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HTC ICS Kernel & Drivers Sources

Dear All,
Are you as pissed off as I am by how HTC promised for open source and hasn't kept its promise?
I have asked their support line, on their ics blog and were in touch with HTC Officials personally. Never got an answer for that.
So here's an open letter to HTC that I am thinking.
What is the criteria to decide on which phones receive updates in what order, why some phones are given deadlines while others are "sometime later this year"
What happened to HTC's promise for open source? Why do you not release kernel and driver sources for ICS?
Why the unlocking is limited and will you provide a true unlock solution.
If there is enough attention, I would like to use social media to draw HTC's attention.
Who's with me?

Join the crew man! There are several people who are trying to contact HTC daily for these things. Also, a true unlock solution should be on your list!
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hceylan said:
Dear All,
Are you as pissed off as I am by how HTC promised for open source and hasn't kept its promise?
I have asked their support line, on their ics blog and were in touch with HTC Officials personally. Never got an answer for that.
So here's an open letter to HTC that I am thinking.
What is the criteria to decide on which phones receive updates in what order, why some phones are given deadlines while others are "sometime later this year"
What happened to HTC's promise for open source? Why do you not release kernel and driver sources for ICS?
If there is enough attention, I would like to use social media to draw HTC's attention.
Who's with me?
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Well for the most part the drivers are not theirs to offer as open source. They belong to another company that will never release the source for them. The kernel sources are posted normally with in a fair amount of time.
Alot of time the carriers (For US phones) have more control over the updates then the OEM. Take the Desire HD and the US version the Inspire. The Desire HD has gotten 2 updates, one for a sercurity issue and one for a Sense version update. While the Inspire got nothing.

Give this a read and feel free to post it or add to it and make HTC hear us!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK
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imheroldman said:
Join the crew man! There are several people who are trying to contact HTC daily for these things. Also, a true unlock solution should be on your list!
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I know that I am not the only one. But to draw a big attention we need to get together and today the answer for that is social media. AFAIK, there is no social media group currently to address the issue.
On the other hand, yep you are right, adding the true unlock issue.

zelendel said:
Well for the most part the drivers are not theirs to offer as open source. They belong to another company that will never release the source for them. The kernel sources are posted normally with in a fair amount of time.
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"Will never release the source code" is a bold statement. 25 years ago one wouldn't think an enterprise would ever release the source codes. But the times changed and the demand from the community got bigger so they were forced to and adopted a new way doing business.
This was a wave in Linux case, first the kernel was open source, now *almost* every driver is now open source, including companies like Intel.. An exception to that would be Nvidia. But with the nouveau project, sooner or later they will start to cooperate. As in Nvidia PC business most of the customers are non-Linux customers that is not yet an issue for them. On the other side, they are too under pressure on the mobile land with their tegra line.
Provided the above is correct, if there were an enough *united* community demand, first the OEMs / Carriers will be on the front line then they will turn to their hardware providers to opensource the drivers.
Correct me if I am wrong but a driver is merely a bridge between the kernel and the hardware, so I really do not get it the reason to keep it closed.
As for the kernel sources, I still do not see and 3.x.x source for devices other then Sensation and One line. ICS was released mid November. I am sure OEMs like HTC got their hands on it before that, so it is over 5 months they haven't released updates. I know that updates aren't produced overnight, yet 5+ months is quite disappointing. So I disagree with "fair amount of time" part.
zelendel said:
Alot of time the carriers (For US phones) have more control over the updates then the OEM. Take the Desire HD and the US version the Inspire. The Desire HD has gotten 2 updates, one for a sercurity issue and one for a Sense version update. While the Inspire got nothing.
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I don't see the point here. I see the sources for "Carrier's devices" on htcdev.com. So it is not a "being open issue". On the other hand, releasing updated sources and pushing updates to devices I think are not the same things.

imheroldman said:
Give this a read and feel free to post it or add to it and make HTC hear us!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK
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Great write up! But the main point I am trying to make a *united* move. So with all the respect, a blog shouldn't be the point to gather up. Having said that a text like your's would constitute the detail of the open letter I am envisioning...

Feel free to use it, the quote in the middle is from toastcfh, the rest is mine. I am fully behind what ever move there is to get HTC to really unlock their phones and give true open source codes. They are putting up a front to developers that they are friendly but the process is so hindered we have to rely on leaks and crazy s-off methods, and even with source you can no longer flash a kernel or boot image with our a pain in the neck. There are plenty of people who want these things and we do need to approach HTC as a community!
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Been spamming them on Twitter already for weeks. Bloody HTC, I hate them now
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imheroldman said:
There are plenty of people who want these things and we do need to approach HTC as a community!
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That's the spirit we need!
Now I am not %100 knowledgeable about XDA rules. Would it be OK to post a link to this thread to every HTC device Android forum?

