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Why do people complain about build quality if there going to use a case?

Is it just me or does it this annoy you to? when people are comparing phones and lets say for example the galaxy s4 to something like the HTC one. They would say the galaxy s4 is made out of plastic and the HTC one medal. They say the HTC ones build i hands down better. Now why does that matter if 4 out of 5 people with each phone will put a otter box case or something else on it.
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It could potentially impact the durability of the phone I suppose, but I agree, it's largely irrelevant. People will just take any reason they can find to try to prove that their phone of choice is the 'best'.

I got a Lumia 521 for $79 (total cost) which is about the worst in build quality. Got the best case I could find for it and it helped tremendously. So this can work for you also. Hide low build quality with a decent case!

Really, the only concern I have with build quality is how sturdy the phone is. I'm a clumsy guy and I'm prone to drop my phone a bit. I want to know then when I drop the phone, it will stay in one piece. Maybe even be resistant to scratches/dents. The last think I want is for the thing to shatter like brittle glass.
Other than that, a case will hide any shortcomings.

Sewrizer said:
i personally prefer a plastic device with removable barttery and sd card slot than a full metal body with these limitations. it would be best though if samsung replaced the plastic on the next S flagship with aluminum(something like htc sensation). however this would mean to return to square one and redesign everything, therefore making it more expensive. i believe that they don't want to risk their good sales and do something that may leave a scar on their reputation. in addition, i don't know of any samsumng device made of metal, so it would be a huge change for them.
we, as users, would have to take into account some other disadvantages of a metal body. i put an sgs3 in a metal locker and it lost almost all the signal, it even missed a few calls, it caused huge battery drain (when in low signal area devices lose batteruy faster) so the antennas will have to be placed accordingly. plus, scratches and marks are more visible on metal, you can't really put a plastic case on a metal device(in most cases it is really inestethic, imho. but it depends on the case), hard cases can affect connectivity and if dust or sand is caught between the phone and the case it will produce nasty marks on the phone.
so, practically, plastic devices are better. it's just the common opinion that they look and feel cheap. i look forward to reading further replies on this matter.
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The reason I love my s4 is the removable battery. if I know I'm going to need it I use my 7500 mAh battery if not I use my stock battery. I hate when people say its made of plastic. So then I show them my extended battery and then they become amazed LOL
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bcs the sucks ball n too judgemental mayb haha kidding its just their personal preferences n still some tend to use phones/tabs witht tab n they've enjoyed/used to using/holding devices with premium quality thats y they complain it feels like sth missing

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I'm always amazed at how expensive some cases are - £30 for a case is really unreasonable imo. My I9000 was protected really well in a £3 case I bought off eBay!

I think it does not matter, but my Sony Xperia P is constructed of metal, and in my opinion it feels better than plastic:fingers-crossed:

How is it possible to be so much expensive! I pay only US$20 for mine. I use switcheasy colours. nice to touch, but only last 1 year and then cuts appeared in case. had to get new 1. sorry for any bad english.
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Simply because casing adds bulk to the device. If the build is great, there is no need to use any case at all because we are assured that it is fine with heavy duty usage ang rough environment.

It's usually Apple fans that claim Android phones have poor build quality...and then put their delicate iPhones in a protective case.
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Well Iphones are meant to have 'superior build quality' but I think that is debatable
Brand new they look amazing, with a bit of use, not so much. I suppose it all depends on the care taken by the user, but my personal experience with Iphones holding their looks isn't great. My Iphone 4 had numerous scratch marks on the glass. My Iphone 5 was covered with marks on the bezel.
Whilst my samsung phones didn't look as premium, they didn't mark up like the Iphones.
If build quality is based purely on durability, I don't know if a phone being metal makes a difference. If it's based purely on looks, perhaps, but then as I mentioned, the looks of a metal phone don't necessarily hold up.
Also on the subject of 'build quality'. I am definitely in the minority it seems, but I don't like the look of the silver HTC one. Sure it's aluminium, but for whatever reason I just don't think it looks that good? Just thought I would put it out there because everyone goes on and out about how good the HTC one looks

because people in their nature don't like to waste their hard earned $ on something made of chew-able toy plastics, especially far an expensive flagship phones
its like questioning or undermining everything fine in life, why do u pay for that expensive leather or well designed wallet, its just a wallet after all
or why do you pay good money for a good quality car with fancy dashboard, a crash is a crash after all
i am sorry but this makes no sense
justifying lack of taste or quality by the "case" argument is just like hiding your head in the sand
there real question is: Why is the richest Android builder of them all so dead cheap with it's loyal customers?
and the answer is: LEMONS
Alternative answer: it's all wasted on marketing
Stop justifying lemons, currently Samsung is sitting at the rock bottom when it comes to design or quality, you name it, Apple, Sony, HTC, LG, Nokia even Huwai are all building better than your (un)precious Samsung

