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The True Core Power of the Sensation

I'm adding this just to address power of Sensations CPU and GPU. I have detailed info on what the GPU and CPU can do with no throttle controll outside of the sensation and tell me what you think (make sure you read all pages).
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anandtech.com/show/4243/dual-core-snapdragon-gpu-performance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks
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+1 for that!!

someone want to buy the qualcomm MDP for 1350€?

Url
http://anandtech.com/show/4243/dual...ormance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks
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So in laymen's terms that means our 1.2Ghz, which is similar, is blazzing fast...i'm guessing here as i am a noob
This article was from back in March....where's the follow-up with our 1.2Ghz test results/

A more updated test for the sensation keep in mind what he says about the screen, how it lowers the scores.
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anandtech.com/show/4416/hands-on-and-benchmarks-of-two-msm8x60-phones-htc-sensation-4g-and-htc-evo-3d
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4416/...sm8x60-phones-htc-sensation-4g-and-htc-evo-3d
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Here's an interesting tidbit from Anand Tech in their latest article (related to the TouchPad, but it can still apply here):
From a CPU standpoint, Apple has a performance advantage at the same clock speed, but Qualcomm runs its cores at a higher clock. NVIDIA claimed that the move to an out-of-order architecture in the A9 was good for a 20% increase in IPC. Qualcomm has a 20% clock speed advantage. In most situations I think it's safe to say that the A5 and the APQ8060 have equally performing CPUs.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4658/its-not-qualcomms-fault-dispelling-touchpad-myths/2

O.k. I May have gone too far with links but this is a complete test of the Sensation from body, hardware (GPU CPU), to software. It tells what every component is (like what speaker is used) and bar grafts comparisons and test.
Again sad :'( but not allowed to link yet.
anandtech.com/show/4471/htc-sensation-4g-review-a-sensational-smartphone/1
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mattshirazi said:
Again sad :'( but not allowed to link yet.
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In all these test you will note he explains the power loss due to the screen. I have been looking for the article I came across awhile back which some one who has worked with the core of GS 2 (mali), Tegra 2, and Sensation (Areno 8260) he shows and explains how the Sensation CPU and GPU is miles ahead of everything else. Then shows and explains in detail why it tests lower part of it is the throttle control. Like newer motors that are 8 cylinders and only use 4 or 6 when needed. The 8660 only uses what it needs to complete the task (not synced to one another or run as one). He also went on to explain that the bench mark is showing one chip while the other is playing with core systems. In reality you x2 the benchmark scores and your about right on the number. He also did the math and broke down exactly what is lost because of the screen and separately explains how capping the frame rate affects performance.
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Why don't put the link??? Click on "more" then "insert url" and voilà!
anandtech.com/show/4471/htc-sensation-4g-review-a-sensational-smartphone/1
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mattshirazi said:
In all these test you will note he explains the power loss due to the screen. I have been looking for the article I came across awhile back which some one who has worked with the core of GS 2 (mali), Tegra 2, and Sensation (Areno 8260) he shows and explains how the Sensation CPU and GPU is miles ahead of everything else. Then shows and explains in detail why it tests lower part of it is the throttle control. Like newer motors that are 8 cylinders and only use 4 or 6 when needed. The 8660 only uses what it needs to complete the task (not synced to one another or run as one). He also went on to explain that the bench mark is showing one chip while the other is playing with core systems. In reality you x2 the benchmark scores and your about right on the number. He also did the math and broke down exactly what is lost because of the screen and separately explains how capping the frame rate affects performance.
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I wouldn't say the 8x60 is miles ahead of any SoC. It is powerful, but every SoC has its own advantages/disadvantages. The primary disadvantage for the 8x60 is that it can't perform out of order instructions which is why any A9 CPU will always be faster than a Scorpion CPU at the same clock speed (Exynos).