Petition LG for ICS

Found this petition in the O2x Forums, might as well spread awareness.
Petition Link: http://www.change.org/petitions/lg-...s-speed-and-change-your-information-politic-2
Original Thread in The O2x Forums: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1789058
Edit: added link to petition
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LG doesnt care, Nvidia cares even less...
LG cant do anything without Nvidia's driver development anyway because Nvidia wont release any information on their hardware.... stop trying

JHaste said:
LG doesnt care, Nvidia cares even less...
LG cant do anything without Nvidia's driver development anyway because Nvidia wont release any information on their hardware.... stop trying
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Doesn't hurt to sign though
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Waste of time. LG cannot release an update without carrier permission on co-branded phones. Never going to happen on an EOL'd device.

Never hurts to try. A little bit of unity amongst people can go a long way.
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honestly the best bet for anyone getting phones to get updates through the life of the contract you sign would be filing a lawsuit on the bases of security updates not being released and the manufactures and carriers not fixing security flaws. But for that to happen it would be rather costly to go after multiple companies.

It's been done. No, it doesn't hurt to try.
I can no longer stomach the G2x.

Four more signatures to 1000...

G2XPerson said:
Four more signatures to 1000...
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Let's keep it going
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oops ....bumped up from 1000 to 1500 ???

Just signed, thanks.

Signed. Hoping more people will do the same and perhaps something will come of it.... not getting my hopes up, or holding my breath though :S
Pin it to Win it.

DONE!

Why are we trying to petition LG when we should be petitioning Nvidia to give us those drivers.

unknownz_1 said:
Why are we trying to petition LG when we should be petitioning Nvidia to give us those drivers.
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I dont know, im just the messenger. Why dont you make a petition for that?
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Bcuz nvidia is obligated to provide to lg not to community.
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signed with rage!

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Petition to Samsung about raising the CPU frequency

:thumbup: Hello friends, comrades, the owners of SAMSUNG GALAXY ACE 2 I8160! Our colleagues from Russia decided to send a petition to Samsung for our apparatus that Samsung would have raised the CPU frequency to 1000 MHz! I ask who cares subscribe need to vote!
Here is the link to the signature - http://www.change.org/ru/петиции/ко...мартфона-samsung-galaxy-ace-2-до-штатных-1ггц
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Samsung will surely not change the frequency. If they actually do it, then phones like s-advance and beam would not be bought as the ace 2 is much cheaper and offer good specs. As far as I think, the petition is useless.

loof13 said:
Samsung will surely not change the frequency. If they actually do it, then phones like s-advance and beam would not be bought as the ace 2 is much cheaper and offer good specs. As far as I think, the petition is useless.
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All the same, we hope people write, sign, and God forbid the planned work!!
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If we dont ask/want, no one will give us just like that... so for me is not pointless.
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@ killov1982
If you could write down this petition in English than I am sure that more people would sign it. English is not my mother language, neither Russian, but I know both (a bit). I assume that most of the people clicking on your link would think: "I do not understand a $h1t ... meh". Google Translate is an option, cause it wont allow you to sign petition using some browsers (just like using 4PDA thru Google Translate)
Regarding performance with U8500 at 1 Ghz... my wife have i9070 and I must say that it is not faster device at all. It does not feel more snappy and games are running the same as on Ace2. Of course there is +400 points in Antutu for i9070, but thats all. I9070 drains more battery at normal tasks with its 1GHz. In fact Ace2 and S Advanved are underpowered due low speed EMMC and RAM used and it is a fact. i8190 is much more fluid because it has better RAM/EMMC and I am not talking about size of it.
Instead of asking about raising clock ... we should ask for releasing complete JB sources for Ace 2.

dream guys, dream.. This make no sense.. It's impossible, there are many reason (Declaration of conformity in primis) that can make this request impossible..

Its better if you write it in formal English so that more people will support and samsung will be able to read it too. Trust me, samsung wont have time to translate it to English.

I don't think this will work. Petition to ST Ericsson for releasing the sources and informations about our SOC would make more sense...

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Maybe it's a good idea
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Petition is pointless. With the same thinking I can write a petition to my corner shop that I want 2 bottles of milk for the price of one, because it is better. I am 101% sure that it will not work.

fifo171 said:
I don't think this will work. Petition to ST Ericsson for releasing the sources and informations about our SOC would make more sense...
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ST Ericsson are officially dead. The company Is splited.