Personally I couldn't care less what the phone is made of, because at the end of the day the phone is a productivity tool. What matters is what I can *do* with the phone, not what it looks like or feels like. I could understand if metal was more durable than plastic, but that is debatable. My phone is plastic and it's in the same shape as the day I bought it. My iPod touch is metal and has tons of scratches on the back. I've treated them the same.
The problem with phones made of metal is that they typically have a non-removable battery and many of them don't even have a microSD slot! When it comes down to form vs. function, I'm going to choose function every time.

It's about material choice and balance for the money spent.
Plastic is good, like the Nexus 5 but glossy plastic is bad as it is fingerprint magnet and fugly (S4). Aluminium also dents, Check out all the 6 months after of HTC One and iPhone.
Also price matters too, you don't wanna spend a lot of money just to get a cheap looking and feeling plastic.
And most people use cases but it's always good to have a great built quality inside.
A sound phone dwells within a sound built quality, and a sound case.
Sent from my blazing fast Nexus 4

Build quality and using a case are 2 different issues, using a case doesn't mask the build quality....like poor headphone sockets that go wrong, or buttons that get stuck (hard to press).
Personally I always drop my phone - clumsy in nature! So have to have a case. Now i'm looking for one which has a battery built in to double my usage time for the Samsung S4. That chomps up battery like nobody's business. I am a heavy user to be fair. Just my 2 cents

Real wood cover for LG V10 from Toast

Pictured is the Chevron Inlay design from the Inlay Series in ebony wood, courtesy of Some Gadget Guy. Each one includes a set of inlays so you can go all one wood or switch it up to your liking. Lots of other options at toastmade.com.

LAURCORE said:
Pictured is the Chevron Inlay design from the Inlay Series in ebony wood, courtesy of That Gadget Guy. Each one includes a set of inlays so you can go all one wood or switch it up to your liking. Lots of other options at toastmade.com.
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Takes the term "Getting Wood" to a new level... LoL Looks really cool though...

damn that looks nice. How much did it set you back/

PUERTO_RUK said:
damn that looks nice. How much did it set you back/
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This one actually belongs to Juan (Some Gadget Guy), but the V10 cover starts at $34 which includes side wraps. If you see a custom cover that you fancy, you can actually get it for $44 - $49 since it's already laid out. Just place a custom cover order and upload the image of it. You can switch the woods up, too. Once received, you'll get a refund on the difference.

Here's my custom S7: https://imgur.com/a/aIbe5

The chevrons don't do it for me but that wood is nice

Does it come with anything in terms of warranty in case you drop it? I've always found with previous devices, that those "custom wood" backs crack if you drop the device even a single time.

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Pictured is the Chevron Inlay design from the Inlay Series in ebony wood, courtesy of Some Gadget Guy. Each one includes a set of inlays so you can go all one wood or switch it up to your liking. Lots of other options at toastmade.com.
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amazing how thin it looks for a real wood case. How would you say the durability/build quality is? Survive a fall?

banananutmuffin said:
amazing how thin it looks for a real wood case. How would you say the durability/build quality is? Survive a fall?
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They're crafted from furniture grade hardwoods, so it will protect the device in any fall. Honestly it seems sketchy prior to applying being so thin, but once it's Toasted, the device acts as the backbone and the wood is uncrackable. If it's a hard enough impact, you may scratch / ding the wood, but the device beneath will remain unscathed.
One of my colleagues was actually running to catch the bus when she tripped and fell, Toasted phone in-hand (see attached image). She used it to break her fall and actually slid on it, hence the wood being chewed up by the pavement. Her phone was sporting side wraps prior to the photo, but when it was all removed, the phone looked exactly as it did prior to Toasting. Later that day, I **** you not, she dropped the naked phone and shattered the screen.