Here is true power of MALI 400 GPU in SGS2. Galaxy S2 has a framerate/Vsync cap at 59fps too. It would probably be 300fps with Vsync Off. Sensation is still a beast though
Egypt Standard: 58.3fps on SGS2 vs 38.4fps
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Samsung+GT-i9100+Galaxy+S2&benchmark=glpro20
Nenamark2 results
http://nena.se/nenamark/view?version=2
Synthetic benchmarks and Flash performance
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_sensation_vs_galaxy_sii_vs_optimus_2x-review-608p5.php

Guys, the OP can't post links yet as he doesn't have enough posts.

Im new to posting
I have not posted enough to post links till now, maybe I'm not posting right but here is a copy of earlier URLs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227424

what is meant by????

what is meant by dual channel and dual memory ???
please some one can explain it........
thanks

NOMIOMI said:
what is meant by dual channel and dual memory ???
please some one can explain it........
thanks
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http://www.lg.com/uk/mobile-phones/all-lg-phones/LG-android-mobile-phone-P920.jsp
You can watch the video about the Tri Dual tech here. Video tells everything in a perfect way.

if some app or game which required the 1GB Ram will run on Lg optimus 3D???

NOMIOMI said:
if some app or game which required the 1GB Ram will run on Lg optimus 3D???
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NO ! 512 MB means 2*256 MB

NOMIOMI said:
if some app or game which required the 1GB Ram will run on Lg optimus 3D???
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Optimus 3D will become history when apps would require such RAM IMHO. Probably would take a couple of years.

NOMIOMI said:
what is meant by dual channel and dual memory ???
please some one can explain it........
thanks
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Dual channel means that in a single instant, two memory operations (read or write) can be executed. This means that RAM is twice as fast... in theory, at least.
You can probably test that with your own PC: Connect a single module of RAM and check the speed reported by your BIOS (800Mhz, 1000Mhz...) and then try plugging in another module and that speed will double (to 1600Mhz, 2000Mhz...).
"Dual memory" means that there are 2 RAM modules present, which is a requirement for dual channel and makes me believe that nothing of this is more than just buzzwords randomly added to make a joke/pun with the dual core CPU and 3D screen/camera.

so now i sell my brand new lg optimus 3d and i will buy today evo 3d

NOMIOMI said:
so now i sell my brand new lg optimus 3d and i will buy today evo 3d
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You would probably regret that bro. If you are looking for 3D capabilities, O3D is the phone for you. If you dont give a penny to 3D capabilities, there are much better alternatives than EVO3D out there.
I would suggest Galaxy Nexus or Galaxy Note if you are into big screens.
It is all about expectations afterall.

if the games and application which required 1GB ram comes out soon then ??????
i love O3D it is gr8 phone i love 3D but the 512Ram ........................i want 1GB ram on the phone with 3D
and one thing is O3D can view every 3D movies like Resident Evil 3D????
if yes then would guide that how?

NOMIOMI said:
if the games and application which required 1GB ram comes out soon then ??????
i love O3D it is gr8 phone i love 3D but the 512Ram ........................i want 1GB ram on the phone with 3D
and one thing is O3D can view every 3D movies like Resident Evil 3D????
if yes then would guide that how?
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Believe me, that wont be soon. I would give it at least two years from now. And probably we all will replace our phones with something that has at least 4GB of ram until then. Our mobile phones will replace our PC's, we will only need keyboad/mouse/screen docks to plug our devices and use anywhere we want. Carry your work laptop in your pocket
And your memory can process twice faster, this means there is no need for the jobs to wait in line. 512 MB Dual channel ram theoretically can do everything that a 1 GB mono channel ram does. And it provides faster speeds.

exceleth said:
(...)Our mobile phones will replace our PC's(...)
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As a Gamer I have to highly disagree with you on that
A Smartphone will NEVER reach capacities a regular desktop PC can reach.

are u sure that 1GB ram required app and game will come out after 1 or 2 years?