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Who's said this first? Please read news before follow someone, St Ericsson is not closed, it has only redimensioned..
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Odp: Petition to Samsung about raising the CPU frequency
Yeah, I can't understand this thing - they are cutting costs but they are not closing the whole company...
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Oh sorry then :d

Petition: Google Wallet on All Carriers

I saw this over on the on the S3 forums and so I decided to spread the word also. I, along with many others, are sick and tired of carriers taking control of our devices. We pay for it, it's ours. Anyways, here's the link:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/force-cellular-carriers-allow-us-install-google-wallet-and-use-feature-all-google-nfc-devices/ZdBQqZgH
Mods, I apologize in advanced if this perhaps belongs in the Themes and Apps section. I'm just trying to spread the word.
I've signed, have you?

signed.

Signed

Signed, and had this been posted in all the other forums? Note 2, xda general and such. There are a lot of signatures needed, and only in the next two weeks.
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kleeman7 said:
Signed, and had this been posted in all the other forums? Note 2, xda general and such. There are a lot of signatures needed, and only in the next two weeks.
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I have no idea. But there's no harm in spreading the word :good:
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Signed
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Just 99,698 more to go by 15 June...

Signed

MikeC4510 said:
I saw this over on the on the S3 forums and so I decided to spread the word also. I, along with many others, are sick and tired of carriers taking control of our devices. We pay for it, it's ours. Anyways, here's the link:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/force-cellular-carriers-allow-us-install-google-wallet-and-use-feature-all-google-nfc-devices/ZdBQqZgH
Mods, I apologize in advanced if this perhaps belongs in the Themes and Apps section. I'm just trying to spread the word.
I've signed, have you?
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I want this for Canadian carriers as well.

Would totally sign this if I didn't have to give the whitehouse all my info and create an account, I know they know everything anyway, but still. I'm definitely for this though.

Signed.

Would sign but don't wasn't to make an account
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Signed, but to be completely honest, WH.gov is a total joke (just like our commander in chief, but that's getting too political for this thread)
My point about it being a joke is that there are tons of great petitions on there, lots revolving around specific things I feel very strongly about, like this one in particular.... the issue is that about a month or two after you sign it, you'll get an "official response" from some WH official, and it will be in this exact format:
We disagree and agree on a lot of points...... You said X, we agree with X, we've always stood by X and here's a worthless link proving it (link), but we want to make sure that X doesn't ever lead to Y, which is why we believe in Y, Y is vastly different from X, although they are one in the same...... Thank you for your signature on this petition, it's reasons like this why we created this because we're always trying to worth together, even though there's no such thing as bipartisanship in politics anymore......
and I'm done with my rant for the night, but yes, great petition, unfortunately won't go anywhere because the site is a joke

KryptosXLayer2 said:
Signed, but to be completely honest, WH.gov is a total joke (just like our commander in chief, but that's getting too political for this thread)
My point about it being a joke is that there are tons of great petitions on there, lots revolving around specific things I feel very strongly about, like this one in particular.... the issue is that about a month or two after you sign it, you'll get an "official response" from some WH official, and it will be in this exact format:
We disagree and agree on a lot of points...... You said X, we agree with X, we've always stood by X and here's a worthless link proving it (link), but we want to make sure that X doesn't ever lead to Y, which is why we believe in Y, Y is vastly different from X, although they are one in the same...... Thank you for your signature on this petition, it's reasons like this why we created this because we're always trying to worth together, even though there's no such thing as bipartisanship in politics anymore......
and I'm done with my rant for the night, but yes, great petition, unfortunately won't go anywhere because the site is a joke
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I concur completely. But if we were to somehow achieve 250k signatures, it'd be a lot more known to people about this technology and monarchy that our carriers are. If it were to become a hot topic, the next step would be to get a senator to propose a bill/law or something. I know it's a long excursion, but it'd truly be awesome....
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I signed a while back. I don't expect anything, it's just the premise of it. It's like going to bob's Chevrolet to find the model you want doesn't come with the latest greatest bluetooth connection. Bob's Chevrolet has money invested in minidiscs, so when you buy a car from Bob you have to use minidiscs because bob says they're better.
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Signed kinda too little time though

Signed
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signatures against knox .. read .. & help us..