sanjsrik said:
Does it come with anything in terms of warranty in case you drop it? I've always found with previous devices, that those "custom wood" backs crack if you drop the device even a single time.
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banananutmuffin said:
amazing how thin it looks for a real wood case. How would you say the durability/build quality is? Survive a fall?
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Sorry, sanjsrik; I failed to tag you in that last reply to banananutmuffin (please see response).
We do not have a warranty against drops, but Toast can take a hit. We do have a warranty against manufacturing defects which are a rare occurrence (our Quality Control team actually signs off on the order slip at every step of the order process).
Toast is like a skin / case hybrid... a "skase" if you will. It's applied like a skin, but being wood veneer, it provides much more grip and protection. It's in no way intended to be an ultra protective case; we actually created it because we wanted something natural that didn't bulk up the device. Cases are prone to getting debris inside which can scratch the device, and you frequently have to remove it to use accessories (cables, memory card, battery sway, dock, etc). The plastic in which it snaps together can also wear and frequently fails over time. There's actually a lot that goes into the design process, and we always use the actual device which is why we never release a cover before the device is out. Different materials warrant different adhesives, and the laser scored lines have to be dialed in to perfection.
Anyways, sorry for going off... I'm really passionate about our covers if you couldn't tell. If anything else comes to mind, just let me know!

whitehawk66 said:
The chevrons don't do it for me but that wood is nice
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I can dig the chevron, but not really a fan of the other two from the inlay series. Check out our IG which features a bunch of our custom work: https://www.instagram.com/toastmade/

LAURCORE said:
Sorry, sanjsrik; I failed to tag you in that last reply to banananutmuffin (please see response).
We do not have a warranty against drops, but Toast can take a hit. We do have a warranty against manufacturing defects which are a rare occurrence (our Quality Control team actually signs off on the order slip at every step of the order process).
Toast is like a skin / case hybrid... a "skase" if you will. It's applied like a skin, but being wood veneer, it provides much more grip and protection. It's in no way intended to be an ultra protective case; we actually created it because we wanted something natural that didn't bulk up the device. Cases are prone to getting debris inside which can scratch the device, and you frequently have to remove it to use accessories (cables, memory card, battery sway, dock, etc). The plastic in which it snaps together can also wear and frequently fails over time. There's actually a lot that goes into the design process, and we always use the actual device which is why we never release a cover before the device is out. Different materials warrant different adhesives, and the laser scored lines have to be dialed in to perfection.
Anyways, sorry for going off... I'm really passionate about our covers if you couldn't tell. If anything else comes to mind, just let me know!
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So, essentially what you're saying is you have drop-test results you can share to back up your claims? You cannot say "it doesn't have a warranty against drops" and in the same sentence state, "but Toast can take a hit". Back up your marketing hype with real-world results. Please post them, because otherwise all of your claims are nothing more than baseless and marketing hype despite how "really passionate" you get about your covers. Skase, cute name. Does it mean anything more than you don't really stand behind your product except to say it's "safe"?
From my reading you're not much more than a skin with a veneer. You shouldn't claim "it can take a hit" with no backup to that fact. It's misleading hiding in marketing speak.

sanjsrik said:
So, essentially what you're saying is you have drop-test results you can share to back up your claims? You cannot say "it doesn't have a warranty against drops" and in the same sentence state, "but Toast can take a hit". Back up your marketing hype with real-world results. Please post them, because otherwise all of your claims are nothing more than baseless and marketing hype despite how "really passionate" you get about your covers. Skase, cute name. Does it mean anything more than you don't really stand behind your product except to say it's "safe"?
From my reading you're not much more than a skin with a veneer. You shouldn't claim "it can take a hit" with no backup to that fact. It's misleading hiding in marketing speak.
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We've been around for over 4 years so there are tons of reviews out there to back this up. Again, it's not intended to be an ultra protective case, but it will protect the phone in just about any kind of drop. Every cover is treated with 3 coats of a hand rubbed finish to protect against the elements, but if you beat the **** out of it, the wood will likely begin to chip.
I was under the impression that you were asking if we warranty our covers... as in if you damage it, will we send a replacement cover. I don't know of a case company that will cover your phone under their warranty.