DrGomez said:
As a Gamer I have to highly disagree with you on that
A Smartphone will NEVER reach capacities a regular desktop PC can reach.
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Then we agree to disagree
I am pretty sure, mobile computing technology will reach very high limits so there wont be any need for desktop PC's. Max 5 years I would say, but inevidable even later.
Probably in the times of Alexander Graham Bell, people would never imagine current telecommunication systems
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are u sure that 1GB ram required app and game will come out after 1 or 2 years?
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No, I am not, but it seems we wont need any more rams in a couple of years for our beloved O3d's. This is my humble opinion of course. But I would never go for an Evo 3D, its 3D is total crap.

DrGomez said:
As a Gamer I have to highly disagree with you on that
A Smartphone will NEVER reach capacities a regular desktop PC can reach.
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And 20 years ago no one thought amiga would ever be surpassed by pcs or even closer just a few years ago no one thought laptops would ever catch up to desktops but hey... look at us now...

NOMIOMI said:
are u sure that 1GB ram required app and game will come out after 1 or 2 years?
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Nobody will make such an app as long as the mass market phones are with less than 2 GB of RAM
Actually even the most heavyweight games of today use no more than 150 MB RAM.
To be honest the amount of RAM under Linux (Android) has only one real use in everyday life and that's how many apps you can have open at the same time before the system begins autokilling them.
With that in mind I can surery say that the O3D has more than enough RAM to make it at least through 2012. And as we all know the world will come to an end afterwards ))

NOMIOMI said:
are u sure that 1GB ram required app and game will come out after 1 or 2 years?
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I think there already is a game which requires more than 512mb, "plants vs zombies"

so its mean plant vs game will not work on lg optimus 3d???

plants vs zombies working on milestone with 256 ram
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70ily044qHc

jimakos29 said:
And 20 years ago no one thought amiga would ever be surpassed by pcs or even closer just a few years ago no one thought laptops would ever catch up to desktops but hey... look at us now...
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Laptops DONT catch up with desktops

adixtra said:
plants vs zombies working on milestone with 256 ram
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70ily044qHc
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plants vs zombies (without reduced textures)

Dual channel ram? What does this actually mean for us

Okay so our phones apparently have dual channel ram honestly. Idk what this means for us Ik we have 512mb does this mean 2 512mb sticks actually adding up to 1gig or does it mean 2 256mb sharing processes also what does it do please any answers would be nice I moved from the sensation and I like this phone it seems faster than it or the evo 3d
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Franzferdinan51 said:
Okay so our phones apparently have dual channel ram honestly. Idk what this means for us Ik we have 512mb does this mean 2 512mb sticks actually adding up to 1gig or does it mean 2 256mb sharing processes also what does it do please any answers would be nice I moved from the sensation and I like this phone it seems faster than it or the evo 3d
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Dual channel increases the max bandwidth of memory by using 2 channels instead of one, we probably have 2 256 mb chips, each one with his own channel.
It should help in bandwidth intensive scenarios (gaming for example)

thanks simple and exactly what I wanted
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V1P3R_BR4Z1L14N said:
Dual channel increases the max bandwidth of memory by using 2 channels instead of one, we probably have 2 256 mb chips, each one with his own channel.
It should help in bandwidth intensive scenarios (gaming for example)
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should help but in some cases is useless, it's better to have just one ram unit

alankstiyo said:
should help but in some cases is useless, it's better to have just one ram unit
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tell that to tegra 2
btw, how more and better can be worse?

alankstiyo said:
should help but in some cases is useless, it's better to have just one ram unit
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Do you have any link that supports that or is it from your personal experience?