hello!
we all make a great community. many of whom will you be unhappy with Samsung's initiative to use the consequences KNOX we already know ..
if we want to be prisoners, we bought the iphone ...
so.. this is the idea:
SAMSUNG: Remove the Knox system. On recently in new Software Updates.
http://goo.gl/kbIAyj
link original: http://www.htcmania.com/showthread.php?t=690492

Won't happen the rreason is good why the use it. For safety
However it's not liked for developers
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Neahhhh.... We are too small for this big game is up to us to find a solution
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excellent idea; I will be joining the effort .
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+1 We have to share this petition and publish in different media, forums, blogs etc... By the way signing and moving wont stop some people to find a B plan or solution without the help of Samsung.
Im seriously thinking of changing my s4 to a nexus 5... If we wanted propietary software wed have bought a nice iphone

Hate to say this but this petition thing will never work. Sorry but spinky360 was right.
If you really wanted freedom from locked bootloaders and all that, buy a nexus. That's just how it is.
I wish you luck. You're gonna need it
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chickentuna said:
Hate to say this but this petition thing will never work. Sorry but spinky360 was right.
If you really wanted freedom from locked bootloaders and all that, buy a nexus. That's just how it is.
I wish you luck. You're gonna need it
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Would have bought Nexus if, 1) Samsung had been straight with its end users at the time of purchase and 2) seeing as Kitkat update to S4 will also region lock the device =(
I am now rocking an HTC one. I like it.

chickentuna said:
Hate to say this but this petition thing will never work. Sorry but spinky360 was right.
If you really wanted freedom from locked bootloaders and all that, buy a nexus. That's just how it is.
I wish you luck. You're gonna need it
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Well I don’t agree that we cannot make a change. If you read a book like The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference , you will come to see that even though Samsung spend around 4 billion $ for marketing , the final say is in the hand of the consumers . Currently if you look around the s4 forum, the note 3 forum, and other forums around of the web you will see that people are unsatisfied with what Samsung is doing, and they are advising people away from Samsung.
For one, I know that I can directly influence 50 of my friends and I made sure to contact each and every one of them about Samsung new policies and advised them against any future purchase of a Samsung device. I also contacted some blogs explaining the issues that we have with Samsung - I have yet to hear a word from them - so even though Samsung can pay its way around the web to silence some critiques , it cannot affect the social binding , and the negative social vibe generated around its products . So let’s wait and see if Samsung will stay arrogant and fall like blackberry, nokia , palm … and any other too big for consumer company did , or whether they are going to start making some changes .

63or63 said:
hello!
we all make a great community. many of whom will you be unhappy with Samsung's initiative to use the consequences KNOX we already know ..
if we want to be prisoners, we bought the iphone ...
so.. this is the idea:
SAMSUNG: Remove the Knox system. On recently in new Software Updates.
http://goo.gl/kbIAyj
link original: http://www.htcmania.com/showthread.php?t=690492
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Pointless. Millions of phones are sold and only a hand full of rooters.

chickentuna said:
Hate to say this but this petition thing will never work. Sorry but spinky360 was right.
If you really wanted freedom from locked bootloaders and all that, buy a nexus. That's just how it is.
I wish you luck. You're gonna need it
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man!
I buy a samsung galaxy from the first that came out! always done with what I please! ROM metia you were pre-beta just to try!
with this, we put a barrier samsung and limits us to do what they want!
where it stayed that have Android to be free?
you say you buy a Nexus if I do not go through what we are subjected samsung .. do not you think you're thinking the wrong way? you are undergoing something you limited without any claim?
rings at David vs. Goliath, but at least you will know that there are a handful of unhappy with this new security policy, which on one hand is very good, but on the other, baaaaaaad!
we know that many end users do not even know it's a ROM, let alone answer if you have rooteado or not .. but we are the damned geeks what we like tinkering with what we buy ..
that's the point. perhaps not even make this request out of the desk, but at least we did not stay silent.

For one, the English version of the petition is rather unreadable due to poor punctuation and grammatical errors.
But the real problem is that KNOX itself isn't the problem but how Samsung has decided to inform the companies that handle the warranty repairs. Their line is simply "if there are any 0x1 flags then no warranty". The KNOX flag itself should only mean one thing: that the device was tampered with and its security compromised (important information for corporate IT departments) but it should have no bearing to hardware repairs as these are two separate things.

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I think this "petition" threads should be closed and deleted on XDA ... it obviously never changed anything. I signed so many and it never helped (last one was "HTC One X S-Off petition"). I dont think Samsung nor HTC gives a **** about flasher and custom ROM users like us. They need us just for beta testing when they throw us some "leaks" (like a bone to a dog).