LAURCORE said:
We've been around for over 4 years so there are tons of reviews out there to back this up. Again, it's not intended to be an ultra protective case, but it will protect the phone in just about any kind of drop. Every cover is treated with 3 coats of a hand rubbed finish to protect against the elements, but if you beat the **** out of it, the wood will likely begin to chip.
I was under the impression that you were asking if we warranty our covers... as in if you damage it, will we send a replacement cover. I don't know of a case company that will cover your phone under their warranty.
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This will be my last response. What I understand is you keep making marketing-speak claims about your cases but can't back any of them up anything more than "there are tons of reviews out there". You need to not talk out of both sides of your marketing mouth when you talk about your veneers.
Essentially you're selling veneers. Not cases. They're mounted on plastic backing with a veneer. I don't know how that can offer any protection against any kind of drops. It's no wonder you can't offer any kind of reassurances.
No, not talking about beating the **** of a case. I am talking about putting your money where your claims are.
Good luck with the (marketing) veneer.

sanjsrik said:
So, essentially what you're saying is you have drop-test results you can share to back up your claims? You cannot say "it doesn't have a warranty against drops" and in the same sentence state, "but Toast can take a hit". Back up your marketing hype with real-world results. Please post them, because otherwise all of your claims are nothing more than baseless and marketing hype despite how "really passionate" you get about your covers. Skase, cute name. Does it mean anything more than you don't really stand behind your product except to say it's "safe"?
From my reading you're not much more than a skin with a veneer. You shouldn't claim "it can take a hit" with no backup to that fact. It's misleading hiding in marketing speak.
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sanjsrik said:
This will be my last response. What I understand is you keep making marketing-speak claims about your cases but can't back any of them up anything more than "there are tons of reviews out there". You need to not talk out of both sides of your marketing mouth when you talk about your veneers.
Essentially you're selling veneers. Not cases. They're mounted on plastic backing with a veneer. I don't know how that can offer any protection against any kind of drops. It's no wonder you can't offer any kind of reassurances.
No, not talking about beating the **** of a case. I am talking about putting your money where your claims are.
Good luck with the (marketing) veneer.
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We've never once called it a case, and we make it very clear that it's wood veneer on our site: http://www.toastmade.com/faqs/ I was just stating that it offers more protection than a skin and will not crack, as you initially stated you've experienced with others. I'm not about to go digging up reviews for you. Even XDA wrote one on the custom covers we made them, and they're clearly fans: https://twitter.com/xdadevelopers/status/721547732872228864
This is also on our home page... clearly not a case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLNmhtrVbDE

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Wind your neck back in.
It looks like a great product and the guys who make it are responding to customers. How many other manufacturers do that? (rhetorical question, don't answer)
I'm tempted to buy one.

It is really nice. Thank you so much for sharing.

Cool.But if there is some other design.I want some more bright for my honey V10.

I used this cover for almost 2 weeks now. I love it. I love how it feels in the hands. It can take few drops and actually protect the phone. It is not only for show.
I just have 2 complaints:
1 - The IR blaster is not working with the top cover. While it is cut nicely around the IR port, it seems the blaster needs more room to send out the signal to the TV.
2 - The corners on the stainless steel sides fall off after a week. The design was perfect to cover all sides of the phone but those tiny triangles couldn’t stick after few days of putting the phone in my pocket and removing from my pocket over and over again.

anyone know where can I get just the camera ring cover?

Building a Frankencase: Mk1. (Leather Folio wallet case with rugged-mount insert)