botson71 said:
Do you have any link that supports that or is it from your personal experience?
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Im an ITT graduate for computer forensics. In this age part of my learning was to forensically examine all smartphones as well since they are just as capable in hiding data as computers are. Dual channel means 2 channels of memory as opposed to one to increase bandwidth just as mentioned above. Part of the reason computers are getting faster and gaming smoother is because of increased RAM channels and video cards increasing in GPU Cores and memory lanes or channels, this applies to phones. I actually have one , LG Thrill 4G or AKA Optimus 3D and tested it with a benchmark against some of the newest devices the Galaxy S3 and Galaxy Note 2 both with quad core processors and single channel RAM. My results are as follows:
Optimus 3D: 1856.4 Mbp/s
Galaxy S3: 821.66 Mbp/s
Note 2: 849.39 Mbp/s
As you can see the note and s3 have same memory architecture and practically tested the same the difference was probably in the amount of apps running in background. The LG tested more than double the speed and it only had about 270mb of free RAM at time of test as opposed to the 1300+ mb or 1.3gb or RAM free on note and galaxy. Faster RAM means more responsive gaming and smoother graphics. Now the processor of the thrill 4g is ages behind so its almost unfair to compare app launching and phone reboot to the other devices I have but even the processor difference the RAM tests speak for themselves. Devices in similar time as the Optimus wont even come close to gaming and video playback because the faster the memory the more you can process and more efficiently as well. I'm sure that there is a game or two out there that would run better on the LG than even some of today's phones its just a matter of searching and testing.
I am quite honestly puzzled at why that was the only phone with dual channel RAM, I would have expected today's quad core devices to utilize this architecture and result in much faster smoother running phones with astonishing overclocking results.

Thaaaaaaaaanks for this answer! !!
But I have a question .. in overclocking is that damage the CPU ??? and the same question about the tempreture?? and what the overclocking actually do ?? Why did not lg overclock thier phones ??
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fuzedbyhtc said:
Im an ITT graduate for computer forensics. In this age part of my learning was to forensically examine all smartphones as well since they are just as capable in hiding data as computers are. Dual channel means 2 channels of memory as opposed to one to increase bandwidth just as mentioned above. Part of the reason computers are getting faster and gaming smoother is because of increased RAM channels and video cards increasing in GPU Cores and memory lanes or channels, this applies to phones. I actually have one , LG Thrill 4G or AKA Optimus 3D and tested it with a benchmark against some of the newest devices the Galaxy S3 and Galaxy Note 2 both with quad core processors and single channel RAM. My results are as follows:
Optimus 3D: 1856.4 Mbp/s
Galaxy S3: 821.66 Mbp/s
Note 2: 849.39 Mbp/s
As you can see the note and s3 have same memory architecture and practically tested the same the difference was probably in the amount of apps running in background. The LG tested more than double the speed and it only had about 270mb of free RAM at time of test as opposed to the 1300+ mb or 1.3gb or RAM free on note and galaxy. Faster RAM means more responsive gaming and smoother graphics. Now the processor of the thrill 4g is ages behind so its almost unfair to compare app launching and phone reboot to the other devices I have but even the processor difference the RAM tests speak for themselves. Devices in similar time as the Optimus wont even come close to gaming and video playback because the faster the memory the more you can process and more efficiently as well. I'm sure that there is a game or two out there that would run better on the LG than even some of today's phones its just a matter of searching and testing.
I am quite honestly puzzled at why that was the only phone with dual channel RAM, I would have expected today's quad core devices to utilize this architecture and result in much faster smoother running phones with astonishing overclocking results.
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That is strange because the Exynos 4412 SoC used in the s3/note2 actually supports dual channel DDR2/DDR3 ram with up to 400Mhz clock rate
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stefankorun said:
That is strange because the Exynos 4412 SoC used in the s3/note2 actually supports dual channel DDR2/DDR3 ram with up to 400Mhz clock rate
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Agreed after further investigation I realized that the s3/note2 do utilize ddr2 ram...however repetitively running the ram benchmark the lg optimus 3d at minimum doubles the data throughput. ....strange...very strange...
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Why do androids need so much power?

