-my-last-phone-had .... AND ... a thinner-than-my-last-phone ... therefore "Form Follows Function" is the factor here ... hence the shapes and design of the new phones.
And the design and form of the new flagship-phones give the best of both worlds in a package that requires different care and handling than the previous phones. That's my explanation as to why these phones may seem more fragile than expected ... but my explanation is why it's "mostly" users not adapting to the design they chose.
I will disagree that being first to market with a design that fit a demand .... does not "drive the market", rather, it only reinforces that's what the consumer prefers, , especially when other companies mimic or copy the design and it continues in that direction I'm not discounting Apple's genius, or your recognition of it ... only stating it doesn't "drive" a market that was heading in that direction since we left the bulky, elongated and Flip-Phones and when to flatter, exposed screen and keyboard phones long before Apple produced a phone.
Hope that better explains my perspective in a way that doesn't come across as an argument to you ... rather in defense of my position and opinion.