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This post will likely end up long and meandering so here are some pictures to help you decide if you are interested in reading on.
Gallery: https://postimg.cc/gallery/3jjlabcpm/
Those that have come across my waffle in this forum or elsewhere before will know that I was (and am) a total convert to ruggedized handsets. I work as a forester, as well as being a keen mountain biker, motorbike rider, kayaker and alcoholic.
To those ends, the S7 Active was the best device I've ever owned by a huge margin. The things that it survived with zero added protection beyond a glass screen protector were out of this world. It is still in daily use in my family. The battery has seen better days but overall the physical condition and functionality of the phone are near perfect.
Why on earth would I trade that device for one constructed almost entirely from glass? Well, I'm not sure. I still have massive reservations about the decision but at the end of the day: no mainstream manufacturer is currently producing a top-tier ruggedized device, and I wanted an unlocked bootloader and glorious custom roms back in my life which ruled out a couple of slightly older options.
I almost went with the AGM X3 but the lack of OIS in the camera, and the unknown quality of manufacture made the now obscene price tag just a little bit too much of a gamble.
Anyway: once the Note 9 arrived I realised just how fragile this thing was. I was filled with regret to the point that I actually considered just putting it on ebay; so sure was I that it would be smashed to pieces in a matter of days.
After installing Dr Ketan's rom, I changed my tune. I committed myself to finding a functional protection solution that would work for me without interrupting wireless charging and without turning it into a brick (it is heavy enough as it comes!).
My office is presently littered with poor purchase decisions; cases that promised the world and delivered a ham sandwich.
I also struggled because there was only 1 case that would match up with the relatively expensive handlebar mounts I already have on all my gear, but that case did not quite meet my requirements on a few fronts.
I tried to find the largest genuine leather wallet case that I could find, with initial plans to simply swap cases to my quadlock case when I wanted to go out for a ride. Unfortunately, I found that the quad lock case was so god damn well-constructed that the mere act of inserting and removing the phone felt like I was eventually going to do some damage. This is not your everyday sleeve case! it is constructed from some sort of hybrid, rubberised material with a massive amount of retained stiffness. It is absolutely tough as nails and has very little flex once the phone is inserted....it is an absolute nightmare to remove once it is on there, which is fantastic to give you a bit of peace of mind once you hit 200km/h!
It also has a little bit of screen protection due to the large protrusions top and bottom which mean that the screen does not contact the surface you lay it on face down. Still, no face protection.
I have no wish to join the legion of people walking around with a cracked screen, and the curved screens that samsung insist on using are well prone to easy breakage...I needed more coverage!
I ordered a hand made 2-part, magnetic, genuine leather BEMFEY wallet case from Turkey. It was not cheap, but the workmanship on the wallet portion is top notch. It also fits cash without having to fold notes, holds 4 cards and will absolutely outlast the device it was built for.
Unfortunately, the leather sleeve portion was an absolute piece of junk: brown epoxy gack everywhere, screen sat flush with absolutely zero protection, thin, no button cutouts: just overall a terrible idea if you had any plans of protecting your investment. Probably ok for desk workers.
Long story short: I did what any good forester would do and started thinking outside the box. Attached a thin iron plate to the rear of my quad lock case with epoxy, and am now using this as an insert into the BEMFEY wallet case. Results so far are impressive.
The magnets in the bemfey case are strong as hell, and though I will probably add another tiny iron plate on the top side I have never once come close to the phone coming away from the case accidentally. Even if it did, the Quad lock case is tough as hell and I have a bit of faith in it on it's own.
Together though, I doubt anyone else has got this level of functionality or protection on their Note 9. I've dropped it numerous times already: in the bush, on a plane, onto a tiled floor. Zero problem.
When it's time to ride, I peel the phone out of the wallet, securely lock it to my bars and pop the wallet it my pocket. Winning on all fronts.
It cost me a pretty penny to get there but I think I'm keeping this setup! In the grand scheme of things, it is worth investing 10% of your phone cost to make sure that it doesn't die an early death. If anyone wants to replicate, you can find quadlock on google and BEMFEY can be tracked down on their Etsy store. They will custom make to order including laser engraving if that is your thing.

Hey how good are the Quad Lock cases? Why I’m asking I’m fairly active, and i don’t want my Note 9 falling off my arm! I’m interested the arm band i been waiting for Supcase as they had a awesome Armband case for the S8+!
On that the band would feed behind the case it had a slit cut out so no matter what one would do jump run mountain biking etc. no way is the S8+ falling out! The supcase come in 2 parts soft tpu rubber and hard plastic the plastic as a lip, so when you put in the phone the tpu rubber would wrap around the hard plastic so it locks the phone in
i have been looking at other armbands, but they got a lock system and they kind of suck! i was planning on gluing the lock into the armband this is a supcase one Ive seen , but now i just saw your post and just found out about Quad lock! Could you please let me know, how reliable the lock is or would I need to glue it locked??? Thanks

As stated above, their build quality is epic.
I can't guarantee anything on the armband as I don't use one but it appears to have the exact same mounting hardware as the motorbike mount including the release switch. I can tell you right now, there is no way in hell it will come off if the hardware is the same.
I have crashed my motorbike offroad at speed, bruising myself up fairly impressively and this thing didn't go anywhere.
My gf is getting into running again and I plan to get her one of the quadlock armbands soon. You pay a bit, but you can keep the mount parts for your next phone. Even if you buy something exotic, you can just grab the universal mount or pry it off your old one and epoxy it on to a case.