I know there is a thread about this somewhere, but i wanted to ask this in our forum (rethorical question)
Why are companies making 4 core cpu and 2 gb ram phones, i mean with those spec are ridiculous, you could play 8 different android games at an instance or have 40 background apps
Our pico i a great example, it works on games flawlessly, i can't say what i can't do on it
I dont even know a 512mb ram <1ghz single core phone which would lag at multi tasking, web browsing, office, gaming 'n stuff

our pico got scorpion cpu which is good for multitasking
our device is best in its range

jonciukelis said:
I know there is a thread about this somewhere, but i wanted to ask this in our forum (rethorical question)
Why are companies making 4 core cpu and 2 gb ram phones, i mean with those spec are ridiculous, you could play 8 different android games at an instance or have 40 background apps
Our pico i a great example, it works on games flawlessly, i can't say what i can't do on it
I dont even know a 512mb ram <1ghz single core phone which would lag at multi tasking, web browsing, office, gaming 'n stuff
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Only problem for me are flash videos or high bandwith videos.. for example watching sports streams.. 500-1000 kbps is OK, but over 1000 lags too much.. 2000 kbps videos in Sopcast won't even run.
So I would like to have some faster CPU/more RAM, but I still like this phone so I am not considering buying a new one yet..

goran.croatia said:
Only problem for me are flash videos or high bandwith videos.. for example watching sports streams.. 500-1000 kbps is OK, but over 1000 lags too much.. 2000 kbps videos in Sopcast won't even run.
So I would like to have some faster CPU/more RAM, but I still like this phone so I am not considering buying a new one yet..
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Lijepo, jos jedan sunarodnjak!
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This is a lowend phone, u cant expect much.

galaxyfreak said:
Lijepo, jos jedan sunarodnjak!
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This is a lowend phone, u cant expect much.
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Zivio :fingers-crossed:
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I know, there is a reason why they make 2core CPU-s and I just pointed to one of the examples

I think prob is with android coding. You see wp8 you can't just have any lag with try as you might and ios and bb10 seem to run perfectly with their respective configuration. That is why I am sick of android and am going to buy a Nokia lumia 820 or iPhone 4.
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Completely agree wid u bro... the fastest phone of android is not as much smooth as a iPhone!
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512mb still enough for android today?

I want to buy a new phone, looking at some dualcore models with mali 400 graphics, but only 512mb ram.
Do you guys think 512mb ram will still do the job in ics/jb when i want to game a bit? Mostly clash of clans, temple run and subway surfers.
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I have a HTC sensation that have 1.2 Dualcore + 512Mb ram and it run that tipe of games with no problems.

JMMPRATES said:
I have a HTC sensation that have 1.2 Dualcore + 512Mb ram and it run that tipe of games with no problems.
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Also on Ice Cream Sandwich / Jelly Bean?
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yup, as long as u dont use it for hd gaming... for daily usage i think it is ok..

kohage said:
yup, as long as u dont use it for hd gaming... for daily usage i think it is ok..
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Okay,
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kohage said:
yup, as long as u dont use it for hd gaming... for daily usage i think it is ok..
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This is pretty much the best way to sum this up. If you're just looking for an everyday experience - it is enough.

Depending on what frequencies your carrier uses, check out the Blu Life Play. There are two models; one does 850/1900 MHz, the other I think does 850/2100 MHz for 3G. It has 4GB of internal memory, however it takes a 64GB without issue and supports install apps (and app data!!!!) to external memory (like Gingerbread phones and before used to do). It's also dual SIM and does DC-HSPA+ if your carrier supports it.
It runs (almost) stock Android 4.2 and it's only like $215 USD without contract.

The cheap Huawei Y300 is also equiped with only 512MB RAM.
It's running games pretty good with apps like whatsapp and swiftkey in the background.
Of course you can forget multitasking with many apps running ... or opening a lot of sites in the browser.

512 mb is okay for Jellybean, but it definitely depends on the use case. The games you mentioned run fine as long as the screen is not HD. I ran NEO GEO games and Ridge Racer 3 on PS1 emulator and they ran fine on 512 mb RAM + A7 dual core at 1.3 ghz with Mali 400 GPU but can't have many apps running on background or many tabs open in brower.

There are 2 threads devoted to questions about devices, please repost your question in one of these two threads: The what should I buy thread or The Device Suggestion Thread.
Thanks!