Accessories Let's talk screen guards?

Heyy guys i wanted to know if you're using any screen guards on the device
Recently i got one and it was the worst screen guard I've ever used, everything seemed blurry and dull for no reason
Sadly I had removed the plastic cover that comes by default for the device and it's not in the best state rn and i had to remove the screen guard too since it made looking at smalll text almost impossible
I really want my screen to be crisp and vibrant
i would greatly appreciate if someone could drop an Amazon link to buy a good screen guard for the device, I'm currently with no protection on the device so i urgently need to get one
edit: gonna attach the one i got, please don't buy this one

I use Gorilla IQ Sheild, it's an easy wet apply, self healing, inexpensive and lasts about 6 months... if it's available for your model.
The case is the primary display protection; it should have slightly raised guards around the display to help to protect it from face plants on level surfaces.

blackhawk said:
I use Gorilla IQ Sheild, it's an easy wet apply, self healing, inexpensive and lasts about 6 months... if it's available for your model.
The case is the primary display protection; it should have slightly raised guards around the display to help to protect it from face plants on level surfaces.
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Thanks I'll check, sadly there's not a variety of choices available as of yet since the device is still kind of new
also i mainly get a screen cover for fingerprint/scratch protections i probably drop my phone once or twice in its entire life span

BR4UTAL said:
Thanks I'll check, sadly there's not a variety of choices available as of yet since the device is still kind of new
also i mainly get a screen cover for fingerprint/scratch protections i probably drop my phone once or twice in its entire life span
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Yeah, availability can be a problem. Generally the wet apply hydrogel screen protectors are the easiest to apply.
A good case is highly recommended to prevent high G loading from causing internal damage when dropped and the potential data loss from it.
Murphy's law...

Since we are on the topic of cases, he warned that if you go with an armor cover especially the one with a ring on it will increase the phone's weight. Secondly if you go with the xundd case you should first get a back poly so dust will not stick to and ruin the beautiful back glass because on the xundd I found dust gathering between it and the device within minutes of putting it on.

KHSH01 said:
Since we are on the topic of cases, he warned that if you go with an armor cover especially the one with a ring on it will increase the phone's weight. Secondly if you go with the xundd case you should first get a back poly so dust will not stick to and ruin the beautiful back glass because on the xundd I found dust gathering between it and the device within minutes of putting it on.
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Yeah grit can mar the phone if it gets in the case. The Zizo Bolt series in my favorite but they make no cases for these phones unfortunately.
Case selection for this phone is limited

blackhawk said:
Yeah grit can mar the phone if it gets in the case. The Zizo Bolt series in my favorite but they make no cases for these phones unfortunately.
Case selection for this phone is limited
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It did just come out.

blackhawk said:
Yeah, availability can be a problem. Generally the wet apply hydrogel screen protectors are the easiest to apply.
A good case is highly recommended to prevent high G loading from causing internal damage when dropped and the potential data loss from it.
Murphy's law...
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Yeah I got a strong case which is also half transparent so it's great just that it made the device more heavy

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It did just come out.
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Zizo hasn't supported this line in the past I don't think. I use them on my N10+'s and they do well.
Samsung's such a mess now I won't even touch their newer phones though.
So I keep an eye on what's going on, might have to play the field in 2-3 years... if Samsung keeps pushing junk iPhone like flagships

blackhawk said:
Zizo hasn't supported this line in the past I don't think. I use them on my N10+'s and they do well.
Samsung's such a mess now I won't even touch their newer phones though.
So I keep an eye on what's going on, might have to play the field in 2-3 years... if Samsung keeps pushing junk iPhone like flagships
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yep sadly zizo most likely won't support this series of devices, also it feels like Samsung is just straight up copying iOS at this point, they are trying to kill 3rd party development and the amount of actually new features we are getting is high but they are mostly useless features which not a lot of people will use

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yep sadly zizo most likely won't support this series of devices, also it feels like Samsung is just straight up copying iOS at this point, they are trying to kill 3rd party development and the amount of actually new features we are getting is high but they are mostly useless features which not a lot of people will use
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Yeap. A litany of compounded fails since the Note 10+. No expandable memory and almost everything new tacked is power hungry.
Even today the N10+ is sublime in form factor, functionality and reliability. Sadly Samsung started losing it after that. Idiots.
Hopefully other manufacturers will pickup the lost Samsung customers with actual innovation, quality and needed features.
If you can't rock it, somebody will...

blackhawk said:
Yeap. A litany of compounded fails since the Note 10+. No expandable memory and almost everything new tacked is power hungry.
Even today the N10+ is sublime in form factor, functionality and reliability. Sadly Samsung started losing it after that. Idiots.
Hopefully other manufacturers will pickup the lost Samsung customers with actual innovation, quality and needed features.
If you can't rock it, somebody will...
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Hopefully yeah, Android device manufacturers are evolving just backwards
like honestly the stupid stuff like "we stopped including chargers cuz environment"
last time I checked even if u stop including a charger in box people gonna get one somehow, that's another plastic box, don't see how that's environment friendly.
Do you remember the days when unboxing a phone was a mystery like what would we get inside the box except the phone, screen protector, hard back cover, earphones, stickers etc

BR4UTAL said:
Hopefully yeah, Android device manufacturers are evolving just backwards
like honestly the stupid stuff like "we stopped including chargers cuz environment"
last time I checked even if u stop including a charger in box people gonna get one somehow, that's another plastic box, don't see how that's environment friendly.
Do you remember the days when unboxing a phone was a mystery like what would we get inside the box except the phone, screen protector, hard back cover, earphones, stickers etc
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Anything to suck another dime out of the customer on a $1+G phone...
I got a new N10+ N975U1 back around October, it came with earphones, a 25w brick/cable and lots of hours of trouble free use in store.
That's when Samsung made quality Notes... now they don't even know their own name.
You know what Mohammed Ali did when Sonny had memory problems...

This is why I like xiaomi hardware. At least on their mid range stuff they still make proper usable phones with a headphone jack and expandable storage.

Accessories Anyone find a good finger strap that stays on?

I've been on the hunt for a stick-on finger strap for my S22 Ultra. Having insurance, and the phone having invictus glass, I really see no reason for a case. There used to be a company that made a great one called Flozu, but I can no longer find them. Does anyone else feel as I do that covering this phone with a case is undesirable? I refuse to use one of those pop-up things as they are ugly and rather bulky. Any referrals are appreciated!

With no case it will likely get damaged or destroyed. It's a very heavy corner hitting phone that also likes to face plant.
Try B&H Photo...

That's what insurance is for....

Yeah, but what about the total inconvenience of HAVING to rely on insurance. Once the phone is damaged, it’s a royal pain getting it repaired or replaced, then restoring everything. You can get a light case providing minimal protection for less than twenty dollars!

I don't find it to be that much of a pain - I've done it before. I don't use the carrier insurance (which is a rip-off IMO). I have thin cases, but I prefer the phones beauty not be covered up. I've used the stick-on finger strap on phones in the past and it's always been great - I just can't find the one that I've used in the past.
Thanks!!

ShermCraig said:
That's what insurance is for....
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Insurance doesn't replace lost time or data. It may also fail at a critical or very inconvenient moment.
Beyond that its slovenly to decide to doom an expensive device to destruction due to vanity.
This 3 yo N10+ has been dropped over a dozen times onto concrete in its Bolt case. It remains spotless and running like a bat out of hell. The case actually makes it easier to hold and use. It also helps prevent accidental touches. The case is also the primary protection against face plant drops. That Victus glass isn't tough enough...
Self insured, everything up front with reduced overall cost. The only phone I never cased was a ruggedized one because it wasn't needed. 12 years latter it still works.
A bigger problem with cases is finding a good one. With mainstream phones like the Samsung flagships one generally has a large selection. On makes/models manufactured in smaller volumes the incentive to punch out cases in decreased and the case availability and selection suffers.
The Zizo 2 piece polycarbonate clamshell design is one of the slimmest and most rugged designs with no fasteners to break.
The S22U will be damaged without a case... it's destiny.

blackhawk said:
Insurance doesn't replace lost time or data. It may also fail at a critical or very inconvenient moment.
Beyond that its slovenly to decide to doom an expensive device to destruction due to vanity.
This 3 yo N10+ has been dropped over a dozen times onto concrete in its Bolt case. It remains spotless and running like a bat out of hell. The case actually makes it easier to hold and use. It also helps prevent accidental touches. The case is also the primary protection against face plant drops. That Victus glass isn't tough enough...
Self insured, everything up front with reduced overall cost. The only phone I never cased was a ruggedized one because it wasn't needed. 12 years latter it still works.
A bigger problem with cases is finding a good one. With mainstream phones like the Samsung flagships one generally has a large selection. On makes/models manufactured in smaller volumes the incentive to punch out cases in decreased and the case availability and selection suffers.
The Zizo 2 piece polycarbonate clamshell design is one of the slimmest and most rugged designs with no fasteners to break.
The S22U will be damaged without a case... it's destiny.
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Guess I've been lucky.

ShermCraig said:
I've been on the hunt for a stick-on finger strap for my S22 Ultra. Having insurance, and the phone having invictus glass, I really see no reason for a case. There used to be a company that made a great one called Flozu, but I can no longer find them. Does anyone else feel as I do that covering this phone with a case is undesirable? I refuse to use one of those pop-up things as they are ugly and rather bulky. Any referrals are appreciated!
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Something like this? I've never used a finger strap though. What insurance do you have? I'm thinking of switching to square. Samsung+ and US carriers use Asurion. Asurion used to be good, but it's customer service has become abysmal.
15 Pieces Phone Grip Strap Finger Loop for Cell Phone Case Phone Finger Holder Assorted Colors Silicone Stretch Phone Grip Stand for Most Mobile Phones and Tablets https://a.co/d/77YAE8T

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Guess I've been lucky.
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Lol, I rather be lucky than well protected.
I'll go for months with no mishaps. Then I'll do something stupid like miss my pocket or pickup the phone in low light forgetting it was charging only to have the cable pull it from my hand. Been ill the last week and did both. Fortunately my pride was the only thing injured.
The other thing to consider is your hands may be trustworthy but what if you hand it to someone who doesn't have a feel for the phone? Or the one person here who's dog tail wagged their phone onto the tile floor. I really like the way my N10+'s look caseless but it's just not practical for me. They are slippery fish. The Bolt case also comes with a tether.
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blackhawk said:
Lol, I rather be lucky than well protected.
I'll go for months with no mishaps. Then I'll do something stupid like miss my pocket or pickup the phone in low light forgetting it was charging only to have the cable pull it from my hand. Been ill the last week and did both. Fortunately my pride was the only thing injured.
The other thing to consider is your hands may be trustworthy but what if you hand it to someone who doesn't have a feel for the phone? Or the one person here who's dog tail wagged their phone onto the tile floor. I really like the way my N10+'s look caseless but it's just not practical for me. They are slippery fish.
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He's asking about finger straps. Nobody cares about why you have phone insurance.

This isn't a strap, but a popup, rotating ring that is factory mounterd on this case.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09N7BTKXQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

gernerttl said:
Something like this? I've never used a finger strap though. What insurance do you have? I'm thinking of switching to square. Samsung+ and US carriers use Asurion. Asurion used to be good, but it's customer service has become abysmal.
15 Pieces Phone Grip Strap Finger Loop for Cell Phone Case Phone Finger Holder Assorted Colors Silicone Stretch Phone Grip Stand for Most Mobile Phones and Tablets https://a.co/d/77YAE8T
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I use Upsie.

Here's what I decided on (for those that are interested).
LOVEHANDLE
Customize your smartphone with Lovehandle phone grips and accessories. Choose from swappable designs and colors that integrate functionality with your unique style.
www.amazon.com
It comes with an extra piece of adhesive that allows it to stick well to my phone. Only had it a couple days, but so far, so good!

ShermCraig said:
Here's what I decided on (for those that are interested).
LOVEHANDLE
Customize your smartphone with Lovehandle phone grips and accessories. Choose from swappable designs and colors that integrate functionality with your unique style.
www.amazon.com
It comes with an extra piece of adhesive that allows it to stick well to my phone. Only had it a couple days, but so far, so good!
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I know this is old but if you're looking for the flozu (as i was and ended up here) there is the same style on amazon. https://a.co/d/fQVbFAp

Thank you! I did see those but opted for the Lovehandle. The main difference in my estimation is the Lovehandle is a bit thicker, but I can still easily use wireless chargers. Thanks again!